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Burton ‘cannot clarify’ what ‘core’ social welfare payments will be protected

The Government has made a commitment to not cut ‘core’ payments but the Minister was tight-lipped about what exactly those payments are.

Joan Burton speaking at the Department of Social Protection's Pre-Budget Forum earlier today.
Joan Burton speaking at the Department of Social Protection's Pre-Budget Forum earlier today.
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SOCIAL PROTECTION MINISTER Joan Burton heard presentations from 31 voluntary and community organisations worried about their funding in her department’s pre-budget forum today.

Speaking to reporters outside the event, Burton said the coalition is committed to maintaining “the basic core social welfare rates” but she refused to be drawn on what exactly those categories are.

“I cannot clarify anything until I sit around a big table with my colleagues in Cabinet and a collective agreement is taken,” she explained.

Burton said she had inherited the most challenging role of any Minister in trying to find savings, while still protecting the most vulnerable in society who were represented at the gathering today.

According to the Minister, her annual budget of €20.5 billion, which is 40 per cent of all government spending, is an “indication for support for social solidarity”.

Quizzed on her position on child benefit, Burton said she believes the traditional argument against means-testing – that it is costly and admin-heavy – “is a strong one”. “Personally, my own preference is to go through the taxation route but Revenue say that is difficult for them,” she added.

However, no decision will be made until an advisory committee reports back to Cabinet later this year.

Responding to this morning’s reports about child benefit being paid to people living abroad, Burton said her department were making “really strong progress” in the area. She said the spend had been “tightened enormously”, being brought down from €21 million to less than €13 million per year.

Among the 31 groups at today’s forum were the Society of St Vincent de Paul, the Disability Federation of Ireland, Social Justice Ireland and Older and Bolder. Each one urged no further cuts to their annual allocations.

Burton continued to emphasise the need for reform and getting people back to work, calling social welfare for the unemployed “a cushion”.

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Comments (74 Comments)

  • Sham 12/10/12 #

    Ludicrous position – how does a pledge to protect core social welfare rates have any meaning whatsoever when it had yet to be decided what the core payments are? The commitment is literally meaningless

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  • if she wants to save money…let her stop people claiming for their partners and kids when they living in other parts of the world…when people are on social welfare payments and leave ireland they can claim social for up to 13 weeks…to return home to their own countries…there are millions spend each year on these two things alone….

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  • I can’t wait to see Labour, turning green in the elections. Enda and Eamon will be removed as leaders by next year!

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  • siobeli 12/10/12 #

    The likes of ‘exceptional needs’ payments needed to be looked at…such as communion/ confirmation, €150 euro towards a buggy, considering the number of 2nd hand buggies being given away, €150 clothing allowance for a woman 5 months pregnant…the list goes on.
    Also rent allowance, why should the rent of an 18 year old be paid for the excuse of ‘me ma is wrecking me head’? Free travel passes….

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    • And what if their da was beating the crap out of them?
      It’s not like rent allowance actually covers all that much.. The maximum your rent is allowed to be is usually a good €100-300 below what the average rent is around Dublin, if you can find someone who will take it. And they don’t give you that amount, you pay a minimum of €30 per week toward it from your dole / disability.
      I think a lot of people misunderstand how that particular allowance works..

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    • siobeli 13/10/12 #

      @shanti om….that’s a minority that have to deal with that.
      I’m talking about the people that pull the piss out of rent allowance!!! It open to such abuse it’s beyond a joke, People who should get it, can’t get it!

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  • Core payments should not be touched, I could not imagine trying to survive on less than €200 a week. There are other payments that need to be seriously looked at. The paying of gas and electricity bills, allowances for communion and confirmation, money for cots, prams, car seats etc. It’s a bloody joke!

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    • Mick 12/10/12 #

      How about go look for a job?

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    • Simples if you have to prepare a child yourself for communion/confirmation and bring them to church every week instead of the schools doing it you’ll have a big drop in people doing it.

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    • John F 12/10/12 #

      Its absolute madness that people on dole get allowances for occasions such as communions and even back to school, everyone else in the country including those working whose wages would only amount to dole equalivant have to budget their money and ‘put aside’ , it promotes iresponsibility!

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    • Mick
      There are NO jobs !
      What planet are you on ?

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    • Well said mick.

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    • Mick 12/10/12 #

      Eileen, it really says a lot about people like you if you are telling us that there are no jobs out there. Have a bit if self respect. Have a look at monster..have a look at Irishjobs, people making statements like yours are no good for Ireland and make me sick…

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    • Mick 12/10/12 #

      Eileen, it really says a lot about people like you if you are telling us that there are no jobs out there. Have a bit of self respect. Have a look at monster..have a look at Irishjobs, people making statements like yours are no good for Ireland and make me sick…

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    • 350,000 unemployed , 1000 job losses per week,
      1000 emigrating per week .
      And as for making people sick ! You and your lot are doing that to this country ,in FACT
      it is because of the financial pressure that so many people are put under because of you and yours, people are committing suicide . Be proud Mick be very proud.

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    • Mick 12/10/12 #

      Eileen u lied…do ur best to get out of this one…are there jobs out there or not????

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    • Mick
      NO! There are not any decent Jobs out there for the 350,000 decent people .
      I do not tell lies either .
      But more to the point I do not hold public office ,and I was not the one who lied to the electorate.
      You carry on tho,fooling yourself an being deluded. People are suffering .You are obviously not !

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    • MIck
      I was using my sons FB page to reply to you !
      Apologies for any confusion …. :(

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    • Mick 12/10/12 #

      decent jobs??? Yes there are plenty…have a look at the recruitment agency’s… Eileen said that there are no jobs…I pointed out that there are, and that people like her making up bull on this site to get their points across make me sick…deal with facts,no bull..always the way to go…

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    • Back as myself again :)
      There are no decent full time jobs ! Seasonal jobs being announced .only recently .
      I would watch that blood pressure if I were you The Health system is in sh1te too.Unless you have private health cover ? .

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    • Mick 12/10/12 #

      One other thing Eileen, how am I putting pressure on people financially???

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    • Er, the heating / fuel allowance is only payable to those living alone or the elderly on state pension, because the cost of heating a flat when you are alone is impossible on SW.
      Same goes to line rental allowance – only goes to those with serious disabilities who rely on access to a phone, elderly get it too.

      There are a lot of allowances, yes. But there’s also a lot of restrictions on those allowances, they aren’t given to everyone. Try looking into getting them when you need them and you’ll find out its not all plain sailing. How anyone would choose to be on benefits for life is beyond me.

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    • Ah Mick ….
      Where are the jobs you keep talking about ?
      Go on tell us I enjoy a good fable .

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    • Mick 12/10/12 #

      Look at the recruitment sites Eileen…go on,have a look…and speak in facts…no bull

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    • for 350,000 people ? You are saying there are full time jobs there for 350,000 people ?
      Stop being ridiculous man . You are full of bull.

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    • John F 13/10/12 #

      Ah yes, no jobs… The favourite mantra of the long term unemployed! So is it a case of there are no jobs or no good jobs?? anyone who is chronically unemployed either has no viable skill or isn’t willing to travel for work, the social is too comfortable in this country.. if people were told tomorrow your dole will be cut off in 9months. from today they wouldn’t be long finding a new income! I work for a multi national and since the onset of the recession we’ve taken on about 50staff a year, 25% of these jobs go to non Irish because we can’t find enough people here to fill the positions! OpenNet in parkwest recently announced that they we’re looking overseas to fill positions because they can’t get the staff here. I know for a fact if I lost my job tomorrow I’d be working in 2weeks because I simply cannot afford not to have an income – be it bar work, retail, sales I’d even do cleaning to make sure I had an income, unemployment is simply not an option for me, the bills have to be paid!

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    • Eileen, I only have to walk 5 minutes from my home to find the first Staff Wanted sign in a window

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    • @Eileen. I follow a recruiter on twitter. he recenctly went to waterford to do interviews. 2 out 11 turned up. Yeah there is jobs but alot of people are more interesting to proving to the social welfare that they are job hunting to keep benifits.

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    • I was made redundent last December and have only recently started back working doing 3 days a week. I have over 300 job applications saved on my yahoo email account that I have applied to but I have less than 20 replies. Yes there are jobs out there but not enough.

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    • Gaius Gracchus
      Go for it so , How much does it pay and what are the hours , ?
      John F
      There are no words to answer you , your lack of empathy is shameful. You are indeed part of the divide and conquer brigade .

      Sluazcanal
      Maybe they emmigrated !

      I am not in the market for work . I have done my stint , I am retired . My children work and in their fields of expertise.
      The lack of EMPATHY displayed here is disgraceful and people here should think on how they would be if they lost their jobs because of this recession . Good luck to you all . I really hope you all remain as successful as you make out …

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    • @ Seamus Ryan
      I wish you the best of luck . Do not let anyone put you down . Talk is cheap on sites like this .
      Good night and take care .

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    • Mick 13/10/12 #

      Talk certainly is certainly cheap when u Eileen blatantly lie on the site… No bit of self respect what so ever.

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    • Time communion and confirmation was faded out all it is a days boozing for parents and a big show off

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    • Time communion and confirmation was fased out all it is a days boozing for parents and a big show off

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    • Time communion and confirmation was fased out all it is a days boozing for parents and a big show off

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    • What makes you think she hasn’t. There are, as I’m sure you’re aware, no end of jobs out there waiting to be taken up, indeed the country is awash with available work.
      How about you go get a life.

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  • Cannot…..will not…

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  • Burton misses the key point, issue isn’t the rates but the fact that many able bodied are allowed to claim all their lives. She needs to follow international best practice and have welfare rates proportional to salary and tapered over time

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  • The biggest issue is the Bondholder payments.

    Kenny will shill €3.5 billion to bondholders before 2012 ends – twice the social budget.

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  • ‘Core payments’ will be whatever they don’t cut so they can say they didn’t cut core payments! It’s all getting very Orwellian…

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  • mike 12/10/12 #

    I have to agree with Mick. If you cannot get work in whatever your skilled in, don’t sit at home on the dole whining there is no work. Get off your couch and retain / re-skill in an industry that is employing or will be in the near future. At present approx 10% of jobs currently being filled here are being filled from outside Ireland due to a lack of certain skills.

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    • MrKnow 12/10/12 #

      do you think that most people sit at home and whine about not getting a job that there skilled or comfortable doing? on mate. about 15% of people do, there the scrots and young wasters that do. and education and re skilling people is the answer but as always its never seen through! look at springboard, i have tried so many times to get in but they always pick people with skills and money over people on the dole! and the only reason they pick the one or two from the live register is so the springboard companies qualify for funding off the government. Point being, you stop whining about people the dole, most of them don’t want to be there. Instead point out the real issues with welfare programmes like people that are well off getting payments and people that get rent allowance for years even thought there working partners live with them and sorry but i need to add it, foreigners claiming from the system.

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  • I’m confused last week I could have sworn I had heard that James “stroke” Reilly had the most difficult department in government but now it seems Joan “I cannot clarify” Burton has the most difficult department. Who’s up next week? Junior Brutal?

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  • mike 12/10/12 #

    I like her.. for too long the struggling classes of this country have been screwed over to fund the social welfare parasites who WON’T work or work for cash while claiming every benefit on the book. It’s a hard job to find a way to penalize those who WON’T work without adversely affecting those who CAN’T work. I think that’s what she is trying to do here… only time will tell…

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  • €20 billon on Social services! Jaysus, no wonder the country is broke. We need to encourage people to work or start businesses. We need to move away from a “Social Welfare” lifestyle. That said, there are people who do need to be helped via social services, I support that.

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  • Cut the dole by 100 euros and make JobBridge compulsory for all dole recipients over 21.

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    • You want social unrest and strikes to paralyze the country?

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    • How do people on the dole go about striking? I am intrigued.

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    • MrKnow 13/10/12 #

      ill tell you how roger. cutting the dole by 100euro will leave people over the age of 21 with 88euros to live on for 7 days. In this day and age it won’t get you far, and lets not forget that we live in one of the most expensive (by living standards) country on the planet. and jobsbridge compulsive? are you kidding! 400+k people going it, how long do you think it would take to shift through that mess, and at what cost? public servants would use up the savings made by chucking people off the dole in a month because it would take so many! look at any department when it comes to dealing with numbers, tax office, driving licenses, passpost office, garda venting etc. It would be a failure even before it could take off, and to add salt to the wound, it would create tens of thousands of despite people looking to keep there head above water, hmmm not sure that would be good news for the already stretched garda force.

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    • Mick 13/10/12 #

      Mr Know…you started with “I tell you how” people on the dole would go on strike….then…well u did not tell us how…In fact you did not mention “strike” once in your whole “I’ll tell you how” response… Do you want to make yourself look stupid?

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  • She’ll have to talk to the think tank about get back to us.

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  • No Jobs? Not really good paid jobs… at least in Cork. But if you need to survive it is possible to find some for 9 Eur per Hour.
    But speaking in general, if government will cut Child benefit and FIS, live will be harder for my family, because I`m working for a 336 per week, and should feed my family and pay awful cork rents…
    If government would like people back to work, they should support childcare. Full-time in Cork would cost me 200 per week…

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  • This woman is one nasty piece of work. Never off the telly at one time. Now never on it. Austerity,poverty and living in fear will never affect her life. She needs to be ran out of town on the back of a burning wagon as soon as possible. Yee Ha

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  • @ gaius…no i did not vote yes…nor did i vote the the people thats running the country at the moment…ur very quick to judge other peoples comments…what do you think could help the country….let ireland leave the euro…cant be any worse than the way the country is at the moment or will be for next 20 years….at least if we didnt have to stick to the eu rules…we could stop the payments leaving the country to people whom are only moving over here because social payments are high and all the stuff u get when gettin social….

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  • There’s plenty to criticise without having to resort to her looks. It’s just lowers your arguement and comes off as fairly sexist.

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