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‘Cheaper’ proposal to build Children’s Hospital on Phoenix Park site

A Dublin-based firm says it can build the National Children’s Hospital for a fraction of the cost of the rejected development at the site of the Mater Hospital.

An aerial shot of the proposed development.
An aerial shot of the proposed development.
Image: Flynn and O'Flaherty

AN AREA NEAR the Phoenix Park is the latest site in Dublin to be proposed as a location for the National Children’s Hospital.

The Dublin-based developers Flynn & O’Flaherty have claimed that they could build the new hospital on a free eight-acre site at the Phoenix Park racecourse development for cost of €440 million, over €210 million less than if it were built on the site of the Mater Hospital.

The firm has submitted what it says is a detailed costing exercise to the review group set up to examine alternative sites to the Mater Hospital after An Bord Pleanála rejected the development of the hospital there.

Around 15 locations in the greater Dublin area have since been proposed as alternatives including St James’s Hospital, a greenfield site near Dublin Airport, the site of the Coombe hospital, Tallaght and a revised development at the site of the Mater.

The developers for the site at the Phoenix Park claim they have the land zoned for development and that there is previously attained planning permission granted for a nine storey development.

According to a website for the Phoenix Park Racecourse development this was to include new homes, a new 18 acre park, a new railway station, new shops, restaurants, leisure facilities and a creche for the area around Castleknock.

The developers say they could deliver the project by 2016 and say that there would be ample space for car parking as well as facilities such as the train station and Dublin Zoo.

“The accessibility of the site to both the city an the rest of the country, beside the M5 and on the N3 (Navan Road) with the Quality Bus Corridor and its own existing train station offers an attractive alternative to the co-location option,” said Denis Doherty, a spokesman for Flynn and O’Flaherty.

A review group examining the various options for the National Children’s Hospital is to make its recommendations to the Minister for Health James Reilly later this month.

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Comments (40 Comments)

  • Perfect Location for the Childrens hospital.

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  • I’ll echo what Alan said excellent site for the hospital

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  • jrbmc 14/05/12 #

    Well said lads ! , time to get on with it and build it

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  • There are a lot of benefits.

    Beside the M50.
    It’s on the Navan Rd.
    It’s close to Blanchardstown shopping centre.
    Close to the Phoenix Park.
    Near enough to Heuston station.
    Can be accessible from Connolly on commuter rail.
    Frequent bus service.
    Not too far away from other hospitals.
    Good area for staff to travel to and from.
    There is accommodation near by.
    It’s close to Phoenix Park Station and Ashtown Station.
    There’s plenty of restaurants nearby.
    Town isn’t too far.
    Not that far away from the airport.
    Plenty of parking space.
    Room for helicopter access.

    It’s 5 minutes away from Connolly hospital as well.

    It’s the perfect place really.

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  • I have to say that is damn good proposal, possible even the perfect location for it for the public and for staff. It 100% sensible and that unfortunately why it prob won’t get the go ahead cause from what I’ve seen over the years planning in this country is based around who will benefit form it I’m not talking about the public here but people in the government making sure that their developer buddies who own land get a nice bit of dosh for it. I’m not being slanderous as far as I’m aware as that statement is based on the many planning inquiries over the last 30 years I’ve been on this earth.

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  • Everyone knows that mater site is a ridiculous location for this hospital and that this Phoenix park place or tallaght would be way better. This fixation of the mater screams brown envelopes to me. There has to be something dodge going on for them to be trying their best to get it at the mater site even by trying to change laws to overrule an bord pleanala. Serious corruption!!!!

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  • Seems like a no brainer. Let’s hope we can see a return to common sense and this proposal seems hard to beat. It’s practically on the M50 and would be easily accessed from the city centre too. This site was supposed to developed into a casino and hotel before those plans were scrapped. Personally I’d much rather see this proposal occupy the site.

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  • Gerard 14/05/12 #

    This idea makes perfect sense and therefore probably won’t happen, would love to see it built there though

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  • If it saves the Country €200 Million , it’s simply a no-brainer .
    Fantastic location beside a beautiful National Park , where Parents & Friends visiting their loved ones can enjoy the local facilities too without City congestion !

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  • Perfect location and great for parents and children to avail of the beautiful and very safe scenery around them,really hope the board takes this suggestion seriously,can’t understand why they are so hell bent on developing the mater site

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    • The matter is the preferred location because the staff and expertise are already at the matter, its also a teaching hospital, the hospital has one of the best medical laboratory testing and screening unit for diagnosis, treatment, and prevention of disease. It is the national centre for Heart and Lung Transplantation, Spinal Injuries, diabetes, neurology among many more. It specialises in ear, nose and throat, respiratory, infectious diseases (meningitis) these specialists are here now. Its just a shame the location is not suitable for this large hospital.

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  • It’s a fantastic location, just think of being able to go for a walk in the park with the kids, the zoo is close by, the easy access.. Let’s put that mater idea to bed finally and do what the kids need..this is what they need!!
    First time I’ve seen soo much agreement on the journal comments btw. Hope they are taking note!!

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  • It’s not f-ING rocket science.
    Children in hospital want visitors
    Parents want access to their sick kids

    It’s cost ages to get into city centre and find parking and it costs a bomb?

    Let’s get rid of mater and templestreet together…. And build a new state of the art hospital on the M50 ring with free parking so that even the culchies can visit their kids

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  • Its a great location but this area is very built up with residential housing, the residents here will complain about the height of the building.

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    • There was planning permission for 9 stories in the original development.

      It’s built up, but the immediate area isn’t THAT built up. It’s only when you start going down the road to Ashtown one end and Blanchardstown the other end. I don’t think there would be too many objections. I don’t think the height would affect too many residents.

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    • “previously attained planning permission granted for a nine storey development”, well is that got approved I think if the hospital is below nine stories it will be fine with the residents.

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    • The new childrens hospital was to be 16 floors high

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    • They did lack space with the Mater site so hopefully they can redo a design for 9 stories with a larger space. That’s if they can’t get higher.

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    • Billie the Phoenix Park racecourse is in Castleknock the 25,000 plus residents in that area will complain, if the childrens hospital has to go back to the drawing boards to scale it back to 9 floors from 16, this will delay the project by 3-5 years maybe more when it goes to An Bord Pleanala.

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    • It won’t affect 25000 Castleknock residents. It’s on the very edge of Castleknock. It will be neighboured by the Phoenix Park. There isn’t many buildings on the train station side. It’s only bordered by 2 sides by housing developments, Ashtown and the estates around the Castleknock Rd. I don’t think there would be complaints that can’t be worked out.

      They would need new plans because it’s a totally different area. There is more room so the original plan probably wouldn’t work there. The same is true for any new venue that isn’t the Mater site.

      This hasn’t been officially decided yet either.

      There isn’t a better site in the country for this. There is no good reason for it not to be here.

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    • If the building was scaled back to say 9 floors from its current 16 floors they will build it at the Matter.

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  • interesting option

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  • I live right beside this for the last 20 years.The former “pheonix park” train station is vastly underused. It was given planning permission around the same time as the rest of the site it was just built a lot quicker, I.e before the arse fell out of the rest of the development so the footfall it was designed for just isn’t present.

    I think it’s a decent idea, once they keep it that end of the patch of land it should be ok traffic wise

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  • If it’s truly gong to be the ‘national’ childrens hospital theres only one suggested location that ticks all off the boxes i.e. access for the whole country, no traffic jams for ambulances, co-location, green areas, parking etc and thats Tallaght. Imagine having the adult hospital, maternity hospital (if the coombe transfers as planned) and the new childrens hospital on the one site….

    Guess we’ll see if we’ve moved on from the brown envelope days soon enough……

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    • Well, I gotta say Tallaght is *nice* but this beats it. It’s a motorway away from Tallaght, Blanchardstown is even closer, there’s potential for the LUAS extension coming to Broombridge to be connected to here,

      Brown envelopes? Heck, *I’d* put money in that pot if it meant a children’s hospital went up!

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  • Hold on folks, the main consideration for a hospital should be the best access to services and expertise for patients, not the car parking and access to the M50….

    Maybe i’m wrong but i would have thought that a reason to have it co-located would be to have access to staff and expertise from other services, for example a cardiology consult could be had from a wider team in a neighboring ‘adult’ hospital, for instance at the neighboring Mater…. It would be harder to achieve this mutual access to resources on this new site…

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  • This sounds to perfect. Let’s hope someone see this, stops waffling and gets on with it. At this rate it will be my grandchildren rather than my children who will need this place before a sod is turned!

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  • the opw are very against new buildings in the phoenix park, has anyone asked them seen as they run it?!

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    • Its not in the Phoenix park, its beside it, they have already built many apartment blocks on the site. 20 years ago they had plans to build high rise blocks on this site, An Bord Pleanala blocked it, so i cannot see them granting the construction of a 16 storey block.

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