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111,000 pupils miss more than 20 school days a year

The Oireachtas health committee heard pupil absence details yesterday, and was told that 158 pupils were expelled in the 2009-2010 year.

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OF IRELAND’S 800,000 children in primary and post-primary education, over 111,000 miss more than 20 days in school each year, the Joint Committee on Health and Children has heard.

Nuala Doherty, chairperson designate of the National Educational Welfare Board which monitors pupil absenteeism, told the committee yesterday that the rate of pupil absence in the 2009-2010 school year “was lower that the average rate for the previous five years”.

Schools must notify the NEWB, founded under the Education (Welfare) Act 2000 if a pupil has been absent for more than 20 days in a year. However, she noted that a sick child could easily miss that length of time, but that this would be treated as a legitimate absence from school.

“Teachers signal to us when they are concerned about attendance,” she said.

Parents can face prosecution over their child’s absence from school, and since summonses were first issued in 2006, there have been 200 convictions. Another 139 cases have been struck out “mainly because of general improvements”, Doherty told the committee.

Under the Education (Welfare) Act 2000, a parent can mount a legitimate defence that they have done their best to return a child to school.

Expelled

Doherty also said that there were ten expulsions from primary schools and 148 from post-primary schools in the 2009-2010 school year.

“Expulsion continues to be a rare occurrence,” she said. “It affects just 0.05 per cent of students in our secondary schools. It is important for the committee to note that our figures are very similar to those in Northern Ireland and the UK.”

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Comments (27 Comments)

  • @CelticLady To be fair the 500+ teachers I’ve worked with over the last 6 years all exercise common sense and are very good at reading a situation if they think a student is acting ill to go home etc. It’s a tricky situation at times depending on the nature of the symptoms (e.g. we can give heat/cool packs or plasters but not medication or painkillers). At the end of the day if a student makes several reports to a teacher regarding illness we can’t deny permission to phone home. It’s up to the parent then to use their judgement on receiving the call whether or not to collect their son/daughter.

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  • Regards the sending of children home if they are sick. Children would have to be sent home if they say they are sick, even if they were trying to pull the wool over a teachers eyes. Could you just. A fine what would happen if a child said they were sick, the teacher said they were okay a day then they got sick. You would have all lots of people talking about children’s rights never mind a nice letter in the post for the respective teacher. I think the figures are rather high.

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    • Peter 26/07/12 #

      Kids need to be taught that if they fake illness they aught to be punished, all should should have a local GP or nurse they can send the child to and if they faking back to school!
      If children do this in their teens they will do it for the rest of their lives in future workplaces

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    • Peter my cousin family was told she was faking fainting. She fainted daily at school and an ambulance was called if if took longer than a few mins for her to come around, the hospital staff told them over and over again for 6 months that nothing was wrong with her, she ended up in ICU with major heart problems, she was 15. She needed an urgent heart opperation.

      Not all kids fake it, if they do why are they doing it, one main reason is bullies! or a teacher they dont like.

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  • Taking kids out if school to save 2k on a holiday trip must also be an issue. nSo many families do this and to be honest I don’t seem a problem with it. nThe travel agents and tour operators bump up the prices as soon as the schools out.

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  • Thankfully our schools are well aware that we are genuine, We have notes written to back up every day the kids miss. I hate to think that because our kids missed over 20 day people think that we couldn’t be bothered about their education, there health is just as important.

    TBH if less people sent their kids to school SICK my kids wouldnt be sick as much, you have kids coming into school who are passing these germs around when they chould be at home in bed.

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    • Absolutely correct, Karla. “Illness spreads in cramped classrooms SHOCKER”. (Note: the employer/government expects the teachers to be immune to these illnesses, except for 3.5 days per year.)

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  • I recall 5 years ago my daughter was rushed into hospital doing into a coma, turned out she was diabetic, she missed appox 35 days of school that year.

    I would think that my lads also missed over 20 days of school this year 1 son had scarlet fever and it took him 10 school days to get over it, (it took his body well over 2 months to get back to normal) he then had another viral infection which took another 5 days he also had tummy bugs which adds another few days and we went on holiday so that accounts for another 8 days. My other son caught everything my little lad did but coped better and went to school a few more days.

    My daughter also had strep throat and tummy bugs and infections which also upset the blood sugars, she was also in crumlin hospital for a week, she was sent home from school a good few times for being ill, she also had 3 appointments in crumlin and 3 at more local hospital she also missed over 20 days of school. She too came on holidays with us.

    All my kids had valid reasons for being out of school for over 20 days, Its not because i couldnt be arsed to take them, its because they were sick or we were on holiday, we will go on holidays during school term as its way over priced during the school holidays.

    As a side note i wonder how many adults have called in sick to work when they havent been sick, just a little hungover or just couldn’t be bothered going into work that day.

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    • Peter 26/07/12 #

      Your cases are genuine, sadly parents often turn a blind eye to their kids miching

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    • siobeli 26/07/12 #

      You had valid reasons if your kids were sick…but taking them out of school for a holiday, that is not a valid reason especially as you stated that they have been missing so much when they are sick.
      I know so many parents that do this and I find it so annoying….often same parents who give out about the price of books/uniforms, while than heading off on a holiday!!! Children get enough school holidays…while i know it is more expensive during this time, the child is not missing out on their school work. People forget that a holiday is not a right, it’s a luxury!!! No child ever felt deprived because they didn’t get a week in Spain…!!

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    • I remeber the very week that this 20 day ruling was passed , the very next week the minister for education took his kids out of school for a week to go on holiday.

      Any way holidays are educational, they get to experince new foods, new cultures, different languages, then on top of those they get to see new flora and fauna. something no school can give them a hands on experince.

      They may read about venice but to visit it is somewhat different, they know that people fled to venizia to get away from Attila the Hun to get away from they may read about gladiators but to visit a colosseum is amazing. for them to see the ramparts and fortifications of carcassonne and walk along the coblestone streets pretending they are Romans was nothing a school classroom could give them. To go on the yellow canary train along the pyrenees is also nothing compared to a classroom picture.

      For them to count back change in Italian and French is not what they teach in senior and junior infants mathmatics. The new French and Italian words they learnt was also educational. They spent time collecting shells on the beach, they never saw so many shells.

      And your telling me holidays are not educational??? They didnt miss out on school work… they had an adventure and experienced history/geography/languages/maths/science/nature first hand.

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    • siobeli 26/07/12 #

      You sound a lot more cultural than many of parents I know! I’m not aware of many families taking their children to Venice or Rome (many I hang out with the wrong crowd!) it is the ideal that all holidays are cultural- mine our!! But taken during school holidays
      Reality is that most kids holidays are in the likes of benidorm etc, in package hols with kids clubs, with families rarely venturing outside the hotel complex. Don’t see how this is educational???!!

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    • To be honest our trip to Italy was taken in May for less than 1000 euro (flights, car hire and accommodation) accommodation was a self catering mobile home, if we booked that same holiday in July/August you could add 3k to it. No way could we pay that just for a week. The weather would also be too hot.

      We like to plan our trip so the kids get fun and education too. I love history and will tell the kids about what happened on the ground the walk on. They also get to splash around in the pool to chill out.

      My eldest is starting secondary school, so hoildays for the next 2 years will be in June as i dont want her missing out on anything, primary school in my eyes is not as important as secondary. I wont ever take her out of secondary school to go on a holiday not when she will have important exams.

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  • Some schools in the UK fine parents 50 quid a day for absenteeism, even for planned absenteeism.

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    • Peter 26/07/12 #

      Thats good considering the tax payer is being robbed to subsidise for kids that are not his, if I was to steal my neighbours car sell it and pay for my child’s education that would be a crime , but when the government does it it’s perfectly legal,

      Privatise education please

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    • Peter you, as a regular member of society, profit from kids being educated as on leaving education they will then be better able to get jobs and share the tax burden with you.

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  • Peter 26/07/12 #

    Make their parents pay for absences that are unaccounted for, 5euros a day

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  • Eh 158 children were expelled last year. I wonder what the reasons were considering the drive towards inclusive education. Also where do they end up? To be rejected by a school which has played a huge part in your life must be detrimental.

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    • Expulsions are never taken lightly. The Board of Management of the school has to vote for an expulsion, the student being referred by the school Principal. Parents and students can make representations to the board.

      Students and parents can appeal an expulsion under Section 29 of the Education Act, the decision can be overturned if all documentation etc is not in order. There will have to been a clear documented breach or breaches of the schools behavioural policy.

      The school in obliged under the act to try and place students in other schools.

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  • “was lover than the average rate for the previous five years” oops guess ya one missed a fees days herself

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  • Teachers are very quick to send kids home ‘sick’ … And kids know it! Tummy ache , headache , cough , runny nose and the next thing is the parent is called to bring them home. These are then counted as sick days. Also how many days in the brief school year do teachers miss , leaving the kids with subs ?

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