I second that Chris

1 pedophile obviously wouldn’t have done the same..

Thumbs up Chris.
The sanctity of a family knows no boundries when it comes to defending your loved ones.
I would without a shadow of a doubt do time if it meant protecting my wife and children against from harm.

If the father injured his hands I hope the state of Texas pay for the hospital bill.

Thou shalt not kill.

Thou shall and I know I would, in these circumstances. @ Ireland’s Owen. Even Jesus said better a millstone be tied around the neck of someone who harms a child, and feck them into the nearest river, or words to that effect. Bear in mind that with a millstone tied around your neck, you’re going to die. There are certain predators that even Jesus thinks should get the death penalty. I’m a believer.

Guess all those red thumbs are pedophiles themselves.

@Chris Not just parents. Archbishop Diarmuid Martin said that. if he found anyone abusing his nieces or nephews, he’d kill the abuser.

He did deserve to die and have is corpse fed to the pigs!

…. And god knows how many future children !

I don’t think,at the moment you witnessed that happening to your baby,anything except anger and adrenaline would be pumping through your system. He did what I would hope my husband would do, reacted how I hope I’d have the power to react and for that I respect him. But I also feel horribly bad for his little girl and family as well as himself. He must be fighting with his conscience over what COULD have happened

@Foot Ball
Of course you would be in front of a judge and jury, and rightly so. You’re not entitled to kill someone just because you found them causing harm to someone. However, you are entitled to make your case for self defence in Ireland just as you are in the US.

It’s up to the judge and jury to decide whether you’re telling the truth or not. If this type of case never goes to court, then I can kill whoever I want and claim I was defending a little girl.

It absolutely should go to court, and the court should accept the defence and give a ruling of not guilty. Someone has to make the decision as to whether to convict, and I’d rather it was a judge and jury.

Emm wasn’t he a threat to his daughter??

He was until the man entered the room. I doubt he was going to continue sexually assaulting her like his life depended on it in front of an aquaintance. Am I the only person here who can use reason or logic?

Do you not have children renters?

Renters you wouldn’t be a Vulcan by any chance would you? Because I don’t think any parent (or indeed human) could walk in to a room, see that sort of thing, and then say ‘no, killing him would be illogical, I shall therefore restrain him and call the authorities’.

You are the only person here acting high and mighty. I wonder would it be a good or a bad thing being so detached from the world and viewing it all with reason and logic. Reason and logic goes out the window when you see someone you love being hurt.

I do not have children, but I have a niece and nephew, and my word, if anyone laid a finger on them … I’m all for the pen being mightier than the sword but on the rare occasion the physical rules over the mental. You are on and on about law and order, the same law and order that sees murderers get a few years and tax dodgers get longer sentences?

Ok I will tell you why I am so “high and mighty” on this issue. I spent 18 months of my life in prison and had time to reflect on the idea of justice. My 16 year old brother was attacked by a drug dealer in my area, beat him with a bat and broke his arm. I was pretty fearless as a younger man and I went straight to his house and beat him with a hammer leaving him with a brain injury. This was about revenge and I was acting out of pure emotion. This was me acting on emotion, love and anger but that does not make it right. If people went around taking lives based on their emotions we’d be back to Game of Thrones type living.

Renters you seem to be the only person here who thinks there’s no harm in sexually assaulting a 4 year old girl. As you said “he is no threat to anybody” what about the little girl? Was she not threatened? And you say that being a paedophile is certainly not a crime warranting death, how could you think that unless your a sicko yourself? Robbing a child of their innocence and seriously disturbing them for life should be punishable by death end of story.

Your act was premeditated – you got a hammer and went to the house of this man, you had time to think on the way. This man made a split second decision whereby he had no time to decide the best course of action to protect his 4 year old daughter – his was pure instinct.

I will not condemn or condone your actions, but speaking of this man, if the story is the whole story, he did what he was meant to do – protect his daughter and perhaps other kids as well. If he is a right thinking human, he will regret his actions (as in the man died) but be glad his daughter is okay.

Premeditated, Renters. Massive distinction between your actions and the heat-of-the-moment actions of a father protecting his daughter in the process of being molested by a paedophile.

@Irish Renters

You’re either think or a troll, or sadly a sympathizer of pedophiles and rapist! You obviously have not had the blessing of having children. I know that I would beat the sh1t out of this person, if I killed him, fine, then I’d drag him outside so he wouldn’t stain my house with his blood, then I might call the guards.

On another point, same goes for an intruder into my home, if I see him/her at the bottom or top of my stairs, they will have the chance of facing something for about 3 seconds, then they’d be dead. My home, my sanctuary, my safe place to be.

Renters I think your logic is good, most morons here should watch the movie 12 angry men think, we don’t know if the man is telling the truth, and the only witness is the girl who will have a fear of her father who killed a man before her eyes… How do you expect for him to have a solid case of defence in this situation, pedophilia has being used before to justify such a crime and sometimes to cover an alternative motive, we should see how it pans out in court, before the “I’d do the same ” brigade form a vigilante mob

In reply, I have no children due to my wife’s illness. We do have lots of dogs which we treat like children and who I would protect with my life. But that is irrelevant to my point.

@Irish Renters!

correction to my post …..

“You’re either thick or a troll ……”

I don’t think Irish Renters is a sympathiser of paedophiles as Sheila has suggested.

He is pointing out that you cannot simply take the law into your own hands and kill someone out of revenge for something they have done or was planning to do.
If you have to kill someone in order to protect someone else from them, that is fine. BUT ideally you should restrain the person and call the police.

In this man’s case, if he could reasonably have protected his daughter without killing the perpetrator, then that is what he should have done. We don’t know the circumstances of the moment so we can’t say whether the killing was justified or not. The law recognises justified killings.

@rRenters-”paedophilia is not a crime that warrants death”. What planet are you living on?

@Edel I seem to be living in the modern world where no crimes are punishable by death. I cannot understand the mindset of people that believe a man should be tortured and excecuted for having his hand on a four year old privates. It’s a disgusting crime for sure but there are far more serious acts of violence and sexual violence.

I’m sorry you can’t have children renters,but I can tell you now that the feelings you have for your dogs are nothing in comparison. We have dogs too and before we had kids we thought we loved them like they were our kids. I still love my dogs just as much,only now I have children and realise what true love and overpowering protectiveness is. The feelings you have for your babies are beyond anything you can even imagine until you actually have them. I love my husband more than my parents or siblings but my children have something much more special. It’s indescribable. If you feel like that over your dogs,like we do,then believe me,you would feel like the “lynch mob” on here would about their innocent,vulnerable babies.
We’re taking this article as it is as it says the little girl was taken to hospital and the fathers story has checked out. She is no doubt horrified by all that happened but in the long run she will see how her father protected her in such an extreme way.
I would kill anyone who harmed my babies. The law simply wouldn’t come into my head. What you did was premeditated though. You had time to calm yourself down and you made a bad decision,he was your brother also and not your baby,which is different. What this father did was react like a father. Had it happened without him walking in and the cops been called later when they discovered her,or worse,her remains,then there would have been court and all that I’m sure. But walking in and seeing a man doing god knows what to your crying toddler????? His reaction was natural. I feel bad for his little girl and family but also for the father. It’s tragic all around

Well put Mark.

I’m curious about the basic instinct to kill here. It’s understandable that the guy went ballistic, I doubt he intended to kill but that was the outcome. I wonder if it was his son that he found molesting a younger sibling would he have been as violent? I’d see this as a consequence rather than a just reward. If u put yur head on a railway track and get killed its no surprise., same for abusing kids. I still don’t believe that we should revel in killing. It’s all a bit animalistic. No matter how vile child abuse is we still have to rise above it and allow the law to deal with it.

@jonhayes…if that was an attempt at humour or a lack of understanding of the English language, either way you are showing your ignorance, total lack of class and awareness.

your sick jon Hayes. It`s people like you we should be very very wary of. To make such an association is disgusting! you should be ashamed you sick sick person

Clearly, you’re no wimp Kelly. You may be circumspect as opposed to wimpy, in some cases, but that’s ok. When push comes to shove, you leave us in no doubt as to the result of anyone messing with your family. You’re brave and that’s it.

Well we dont know what really happened, the man that was murdered had no previous convictions and we only have the killers word to go by

You are the type of person that is a cheerleader for the murder of innocents. Thankfully we live in a civilised nation here.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/may/15/carlos-texas-innocent-man-death

Irish renters raises a point what’s to say I murder anyone who mearly looks at my child ??? The child is not a witness… All this bushit of “I’d do the same ” , If I saw someone punching someone to death I’d kick them off that person

” If I saw someone punching someone to death I’d kick them off that person” – For arguments sake, say you did come across someone punching another person, perhaps to death, and you decided to intervene by landing a kick on the person doing the punching. Now, your kick, happens to hit the puncher in the wrong place – breaks his neck, causes a brain injury – be it what you will, and he dies – what does that say about you?

If you intervene by physical means there is always the chance that it goes horribly wrong – you most lightly do not intend that to happen, but it can happen. This man did repeatedly punch the abuser but repeatedly could be 3 times…

In hindsight, I bet that man wishes he didn’t kill the abuser, that the abuser rotted away in some jail cell somewhere, but as they say “hindsight is great.”

No, what is being said is that the reaction of a father, to finding his for year old daughter being sexually abused, in which he kills the attacker, is an understandable and crimeless action. If you think otherwise you are in the vast minority.

I may be but that is ok. You are part of the hysteria where reasoning is thrown out the window in place of mindless savagery. Paedogeddon was made for your kind. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLyLGrbKokI

I don’t think killing another person is a worse crime than committing filthy sexual acts like that on an innocent child, and I believe a lot of people would share this view. The father walked in and witnessed that predator engaging in his disgusting business on his own flesh and blood and he saw red, evidently. Of course he lost it and defended his child, it’s 100% human. It makes me sick when I hear people like you saying he deserves a trial. He deserves nothing more than a bullet in the head and an unmarked grave.

you have sympathy for a paedo…get the funk out of here…

No, I’d like to think that I’m part of the reasonable silent majority. The reaction of this man was ‘understandable’ given the situation. and thankfully the authorities saw similar. This man will have to live with his actions for the rest of his life, he owes society nothing for what he has done. Do you think he does?

are you saying if you walked in on a man sexually assualting your four year old daughter, you would calmly restrain him and call the police? Somehow I doubt it.

Ok John. Say you and me are friends, unlikely I know. I get word that you slept with my wife one night and I see red but I keep calm. I invite you over for a few drinks one night. Bring you into my childs bedroom and beat you to death there. I call the police and say I caught you molesting my child and reacted with violence. So no trial needed then?
Sexual assault is in no way worse than death. A person has a chance to recover and receive help for a sexual assault. Killing somebody is final. Killing somebody affects hundreds of other people who have to deal with a loss. I’m dancing rings around people here tonight.

Renters, with that last post its coherently clear that you have no grasp of the situation. Logic and reason does not exist when a father protects a daughter from a sexual predator. That’s human nature and again, thankfully the authorities saw it the same

Obviously not taking into account the many people who commit suicide, get into drinks and drugs as an escape for abuse. If that vile creature had not have interfered with a child he’d still be alive.

Irish renters- are you sure your name is not really Irish Rentboys?

Renters, I suggest you acquaint yourself with term “premeditated”.

@Irish Renters,

If you read the article you will see that it was reported that the father walked back into the house and found the savage raping, molesting his child. That’s is enough, for me, yes, to decide whether he lives or dies. It’s like animals/parents in the wild, just the same, any other animal tries to kill the cub, faun, buffalo calf etc. the parents attack the intruder. We are animals, we are not savages, the individual raping the little 4 year old is the savage!

Irish rent boy more like..

Somebody made that “joke” 8 hours ago Ray. I’m not a rent boy, I’m spokesperson for the Irish Renters Association. How is the junior cert going by the way?

@ Irish Renters. Yes sexualy assault DOES deserve death. What does a rapist get? A few years? The victim gets the life sentence, and on top of that many victims have paranoia, major trust issues, weight problems, depression, a life of guilt, i could go on and on here. What chance does a child have if you are saying that there should be logic? Thank god we have our primal instincts in a situation like that. And on another note to compare your dogs to children shows you lack of understanding about having a child. you say you would give your life for your dog but when it comes to a man protecting his 4 year old child from a monster he should use logic?

And I’m sure they would be delighted to see you airing your personal opinions under their name *eyeroll*

@ shane so what your saying is that only victims of abuse should be the only ones to have that opinion? God forbid that someone who hasn`t been effected by abuse should say that a rape victim gets a life of suffering! I`m sure that whatever opinions you hold have been down to major life experiences. *middle finger of right hand raised vertically*

Jimmy if you bothered to read the whole thread you would see I was referring to “their” as in the Irish Renters Organization which he is posting under. I for one would not allow any employee to post his opinions under the company name on a public forum. You may inset your apology here –>

@ shane I apologise profusely! I misunderstood your post. I am sorry and i agree with what you said. *face slightly blushed*

No problem Jimmy. Apology graciously accepted. In retrospect I can see how the confusion would come. Someone posted in between my reply I see. No harm. No foul. Let’s hope the victim and the father get the support and help they need.

http://www.opposingviews.com/i/society/crime/texas-father-murders-pedophile-caught-molesting-his-daughter# caught on top on her in the barn when he heard her screaming……..not likely she wandered in on him in the loo really is it?

You’ve made my point to a scary extent. In the report in thejournal, here, it says “When the father returned to the house he caught the man molesting his daughter and stopped him, striking him repeatedly on the head.” You quote the culprit as being “caught on top on her in the barn when he heard her screaming,” from a different source. A major discrepancy, and yet so many of the readers here applauding the summary execution.

She was being abused,the fathers story of that checked out by the hospital. He walked in on the ‘action’. The rest is pretty irrelevant to me. He protected his daughter,he saw red,his emotions took over and he went further,I’m sure,than he meant to. But he saved his baby girl from a predator. It might have been better to have had the guy survive and go to jail,but I don’t think any parent would have the control to let that animal get back up.

In situations like that law is inadequate. Father took law in his own hands and I can only say.. ” Well done”

This a 4 year old little child.An innocent little child. Children have a right to be safe, children have wright to be protected from danger,they also have their Rights to their Childhood
This Father walked into the situation where his baby girl was being abused… What do you suggest he should have done???? Should this Dad asked this “man” to stop and then sat down and talked to him and ask that he should. Apologise and leave
As a mum I really do not know how I would react but I do know it would not be thinking of the abusers safety or life

That is an incredible statement to make Jerry.

I see where your coming from Jerry but that man sealed his own fate. If he didn’t attempt to sexually assault/rape a 4 year old he would be enjoying life today. Tough tits son.

The law here isn’t inadequate, and he acted completely outside of the laws of the jungle for that matter too. As the article says, he acted in accordance with the law i.e. he acted in defence of a third party. The US law at least recognises that right and will defend the man in court as long as there is no proof stating the contrary.

Val, I was just about to say the same thing. Everyone is presuming that this man acted outside of the law, but that isn’t necessarily the case.

Killing someone is not a crime. Unlawfully killing someone is. Self defence or defence of a third party is a legitimate defence to a murder charge.

what ‘misunderstanding or mistake’ was there? he was caught in the evil act and he deserved to pay, he was just unlucky that it was the little childs father, if anyone else he would prob be still alive … to serve a few yrs in proson and then do the same thing again

jerry what planet are you on could you simply walk away and call the police of you saw this happen to your child im afraid nature has given us the task of protecting our young and i would not have hesitated to do the same law or no law i would gladly serve time to protect my children

This was an instinctive reaction of a man who witnessed something any father would find horrific! It’s easy to have opinions on what he should have done but unless it happened you you will never know how you’ll react!

Renters, Troll as much as you want but not on such a serious topic. Thanks.

It’s quite clear this idiot “irishrenters” is a troll. Don’t waster your time replying to his utter rubbish. Get back under your bridge with your lies and BS.