Don’t vote for parties who support a property tax. Vote for parties who will repeal it.

in a word, yes

yes

They will probably be at 48% by next year. This is how the Irish operate.

Unfortunately,YES.
I know Kenny has not been forceful enough in his dealings with Europe but the mess left by FF was monumental.
How could anyone forgive or forget the damage done by FF?
If this poll is correct,is it any wonder we Irish have the name of being thick and stupid!

Just awful.

Well said dillon

Brilliant post, well said

Nothing to worry about folks, this poll is rigged. Polls cost money to conduct.

In the poll they should include a “I think they are all idiots” section, we could see how many votes that option gets.

Wakey wakey!

Ignore these polls. They are all skewed and manipulated.

Time for a new party. And vote. That’s why this means

I have never voted for a party out of loyalty, I live in dun Laoghaire/rathdown & would vote & will still vote for whomever I like, I assume the majority of people will do likewise. FFFGLABSFIND not much difference with any of them, promise the world & deliver f&ckall. There is no superstar within Irish politics that can unite the country, that’s our problem. We are paying far too much money for mediocrity.

Well said Dillon !

Compaired to what we have at the moment they are a better option, a FF government always kept this country working.

Hear hear Peter

The reason is that the people who run the news paper,s hear in Ireland are on the back pocket of Fianna Fáil and it is a illusion that they are up to 27% the truth of the matter is that rich and powerfull in this country back Fianna Fáil and make it appear that they are on top I wood say lies and more lies now we are talking the truth but will ye print it I wait and see.

Jack the fact you can’t even spell compared says a lot about you and your point of view. One of the stupid 27%

The reason is that the people who run the news paper,s hear in Ireland are on the back pocket of Fianna Fáil and it is a illusion that they are up to 27% the truth of the matter is that rich and powerfull in this country back Fianna Fáil and make it appear that they are on top I wood say lies and more lies now we are talking the truth but will ye print it I wait and see.again ????????

@Dillon brilliant, had to share that.

I really pray and hope your right

And FF will promise to abolish the property tax (just like in 1977) and the electorate will be bought again (and again):(

I SEE CENSORSHIP IS ALIVE & KICKING ON THE JOURNAL? You’re not allowed criticise Fianna Fáil voters now, no? Is there a list we can look at as to whom we are allowed criticise? Maybe you could publish it on the Politburo website?

Yeah, where is this comment everyone is applauding!? The Journal, wtf!

God how dumb are we. If they’re the only alternative I’ll be voting anyone but the 4 main parties (or groups of con artists)

Was dillons comment removed?

A law should be brought in that if a government fails to deliver on 50% of their mandate, and show progress to date on the remaining 50% within the 1st 12 months, then they should replace with immediate effect. It’s not good enough to keep accepting lie after lie.

@michelle, whats the craic here? Why was thecomment from @Dillon pulled?

Must be a glitch.
It’s still up on my phone.

Jack you are being sarcastic aren’t you ?

Dillon, Would love to have read what you posted. I’m surprised this isn’t censored even more though. Perhaps when the readership grows the government like any other dictatorship will step in.

No it still gone put the comment back up or give an explanation as to why it was taken down.

Except the Indo is controlled by DO’B who has very close links to FG.

DOB doesn’t care which he even knows they both the same.

we need new and young blood …

Very true

Very true, FF have always kept the country working! Unlike the buffoons in power at present!

@Paul At Savelectrical what are you talking about? Unemployment was at 5% in 2008 and 14% when FF left office in 2011.

It’s rigged because you don’t like the result?

Predictive text perhaps youve heard of it Enda, no need to get your knickers in a twist about though.

Republic of idiots and Amnesia!!!

Id love to have 10 minutes with these people who have FF no 1 at the moment.
I’d show them some reports, news clips then a statement of the national debt!
Did none of these even see the irish Nationwide documentary on RTE last week!? I give up

Tax Slave it would appear the Answer Is a Resounding YES.

Yes David, and who reduced unemployment to 5pc ????

Great idea Rob, no better than gangsters the shower in power at the minute!

Seeing as FF were in power, I would have thought the government were responsible. But I guess FF don’t take any responsibility for bringing a country to its knees.

Except all the times they destroyed the country’s economy.economic war 1930s, financial mess 1980s and of course turning the Celtic tiger into the greatest mess we’ve ever had while bankrupting the country and breaking all their economic promises from 07 2008. The new definition of insanity: voting for fianna fail over and over again and expecting different results…
Last time they were any use was under lemass.

I think this says more about Enda Kenny than anything else. Was it only around 10 days ago that he was standing in the Dáil telling us about the great deal his people had secured for us? 1 week later, the party that committed the biggest crime on its people you could ever imagine, is topping the opinion polls. This must be as bad as it gets Enda. A man of principle and honour would resign immediately.

@Alan
You beat me to it. And if they get elected again, we’ll be wondering why we are up sh*t creek without a paddle…AGAIN! :/

@rodrigo detriano Do u think FG would not have shifted the debt onto the Irish People ?/. Do u think they would have followed icelandic approach – and let banks go .??
some new part is needed – and quck – and get away from civil war politcs —
hopefully enough to elect a new party .

And what has the alternative achieved Tony??

Absolutely none whatsoever Paul but this article relates to FF. FG are whole different story again but suffice to say they’ll most probably be in the same position after the next election

2003 with a whole lot more debt.

@Dillon how about reposting your comment that everybody applauded and was shockingly censored???
It sums up what everyone says about no open press in Ireland

I’ll second that Bob, Dillon please repost… It should never have been deleted.

I didn’t see it but now really want to. Let’s have it.

It’s actually a 4 point plan as they were pointless to begin with.

They actually ruined the country twice – Dev’s Trade War during the 1930s. And we forgave them back then as well returning them to power in 1937. FF support is like a malignant tumour that can never be fully removed.

FF have ruined this country more than once and yet they got back into power why couldn’t it happen again?

Yup good plan, we have to stop this happening. People come on really, why?

That’s a great idea and would be really worth while to get something organised in time for the local elections. A leafleting campaign would be great and not overly expensive, once people were prepared to distribute them. I’m in!

Here.

@youdontknowme – I definitely don’t know you, because no one I know is stupid enough to vote FF back in.

Well they were foolish enough to vote fg in and foolish enough to vote sf into better position. I did get more green then red thumbs so we the logical people are out there. Sure ff have made huge f ups but really does anyone think fg would not have marched country off a cliff?? Doing quite a nice job of it as is.

Ff actually have the best experience to get us out of this. My views in sticking to them :) anyone who calls people idiots for a political view well they are the easy manipulatied. Those that think clearly or have ANY bit of intelligence or know what they were talking about would see that FG wanted more tax breaks and lower stamp duty because as they put it the housing market in the 00s was held back from faster growth. Seems amazing that people forget that.

I did!

It has ever been thus. Enda-the-school-teacher never had any plan worth taking seriously. We need to vote left to get out of this horrible cycle in which we are ruled by market leeches who are bleeding us dry.

Petr this wasant a bad plan

1. Help protect and create jobs
2. Keep taxes low while fixing the deficit;
3. Deliver smaller, better government;
4. Create a completely new, fairer, more efficient health system; and
5. Overhaul the way our political system works to stamp out cronyism

it makes me sad to hear the way rabbite and others say that you have to lie to get elected. If even the first point had been put in place our economy would have been on the road to recovery but as I said when they got in they failed miserably

From your lips to heavens ears…

Actually it’s in Connaught Ulster and Leinster! If you are going to bitter, at least be factual!

What are you talking about? Where in the country were all the grassroots voting FF in even during the last election? Dublin doesn’t even have a FF TD since Lenihan passed. Get your facts straight before you come out with that idiotic bogman statement.

FF: an organisation that should be banned. I’m glad my city (Dublin) is not infected with a FF TD, and long may that continue.

Brian, I was thinking the same thing recently. A Green / PD Party could emerge (with of course the green element doing fxxk all following the election )

And we definitely dont deserve the two traitor party’s of FF/FFG…. That would be total destruction of whats left of our country.

With Bertie as special advisor!

There is data out there that says people want to be and do the same as everyone else so FF have grabbed this are running with it Doubt they’ll get the over the hurdle when it comes to the next election

FG/Lab – bad job yes – Corrupt No – that’s FF main agenda

@Elrat Are you say James Reilly is not corrupt??? If so, you might want to do some research

Not true… Ever hear of a little thing called the Smithwick Tribunal? FG have had their fair share of corruption too. At least FF expelled those found guilty of corruption in Mahon.. Some of those implicated in Smithwick are still members of cabinet.

FF would stand-up to the Unions too. Reforms were inevitable.

FF caved in to the unions time and time again, especially in the 97 – 07 governments. That’s how they bought the 2002 and 2007 elections.

Amen to that Carly….SF all the way .We can’t afford to have FF/FG/LAB in power much longer….our kids will be rooting thru rubbish dumps if this keeps up.

@Carly you don’t know a lot do you ? SF for your information never was in power and under Gerry Adams never will be because he does not want power! that would mean abandoning the populist rhetoric they preach if he brings SF into government, SF talk out of both sides of there mouth totally opposed to austerity in the south and while they in government in the north they vote for cuts of up to €3bn which includes a property tax of £1,500 on some properties.

Oliver read a history book…. Start at the first Dail .

Oliver your talking some plop there now lad who’s talking out both sides of their mouth now.Westminister controls the budget in the North the fiscal measures taken up there would be lot worse if Sinn Fein were not power sharing and if you pay for services in the North you get them.As for Sinn Fein not wanting power to Govern Ireland go out and vote for them in the next election and put them in a tight spot i dare you .You wont though because your afraid they will get in and all your populist critical nonsense will be irrelevant.Every party except Independents would not like Sinn Fein in Government because they would show the completely corrupt whipping boy sellout attitude of the rest of them .FG FF L as Laurel used to say to Hardy its another fine mess you got me into.90 years of 3 party rule and a Banker owns our country and poverty steaming down the line.Nice .

Well if Westminster does control the finances in the north why do SF implement them they can oppose them you know, stop talking bullshit lads FF are top i know the truth hurts :)

Gerry Adams was a MP for north Belfast for near on 20 years if not more. He claimed a wage and expenses whole never having sat in his seat for a single solitary hour… If I worked in a shop and said it was against my beliefs to actually show up I wouldn’t be long getting the old P45. Now he’s a TD for a constituency he doesn’t even reside in… He’s not the angel he’s made out to be. Especially when you have people like Dolores Price coming out and saying he was indeed involved in paramilitary organisations.

If SF were in govt for a month this country would be on its knees. It’s all fair and well preaching populism from the opposition benches its quite something to do the same from the other side of the house. In the last 3 years they have yet to produce a costed budget proposal. The reason for this is because they even know themselves that what they’re selling won’t wash. Simple as.

They were in power. All the time when the Magdalene landureys were running and the state new about and supported it who was in power at that time Fianna Fáil who was in power when the church sex scandal was happing Fianna Fáil ok

Back in power?

I think you should read your history books more carefully, the current SF are around since 1970.

But not in power

The people of what country26 county’s or the 32 county all the people of Ireland is. The 32county and While ye were in power ye did not give a care what was gone on in the 6 county ‘s.

Completely agree Mark. Micheal’s determination to deliver party reform coupled with pragmatic and sensible opposition is why FF’s support continues to grow.

Does not bother me what SF are at they never destroyed the country like FF have.

What other alternative is there when faced with a homes tax and water charges? (p.s. I support cuts to spending)

I support taxing the rich.

Taxing wealth is part of my proposal. But I concede; it’s not the only solution to all our woes. We should roll back tax breaks on the top 10 per cent such as:

-tax rebates on company cars
-group company tax breaks
- tax anomalies
-tax reliefs

No they just have the blood of thousands of Irish people on their hands.

Donncha …

Can we have it on record then, that there is no way FF would ever consider going into Government with SF …

“No they just have the blood of thousands of Irish people on their hands.”

I assume that because you believe your statement so strongly, that if your party leader made an offer to SF, that you would leave FF immediately … because, if you believe what you wrote here, then obviously, unless you have zero morals, you could not even consider that scenario .. a SF/ FF government…

please respond, so that everyone can see what you stand for.

@cal as a FF politician, honesty is not a strongpoint. Therefore he will not truthfully answer a question. Typical.

@ Donnacha Maguire
If we take that stance we would vote for none of them.

@Donnacha Do Fianna Fail and Fine Fael not have thousands of blood on their hands and we will not even go back to the 1920s, but more recently how many innocent defenceless people have FF FG LAB murdered by savagely cutting essential services in order to pay Goldman Sachs, Duetchebank, JP Morgan and other investment banks??

Thousands of blood? I’m not sure if that’s how blood is measured.

Frankly I find Fianna Fáil on 27% more freighting then shin Féin 20% ok two can play at that game.

You said it yourself, you don’t know a lot about politics. Maybe if you want change or whatever you’re after you should learn a bit about politics, then decide how you’ll vote.

What I’m saying is there’s nothing there to choose from! You don’t need to be Einstein to figure that out. Why pick the best of a bad bunch when the best is rubbish too…

*their

Pure lies¡ these fools are fooling nobody! Opinion poll? my hole!

You’d wanna be a complete numbskull to swallow everything the media feeds you! My opinion is Fianna Fail will never be the most popular party in the country!

So you want, no TD to earn more than the average industrial wage and also want to give them no expenses? So how is a TD from Kerry or Mayo or any other place not within commuting distance from Dublin going to get by? I agree about the separation of church and state, but the majority of points are ridiculous.

Keith Fealy,
No other group of workers gets expenses for just turning up for the job they are expected to perform. I have to travel for work and I plus lots of other people don’t get expenses to travel long distances to work. Politicians are preaching about fairness and equality in the so called National Interest then the same politicians should be the first to stand up and be counted but as usual the majority of TD’s go quiet when expenses gets mentioned.

No other party wants to abolish the homes tax or water charges.

No other party contains Terrorists.

You sir are the real Terrorists as like a real terrorists you hid your face .

That is the least on my mind right now because I am faced with impending water charges and a tax on my home. I support cutting spending.

http://www.thejournal.ie/dessie-ellis-ira-murders-733096-Dec2012/

Having said that, this poll highlights the need for a new political party in my opinion.

Here here!! No party with an armed past should be allowed in politics imo.

@ff4sean
I think a bit of history will show you both FF and FG have an armed past ,
from michael collins , to dev , to charlie haughey and his secret deals with the RA ,

Exactly Seamus!

Dont ff and fg both have a armed past????

Peter people in this country at the moment are sick to the teeth of hearing that comment about SF if u consider them terrorists what do u think of FF , FG and labour they all played their parts in taking this country to where were are at the moment

I also believe they are terrorists! :-)

@ff4sean a nice representative of modern FF. you do not know your history my son. That is the problem with FF. To summarise your comments it’s all about getting into power and F**k the people once your there.

Peter Griffin no just Conmen.

Yes Peter Economic Terrorists.

SF & DDI will probably be the final result. Because no one in their right mind would ever consider “corrupt ff” as a possible vote, they’ve destroyed this country, Everyone knows that.

Dream on Slap. Dream on…

Slap,
How many candidates will DDI run in the next election?
They will need to get 40+ TD’s into the Dail in 2-3 years. Considering the only place I see them mentioned, is here on the Journal. Won’t they need to get a media campaign going soon to start to get noticed?
How will they find this campaign? It doesn’t come cheap. Or do you think word of mouth will be enough?
The last Government limited the amount of funding individuals can give to a party or candidate. Large political donations were stopped. This is what the public wanted.
But where does that leave a new party? How do they get off the ground.
The people wanted donations to end, and the consequence is no new parties will emerge. This is our lot.
A nice new website won’t do it. You need to get noticed before you will storm the Dail. Not going to happen in 2-3 years I’m afraid.

Would not like to see it but would not be surprised. But I can’t see S/F lowering themselves to F/F Standards. I mean we would never be that unlucky,,, would we.

Donnacha you will toe the party line , if meehole says ff are to go into coalition with SF , U will accept that and U know ,
FF and FG supporters should be ashamed of themselves ……………………………..Corrupt to the core the lot of yeh, and neither give a monkies about the people of Ireland , only interested in lining your own pockets

@Sean.

I don’t follow what the leader tells me what to do. If you don’t believe me, that’s your choice.

So, folks, we have heard it here first … This FF TD will go against the party leader, if the Party as a whole decide to go into power with SF …
Donnacha … Thanks for the reply and clarification.

In the meantime, when you talk about the war in the North, can you please remember, your Party supplied the first modern guns to the IRA. FF are hypocrites, when they say they cant support SF, when it was FF that made the IRA a viable entity in 1970. Your party have their hands thick in the blood of innocents.

Now, i pose the next logical question to you … Is it not extremely hypocritical of you to complain about all the deaths that you attribute to SF, when in reality, it WAS FF that supplied the first modern guns etc in 1969/70 to the ‘Terrorists’.
Can i assume, that given that you are so moralistic, you will immediately resign from FF … as i am sure that no morally right thinking person )like yourself) would want to have the blood of thousands on their hands…. ?

Now, here is what i am really interpreting ….. You have a personal conscience on some matters, but like your Party leader, you don’t feel guilty enough to resign …. am i right? All the corruption of FF, Moriarty and Mahon Tribunals, 1000’s of people having committed suicide because of the disastrous policies that your party lead this country on … Noe of that would make you want to resign, even though it only stopped 2 years ago …
None of that would make you want to resign…
What would make you resign from FF … what would actually make you stand in front of the people and say … on good conscience, i can longer support the FF party …. What exactly are the red-line items for you as a human being? When you are talking to YOUR God…. what makes you think to yourself… should i not publicly declare to the Irish people that FF are the cause of 1000’s of unnecessary deaths… untold hardship … emigration…
At what point, after what extra damage, would you not in good conscience… say to the people… “Enough is enough… FF is a cancer and is killing the Irish people, slowly and painfully .. “

@Cal1.. Im not sure who you think I am but I am not a TD, or any other type of public representative. If the time comes whereby Fianna Fail has enough of a mandate to enter into coalition with another party to form a government, then a special Ard Fheis will be called to make this decision using a OMOV system. I like every other paid up member will have a vote. As I have said previously, I would vote against going into coalition with Sinn Fein. This has nothing to do with going against the party leader.

No it is not hypocritical of me, as Fianna Fail did not supply any guns etc, it was members of Fianna Fail who did this. I am not accountable for the personal actions of members of the party who decide to do something off their own bat.

I will not be resigning from Fianna Fail. You can continue on with your theatrics for as long as you want and attempt to smear the thousands of good, honest people who continue their membership of Fianna Fail to this day.

However, you ignore the simple reality that Fianna Fail will continue to exist as long as those people continue to be members and as long as Irish people give it an electoral mandate at elections. You can continue to get angry over that on online discussion fora or you can get off your computer, join a political party and try and change people’s minds. Your choice!

@Donnacha Keyboard warriors the lot of them they wouldn’t know what canvassing was or wrkn on ground for the local community if it came up and bit them on the ass. All they good for is throwing insults coming on here with baseless allegations and not able to back it up when pushed on it.

Well said Donnacha. Also, the spelling and punctuation in comments here is atrocious!!

agree with your point, Brian, – it may well be a factor in the drop in support for FG.

Yeah, keep your heads down! Agree with everything FG says and does like a good little opposition party! Shams the lot of ye in FF!

I know you’ll say you would fight for a FF majority but if you had to chose SF, FG or Labour what would your preference be?

When you say “work hard” does that mean cosying up to the next generation of developers in time for a return to power? Fianna Fáil is a cancer on the body politic of Ireland and I wouldn’t get too smug. Ye might be at a quarter but remember there’s a huge majority if this country who will vote for whoever it takes to stop your evil, corrupt, inept party from finishing off the job of destroying our Republic.

Abolish property tax and water charges by compensating with spending cuts to entitlements, grants, wages, subsidies and a wealth tax. All the taxes in the world won’t lead to prosperity if we don’t cut spending. We need to become a low-tax, low-spend economy.

Where did you say cut TDs wages and crazy pension s after 2 years in power .

“Agree with everything FG says and does like a good little opposition party!”

Fine Gael has continued a more severe line of policy than FF would have implemented regards cuts in expenditure and tax hikes. I know for a fact if we went to oppose everything this government is trying to do we would be branded hypocrites and fakes.

I’d rather we were hated for agreeing with our own policy than be branded hypocritical for opposing for the sake of opposition.

You just can’t win sometimes!

If you’ve destroyed the country and handed it’s sovereignty away just a few years ago, then yes, you can’t win. Now have some respect for FF’s victims and show some contrition.

Hate to say it Luke but as things stand at present it would have to be S/F. At least we know from their history the are murderers / gangsters / extortionists / conmen. The rest of them are only Conmen.

Do you know what social democracy even means?

For once Fiachra, me and you agree totally.
This poster reminds me of someone else that didn’t quite understand the differences between left and right.
He’s describing the policies of the Tea party members in the US, while claiming to be a social democrat.

Abolishing the homes tax and water charges is social democracy. I also support a wealth tax, reducing tax breaks on the top 10 per cent, legalizing the oldest profession in the world, legalize abortion, cut the pay of senior and retiree ministers, “quangos”, professors, etc.

All FF did on most was just talk – no action.

As much as I don’t want to agree with Fiachra, he’s right that Regonald doesn’t seem to know what social democracy is.

You cannot make a transition to socialism without progressive measures first. A policy of “don’t cut me” is no longer doable, I’m afraid. The circumstances have changed for the worse and the best we can expect is reductions to entitlements in return for abolition of property tax and water charges. This would help the many thousands of government dependents who would otherwise be hit with this home tax. I support a wealth tax in conjunction with these measures. I also support a cap on high earners in the civil service, rolling back tax breaks on the top 10 pr cent, cutting state funds to private schools, standardizing discretionary tax reliefs, ensure that all companies pay a minimum of 12.5% corporation tax, and abolishing tax anomalies.

Rightfully yours that’s the attitude and arrogance show by you f’fers that sank this country and handed away our sovereignty let someone else clean up your mess have the cheek to gripe about hang your head in shame you traitors

Getting a drivers license is now ~ impossible (thanks to FF)
Property tax and water charges need to be abolished
Government spending should be cut
High pensions taxed
Tax breaks cut

@ff4sean learn how to spell first.

@ sean What is rightfully yours? Why will you be voting ff? And why do you have a photo of Sean Gallagher with a grappling hand? (There are no more envelopes) Sean Gallagher tried to convince the electorate during the presidential election he had severed all contact with ff. so what is it ff or independent.

With regards getting a drivers license being difficult – it should be. Look at the consistant road deaths lowering year on year – that policy is one of the many reasons why this is happening!

Traffic enforcement is the only way to reduce casualties – not nonsense bureaucracy of having to pay ~ €480 for compulsory driving lessons. How about this: Let’s force everyone to undergo “compulsory driving lessons” every 10 years when the renew their license – you’re happy with that Sean?

Abolish the requirement for “approved instructors” at the very least. Young people are being penalized to keep a big government which should never been expanded the way it was before the ’07 election.