State getting fleeced again. Possibly 100k dearer than most places in the country!!!

It’s not irrelevant when he says –

“there should be an isolated community of them some place – and give them houses and keep them all together”

He doesn’t sound too concerned about paying for houses there…

@mart_n Sorry I meant the fact that the family that the council are buying the house for are travellers is irrelevant. One wouldn’t want any family notorious for anti-social behaviour living near them. I do not stand by McEniff’s comments at all.

Fair enough Sarah, but do you agree with what he said.. the bit I quoted above?

It seems like a needlessly insensitive and inflammatory thing to say. By all means, speak about specifics but saying stuff like ‘keep them all together in an isolated community’ doesn’t do any side a favor.

@mart_n Absolutely do not agree with that at all! Segregation gets society nowhere.

@ Christine Bohan – Not even a reply, just delete my comment asking you a question?

@ John duggan
Talk to joe & just tell him you are from clontarf, sorted….

@ Conor we’re being fleece! they’re crippling us with taxes everywhere and they still don’t value money. Who ever you are, if you are antisocial with a track record, a house is the last thing you should be getting, jail more like.

@ mart, they are already isolated, and they choose and prefer that.

The cheek of the bugger given the amount of broken homes and ruined families that his party have left behind. I’d prefer to have all the inhabitants of Mountjoy move in around my home that the likes of him and his friends.

couldn’t agree more Kevin, they are a disgrace and what is worse, they’re exploits abroad do nothing for the countries image.

Kevin, you are a FF supporter, am i right? Please be honest…

Here here

Yeah, the travelers are ruining our image with foreign people. Not the inherent bigotry shown by the populace at large.. or the fact that our Taoiseach is well known for making ‘n!gger’ jokes.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2002/sep/15/world.race

John, I had the same experience with an Irish family… no word of a lie, so lets brand all Irish people the same. People are quick to jump and brand everyone the same. Individual families need to dealt with accordingly, but do not go and label an entire race of people the same.

Cal1
If you know an Irish family that had caravans on the lawn, and horses in the houses, then I’d take a flying leap that they might actually have been travelers (in disguise)?

Possibly somewhere near clonshaugh, close to cara park halting site perhaps?

He’s absolutely spot on in everything he says, I have lots of experience of varying traveller families living close to me and they’ve all been bad experiences.

He has 45 years experience, if any of the halting sites I pass by are anything to go by then 45 seconds are enough to give me the same opinion.
Just because they are a “minority group” does not give them the right to treat the countryside as a dump, avoid taxes, scrounge off the state and add nothing to this country (except rubbish). Feckin bunch of wasters!

I am disgusted at how so many people on this thread have lumped all of the traveller people into the same bucket and branded them all with the same broad brush strokes, based on the isolated examples of a few bad apples. The whites in America, branded all balck people the same until Martin Luther King.

You people in support of these comments, make me sick. The sooner that Ireland brings in clear laws to prosecute you racists, the better. Its a minority of travellers who have abused the system, but you blame the entire race. Please grow up and stop these general accusations that have resulted from a few individual cases.

Its like saying EVERYONE from FF is corrupt, based on the examples of FF leaders over the last 20 years. Its not right and not appropriate.

Ehmm, sorry to burst your bubble there Mooney but it’s not based on isolated incidents. The isolated incidents are where they have behaved in a manner befitting a human being.

Cal1 mooney.
What age are you – 12?

My god, now I know us Irish are racist, we learn nothing from other countries who have persecuted minorities. I thought we were better. People are so narrow minded. These poor people are doomed.

Ok racism does not equate to being disgusted by the terrible behaviour by the vast majority of a certain group. If anyone of any race /ethnic / minority group, steal, disrespect defraud me i wont be very tolerant or accommodating and will certainly have a dislike for them. This does not make me a racist! So please do not be so quick to use this word.

Well said Rob.

Not buying “it’s only a minority of people” , can’t be the same people all over the country robbing copper from houses , pony and traps on the roads, bareknuckle fights etc, etc . When they start behaving like normal people maybe then they might be accepted but until then its just not going to happen

What sickens me is the high moral ground and PC attitude of FF colleagues and Sinn Fein. The man speaks the honest truth. Where else in the world is anti social behaviour rewarded ? The house will no doubt end up being burnt down and guess what ? we will buy them another one !

And their not travellers!

Wow, an honest politician , very rare..

The Lads in the Pub say they will do business with you if the Piebald Pony is better looking than McEniff.

Vincent, i am with you on this … Politics shouldn’t come into this discussion. I understand that the UN has told Ireland that it must address the fact that travellers are a minority race in Ireland, and must be attributed rights accordingly. Some individual families have given the commenters on here the right to go and label an entire race of people as home wreckers etc. This is just sick in my opnion. Its not all FF people either by the way.

Tell us all about your experiences of travellers cal, tell us about all the good things they do and contribute to society, I’m genuinely interested.

Jim,

Tell me about your experiences with FF. Tell me how they helped this society. I ask this, beacuse, i know the majority of people on this thread are FF, because, i checked a couple of profiles, and some of them had links to FF. Should we drive FF out of the country?

My last comment was meant tongue in cheek .. it was meant to reflect that not all FF voters are corrupt, self-serving pigs. You cant label all people the same.

You won’t find FF anywhere on my page cal, now can you please try and answer the question I asked you?

@ Petr
Do same said robes and hats come out any time catholicism is mentioned on Journal.ie?

Just because someone is a liberal does not mean that they turn a blind eye to anti social behavior. It is difficult to see an alternative perception to a community when you have overwhelmingly seen a bad side. That is just humans.
I dont care who you are. Everyone is prejudice, against Catholicism, against Irish, English, hipsters, whatever their gripe is.
If you say your not, your only lying to yourself. discrimination is a natural faculty of the mind. You discriminate against certain products. You would probably rather tayto than king’s.
If you dont believe you have discriminate personality ,go and buy a beef burger from Tesco.

Obviously they have wifi on your planet. Outrageous comment!

Rob, i shared a house abut 3 years ago with a Nigerian couple. Honestly, they were lovely and no scamming. When i told people i was sharing with Nigerians, they thought i was crazy. Please do not give in to the ‘ Lynch mob’ attitude.

His personal opinion is the same as a majority of us, he has the balls to state it, fair play to him!!!!!!

He shouldn’t have to excuse his comments at all.
He’s elected by the public and he’s speaking for them.
We all know what will happen to that house.
Time and time again.

Jim, if one family have totally abused the system, they should be dealt with accordingly.. That family. To go after an entire race of people because of one family, or a few bad experinces sticks of out and out racism. Deal with each case on its own merits. The traveller community are part of the Irish fabric. For people to make generic comments about an entire race of people is sick. Hitler comes to mind. He wanted all trvavellers and Jews to be exterminated. Do you agree with his sentiments?

What’s really funny is that we’re paying for that house. Also the vast majority support his comments yet the tiny minority will make sure he is punished. Whatever happened to majority rules!

@cali

Godwins Law…..

Blacks didn’t steal my laptop from my car outside Woodies DIY

Blacks didn’t steal copper hot water cylinders from my place of business

Blacks didn’t assault me with a 2 x 4 outside same place of business

Oh, and that was just in 2012

@Strongbow.
The Irish State is not biased against Travellers. The Irish State spends more per capita on Travellers than it does on any other section of Irish society. How is this bias? 92% of Traveller community in Ireland get state unemployment benefits from cradle to the grave. Can anybody name another nation (apart from UK) where you can get social welfare benefits for your whole adult life until you die? If anything they don’t know how good they have it in Ireland.

You’re right, settled culture has been imposed on travellers to a certain extent. But it is also true that they have embraced parts of the state that changed them. If they were to reject settled Ireland in its entirety there could be some honesty in their position between two cultures, but they don’t. Clean up after yourself, take care of your local environment, settled culture, don’t oppress me with your culture! Pay your way, get an education and a job, sexual equality, send your kids to school, have car insurance, pay tax etc. ditto. But dole, free housing, free medical, yeah those are grand and in fact I demand them and contribute nil. There are exceptions and everyone should be open to acknowledging them, but experience tells us they are very much the exception.

So an opinion based on experience make you a bigot? They’re not an ethnic majority, they’re people who choose to live in caravans at the expense of the state.

If you don’t think his comment was bigoted John you don’t understand the meaning of the word. It’s clear bigotry and those who support it are supporting bigotry.

John,

Most muggings in Dublin are carried out by Dubliners… does that give us the right to say that all Dubliners should be evicted?
I am going to break the rule on brining the holocaust into any argument, but Hitler gassed so many Travelers during the second world war and people stood idly by, because they were ‘accepted’ as somehow being less than human, going by the comments on here tonight , the same mind-set is alive and well in Ireland today. I am sick.
When people talk about the holocaust, they think of the Jews being murdered. They want to forget, the ‘Gypsies’ suffered the same fate as the jews, but its almost eradicated from our history books.

John, who to believe.. yourself or geneticists that concur that they are in fact an ethnic group.. tough one that.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/dna-study-travellers-a-distinct-ethnicity-156324.html

Even if they aren’t a distinctly ethnic group, painting the all with the one brush is moronic and intrinsically bigoted. Tell yourself otherwise until you’re blue in the face, but when the UN and a multitude of human rights groups say otherwise I’d be inclined to listen to them sooner than the rantings and ravings of idiots on the internet.

Ireland has no right to moan about human rights abuses in other countries while its people are guilty of ignoring it themselves.

Most muggings in Dublin are committed by dubs, true. But it would be stupid to say most dubs are muggers unless the majority of dubs a person met were in fact muggers. If that was the case, that 80%+ of the dubs you met were muggers, you could be forgiven for avoiding contact with dubs, but that is not the case.
I have known and met lots of travellers. Hundreds. Three had ever worked a day in their life, and fair play to them, and fair play to everyone who makes a genuine effort to contribute to society by respecting their surroundings, their neighbours and taking their job as a parent and a citizen seriously, regardless of culture, race or whatever. In my experience that was very few among the travellers I’ve known and met.

We’re tired of political correctness and demagogues

Michale, i see on other thread you defend FF to the hilt… Based on your input here now, can i now take it, that FF are going after all travellers in order to garner votes at the next election?

http://www.thejournal.ie/irish-government-poll-coalition-752405-Jan2013/?utm_source=shortlink

Mags in all fairness he IS representing what the vast majority of his constituents think. And I agree with his sentiments.

He’s not in the Dail. He’s a councilor. His type are a dime a dozen. Parish pump politics at its finest. The Healy-Rae’s will be kicking themselves that they didn’t come out with it first.

No comparison to Healy Rea. The man has the balls to call a spade a spade. Healy Rea is just a wind bag.

@Tony

Clearly you don’t understand the definition of racism either. The Travelling community is just that, a community. It isn’t an independent race. It isn’t a separate ethnic minority. It is simply a self-segregated community which has chosen to live in a different manner and behave in a different manner than the rest of Irish society.

Now I know many people will jump on the “all Irish are racist” card which is itself a hypocritical statement. But the fact is that travellers are considered a negative segment of society in Ireland, the UK, the US and surprisingly even the Netherlands. Clearly there is more than just an Irish problem here. Is it a problem with the above societies? They all have one thing in common. All have multiple actual races and ethnicities living within their borders and generally racism isn’t a major issue in them. So clearly there is more at work here than just simple discrimination.

I’m sure nobody will object to your first request. !

Alot

If you need to ask that them you have zero experience of travellers.

Go on give us the punch line! What is the difference between travellers and settled people?

A testament to our education system.