Nice one Aoife. some People should learn a bit of compassion toward others, even if their views doesn’t match theirs.

Its only reduces your 3% chance of getting it to 1% but exposing yourself to numerous woeful side effects. Narcolepsy and seizures and possibly death. Not worth it… Get some vitamin D3. 100% more effective

I agree Ed. All these vaccines do is make corporations richer and take in more revenue

I don’t believe in flu vaccination. That’s My view.

fair enough,
have to say i was the same with the swine flu vaccine and i don’t get the flu injection myself.

Why?

Same here.

Know a few healthy people who rearly get ill, that got the vaccine just incase 2 years ago.Now prone to bouts of colds, migranes and sleepless nights. Weeks off work and look terrible every other day.

I have a young nephew who got violently sick after his shot last year. He used to be so responsive and quick at picking things up. That has dramatically been reduced. He had been to many doctors and they can only narrow it down to the shot as there is no history of any illness in either families.

Not saying its the vaccine,

But you are strongly implying…

Jason. There is no question but that post of yours is a total lie. Even the phraseology indicates that. The gross exaggeration that they now “look terrible every other day”. It’s not even a good lie. It’s the sort of lie a troll makes up.

Tom, I asked you a simple question, would you call out those money hungry fire-fighters if your house was on fire? :)

Tom Rooney, still no meaningful credible responses I see.

Your accusing others of not thinking about issues but what your decisions are based on are not in anyway reliable and so far the only source you’ve posted is by a guy who has no medical education and his video even clearly says it is NOT medical advice and nobody else has approved it.

At this stage your posts are just a farce I’m afraid,

William, I’ve heard about them firemen!

Its all a conspiracy, the firemen work in conjunction with the fire safety company’s to sell us stuff we don’t need like smoke detector! Did you know that smoke detectors have radioactive material in them, I’m not having that stuff in my house that stuff causes cancer!

I know one chap who got a bunch of smoke detectors in his house and then got cancer three months later, that proves its true and they cause cancer beyond doubt.

its all a big con, I know another guy that has no smoke detectors and he’s never had cancer or a fire in his house,

Is this the same WHO that people are referring to on here. the same WHO , who omitted results from fluoride reports so as to give bias opinion in their favour
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http://www.infowars.com/who-admits-omitting-fluorides-damaging-health-effects-to-prevent-controversy/
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And I’m sure we are all well aware that fluoride is also one on the main active ingredients in modern day pestersides that most of you daily intake of food is sprayed with, and also in toothpaste. Do you actually know how much fluoride you are taking in on a day by day basis.
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the WHO have also been linked to many cover ups including child deaths from using vaccines.
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Its also worth noting that any heavy metal / radiaion / ect that naturally occurs in our bodies or water systems is very different from the man produced versions that are used making medicines. In-fact a lot of medicines are occurring naturally and are then synthesised so as to mass produce them.
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I would be very weary of using any man made product unless I really needed it

Now Barry, lets wait for that master logician Tom to point out the flaws in your well conceived quackery.

The WHO have been involved in cover ups ? Jesus Simon, you trying to steal the good Lord Tom’s quack crown ? Assertion w/o evidence. If you’re so weary of “man made products”, you better get off the PC, as I’m pretty sure it’s not ‘natural’. Nor is your house, or running water, or farming come to think of it. Better give them up to

Simon, this is the second post here (see Tom) claiming that radiation used in medicine is different from “naturally occurring radiation” or “fall out radiation”. Could you explain that? If you can you are well on your way to a Nobel Prize. :))))

Perhaps you can be clearer in pointing out where the WHO “omitted results so as to give a bias”. I can’t see in your posts any such thing.

Fluoride is used in pesticides and in drinking water but so is water, i.e. water is in water supplies AND in pesticides. So?

“I would be very weary of using any man made product unless I really needed it” is such a daft sentence that it beggars belief.

William your only fooling yourself you know.
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man made radiation is different from naturally occurring or back ground radiation and is different by its measurement of intensity or dose you get. we can happily live our daily lives with background radiation that’s how we’ve adapted.
Heavy metals naturally occurring are also different from man made ones. plenty of research and evidence on the internet if you can be bothered to read up on it.
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and I swear blind I provided a link to the an extract straight from the WHO themselves that states they omitted results from certain areas on fluoride so as to prevent controversy. so basically they delete parts from the report.
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As to not using man made products I am of course keeping it in context of the article and referring to vaccinations and the like ie medical. I have been down that road before and had swine flu vaccinations offered to my child only to see reports on how children have been linked to narcolecpys by the HSE only very recently . I am glad that I choose not to accept the vaccination even though it was strongly recomposed that I did. For all I know that number could now be 31 cases. who know ???

http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0201/swineflu.html
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At the end of the day it is a personal choice to whether you take these vaccinations or not. But a lot of people will take them just because they are told to. Go back to the 40′s & 50′s and people used to drink radium as a health product, and put it on their faces as cream. They were told its was good for them, I bet there were even organisations or people like you that advocated it.
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Imagine what we will be looking back at in 50 years time saying, god did we really used to use that. Again you just never know. you just have to try and make the best decision you can with the information you have to hand. And there is plenty of controversy over the use of Fluoride, aspartame and vaccines that warrant further investigation
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Here is a nice article on WHO cover up of the H1N1 virus and possibly that they were using it to sell vaccines.

Interesting to note that the independent committee they were setting up actually included one of their own, who actually has ties to the manufacturing of the vaccine. Now that’s a massive conflict of interest in my books and also in direct opposition of an independent committee.
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but hey there the WHO.. we sheep believe everything they report on eh !!!!!
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http://stevenjohnhibbs.wordpress.com/2010/04/13/world-health-organization-appoints-h1n1-cover-up-committee/
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Simon, “man made radiation is different from naturally occurring or back ground radiation and is different by its measurement of intensity or dose you get”. OK you are being a bit more specific but still nowhere near making any sense. The greatest dose of radiation you get is probably from radioactive material in your body and maybe Radon. If you’re a pilot you get a higher dose from being so far up in the atmosphere. BUT the radiation is EXACTLY the same as what you get from the results of nuclear testing or an X-Ray. No matter where it comes from radiation danger is related to dose and under a certain level is not dangerous. The radiation treatment for cancer is safe because it is designed to be. While there is a small chance that it might induce cancer, that risk is negligible in comparison to the benefit brought by curing the cancer.

Heavy metals are “not different from man made ones”. That doesn’t even make any sense.

This extract from the WHO you claim proves they are covering up…can you copy and paste here the sentence or paragraph you are referring to?

I’m afraid your conclusions about narcolepsy are ill informed and premature. No one knows what the situation here is. It’s possible contact with flu virus causes it, if it occurred at all in the first place. However the tiny number of children pales into insignificance in comparison to the benefits. Children are dying of Whooping Cough and Measles because their parents didn’t get them vaccinated. Do you want your children sterilised, made deaf or die because you decided you know more than medically trained doctors and scientists? I’m afraid we are back to you putting your children forward for a Darwin Award.

Your last two paragraphs about radium are just nonsense and there isn’t any controversy WHATSOEVER among the scientific, medical or dental communities about Fluoride, the same as there is no controversy among biologists about whether or not evolution occurred irrespective of what creationists claim.

Personally I do not think parents should be given a choice about vaccination as their stupidity causes the death of their children and other people. Vaccination should be compulsory for all children. Not to vaccinate is child abuse. Ignorance is no excuse.

Sorry william where did I say that Heavy metals are “not different from man made ones”. control F the page and your reference is the only one. ( and now the one in this post makes 2). I state that man made heavy metals are different to natural occurring ones.
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You say @The radiation treatment for cancer is safe because it is designed to be@. Now that is just blatently incorrect. Radiation treatment for cancer is far from safe, depending on where the cancer is in the body say for instance in the middle of the brain. Then the radiation has to pass through good brain tissue to get to the bad cancerous cell ultimately killing the good cells. No form of high dose radiation is good for you. But the trade off is sometimes worth it.. You might end up brain damaged but not die. Again its a choice or trade off you have to make.
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The part on the WHO, not sure why you cannot read the link I posted
“At the Chemical Aspects Working Group meeting (Tokyo, 2002), the group was informed that the monograph was being finalized, and there was considerable discussion on various aspects of the draft, including a suggestion that the monograph should not mix discussion on the beneficial use of fluoride with adverse health effects to prevent controversy. The monograph was not discussed at the Guidelines for Drinking-water Quality Working Group meeting (Geneva, 2004). The document is in editing and layout (2005). A presentation to the Working Groups of the WHO Oral Health Programme on the importance of fluoridation was made in 2005.”

The point there being that it was suggested that the monograph mixing beneficial vs adverse should not be discussed and hey ho it was not. surely a report should have both sides discusses otherwise it is deemed bias. this was a quote from the WHO. that also go on to publicly declare on their own website “the Working Group’s members are assured that their comments “will not be posted to the public website.” Well, it seems the WHO not only lies to the world, they lie to their own underlings as well.
surely you spotted that in the link I posted. its what the whole article was about.
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There is a link between the increase number of case of children getting narcolepsey directly after the swine flu vaccination. This is higher then normal level. 30 might be low number to you but tell that to the parents of the children. It was also enough for the HSE to warrant an investigation into the matter. You can’t just brush this under the table. Its not called being ill informed its called getting informed. surely you see the need for an investigation into the matter.
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Last 2 paragraphs on radium just go to show how little you actually know about what your spouting out here, and I’m not surprised it makes no scene to you. Its been well document about radium use ( that’s radioactive material) as a medicinal substance, It was used in cream’s. ointments, drinks, and even in children’s toys.

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While almost everyone recognized the efficacy of radon in water, many felt that the ingestion or application of radium (the parent of radon) would be even more effective. And so, in the 1920s and early 1930s, it was possible to purchase radium-containing salves, beauty creams, toothpaste (radon was thought to fight dental decay and improve the digestion), ear plugs, chocolate bars, soap, suppositories, and even contraceptives.”

(radon was thought to fight dental decay and improve the digestion), now where I have I heard something like that before.
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also read up on this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eben_Byers
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you say there is no controversy but a quick search of the internet provides many such controversies. Also why are you now bringing creationism into a health vaccination discussion. Is this more deflecting from the subject like the out of context reference you made to my man made products. hmmm. You say that there is no medical evidence to prove what I say could be true yet you provide non yourself.
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I have one more question for you with regards to fluoride. How much is your daily intake of Fluoride ?. I would be greatfull if you could answer that, as we know that too much fluoride is dangerous, and man made fluoride is made from heavy metals that are not naturally occurring. Do you know exactly what your level of intake is.
remember that fluoride is present in the coffee beans you drink, the food you eat, toothpaste you use and the water you drink, and all this is put there by man, as well as the natural back ground level that is present . so tell me how close are you to your daily intake of fluoride. ??????

Simon, your sentence, “man made heavy metals are different to natural occurring ones” is nonsense. You seem to have a magic view of reality. Man made chemicals are evil and the exact same but “naturally occurring” chemical is different. That’s not the way the universe works.

Radiation treatment is applied so that the energy is focused on the tumour. The dose that goes through the non tumour is lower than a dangerous dose.

The WHO had a meeting in which they were to publish the benefits of fluoridation and decided to leave out the fact that with EXCESSIVE doses people could get discoloured teeth and you think that’s to create a bias? Massive health benefits and you want them to say that if you eat toothpaste you get discoloured teeth? You’re having us on? That’s like saying Polio vaccines save hundreds of thousands of children’s lives ever year but also mention that some people have been killed on the way to getting the vaccine or some people reported a sore spot where the needle went in. Discoloured teeth v having all your rotten teeth removed.

This problem crops up a lot BECAUSE OF quacks. They removed Thimerosal not because it was dangerous but because it is a compound of Mercury and the quacks used that to spread fear which reduced the uptake and caused deaths. When managing public health unfortunately the quacks have to be taken into account because of the disinformation they spread. Just like you and Tom are doing in this piece.

sorry william can throw facts like that at you all day. this government like to feed us crap in the nature of good for us
http://www.fluoridation.com/c-country.htm

The UK is also looking into the reduction of use of fluoride in pestersides used for storing foods due to the amount of fluoride that is consumed by people on a daily basis.
It was OK 40 50 years ago when dental problem were bountiful and fluoride was not present in toothpaste and foods and pestersides. but things have change and governments have not update the research on the matters.

I know what your probably going to say next is. I’m confusing vaccines with antibiotics. Well not true the mutation of viruses is know antigenic drift, it can also be brought on by the use of vaccines as well as antiseptic wipes gels and sprays just like they use in hospitals.. this is why hospitals have them super bugs. plain soap and water is the best method for not spreading viruses.
a recent sturdy conducted by the Massachusetts Institute of technology has data backing this up, just google antigenic drift.
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also and only just recently in the last few week whooping cough is back in the news after supposedly being eradicated for many years as the new strain is now immune to the current vaccine.
a report from 2010 also backs this up
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http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/whooping-cough-strain-now-immune-to-vaccine/story-e6freuy9-1225828959714
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but hey you think that vaccines should be given to everyone and make it mandatory, force them against their will to take drugs.

well gonna have to leave it there. looks like the Journal are deleting some of my posts relating to the headline. . not sure that anything I have said is outside of their guidelines so have to conclude that what I’m saying is in fact correct and there is a cover up going on here.

maybe the journal would like to enlighten me on why the post was deleted ???

John, a flu vaccine cannot “almost kill you”. It’s impossible. It’s like saying, “he ate an apple and the acid in it burned his tongue off”. It’s nonsense. Your little story is a lie. Unfortunately you are not just taking your chances, you could get the flu and pass it on to some vulnerable person who then dies.

You never had the flu because you benefit from herd immunity of those that have gotten vaccines like your friend “who was almost killed” – more melodramatic nonsense.

To be honest William if your going to conduct scientific research you should not have drunk the coffee after the vaccine. it tends to skew the results by taking 2 different substances and then trying to work out which one did what ..

I wasn’t doing Scientific Research in the coffee shop now was I? I think it was obviously the heat in the coffee.

The heat is from the secret ingredient that pharmaceutical company added. See they are working with a ice-cream manufacturer and hoped you would buy one of their products to cool down. It’s all part of their ploy to generate funds to take over the secret world government.

Jesus! I don’t believe it. You’re spot on. I did buy an ice cream cone. HB are obviously in league with Big Boots. :))

No,been getting flu vaccine for years and I do not get a cold afterward .only had flu once and that was a year I didn’t get the vaccine .

The cold and flu are two different viruses. Flu vaccine doesn’t prevent a cold, you can pick them up as normal.

Just to be sure about this. You CANNOT get a cold from the flu vaccine. It’s impossible.

No, you do not get flu or cold from vaccines.
The most common side effects of the flu vaccine are pretty much the same as the symptoms of the flu, but are not the flu itself. According to the HSE last year.

I fully agree.Education is key.

So Michael, your involved in the QC of vaccines. You know that some have different concentrations of mercury. You are 100% sure its 100% safe. You think vaccines company’s number priority is sales? or are they just there to look after us?. You think they would ever admit the danger? Naive much?

Actually Ed, guess again, I have nothing to do with “the big pharmas”.
There is a danger in giving anything to anyone – the key is to assess that danger. That is what clinical trials are for. Even after the drug is available for use – there is a system of reporting available for use (And is used by every doctor, nurse and pharmacist), when patients report a suspected drug interaction. These claims are reviewed and tested extensively by every pharmaceutical company in the world – and findings are publicly made available on a regular basis.
If you look at what vaccines have already done for this world, you will change your mind – the y have practically cleared MMR – contrary to the efforts of one trying person, TB is now not the norm, Hepatitis is no longer the burden to society that it used to be, Avian Influenza didn’t clean of the worlds population when it was flying around, neither did SARS or the Swine flu.
The flu vaccine is not designed to kill people – it is designed to protect the most vulnerable in our society – would you prefer we left those to fight it off themselves with Vitamin D? Survival of the fittest perhaps? We could perhaps call the non survivors weak – is that what you want? I don’t think so.

Ed, vaccines don’t contain Mercury, they contain a chemical compound that contains Mercury. That compound doesn’t break down in the body, in the same way that water doesn’t break down into Oxygen and Hydrogen in the body, and has been shown in huge studies to be safe, as was to be expected. No one can be 100% sure of anything. There’s even a theory in Science called Gödel’s incompleteness theorems related to that.

You then go on to make statements that are irrelevant, e.g. “You think vaccines company’s number priority is sales”. Ignoring how you would quantify what a company’s “No 1 priority” is, it doesn’t matter. One of Ryanair’s top priorities is profits but that doesn’t in the slightest impinge on safety. Michael O’Leary has stated he doesn’t interfere in the safety regime which is dictated by regulation. Furthermore, a crash or a number of them would bankrupt the company. Ditto companies that make vaccines. In fact there’s not much money in vaccines and most companies have to be encouraged to make them.

As of Monday, contaminated steroids have sickened 105 people with a noncontagious but deadly form of fungal meningitis, while 13,000 people may have been exposed to the contamination. Eight have died. Health officials attribute the outbreak to spinal steroid injections for back pain.

It’s caused by the introduction of colour TV.

Why don’t you go away and consider OTHER causes for the (here’s a tip (often apparent) increase in these diseases). You need to learn to think rather than copy & paste form quack sites. I’ll give you another tip, Cancer is primarily an old person’s disease.

This is the same HSE who kept the shots that they knew gave people Narcolepsy.

Trust them zero %.

That has to be the most stupid comment I have seen on this forum.

There’s a good chance that Alzheimer’s is caused or at least far more likely in those with a junk food diet. It’s been even called Type 3 Diabetes. There’s no link whatsoever with vaccines.

Hey Tom,

I have a job for you on Irish Psychics Live if you’re interested.

Tom, fires are a money spinner for firemen. Do you agree?

what, this info http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/parents/vaccine-decision/ingredients.html

Today, except for some flu vaccines, none of the childhood vaccines used routinely in the United States contain mercury (thimerosal) as a preservative. Although no evidence suggests that there are safety concerns with thimerosal, vaccine manufacturers stopped using it as a precautionary measure. Now it is contained in very tiny amounts only in multi-dose vials of flu vaccine. Thimerosal is necessary in vaccines that come in multi-dose vials because they require that each individual vaccine dose be drawn from the vial with a new needle and syringe. With each needle inserted, there is the potential for introducing microbes into the vial.

There is no evidence of harm caused by the small amounts of thimerosal in flu vaccines, except for minor reactions like redness and swelling at the injection site. Flu vaccines that do not contain thimerosal are available.

Barry said: “…Now it is contained in very tiny amounts only in multi-dose vials of flu vaccine. …”

I’d search PUBMED using the terms “thimerosal” and “brain” to dig up toxicity studies such as this one: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22811707.

Thimerosal-Derived Ethylmercury Is a Mitochondrial To
xin in Human Astrocytes: Possible Role of Fenton Chemistry in the Oxidation and Breakage of mtDNA.

“…Thimerosal generates ethylmercury in aqueous solution and is widely used as preservative. We have investigated the toxicology of Thimerosal in normal human astrocytes, paying particular attention to mitochondrial function and the generation of specific oxidants. We find that ethylmercury not only inhibits mitochondrial respiration … but also … increases the formation of superoxide, hydrogen peroxide, and … hydroxyl radical. … we find a five-fold increase in the levels of oxidant damaged mitochondrial DNA bases …”.

The concentration found toxic for the brain by this research team was 5829.12 ug Thim/L. A vaccine contains 25 μg in 0.5 ml, which is 50000 ug Thim/L, that is 8.5 times HIGHER than what’s kiled these astrocites.

But the HSE are advising that groups of at-risk people to get vaccinated against seasonal influenza. The above study was about healthy adults taking the vaccine – not comparing like with like.

I’m not detracting from the HSE’s advice, as the general advice is if you have flu, stay the hell away from at risk people to avoid passing it on.

My comment was aimed more at the general populace reading this. As this review points out there’s not quite as much benefit for them.
It’s just another cost that a lot of people could afford to go without if they are not in the high risk category.

Bang on Shati, a lot of people are sold health supplements they don’t need. Look at the protein supplements industry. I’m all for a post work-out shake but drinking the stuff every 3 hours?

Oh don’t get me started on protein drinks and supplements.. Excess protein, which lets face it – they are, is bad for you.
Most people who aren’t on massively restrictive diets (ie intolerances / allergies / vegans) get plenty of protein, indeed, many meat eaters get too much already.

Add in shakes made primarily of unfermented soy (chock full of phytoestrogens) and synthetic vitamin isolates.. There’s no benefit to them at all.

If you aren’t getting enough protein, get some amaranth, quinoa, beans, seeds or nuts. Just as much protein with some fibre and minerals to counteract the acidity too, far more healthy.

Shanti: I looked up that Italian study and of course one study proves nothing but this is what it says under AUTHORS’ CONCLUSIONS, “Influenza vaccines are effective in reducing cases of influenza, especially when the content predicts accurately circulating types and circulation is high. However, they are less effective in reducing cases of influenza-like illness and have a modest impact on working days lost. There is insufficient evidence to assess their impact on complications. …..”

This is completely different from your post above. Opening phrase in the ACTUAL study says “Influenza vaccines are effective in reducing cases of influenza” but you version has “Influenza vaccines have a modest effect in reducing influenza symptoms ..”

I might add that it’s more important to “reduce cases of influenza” then “reduce influenza symptoms”. Less flu means less infection and less danger to vulnerable people.

Here’s a comment from another study “A 2011 meta-study published in the journal The Lancet, “Efficacy and Effectiveness of Influenza Vaccines,” analyzed 31 prior studies on the effectiveness of influenza vaccination trials conducted between 1967 and 2011. The analysis found that flu shots were efficacious 67 percent of the time; the populations that benefited the most were HIV-positive adults ages 18 to 55 (76 percent), healthy adults ages 18 to 46 (approximately 70 percent) and healthy children ages 6 to 24 months (66 percent).”

William. I provided the link to the study itself and all I did was copy and paste.
As you can see the source was pubmed.gov
I’m not sure what you are trying to insinuate here.

Shanti. I’ve seen this study do the rounds before. There are many studies and meta-studies on everything.

Quacks selectively pass around their mad web sites any sort of copy & paste that supports their position. It’s a bit like a “study” that supposedly showed Fluoride caused a disease but it was never actually published or peer reviewed and when I looked into it it was a PhD submission from a student. As I said one study doesn’t prove anything. The flu vaccine saves lives.

This is a link to the ACTUAL study and not a edited version you saw on PubMed.

http://www.thecochranelibrary.com/userfiles/ccoch/file/CD001269.pdf

William.
I provided a link to a trusted source, I did not edit anything. If there is a discrepancy then that is down to Pubmed is it not? I provided the link to the source I had copied and pasted from, you are free to check it.

Who is the ad hominem “quacks” directed at? Is it an attempt to poison the well? This is a very snide method of debate William, as I said, all I did was copy and paste from the pubmed website. I have not edited anything.

Shanti. I’ve seen that edited extract you posted used before and it seems to underplay the vaccine. It could be a thing where someone edited a study in a poor way (maybe PubMed) that is now being used by the anti-vaccine brigade but it’s little more than cherry picking, a common problem with quacks. You may of course be innocent in re-publishing it but I can only know if you tell us where you found it?

Quacks can trawl the internet for any study or even a sentence in a study and then post it on every discussion group to spread misinformation.

My phraseology above is poor buy my dinner is ready.

I found it by searching pubmed.
What’s your point?

@Tom, not all allopathic medicine is bad but not all of it is good.
It is a fact that radio therapy and cheomo therapy kill more people than it cures, sure Doctors in the USA refer to Cheomo as the ‘red death’ It destroys every thing in your body including your immune system and white blood cells, it destroys healthy cells as well as cancer cells.

Although it may have some limited usefulness, it is certainly not effective in any significant way for curing Cancer long term.

Well Said, best comment of the day so far.

Well said @ ThePeople ofIreland. Keep doing everything the government tells you to do, and you can’t go wrong lol. Im glad to see most People are waking up to all the deceptions of our world, which are mainly driven by fear. That said, some People have still quite a long way to go.

@ Tom Rooney

Radiotherapy and chemotherapy are proven cancer treatments. Unpleasant, but proven. This does not mean they are silver bullets. The decision to undergo these treatments can be difficult knowing that they may only prolong your life and the side-effects can be awful.

Therefore, for someone like you to come on to an article like this with the idiotic and unfounded statement that these treatments ‘kill more then they cure’ is an just repulsive. I get a little tired of hearing how we should respect the views of others when it means allowing such crass and insensitive comments, not least because they are so utterly misleading and poorly informed. You have used this article to launch a broadside against evidence based medicine (a more accurate term than ‘allopathic’ or ‘conventional’ I reckon) and push your theories without once referring to a solid study or report. If you suspect people replying to you are working in pharma or science you claim they are biased, if not, that they lack the expertise to question the half baked notions espoused in the youtube link you put up.

People reading this comments section have lost loved ones to cancers or are watching get taken by it-parents, siblings, children. They may have had to witness or participate in the process of selecting the most effective or sensible course of treatment. That is one of the hardest decisions anyone would ever have to face in their life. How do you think they’d feel reading the rubbish in your comments.

Evidence based treatments are just that-evidence based. The processes leading to drug development are flawed but they are at least regulated and the subject of media scrutiny. The breathtakingly cynical business practices of the industry composed of naturopaths, homeopath, vitamin/ supplement pedlars and ‘faith-healers’, often targeting the most ill and desperate of people, turns my stomach. For anyone interested, check out Matthias Rath, the man who sued the Guardian after they reported that he was actively discouraging people from taking anti-retroviral medication on South Africa at the height of the AIDs crisis and who, since being booted out, has travelled to Russia. they have the highest transmission rates of HIV in the Northern Hemisphere. Or perhaps we should examine the case of Andrew Wakefield who demonised the MMR vaccine and was subsequently found to have competing financial interests. There is now a spike in children contracting mumps and German Measles, both very dangerous.

My ‘favourite’ case, just because I suffer from bad eczema myself, is the the case of two parents, so fixated on using only natural treatments for their daughters skin condition that they eschewed conventional medicine even when the baby became so ill her black hair turned white. She died of septicaemia and malnutrition because her parents would not seek evidence based treatment.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/sep/28/homeopathy-baby-death-couple-jailed

*Natural* treatments are not properly tested, regulated or effective. In some cases they are actively harmful. Don’t talk to me about respecting these wretched theories. They can have serious real-world outcomes.

If you want to inform people so much why don’t you show us your ‘evidence’?

Very logical comment there, obviously from the same school of thought as the American senators who think the world is flat.

Ah the joy of self insulating positions – “I post scaremongering nonsense, people flag me on it, therefore they’re ignorant”.

seriously, vaccines are massive lifesavers. this is supported by a wealth of trials, investigations and tests. but by all means, ignore this and put on your tinfoil hat if you choose. just leave us out of it thanks.

David and Elizabeth, it is no wonder you two are up in arms, you’re very career is dependant upon scaremongering people into getting useless and dangerous vaccines all because big pharma lobby the medical council and pay for lavish trips and incentives to use their poison.
You people are what is wrong with medicine today, you’re not in medicine to help people, you’re in it to make a quick buck. There is countless reels of evidence showing how dangerous vaccines are.
Answer these questions.

Do vaccines contain Mercury? Is Mercury one of the most poisonous materials known to man? Why would you allow someone inject you with such a poisonous material? Is it true Mercury exposure can result in brain injury and autoimmune disease?

Do vaccines contain aluminium? Is it not proven that exposing the human body to heavy metals like mercury and metals like aluminium can lead to degenerative disease?

Do vaccines contain formaldehyde, a known cancer causing agent? Do vaccines contain Ethylene glycol (anti-freeze)?

How can any of you in good faith support the idea that people should inject these poisons into their bodies?

@Tom Rodney, Your comments are spot on. Its good to see someone standing up for the trooth. Pharmacists are very supportive of the jab, and We all know why. (No Name Calling Please, its very ignorant)

Tom,
First of all mercury is not used in vaccines intended for use in children. When it is used, it is used in microscopic doses. Same applies for aluminium.
The fact is that any substance is toxic at various doses and in various settings. For example, oxygen. If you give oxygen to a COPD patient, they will die. If you use diacetylmorphine (heroin) in a party, it’s called drug abuse, if you use it in a hospital it’s called symptom management or pain management or treatment.
Pharmaceutical companies do not put a single thing on the market if they feel there is even a hint of it doing something wrong, because they are afraid of being sued out of existence (people sue for the value of a life – in monetary terms there is a value on that life, but what about in emotional terms?).
The flu vaccine does not contain the flu, is relatively cheap, very safe, and on a site that is read by many people, you should stop spouting off nonsense, exaggerated claims, and quit toying with people’s lives, because that is what is at stake here – the lives of those already immunocompromised – and to those people, go to your health provider, and get the flu vaccine – it may well save your life.

Michael you are attempting to scare monger, a classic tactic used by vested interests but it doesn’t bother me. The fact is there are numerous healthy natural alternatives to most modern medicines, people should inform themselves of this fact instead of blindly following whatever a Doctor or Pharma company claims.
Your health is your own personal responsibility.
Mercury poisoning is cumulative, the more vaccines you get the more mercury is in your system.
Vaccines have been proven to cause numerous illnesses and your claim that they haven’t or are completely risk free is an outright lie.

Actually Tom, as I’ve pointed out on twitter to you, I am a physicist – how does big pharma fund me exactly? Calling conspiracy when you have a weak argument is nonsense. Now, vaccines have tiny amounts of trace elements in them (although nessesarily the ones you’ve mentioned) but so what? You have 40g of Potassium 40 in your body, which is highly radioactive and totally naturally occurring. However, it is well below the levels which cause you damage. You have plenty of other toxic compounds inside you too – all caused from normal biochemical processes. The crux is in tiny amounts, these will not do you any damage. Unless of course, you’re a keen advocate of homeopathy which insists the smaller the dilution, the bigger the effect – which is physically nonsense of course, but keep dreaming.

Tom, you eat food with Carbon every day, you don’t die. However I suspect if you drank a litre of oil which also contains Carbon it would kill you. You drink water which contains Hydrogen. You can also lift the Space Shuttle into orbit with Hydrogen, it powers the engines. You’re talking nonsense. It’s not Mercury in vaccines it’s a harmless compound that contains Mercury. btw The stupid people are definitely in your camp.

@David, as also pointed out to you on Twitter, you are a medical physicist which is a little bit different to a general physicist so please stop misrepresenting yourself here. The fact is almost all medical research is funded by big pharma either directly or indirectly, this is an undeniable fact.

Secondly you’re not comparing like with like, potassium occurs naturally in our body and food, mercury does not.
the average body has 140g of potassium not 40g as you claim and although it is radioactive it is not radioactive in the same way as nuclear fall out. Mercury on the other hand is one of the most toxic metals known to man and it has a proven negative effect on the human nervous system and brain.

As for homoeopathy, have I mentioned it even once? Why did you create a strawman argument out of this? Was it just so you could pretend to have a point?
For the record in my opinion homoeopathy has no scientific validation and is fairly useless.
But there are many effective natural treatments for all disease, I dont suppose you ever heard of Gerson therapy? The cancer therapy developed by Dr Max Gerson.
The same man that was tortured by the AMC and big pharma because he developed a treatment with a high cure rate for Cancer. As I said, do some research before you make such definite statements on what is and what isn’t effective medical treatment.

Tom, Gerson therapy, which bion includes coffee enemas, is total quackery. I looked into it in detail recently because someone I knew who had cancer was using it and being defrauded. He unfortunately died last week.

Here’s an extract from Quackwatch on this sCAM, “In 1947, the NCI reviewed ten cases selected by Dr. Gerson and found his report unconvincing. That same year, a committee appointed by the New York County Medical Society reviewed records of 86 patients, examined ten patients, and found no evidence that the Gerson method had value in treating cancer. An NCI analysis of Dr. Gerson’s book A Cancer Therapy: Results of Fifty Cases concluded in 1959 that most of the cases failed to meet the criteria (such as histologic verification of cancer) for proper evaluation of a cancer case [16]. A recent review of the Gerson treatment rationale concluded: (a) the “poisons” Gerson claimed to be present in processed foods have never been identified, (b) frequent coffee enemas have never been shown to mobilize and remove poisons from the liver and intestines of cancer patients, (c) there is no evidence that any such poisons are related to the onset of cancer, (d) there is no evidence that a “healing” inflammatory reaction exists that can seek out and kill cancer cells. Between 1980 and 1986 at least 13 patients treated with Gerson therapy were admitted to San Diego area hospitals with Campylobacter fetus sepsis attributable to the liver injections [18]. None of the patients was cancer-free, and one died of his malignancy within a week. Five were comatose due to low serum sodium levels, presumably as a result of the “no sodium” Gerson dietary regimen. As a result, Gerson personnel modified their techniques for handling raw liver products and biologicals. However, the Gerson approach still has considerable potential for harm. Deaths also have been attributed to the coffee enemas administered at the Tijuana clinic.”

Tom, perhaps you can tell us what this nonsense means “it is not radioactive in the same way as nuclear fall out” Different colour is it? :)))))))

William, I dont believe a word of what you wrote. It is clear you have an agenda.
Where was your friend getting there Gerson therapy?
You claim you know 1 person who died using Gerson therapy, how many people do you know who died using Chemo or radio therapy? I bet it’s a lot more than 1.
Gerson therapy is scientifically proven to have a positive effect in the eradication of Cancer, thats not to say it will cure all Cancer.
Dr. Gerson had hundreds of documented cases of complete cures attributed to his treatment and it is still going strong today.
If it was total quackery explain why the big pharma companies seen fir to plant a woman in his practice in order to steal his files and instructions on treatment, why was he assassinated? Why was arsenic found in his blood just before he died?
You definitely have an agenda here, I’m just glad I have the information to refute your nonsense.

Tom Rooney reminds me of a religious nutcase – talking absolute nonsense with no foundation, masquerading as hard science. The fact is idiots like him can’t explain why infant mortality rates have dramatically decreased due to vaccine uptake and why previous lethal diseases have all but been eradicated. Ironically he is benefiting from herd immunity at the moment due to vaccine uptake of others.

The most frightening thing is that he actually genuinely believes all his own junk-science bluster which is based on his bogus internet education. Jim Corr has nothing on you.

Yup bang on. I asked him if he had any evidence of this on twitter – he told me “im not doing your research for you”. As Sagan said, that which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without any. The guy is a quack, and I feel sorry for him but he has plenty of company there.

More people getting sick…then when, exactly? It’s the old joke about the cavemen: their water is clean, they’re eating organic, they don’t have smog: so why exactly did they only live until 30?

TPOI, “the question is why are so many more people getting sick”. What’s that supposed to mean? Many illnesses that killed people in even recent times and resulted in a very low life expectancy have now been either eliminated or cured by modern evidence based medicine. Life expectancy is increasing dramatically in the last 3 decades, and one of the major reasons is vaccination.

ThePeople OfIreland, how are all these extra people getting sick?

Do you mean that more people on the planet earth can now get sick then say 2 thousand years ago?

I’d have to agree with you on that, there’s 7 billion people on the planet now so potentially 7 billion people during their lifetime can get sick. Given there wasn’t 7 billion people at anytime before now i guess more people can get sick now then before.

Otherwise your claims are flawed, sickness is down, health is up and people live far longer then they did even a few hundred years ago, more people also live past childhood.

If you have a parent or grand parent that was born in say the 1920’s or 1930’s in Ireland ask them about the common occurrence of death amongst infants, it was pretty normal for them to die during birth or after birth due to a disease or another issue……they may have even had a sibling in the family that died after birth. This very rarely happens now in the western world.

Tom, I asked you a simple question, would you call out those money hungry fire-fighters if your house was on fire? :))

If you can answer this question you should understand how illogical your points are re the pharmaceutical companies.

Yes. Yes of course you did.

I’ve heard of this. Have you read it? Probably not. Did you know most of the data came from China? Data from a Totalitarian Communist Dictatorship is not a lot of use. Other studies from China have been shown to be deeply flawed and quackery is rife in China. I heard of one unfortunate recently from Ireland went there for bogus stem cell therapy.

well if you don’t believe research and data from other companies . maybe believe it from the horses mouth

http://www.infowars.com/who-admits-omitting-fluorides-damaging-health-effects-to-prevent-controversy/

Simon. I’ve answered that after your other post.

Catherine, I don’t believe you. It is definitely a blatant lie to say that “a lot of people I know became .. unwell after the jab” and that a thirty year old man & a 70 year old women died because of the flu vaccine.

Your immune system isn’t “intended” to do anything. It can’t stop Polio that killed 60,000 people in one year in the US before the polio vaccine. Now no one in the US dies. An enormous improvement.

Advise thats so good that they have to actually tell people that its not medical advice in anyway and isn’t approved by anyone…..yeah that seems like good properly researched information that can be trusted.

Hmm well I’ve looked at his CV and this guys a medical “journalist”, his education is a Bachelor’s Degree in Psychology, Psychology for feck sake…..how is he even remotely qualified to advise people on the MEDICAL affects of a vaccine?

And you are a photographer Barry, a feckin Photographer! What makes you so sure you’re right? Have you even studied at third level, at all?
There are thousands of Doctors who agree that vaccines are over used and largely of little use.
Do your own research, your health is your own responsibility.

There’s no need to get personal when putting your opinions across. Please be civil.
Aoife

Tom Rooney, wow have I touched a nerve? Nice that you need to get personal when you respond to me….shame you feel the need to ignore the request by Aoife to show some respect for other people….awful awful shame.

Anyway, if you are going to post something claiming xyz its only right you use a reliable source…in this case your source isn’t. Its fine and well saying there are thousands of doctors that agree with it but find me some properly researched data that is backed up by another independent reliable body that agree’s with this data.

Instead here you posting something by a journalist who has no education in medicine,

My request is reasonable, its just a shame that instead of seeing it as a reasonable request you need to get personal….attack the post…not the poster!

Barry, can you not see the hypocrisy in your claims? You claimed the video was not credible because they guy who made it was a psychologist yet you a photographer go on to tell us all how great vaccines are and refer to people who prefer natural alternatives as the ‘anti-vaccine crowd’ lol I’m not wasting any more of my precious time on you pal, you go and let your doc inject you with Mercury, aluminium and formaldehyde as well as anti freeze, good man :-)

Tom Rooney, good man yourself throwing the toys out of the pram,

I guess you just can’t provide a reliable source for your claims, ah those pesky facts getting in the way again i guess, oh well :(

I have reliable sources for my claims about the benefits of vaccines, try the CDC, WHO really there’s just so many to name in so many country’s around the world. There’s also all those lives saved from some awful diseases, some of which basically don’t exist anymore thanks to vaccines either in the western world or in the world in general.

whilst I’m sure some natural solutions can have benefits on a persons health and well being, the last time I checked we don’t have a natural solution for say wiping out Polio or many other diseases so clearly vaccines have a bigger benefit in saving lives.

Polio? Is polio a problem in the modern western world? I dont think so Barry, you’re living in the past, educate yourself. PS it is laughable that you claim the CDC or WHO are credible, look into who founded them and funded them….how wrong did they get the sars outbreak claim or the bird flu pandemic? How many millions of people needlessly got vaccines because of their scaremongering?

Tom Rooney, thought you were finished with me?

My use of Polio is to show the massive benefits and the hundreds of thousands of people that are no longer affected by a disease that was so wide spread (just think in the 70′s there was 250k odd people living with paralyzed caused by polio in the USA), thankfully it is no longer an recurring issue due to vaccines…with the exception of places in Africa.

I never said it was still an issue in the western world, I suggest you re-read my post.

Anyway still not seeing any reliable sources from yourself, only conspiracy theory’s.

Tom, this sentence is nonsensical, “There are thousands of Doctors who agree that vaccines are over used”. Are you sure you haven’t mixed that up with antibiotics are overused? I have never heard of a doctor who said vaccines are overused.

The point above that you tried to misinterpret about polio is that vaccines can help eliminate illnesses that can be fatal but there still non medical people (actors, psychologists, mums, quacks, etc) opposing their use. You are no different from the witch doctors & imams of Nigeria who called on the people not to get the polio vaccine because it was a western conspiracy to sterilise their women.

Tom Rooney’s strange world…

A chef boards an aeroplane to pilot it. A concerned passenger says “But you’re not a pilot, you’re a chef?”. Tom Rooney “YOU’RE NOT QUALIFIED TO SAY THAT, YOU’RE A PHOTOGRAPHER FFS, HOW DARE YOU, YOU HAVE AN AGENDA!!!”

and yet after you claimed you wouldn’t be responding to me anymore you continued to do so, selective ignoring of me then i guess?

Its ok, I’ll pick those toys off the floor now that you’ve thrown them out of the pram,

Those things being a reliable food source and plenty of the food, immunization against what were once deadly diseases and advances in medical treatment when people do get sick.

All three big bad company’s and governments have there fingers in, so what you are saying is those big bad company’s and the governments are making us live longer then then we could before?

Great conspiracy, keep working on it