The Government / Parties where expecting 4% of votes to be towards the No, it ended up at 58.01% / 41.9%.

That’s over 445,863 people that turned their backs on the Government, all parties, all independents “except for Mattie McGrath”, all the unions silent or in support of it. All the big businesses and Charities large and small and the one sided media.

No funding for the No vote, millions for the Yes vote and media who forced opinions towards the yes.
We may have lost this vote but the fight is not over and with a percentage like that and all the opposition we just proved not only to Government but all those in call of a yes, that we have more power than they ever believed and we will not be walked on.

All parties are going to be very careful on their next steps, because now they know they have 445,863 people willing to fight their every move.

Start thinking Chess every move has a counter and every move can lead to defeat.

Mooney

Do you reckon you’re going to get another Saturday vote after yesterday? Think on clueless!

Not clueless … purely cynical on behalf of our Government. They do not want the youth vote at election times, as many pro FFG/Labour FF commentators have already called out on Journal.ie.
They know that the majority youth vote will go against the establishment parties.
This type of cynicism is another good reason Labour should get an almighty kicking at the next election.

But they already have gotten better

E1bn compo for child abuse transferred to taxpayers.
Wuncha megabankers elevated to new church of the Sacred EUcharistic Shekel to replace worn-out Roman model.
Confidence of public in the institutions of the state destroyed by betrayal, spin and outright lies leaving door open for demagogic transfer back to a future our grannies would recognise.

Not a healthy smell off it, Hamlet, something rotten a lot closer than the state of Denmark.
And Sticky-Boy Eamo wonders why it didn’t catch fire….hmmm.

Shatter’s Re-Printed Legal Tome “Shatter’s Family Law” should NOW be re-named “Law Shatters Families”… jus’ sayin’, loike… ;)

Kathy ‘spine shiver’ Sinnott claimed earlier today that there will be a challenge to referendum result. Such a challenge will of course be lost as SC will not overturn decision of the people. I hope that Sinnott and her authoritarian angry brigade get stiffed with the costs of any such challenge.

I suspect there many be a few challages no doubth it will be difficult if not impossible to overturn. but your right no one in power cares about right wrong injustace or the law of the land.

Desmond O’Toole the tool

Isn’t it past your bedtime, Barry?

If 99.4% of the ELECTED representatves of the people supported the referendum, (only one TD opposed) why should the UNELECTED be given 50% of the airtime?

Many of the UNELECTED objectors presented themselves for election and were rejected by the voters. This is a Democracy

Brendan Palmer: A National Broadcaster, so as not to be seen to be unduly biased – especially in something as cut-and-dried as a Yes/No situation – IS obliged to the 50/50 Airtime Rule, TO BE FAIR TO THOSE WHO MAY ACTUALLY VOTE. Your statement implies that Airtime should be allocated on a proportionate basis to Dáil members & THEIR preferred position. Wow… Imagine a General Election following any period where one Party or another had a VAST majority… THEY, by YOUR reasoning, would be at a DISTINCT advantage in AIRTIME in the run-up to said coming Election. THAT doesn’t sound very Democratic to me… and, don’t forget, the vast majority of T.D.’s ARE tied to their PARTY Line… they have WHIPS to answer to… They GOTTA toe the Party Line regardless of what they may PERSONALLY feel about ANY issue… Irish APATHY (& the MILLIONS available to support “YES”) has resulted in 19.4% of the Electorate making THIS decision for ALL of us. Those, mostly ordinary folk, who are/were AGAINST the WORDING of THIS Constitutional Amendment FIRST (along with the Media) got to see the Wording on September 19th, 2012, and THEN had the opportunity to digest it & make a decision on WHICH way to respond. However, research has shown (from publicly available information) that the Yes Campaign has been preparing for a very VERY long time in Advance… Amongst others (from Amnesty International) is one very highly-qualified (including Harvard) lady who, amongst other experience, has spent time in The UNITED NATIONS… and she started with the Campaign in FEBRUARY 2012… not to mention a Communications Director starting in May 2011… Methinks the Yes Campaign doth, indeed have a success based upon an Over-Abundance of Money (whilst NO had nothing) & some serious heavy-hitters guiding them together with some, as yet undetermined, period of fore-warning of what was coming down the pipe before other mere mortals.

Methinks Mr. Madden that you should put yourself forward for election and if the electorate agree with your arguments, you will be elected to the inner circle (Dail) and be in a position to influence that which is presented to the electorate for their consideration.

Mr. P… You still did not manage to address your fallacious comment regarding Airtime… Any answer…?

…and, of course, as The Electorate are also UNELECTED does your viewpoint tend to the Dictatorial in that THEY (Electorate) too should NOT receive “AirTime”? Yours, etc…….

Just in case you missed it…….
Methinks Mr. Madden that you should put yourself forward for election and if the electorate agree with your arguments, you will be elected to the inner circle (Dail) and be in a position to influence that which is presented to the electorate for their consideration
It’s called democracy

Oh dear-o-dear… still not got any answers have you… P’rhaps YOU should continue to, something by your words you actually have admiration/aspirations/jealousy for, The Kildare Street Set… You obviously, by your evasive tactics, have a natural affinity for THAT LifeStyle… G’nite, Mr. Pee……….

how right you are

RTE skewed the debate iin such a way that it was seen as a Roman Catholic fundaMENTALists versus the rest of us fight. And once John Waters and his ilk were inserted into the debate and spouted his irrelevant nonsense a ‘Yes’ result was sure thing.

That’s the problem with the McKenna Judgement, it purports to prevent the government from using public money to ride roughshod over those who have an opposing view. (A laudable aspiration) In fact all it achieves, as has been shown in the last number of weeks, is that it allows cranks and naysayers to get their opinion broadcast and those who would like to hear a reasoned debate simply will not get involved because they do not wish to be associated with these people.

In my opinion, if there was no McKenna judgement preventing a reasoned debate, this referendum would probably have been defeated.

Sorry pressed ‘submit’too soon. I was saying this amendment is about ensuring that the balance of power is in favour of the child as opposed to the other interested groups ( be they be parents, guardians, schools ,state or church or any representative thereof). Time will tell if it succeeds.

that how it was sold but not the wording in print. unless it’s overturned through challages becase it was unjustly run campaign we have no choice but to make the best of it.

Good.

If you look after your kids why would they come to the door?

Well Sharon it’s a shame that someone didn’t go banging on the doors all through the years when children were being neglected and abused!!!

Well Sharon it’s a shame that someone didn’t go banging on the doors all through the years when children were being neglected and abused!!!

yeah mick, no child ever lied about ill treatment because they thought it wasnt fair that timmy next door got a 3ds and he only got a ball

@Revolting…that reply is so weak it’s funny.., used you do that by any chance?

They will only come knocking for a reason. The only ones that need worry are the ones with reason to.

explain what you mean by weak mick, i know someone that was hauled in front of social services on numerous occasions because their child was telling lies in school about mistreatment at home, is that weak to you if that was now the child could be taken from his family?

Seriously? Get a grip! They have better things to be doing! Unless you are abusing or seriously neglecting your children, you have no need to worry!

Some commenters here naively believe the Government will have to have a good reason to come knocking on family doors. I have heard of many cases where good parents were targeted for reasons such as; refusing to have their child vaccinated with the MMR vaccine (Waterford mother and child had to flee their home, and go into hiding); A middle aged woman in Carlow, was jailed because she refused to have her daughter vaccinated with the HPV vaccine. It seems they want to remove the parents right to make informed medical choices for their children. Another case I heard of, a young mother had a public health nurse come into her home a few days following the birth of her child. The mother was still not recovered fully from the birth, and had not done the washing-up which was in the sink., and the public official was rude and uncivil to her, and threatened her with the words “If you don’t pull yourself together, your child will be taken into care”. This mother did not smoke, or take drugs, and was doing her best for the baby. She did not deserve to be threatened like that, as she was a good and caring mother, and had done nothing wrong. I heard about two cases of homeschoolers, who were threatened by social workers. Three families were seriously threatened by school inspectors, because they took the kids for a short holiday during school term, (for various reasons, including the husband could not obtain his holidays any other time). These are only the tip of the iceberg.

And what about the In Camera (secret) Court system? The Social Workers are free to make any accusation they wish, without any proof. The cases are never publicly heard about on newspapers, radio or t.v. The judge can, and does, often judge against innocent parents. Just because you never hear of these cases, does not mean they are not happening.

The very sad thing about the result of this referendum, is that there was safer protection for children and families in the previous wording. Now, with the removal of Article 42, the Government are no longer obliged to provide free primary school education. The Government are now, with the removal of Article 42.5, allowed to adopt any child, from any family, for any reason. It is open to serious abuse.

The Irish Constitution gave excellent protection to Children … it was the State who failed them! Take a look at the Board of Directors of Arc Adoption Agency, which was recently set up. This will allow adoptions to and from foreign countries. It was set up, with the intention of waiting like a vultures, for the flood of children now likely to be unlawfully adopted from innocent parents. Does it ring alarm bells for anyone, that one of the Directors works in NAMA – I.B.R.C. (formerly Anglo Irish Bank)? Another Director has a big involvement in major multinational Pharmaceutical Companies. Any informed people know that these two companies , Anglo and Big Pharma, do not give a tuppenny damn about children, or their rights.

People, join up the dots, and see the glaring truth. I believe a full and urgent investigation should be carried out, by objective people, into what the players behind this Referendum are planning. I smell corruption. For your information, it would be a good idea to take a look at an online interview with Brian Gerrish, “Child Stealing by the State”. He mentions in the interview that the corruption is going on in the U.K., Ireland, Scotland, Wales, and in the E.U.

Sharon
Is there something happening in your house that would bring the Authorities there? Be very careful what you unwittingly say in public lady! Brain…..first gear ……then clutch …..then start with tongue or pen !

Sharon, me auld mucker, well said. Unfortunately, as you say, these people just won’t believe ’til it affects THEM… We don’t yet know WHEN this ordure will hit the Fan but, sure as eggs-is-eggs it surely WILL… Those it DOES come to affect WILL know pretty damn clearly & quickly that this “YES” Vote was an abomination on Traditional Irish Family values… Their lives WILL be turned upside-down & inside-out and, unless they realise QUICKLY that what is happening IS as a result of THIS & get to tell their unfolding story immediately to people BEFORE it hits “In-Camera” proceedings then NOBODY ELSE will ever get to hear about it….
EVERYBODY (from all the Evidence from the UK, Australia, USA & Canada) is a POTENTIAL target… Those who Voted YES will regret it… Those who did NOT Vote at all will regret THEIR choice… Those who DID Vote NO will also be vulnerable, maybe those who stuck their heads above the parapet even MORE so… There shall be NO consolation in being able to say “I told you so”, just the same devastation as all others targeted… Hopefully many WILL have instant supportive contacts to notify once realisation dawns that the Powers becoming available from THIS Referendum are what are being used against them… Sad times ahead… :(