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Explainer: What happened last night? Why was IBRC liquidated? What happens now?

Why on earth were the Dáil and Seanad sitting until the small hours of this morning? This might help…

The scene in Dáil Éireann early this morning
The scene in Dáil Éireann early this morning
Image: Screengrab

Update at 3.30pm: The Taoiseach has told the Dáil that the promissory note payments are gone, they have been replaced with long-term government bonds.

Kenny told the Dáil: “The first principal payment on these bonds will be made in 25 years time, 2038, with the final payment being made in 2053. The average maturity of these bonds will be over 34 years rather than the 7 – 8 years on a promissory note.” The average interest rate on these bonds will be 3 per cent, compared to 8 per cent on the promissory notes. Read more

Update at 1.25pm: It is now widely reported that the Irish government and the European Central Bank has reached an agreement on replacing the promissory note arrangement.

AT 7.11AM THIS morning the office of President Michael D Higgins confirmed that he had signed the Irish Bank Resolution Corporation Bill 2013 into law following an all-night session of the Dáil and Seanad.

As the government seeks a deal to reduce the burden of the €30.06 billion promissory note payments due in respect of the former Anglo Irish Bank, this legislation gives effect to the liquidating of Irish Bank Resolution Corporation – the entity made up of the former Anglo Irish Bank and Irish Nationwide Building Society.

But why was this done? Why did it have to be done so quickly and what impact does it have on Ireland’s bid to secure a deal on reducing the burden of the promissory note payments?

Let’s break it down…

First off, why was IBRC liquidated?

When the government took over Anglo and Irish Nationwide and rolled them into one to create IBRC it always intended to wind down this entity once it dealt with its substantial loan book, worked out its asset portfolio, and generally dealt with the massive mess left behind that had forced the State guarantee of the banks in the first place.

IBRC intended to achieve “full resolution” by 2020 but now the bank has been liquidated as part of a move by the government to reduce the immediate burden of the promissory note payments. This explainer has more detail but briefly promissory notes are IOUs amounting to €31 billion given to IBRC around 2010 to allow it to borrow funds from the Central Bank of Ireland.

Ireland committed to paying these IOUs back over more than a decade with €3.06 billion due every March for the next ten years but because  the European Central Bank and its governing treaty forbids monetary financing – the printing of money – this money would have to be destroyed. This was anathema to, well, everyone really and the government has been seeking a deal that involves not making these payments but at the same time not defaulting on the IOUs.

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Labour Party chairman Colm Keaveney leaving the Dáil early this morning. Pic: Laura Hutton/Photocall Ireland

What does the liquidation process entail?

Liquidation is a formal means by which a company is wound up and the proceeds from the sell off of its assets are distributed among creditors, these are people who are owed money.

In the case of IBRC, a special liquidator from KPMG has been appointed by the Minister for Finance to the IBRC and all of its assets including its loan book of about €16 billion will be transferred to the Nastional Management Agency (NAMA) – the State’s bad bank set up after the financial crisis – which will manage the loans until around 2020.

It is also intended that NAMA will issue bonds which have the advantage of being covered by the government guarantee and the cost of these bonds is lower with NAMA paying just 0.75 per cent interest on these bonds.  The intention, subject to ECB approval, is that the promissory note arrangement will be replaced with NAMA bonds and will thus remove the annual repayments due in respect of the promissory notes and lengthen repayment schedule over a longer period.

But it also means that the State has taken on the liabilities of the IBRC and they are now official sovereign debt. This means the debt is owed by the State to the Central Bank and therefore the ECB and cannot be written down.

Why did all this have to happen in the middle of the night?

Yesterday evening at around 4.30pm Reuters and Bloomberg news agencies reported that there was a plan to liquidate IBRC under a wide proposal to get a deal on the promissory notes. This, as one source put it, led to “total chaos” in government buildings, the Department of Finance and Leinster House as once it was revealed that there were moves to liquidate the bank it had to be done.

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Communications Minister Pat Rabbitte leaving Leinster House. Pic: Laura Hutton/Photocall Ireland

As Minister for Finance Michael Noonan explained last night “there was an immediate risk to the bank” with fears that its creditors would go to the High Court seeking injunctions perhaps more important the markets reacting negatively to news that a State-owned bank was being liquidated. As Noonan later explained you generally don’t say you are going to liquidate a company and wait a few weeks to liquidate it. In an ideal world the government would have announced the liquidation and an ECB deal together but the leaks prevented this from happening.

The government claims that a plan – a secret plan – to liquidate IBRC has been in planning for months which was why legislation was produced so quickly yesterday. Yet still TDs only got sight of it minutes before a debate on it was due to begin at 10.30pm (The Taoiseach eventually allowed the debate to be suspended until 12am). There was much unhappiness about all of this among opposition TDs and senators.

What does the legislation say and what does it mean?

The legislation is 58 pages long with 25 sections. Some of its key points include:

  1. A preamble which says “the winding up of IBRC is necessary to resolve the debt of IBRC to the Central Bank of Ireland”.
  2. It also points out that “in the achievement of the winding up of IBRC, the common good may require permanent or temporary interference with the rights, including property rights, of persons” – the constitutionality of this has been questioned by some.
  3. It halts all legal cases being taken against the IBRC however it – or NAMA as it will now be – can continue to pursue legal cases.
  4. It terminates the employment of every IBRC employee, there are around 800 to 850.
  5. The liquidator can only act on the instruction of the Minister.
  6. It gives power to the Minister for Finance to creates securities or bonds that can be sold to other financial institutions, kind of like a bank.

So with that, some 800-850 employees at IBRC are technically out of the job this morning but many of them are expected to transfer to NAMA. The future of high-profile figures like chief executive Mike Aynsley is unclear.

I heard talk that this bill could be unconstitutional?

Generally there are a lot of questions being raised about the amount of power the bill is handing to Michael Noonan though his junior Brian Hayes said this morning that the government, on the advice of the Attorney General, is confident that the legislation is constitutional.

The section about the “common good” and “temporary interference” with property rights of person could fall foul of the constitution but this is in the preamble and not the legislation itself so will need some legal minds to determine that.

Furthermore, Independent TD Stephen Donnelly told Vincent Browne on TV3 last night that he feared portions of the bill were not constitutional. Only in the days and weeks ahead will it be established whether the legislation is legally sound or not.

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Stephen Donnelly speaking to Vincent Browne outside Leinster House last night. Pic: Laura Hutton/Photocall Ireland

So now the legislation is passed do we have a deal with the ECB?

No, the government’s hope is that the promissory note arrangement can be swapped for the bonds issued through NAMA. This would have the effect of spreading repayment (we would still be repaying the €30.06 billion) over a longer period and proving less burdensome, removing the onerous loss of €3.06 billion ever year to the thin air (As we explained before, the promissory note money is handed to the Central Bank and electronically deleted).

But all of this needs the approval of the governing council of the ECB (made up of eurozone members’ central bank governors) which is meeting today in Frankfurt and Bloomberg is reporting that some members want to discuss the proposal with their own central banks first and this could prolong the time it takes for a decision to be made.

So this is not rubber-stamped?

No. Furthermore there isn’t exactly encouraging noises coming from economists like Karl Whelan, economics professor at UCD, who told RTÉ’s Morning Ireland that what has happened now is that the money owed to the IBRC, which was owed to the Central Bank, has now been “written-off unilaterally by the Dáil”.

He said the position created now is that NAMA is in debt the ECB. He hypothesised that there could be a decision by the ECB to say that its not happy with the proposal and it is illegal as it amounts to monetary financing (which is printing money) and is illegal under EU treaties.

How confident is Michael Noonan? Well he said he simply doesn’t know if the ECB will agree to it: “I don’t know whether they’ll sign off on it,” he told the Seanad last night. His junior minister Brian Hayes told Morning Ireland he was “confident and optimistic”of a deal.

But at the moment, there is no deal.

But if the ECB does agree, is it a good deal?

That’s really a matter of opinion. If you are of the mind that the promissory notes were an abomination and should under no circumstances be repaid or that at the very least less money should be repaid than €30.06 billion is not a good deal because we’re still repaying all the money.

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Protesters outside Leinster House last night. Pic: Laura Hutton/Photocall Ireland

It also has the effect of turning the promissory notes into full-blown sovereign debt, money owed to the ECB which can never be written down. Effectively the deal rules out any prospect that might cut the €30.06 billion principal by a few billion euro.

The only benefit to all this is that it means repaying it over a longer period and the hope is that inflation and the economic recovery will contribute to lessening the overall impact. Paying out €3.1 billion now is economically harsher than it would be in 10 or 15 years time. Though of course it’s still a lot of money.

Michael Noonan says that an agreement to the proposal from the ECB would mean a “very good deal for the Irish taxpayer” but then he would say that. Economist Karl Whelan says that “extending it [the repayments] off into the future is something that can be of benefit” pointing out that Britain is still repaying World War I debts but this goes unnoticed in the grand scheme of things.

What effect does it have on the wider economy, the debt, the deficit, future budgets?

It is impossible to say for definite what impact this deal will have on any of that. But the financial blogger Namawinelake has crunched a few numbers saying that if we replace the promissory note with a 10-year bond that has a 4 per cent interest rate we will pay interest of €400 million compared with the €1.8 billion interest this year due on the interest (which is about €10 billion) applied to the €31 billion promissory note.

He writes: “We will make similar savings in 2014 and 2015, though the savings reduce after that. This consequently means we can potentially cut the adjustment this year by €1.4bn and the Budget in December would be €1.7bn of adjustments rather than €3.1bn.”

What about IBRC’s case against the Quinn family?

As you will know from this explainer the bank is chasing Seán Quinn and his family for some €2.3 billion it claims it is owed as a result of loans to the bankrupt businessman and his family during the boom. This involves a series of complex court actions in various jurisdictions including here in Ireland and eastern Europe.

Under the new law, the cases will transfer to NAMA which will continue to pursue the Quinns through the courts. However the Quinn family, which disputes the amount it owes, could potentially raise issues with this before the courts and delay actions further. Some aspects of the case against the Quinns in Ireland are already delayed by the trial of former Anglo executives.

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Labour TDs depart the Dáil after a late-night vote. Pic: Laura Hutton/Photocall Ireland

Oh yeah, what about the cases against Seán FitzPatrick and other Anglo executives?

These are being taken by the Director of Public Prosecutions through the criminal court so are unaffected.

What about the case brought by David Hall?

As we detail here, that case goes ahead with Hall in the Supreme Court this morning contesting the legality of the promissory notes arrangement as there was no Dáil vote when the notes were issued. This case has just been adjourned until next week when the chief justice will consider it. It’s reported that a number of TDs including Luke Ming Flanagan are trying to attach themselves to the case

Will the Dáil get to vote on any agreement with the ECB?

Yes, according to Brian Hayes who said that any deal with the ECB will be put to the Oireachtas.

So what happens now?

We wait for the decision of the ECB governing council and the feeling is that that decision will be a ‘wait-and-see’ one whereby it agrees to examine the proposal and then spends a few days or weeks, probably weeks, going over it.

The upshot is that we are unlikely to get anything definitive today on this. So after a night of fast-paced drama in Leinster House, we are now facing a wait to discover just what this truly means for you and I, the Irish taxpayers.

Read: Central Bank reassures IBRC customers they will be repaid

Read: Noonan: IBRC bill brought through due to “immediate risk” to bank

Read: President signs legislation to liquidate IBRC into law

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Comments (118 Comments)

  • Can I take a moment to say a big thanks to the Journal and Hugh O’Connell on this. In a morning of complete chaos and uncertainty its brilliant to be able to read the facts and balanced observation from you. Well done on this article and your coverage of this important time for Ireland.

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  • Thank you for the explanation. Seems a bit clearer to me now. (Will have to have a few more reads over it to digest it tho)

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  • The one thing that stands out – 4.30pm. Such a perfect time for a financial leak

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    • Dam straight! If there was an Irish Sky News, this and transfer deadline day would have been Christmas!

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    • The more I think about this the angrier I become. They are taking me and everyone for a fool. I can’t accept that because we are not fools.

      - The timing of the leak and the obvious nature of it.
      - Selling out our future and enslaving us to financial institutions.
      - Making debt that we should not accept legal.
      - Removing our rights as an independent people to steer our own course as a nation.
      - Completely ruining the chance of our children to have a successful nation to be proud of.
      - The drunken loutish behaviour of our parliament for the world and the future to see.

      This is not acceptable and we have to march. Even if you plan a walk on Saturday do it with the protest. We have to let them know that they have broken the this country and more importantly the people.

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  • It’s now sovereign debt, so we’ve been royally shafted by our own YET AGAIN.
    I’m fu**in livid and disgusted.

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  • The main thing I learned last night is that our only hope is to find another 10-15 people of the calibre of Stephen Donnelly and build a new party around them. That would put us in the position of having people in charge who actually know what they are doing. I don’t hold out a lot of hope though.

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  • So I hope to see you all at the Protests on Saturday……Dublin, Cork, Galway, Sligo, Limerick and Waterford. Feet on the street, vent that anger and disgust at this disgraceful sham of a government!

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  • My other question is we were being told by Dukes et all that even though it was pretty unpalatable we had to wait for years to wind up Anglo as it would cost billions more to close immediately , what has changed now and is it costing much much more to liquidate now rather than than follow last years amaze balls solution that we were told was best way….what are these addition billions in costs to taxpayer because that’s what we being told….or shock horror was that all bollix , don’t answer that…..

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  • Lets just cut to the chase, put simply it means you and I have to pay like we have to pay for everything else in this great little corrupt septic isle. Is is our debt? No, it is not. But lets not get bogged down on such trivia.

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  • Now that it is fully sovereign debt the coalition have now completely, in every way, reverted to the policies which they so vehemently opposed when Fianna Fáil were in power. Shame on them for promising the sun moon and stars, and then delivering the opposite.

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  • God thats some upsetting reading. Its safe to say I nearly puked reading it. I can’t really get over it, its like a nightmare that this could happen and happen this way. Its a sad day to be Irish

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  • CABK 07/02/13 #

    Great Comprehensive Article. Karl Whelan is a great economist also so would definitely take his opinions on board.

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  • by the looks of things, most of those present in the dail last night were “liquidated”

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    • Watched it on Vincent Brown, it showed Pearse Doherty being heckled during his speech then back to Vincent in the studio where he looked dispairingly into the camera and told us all that this is ‘democracy in action’.

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  • David A 07/02/13 #

    Why have the people of Ireland accepted this lying down?

    Because it was done while most of us were in bed!

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    • We’re taking it lying down either way.

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    • those who have been forced to emigrate are the lucky ones .
      Ironically they have their stupid parents to thank – for voting for FF and then FG .

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    • Why does anyone believe our government is on the peoples side? They never were and never will be.
      Oh yes it did happen in the middle of the night, but even if it was in plain sight Irish people would accept it and do nothing. We are all talk and no action. We are cowards. I’ve protested many times against these things, but the turnout is nearly always crap.

      When are Irish people going to get off their asses,stop taking part in the daily grind that they created for us and protest in the 100′s of thousands,instead of running away? Mind you i dont blame those emigrating, having to live with the BS and illegal,unconstitutional crap that our govenment is perpetrating is unacceptable and i hope i can leave sometime too unless we start revolting against our government.

      Can we get a few hundred thousand people to protest? when is enough, enough?

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  • Last night was a “gamechanger”, last night was when we had it “Labours way, not Frankfurts way”, last night we “broke the bond between the sovereign and the bank as per the June agreement”……… Lord God Pat Rabitte, if you want to know why politics is so denigrated, either study those three lines and how meaningless they now are, or perhaps clear out your ears and listen back to drunk TD’s from your party and Fine Gael heckle speakers on one of the most important nights in this nations history. Politics? What politics? We have idiots running this country! Time to emigrate so my grandkids are born in another country and won’t have to pay for a few teachers and trade unionists ineptitude, incompetence, arrogance and downright stupidity!

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    • Our government as it stands is the single greatest single argument in existence for gun control.

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    • It’s unfair to label these snakes as teachers. Once someone becomes a politician they leave their old life behind and enter a corrupt world that soon makes the majority lose all vestiges of honour.
      They are dishonourable corrupt cockroaches, not upstanding members of the community.

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    • Don’t forget of course either lads, thank God I voted yes to the stability treaty like all those business experts told me to, you know, otherwise we would be being treated like mugs by Europe and the ECB, it’s great to have them on board, leaking and deciding our budgets for us! Thank God for the stability treaty and it’s intention to stabilise debt on to the necks of our grandkids!

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  • Thieves in the night…

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  • That was a damn fine article Hugh, didn’t know what the hell was going on last night!

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  • Won’t make a difference to fg either they think we are overpaid anyway, unlike themselves. Also should have closed the dail bar lots of the government tds were pissed.

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  • Its time to burn the bond holders.

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  • This island is for sale.

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  • Fine Gael acting like Fianna Fail – Surprise suprise !!! And Labour rolling over and playing dead . Guess who’s gonna get it in the next election

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  • sean 07/02/13 #

    There once was a taoiseach from mayo called ends ,
    One 6th Feb went on a bender,
    To sneak in a vote ,
    On the promissory note,
    Leaving our kids to pay the lender.

    Another day to be ashamed to be Irish , 2in a row ends………one more and keep the match ball…..go for it

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  • Rushed through – god help us!

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  • Late night mugging by a fat thief. Guess Noonan’s Bilderberg pals will be opening their expensive champagne bottles this morning

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  • How are these people getting away with this its making us all out to be a awful pack of eijits we need to grow a set of balls take to the streets for how ever long it takes and tell these gangsters that they have raped this land and its people for far to long..!!!

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  • Bloody great rush legislation like 2008 and yet aren’t 100% sure whether its legal under the constitution or EU law

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  • Colm Keaveney trying to digest the bill he just voted on? Pity he didn’t do that before he voted.

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  • Sure when has any harm ever come from a bit of late night rushed banking legislation….anybody know exactly what implications this has on the Quinn saga , presume they won’t be hounding him for a few billion and he won’t have a counterclaim or what……

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  • A thoroughly excellent article explaining the whole situation.

    And on that note, emigration has never looked more appealing!

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  • Won’t make a difference to shit budgets, the Germans will insist on that.

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  • Wait til the bubble in the US bursts, you think we are screwed now…. These scammers in the dail knew what they were doing. It was set in motion months ago and was only forced into effect because of a “leak”. Who “leaked” this? I find it questionable that David Hall’s case was today and they suddenly had to rush it through last night. I am so angry and sad and we as a people must stand together and take to the streets on Saturday. Please show up, it is for your life, your childrens lives and your grandchildrens. I would not even consider burdening a child by bringing one into a country where they will pay for Our Governements, and Bankers mistakes and greed.

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  • Great article — clear and informative.

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  • I still have so many questions.
    1) We were told that IBRC would have to be wound down over numerous years or we would lose billions. Yet it was wound down overnight. Do we still lose billions? Was it just a zombie bank? Could this have been done years ago?
    2) What are we waiting for from the ECB? Could they say that this is all illegal and we are left in a worse state? What are the possible outcomes from now on?

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  • “Paying out €3.1 billion now will not be as harsh as it would be in 10 or 15 years time. ”

    This assumes a return to sustained growth, not just in Ireland but globally.

    Historically, that’s how things went – your debt from 10 years ago looked puny today. However if we remain in a prolonged period of (at best) stagnation there is no reason to believe this will be true in the short or middle term future. The last few years have been different from previous dips or recessions in almost every respect, there is no reason to assume they will just pass and things will return to ‘normal’.

    Ask someone who took out a mortgage in 2007 if they really believe today that there repayments will seem less harsh in 2017.

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  • This debt never has been nor ever will be the sovereign debt of this nation. Treating it as such is mere bluster. I won’t be paying my USC tax anyway. that’s for sure.

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  • Jes*s, we’d have got a better deal off the Provident

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  • The have lied every day up till 10:30pm last night and now excepts people to trust them. Kenny and Gilmore had ten minutes during the debate to explain on record what this is all about. instead they huffed and puffed about “suffering of the Irish people”, “FF are still to blame even though we have been in power for two years.” “The poor workers”. Heckling others stopping them from talking during such an important debate. The Dail is now rubber stamping legislation which is produced in secret month beforehand. With all the lies this goverment spins this leak could only come from a handful of people. ECB met yesterday who did Patrick Honohan discuss the goverment plan with? If this plan is rejected by the ECB does that trigger an election or what credibility can we give to dail questions from now on. Whats all this extra powers Noonan has now to issue bonds without dail approval when was that dreamt up. If goverment were better at creating jobs instead of enforcing austerity would we now be giving more powers to NAMA. Only good thing is atlast this goverment has done something, short term it may leave people with enough money to afford heating over the next few winters. IRBC or Anglo has now defaulted something that should have happened in 2008. now its debt is our nations debt in full, that can now not be avoided.

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  • Got to love that style of government:
    They wake you up in the middle of the night, drag you downtown, question you, demand you sign some papers you don’t understand.
    We’re learning from the Germans, aren’t we? It’s just that it’s the wrong Germans…

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  • Y.F. 07/02/13 #

    Anglo and the government must feel a huge relief today. They’ve been prolonging the big case that Quinn has against Anglo for quite a while now, throwing obstacle after obstacle in their paths. They know that heads were going to roll and couldn’t take the chance. They’re making sure that he never gets his day in court against them. The injustice of it all. The corruption continues…..What a great little country/puppet show we live in!

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    • censored 07/02/13 #

      Oh yes, the whole country has just been skrewed yet again in another midnight deal and the big issue on your mind is …. Quinn. Showing your true colours alright.

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    • rusty9 07/02/13 #

      What a shambles!. IBRC/Gov have tormented, imprisoned and defamed the Quinn family and others to the death and it now appears that as they were doing this and using our money to do it, they were conspiring to once again deny natural justice and ensure that the dirty secrets of the Dept of Fin. Central Bank etc remain secret. This is not over and the citizens of Ireland who have morals and pride will not tolerate such a travesty.

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  • Late night mugging by fat thief. No doubt Noonan’s Bilderberg pals will be popping their expensive champagne bottles this morning

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  • AIB was a bank that should have folded at the start of the collapse but was kept afloat through a government guaranty because there would have been major troubles if it was not a working bank??? Now it will be closed down anyway so we can TRY to get a better deal with Europe??? because we didn’t let the bank fold?? I am sorry I don’t understand a thing that is happening. We went through all of this just to do a demi tour droit? Why do I have a feeling that the entire thing has been fabricated to funnel money some place for someones or sometwos gain????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

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  • I’m reminded of an Aesop fable. The one where the lion wants to marry a young woman. Her father (thinking it unwise to refuse such a dangerous creature) tells the lion he’ll only allow it if the animal pulls all his claws & teeth out, so his daughter won’t get hurt by her husband. Besotted, the lion does so, but returning to claim his prize, finds himself chased away. The family have no reason to fear or respect him any longer – Seduced by the prospect of lower repayments, our government have declawed our option to refuse repayment of non-state debt WITHOUT ANY PUBLIC GUARANTEE OF A DEAL. What follows now is an absolute test of EU integrity. Given the Troika’s track record, we can only have the lowest expectation that they will put Ireland’s best interests first.

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  • They kicked the ball down the line.
    Now instead of us having to repay the debt they have lumped it into the shoulders of our children and grandchildren.

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  • Traitors to Ireland everyone of the servile parasites TD’s who voted through this sleeveen legislation to protect their golden circle friends in Ireland and abroad.People should protesting but alas the gombeen Irish public inaction has approved such a deal.

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  • And so starts the comment board hysteria. A “War of the Worlds” type scenario is upon us.

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    • You obviously dont understand the magnitude of what happened lastnight or the catastrophic affects it could/more than likely will have on irish society for decades to come. Its completely unjust and utterly madness that the irish government have forced this ridiculous repayment on their own people. Even moreso when there is no guarantee that the ECB will offer any deal.

      The government have taken another gamble and hoping that if this criminal debt can be repaid over a longer period of time that it will give the economy a chance to grow… but they also thought that would happen when they bailed out AIB and look how that ended up!

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    • No, not a war of the worlds. More like death by a 1,000 cuts, cuts that will go on for generations and tare apart what’s left of the social fabric of the state.

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    • Is it your opinion that nobody else should have a opinion, and if the do, they should keep it to themselves?

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    • @Esther ….no

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  • You wrote “Paying out €3.1 billion now will not be as harsh as it would be in 10 or 15 years time.” while you probably wanted to say the reverse: “Paying out €3.1 billion now will not be *much harsher than” it would be in 10 or 15 years time.”?

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    • Sorry, I meant to write:

      “Paying out €3.1 billion now *will be much harsher than” it would be in 10 or 15 years’ time.” (there’s also a missing apostrophe under “years” but everyone seems to have given up on apostrophes)

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  • Thank you Hugh for explaining this. Great work!

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  • You remember that kid in the playground walking around with the sign on his back that said ‘Kick Me’… that’s Ireland. http://wp.me/P2Tb57-8S

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  • Well, it’s a debt, and when it comes to my debts I like to pay them off sooner rather than later…it’s not nice to have a debt hanging over you for ages!

    It’s still very confusing to me…great explainer, but I’ll deffo need to read it another few times/ask someone who gets it!

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  • Thank you for the article. It made a messy situation very clear.

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  • To prevent a run on the bank, who owns the 14 billion in there now? The state, I assume as we took it over?

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  • And the President of Iceland says we are fools
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=DXUr4PK07so#at=31

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  • My great great grand children will think I was very rich when we will leave them billions in 2053 never the less when they use there DNA they will discover the billions belong to Kenny & co,and Marys loo and thats coming from the HORSES mouth

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  • Hugh O’Donnel – your explanation is almost entirely filled with the same bullshit those that voted for the IBRC Bill are spouting. You ommitted to mention that by 2022 the promisory note would have been completed with 28 billion euro going to the Irish Central Bank and therefore staying within the state. Now the total bond debt is 68 billion over 40 years with no way to write down any of it, as it is sovereign debt that will go out of the state to the ECB. Oh and don’t forget the small detail that the debt should not be paid in any case as it is NOTHING to do with the Irish people. To state otherwise is a lie.

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  • @eamonnbolger……I don’t like to fall into this ‘going off topic’ that a lot of people seem to indulge in but I will make an exception in this case. The ICTU might have initially organised their protest for Saturday February 9th, to demand a renegotiation of the bank debt. HOWEVER, those of us who regularly campaign against austerity are marching on the same day and date, in Dublin, Cork, Galway, Sligo, Limerick and Waterford, to turn these into huge anti-Government protests, demanding the scrapping of the property tax and an end to austerity. I can assure you that neither I nor any of the serious campaigners will be ‘standing’ around listening to any of these Johnny Come Latelys. End of.

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  • Quit your whining, you pack of callow dogs. You’ve had nearly a century to sort it out and you failed. What did you think a few government were going to do, other than shaft you and sell the country down the river? It’s the very foundation stone of that party. You got the government you deserve so shove a cork in it and enjoy being a laughing stock, you mugs

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  • I think the situation is improving all the time.

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  • The liquidation will match the assets and liabilities at IBRC. Creditors/bondholders may lose out.

    The government prom notes are unaffected as they continue to be held at the Irish central bank.

    I don’t see where the government has taken on the liabilities of IBRC as the article claims.

    The only continuing liability of relevance is the prom notes. And what happens next with them; convert to bonds or not. I don’t see anything in the bill saying that must happen either.

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