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Insurance companies to have full access to drivers’ offences

The measures mean that insurance companies will be able to take serious offences into account when applying a loading on an insurance policy for penalty points.

Fine Gael Minister for Transport, Tourism and Sport Leo Varadkar
Fine Gael Minister for Transport, Tourism and Sport Leo Varadkar
Image: Laura Hutton/Photocall Ireland

TRANSPORT MINISTER LEO Varadkar has announced that insurance companies will soon have full access to details of serious offences which have incurred penalty points.

This will be the first time this is the case, following a decision by the Minister for Transport, Tourism and Sport. He said that this new measure will give insurance companies reliable and up-to-date information from the National Vehicle Driver File (NVDF) on serious offences which have incurred penalty points.

Insurance companies already have access to the NVDF to verify the number of penalty points incurred by individual drivers, but will now be able to determine whether an offence involved drink driving, speeding, using a mobile phone, or any of the 13 specific categories of serious offence.

Currently, insurance companies apply for a loading on an insurance policy according to the number of penalty points, rather than the nature of the offence. Thanks to this move, insurance companies will be able to take serious offences into account when applying this loading.

However, the Department said it “has reserved the right to reconsider this measure if insurance companies do not adequately reward safe drivers”.

Rewarding motorists

Minister Varadkar said:

This is about road safety, and rewarding motorists for safe behaviour. Last year was the safest ever on Irish roads, but it’s vital that we don’t let the good work go to waste. That’s why we have to keep our focus on developing new measures and new policies to keep a solid focus on road safety, and to save lives. This measure is about road safety, and rewarding motorists for safe behaviour.

By providing details of points incurred for serious offences, it has the potential to lead to lower insurance premiums for safer drivers, said the Department. This measure was included in the Road Traffic Act 2010 and passed into law when Minister Varadkar signed a Statutory Instrument in late 2012.

There are currently 2.67 million licenced drivers in Ireland, of whom 487, 000 have penalty points. Around 80 per cent of these drivers have fewer than four points.

In 2012, around 200,500 penalty point notices were issued to 179, 000 drivers. So far this year, 5,015 penalty point notices have already been issued to 4,971 drivers.

The National Vehicle Driver File section of the Department of Transport has been working with the Irish Insurance Federation (IIF) to implement this measure.  The new system will be implemented on a phased basis over the next few months.

Later this year the Department of Transport will launch the new Road Safety Strategy as part of a major EU conference.

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Comments (52 Comments)

  • Ah Leo, you’ve done it again. Found a solution to a problem which didn’t exist.

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  • made 04/02/13 #

    Does he seriously think that insurance companies will “reward safer drivers” as he puts it, not a hope, all they’ll do is put up premiums on certain drivers and then claim that they have “rewarded safer drivers” by not putting up their premiums. And of course the usual yearly hike will be put down to economics. Another example of this government permitting big business to print money. An absolute joke.

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  • This is a joke a Garda has no way of telling how many points someone has without making a formal application in writing why should insurance companies be allowed it before the Gardai

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  • A joke. What next? Employers having access to all records and internet accounts?

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    • It actually makes a lot of sense. If its done properly, careful law abiding drivers will be rewarded. I mean anyone can get points for driving too fast on a dual carriageway that had a speed limit of 40 or 50. Why should they be penalised in the same way as someone doing 60 or 70 in a built up area, or as someone who gets caught texting while driving?

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    • So let’s put it to a vote rodrigo.

      How many of us want our elected government to share information collected at taxpayer expense with private for-profit insurance companies for the benefit of said companies?

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    • Rodrigo your making the assumption that these companies are honest, decent and fair in how they go about things. All this will serve to do is give more reasons to raise your premium. I have no points nor never had any, have maximum no claims, never had a claim, and still my insurance goes up every year.. if you have four points it just means yours will go up further than mine , it certainly won’t see mine going down..

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  • Don’t know why they feel it’s necessary, Insurance Companies will still use every trick, excuse and get-out clause in the book to rip customers off anyway. Ireland should adopt a policy like Australia where compulsory third party insurance is combined with road tax and obligatory. Because everyone pays, fees are realistic and appropriate. Any further insurance required is completely optional.

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  • tim 04/02/13 #

    Everything this gov does seems to be an attack on the people,its not surprising then if the people come to view the gov as their enemy.

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  • Can anyone in this Government introduce some regulation that actually benefits the electorate rather than penalising them in some way or an another.

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  • Perhaps the reason road deaths are down is no one can afford the fuel to put in there car to drive, or because everyone’s leaving the effin country there’s very few people left to have accidents…

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  • Now the insurance companies can “justify ‘.screwing us. Reward good drivers ?.really

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  • Sorry have I missed something, you already have to tell them what points you have and what you got them for when getting insurance….

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    • yes but some people wont tell them. They will take your money anyhow, but if you make a claim they then tell you that you had points, guess what they wont pay out, you wont get your money back and you will be done for driving without insurance its total win win for them

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  • all a bit too big brother Esq, it’s like enemy of the state. enough is enough

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  • So much for Data Protection…should be a law against this…wait there is!

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  • Will premiums be reduced for a clean record ………I think not …….

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  • Well there’s another hike on my premium.

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  • Like points, do Insurance companies take into account how long ago you committed a serious motoring offence. Does it’s affect on your premium span the lifetime of the points on your license?

    If this is an IT system being rolled out over the next “few months” is it going to be subject to the usual overrun and budget blowout?

    Frankly, I think this now raises more concerns for me than it answers. And luckily, and I currently have 0 points. I can’t see how giving more information is going to reduce my premium, as the gov’t can revoke access if they so wish if it doesn’t benefit consumers. There is no guarantee of savings, as why would those nice people in insurance companies go out of their way to cut their profit margin if they didn’t have to. I can see it being used to load people’s premiums quite heavily, but I don’t think the nature of the offence should be weighted on top of their penalty points, as if it was so serious the Gardaí would have disqualified the person from driving.

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  • Is the type of car or the type of driver that more significantly increases the probability of an accident? Sincere question?

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    • Statistically saloons and estates are the safest with young male drivers having the most expensive accidents

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    • Sounds about right. I was just thinking about the Australian example above; if everyone pays a single fee rolled into road tax, how is it weighted for different types or drivers and different types of vehicle, and which, drivers or vehicles, should be more heavily weighted? Or is it simply a rationalisation that younger drivers can’t afford bigger-engined cars?

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    • That’s a question you’d have to ask the insurance company’s actuary.

      That’s assuming it’s a proper insurance company, of course. A certain insurance company never employed an actuary.

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    • Hi Emily
      I know 1 actuary. Statistically that’s probably enough. He’s a straight ass poker up the hole dick who fixed his mortgage at an exorbitant rate for 5 yrs only to see the variable rate collapse 4 weeks later. ‘They’ know diddly squat about real life-real people-real problems. Why should they, on 300K pa? Discuss.

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    • I remember 2001 I was 21 a 1998 1.4 punto cost me 4500 to insure third party. Them were the days

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    • tom 05/02/13 #

      Small little hach backs have no rear crumple zone and very poor side protection, its been a lie a little 1 litter car is safer. We all know it but we choose to believe or accept what the insurance company tells us.

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  • I don’t have any points and I do not see why any insurance company should be able to look at my driver file without my permission. This means you can put anyone’s name into the computer and get their address and date of birth and god knows what else. I think it is a security risk, I don’t have anything to hide but I don’t think an insurance employee should be able to view people’s details. I’m sure they are not paying for the information and how long to they keep this information on file and how is it used an disposed of.

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  • An example of another financial institution getting the better of our naive politicians

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  • Does anyone know Is this going to be based on current points held or any points the driver has ever got ( even points that have be cleared) ?

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    • yes i would like to know this too. i have a careless driving conviction of 5 points that is due to expire in 5 months. i would imagine/hope this new scheme only applies to current points held though.would be extremely harsh otherwise as there would be no way of ever reversing it,there on the slate forever like a criminal record

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  • Insurance companies do not want to know as they have a “get out of paying” clause if someone gets points and subsequently has a claim and has not informed them. Anyway if it’s left up to Government to organize the computer linkup, it could be place sometime in 2020….possibly!

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  • I would question the right of a government minister to share a citizens private details with a third party private enterprise . Is this a violation of a citizens constitutional right to privacy ? Is this legal ?

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    • tom 05/02/13 #

      Its not legal but like the children’s referumendum they know its hard to prove and if you do it still doesn’t change anything. Even the ombudsman can prove the government wrong still nothing changes. Frightening when you think about the lack of countablity

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    • Stinger 05/02/13 #

      Sure come september your driving licence will be issued by private company SGS!they will have access to all your licence info and when they dnt want to do it anymore it will be tendered out for another company!

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  • Wat a joke every move in this country is Line there pockets

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  • John 04/02/13 #

    I would not say all car insurance are rogues but I’m certain that some are. For example, I was insurance with a company in Tallaght in 1998 and my son was named as second driver. After a short while we were unable to continue with them simply because they informed us that our premium was being increased to £7500 per year. We had no claims against them or other insurance companies. We found an insurance company that charged us £850 a year on condition that we submit a no claims bonus receipt from our previous company. The Tallaght company charged us £250 for the receipt which we considered daylight robbery.

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    • Lamb 05/02/13 #

      The only way to get a cheaper policy is to shop around. You should take a day to ring around or send e-mails for quotes everytime you renew your policy. I just got a 10% reduction in my premium while my previous insurance company was trying to raise my premium by 5%

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  • Well this will hit European Tribunal with a charges against the State. The same comes with a VRT which is illegal under the EU law. If you press the charges against Ireland in this case, revenue has to return what you’ve paid. Not many people know about it. Insurance companies by digging in driver’s private database, which stays between court, and prosecuted for speeding, drink driving and as such is violating person’s right to privacy and a good name. If someone has been facing court charges and paid penalties associated with the offence in this case is going to be punished once again just to stuff up insurance companies pockets?!!! This is a huge violation of civil rights by Minister of Transport!!

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  • Does anyone know if it is implemented yet?

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  • That’s a joke shouldn’t be allowed

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