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Three Labour senators break ranks over plan to scrap Seanad

The three senators are now likely to be kicked out of the Labour Parliamentary Party after supporting an opposition motion.

John Kelly, Denis Landy and James Heffernan all voted in favour of an opposition motion - resulting in an embarrassing 26-23 defeat for the government.
John Kelly, Denis Landy and James Heffernan all voted in favour of an opposition motion - resulting in an embarrassing 26-23 defeat for the government.

Updated, 17:33

THREE LABOUR SENATORS are likely to be kicked out of the Labour parliamentary party after they broke ranks and supported an opposition motion relating to the scrapping of the Seanad.

Senators John Kelly, Denis Landy and James Heffernan all broke with the party whip and supported a motion tabled by Fianna Fáil, Sinn Féin and two groups of independent senators relating to reform of the upper house.

Their motion called on the government to include the topic of Seanad reform in the upcoming Constitutional Convention, while the government itself plans to bypass the convention and hold a referendum on scrapping the chamber next year.

All three senators told TheJournal.ie they had consciously decided to break ranks, even though it put their membership of the Labour parliamentary party at risk, resulting in an embarrassing 26-23 defeat for the government.

Kelly said he had “consciously decided” to vote in favour of the motion because he felt the present Seanad was performing well, only just over a year into its term, and was continuing with reforms to make itself more effective.

Heffernan said likewise, saying he did not feel the Seanad “should be held up as a scapegoat for the political ills that have taken place in this country in the last 15 years”.

Lady said he could not understand why the Seanad was being automatically put forward for abolition when the other two arms of the Oireachtas, the Dáil and the Presidency, were both being put forward for debate in the Constitutional Convention.”

Conscious decision

TheJournal.ie understands that Labour senators met this afternoon – after the votes earlier this morning in which the government was beaten, for the first time in this Seanad’s lifetime – and were told that the whip would be strictly enforced.

This is likely to mean that all three will be automatically expelled from the Parliamentary Labour Party, though the party’s Seanad whip Susan O’Keeffe could not be contacted to confirm whether this was the case.

Heffernan told TheJournal.ie that the party had previously operated on the basis that senators would be given a free vote, without a party whip being applied, on matters relating to the future of the Seanad itself.

Landy said, however, that there was “no question” of a free vote in this afternoon’s vote, while Kelly said he would argue that Labour senators should be entitled to vote however they pleased on a matter relating to the future of the Seanad itself.

Two Labour TDs, Tommy Broughan and Patrick Nulty, have previously been automatically stripped of their parliamentary party membership for similar breaches of the party whip in the Dáil.

A Labour spokeswoman said the party’s chief whip Emmet Stagg would be asking O’Keeffe for a report of the afternoon’s events, but that the affair otherwise seemed “to be a bit of a storm in a teacup”.

The debate on Seanad reform had only been added to this afternoon’s agenda after the government lost two votes on the Order of Business this morning, largely as a result of the absence of several Fine Gael and Labour senators while the opposition boasted a near-perfect attendance.

The heated discussion saw only two speakers from the government side – FG’s Seanad leader Maurice Cummins and his Labour counterpart Ivana Bacik – prompting accusations from the opposition side that the government had ordered its members not to contribute.

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Comments (21 Comments)

  • Cracks beginning to appear in Labour? Wonder if any TD’s from the government side of the house will abstain in this evenings vote on the household charge?

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  • Shades of Déirdre de Búrca. They don’t stand up on a point of principle but for their own grubby ends.

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  • The headline should read “Turkeys refuse to vote for Christmas”. Cosetted, indolent, pointless windbags, undemocratically installed and suckling at the teat, draining this country of millions per year.

    Run for the Dáil, or get a proper job… wasters.

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  • Keep the senate, scrap the dail!

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  • Hahaha, on one article you’ve people giving out about the government giving jobs to the boys and only looking after themselves and their friends interests, and now you have the same shower defending the Seanad, the most useless establishment in our system and the defintion of jobs for the boys.

    Get yourselves together, ranting anti-government socialists, you’re showing no ability to apply logic consistently.

    The Seanad is a worthless waste of money and nothing more. Senators here are hacks who’ve had a cushy position handed to them on the back of their relationships with the government and contribute absolutely nothing to the state of the country.

    I know the SF/ULA crowd aren’t the smartest, but a little bit of consistency would go a long way.

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  • What planet is Kelly on. The Senate may be doing a job well, but we don’t want or need the job to be done. The fact that he says it is ‘trying to make itself more effective’ shows that it is operating at a less than effective level anyway. Would he be so keen if he wasn’t actually a member? And Heffernan should realise that nobody is blaming the Seanad for the ills of the last 15 years. We just believe that the second chamber is pointless, as are its members. They should leave and try to find a more constructive role in the rebuilding of the country.

    The labour party should expel them and refuse them any nominations for a Dail run, if the party is to be seen to have any principles at all

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    • The Senators should all stand for election to Dail Eireann and if they fail in that then they should get the hell out of politics and get a real job where they work for their money and earn their perks etc. and provide some service to the country.

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    • Aisling, John Kelly was an independent on Roscommon council who ran in the 2007 GE but was not elected. He joined labour before the last election but failed to get elected again, not good enough to represent the people but good enough for the Seanad it seems.

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    • What would that role be, Tom?

      Would one have to learn German or French?

      They might be safer in the Seanad where we can keep an eye on them!

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    • Pointless? We need something to keep an eye on the shower in the other house? Certainly not the opposition that is f.f. Say what you will but id rather have a seanad that not.

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  • Never heard tell of these guys before……….they certainly haven’t brought themselves to National attention and therefore prove the irrelevance of this unrepresentative Upper House.
    In certain circumstances I would like to see a Body which represents all the strata of Society established to act in an advisory capacity to the Governments of the day.

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    • Paul 20/06/12 #

      That’s what the Seanad was intended to be at the outset with representation of sectors of the people, and industries, so there’d be representatives of the farming community, healthcare etc to have relevant knowledgeable opinions in there to balance out the guff and bluff from lawyers, teachers, accountants and other assorted gobsh1tes, such as sons of former TDs who have no skills or knowledge at all, just a family tradition.

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  • ‘undemocratically installed’ allows talent [e.g. Eamon Coughlan, Fiach MacConghail, Dr Martin McAleese, Jillian van Turnhout, Ms Katherine Zappone] into our populist political system. We had a democratically elected parliament for the past two decades and it bankrupted the country. The Seanad should be retained and 50% of its members appointed from civil society i.e. reformed, as a means of keeping check of our democracy – the pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance.

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  • I smell a rat or 3.

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