I wonder what side they represent?

Why are there “sides” in this Chelseajoe?

Joe is the same guy who thinks the No side is full of conspiracy theorists?

Epic hypocrisy fail!
Can you even see the irony of your post?

The irony was meant!

Actually, come to think of it, I’m done believing gilmore.

majority will vote yes its for the best

Don’t count it Vinnie. Even if a majority is scared into a yes vote, there is still hope as the treaty is likely to be dust binned pretty soon.

I am taking a stand going to vote yes, have not been given a good reson not too and name calling and abuse definitely wont change my mind , because thats all that usually all that happens when i say this

Fair play Joe. Vote whatever way you feel is right, and do not stand for the bullying and attempts to guilt people into voting one way or another. We need to be able to discuss the actual treaty without resorting to childish nonsense.

Having read the treaty, I will be voting “No”. That is my decision as it stands at the moment, but I have no doubt some people will have a go at me for having my own opinion.

Nice one Joseph. Looking forward to the pic.

Save the paper joseph … It’s funny how the messages on the yes posters from FG apply more to the No side then their own.

http://www.broadsheet.ie/2012/05/01/that-was-quick/

Good man Joseph looking forward to the picture.

Pete, please tell your youngest that his wishes are appreciated and valued, even though he is not eligible to vote yet.

And the no voters, Gerry Adams, Joe higgins, That Murphy fella, Richard Boyd Barrett, Mary Lou Mac, Nigel Farage UKIP.. 6 great reasons to vote yes.

Dhakina’s Sword….My youngest is 17 and brains to burn……but see’s no future for himself or his friends in this beautiful country of ours if this so called treaty is passed……….

and as of tonight you can add Declan Ganley to that list!

I don’t know what to say to you Pete, other than to wish you and your family good luck. These are certainly interesting times as Confucious would say. I don’t know your personal circumstances, but it might not be a bad idea to discuss the various options available to you with your family. All I know is that the captains of our ship are drunk at the wheel. That’s my opinion and I see no change coming soon. It’s not for me to say, but I would never critisise someone for leaving a sinking ship.

“I’d prefer to play the ball and not the man…” but I’m going to play the man anyway…
Nobody on the no side seems to want to play the ball. I’m leaning towards the yes side but could be convinced to vote no if I heard any realistic arguments. If someone could actually answer questions like the one posed elsewhere in this thread (how do the no side propose we’re going to close the deficit?) it would go a long way towards swinging undecided voters.

So voting yes isn’t playing ball no ones say don’t pay just keep odds even. You are voting to tie one hand behind your back. Turkeys voting for Christmas!

older generation will vote yes en masse cause they are frightened.
Just like they paid the household chare. They were scared of being brought to court!

Scare tactics work in Ireland because we are a repressed down trodden society.

About the same Sir. Cant say this poll tallies with what i’m hearing at all, but then many people say one thing and do another!

About 1 in 5 are no voters at my work place, with 1 undecided and 3 yes. It depends on the demographics of your co-workers and friends I reckon.

Not so sure Senan about the old people thing.
Me aul ma is in her 90′s and she’s votin a big fat NO.
She reckons FG/LAB are, and i quote her here

“Nothin but a load a surrender monkeys
Who’d sell us out quicker than a popcorn fart!”

Fair play to your Mother Joseph but unfortunately i fear she is in the minority

Haha Joe,
My own Mam who’s been pretty apolitical all her life always raises a smile in me when she now shouts “bollocks” at the telly on the odd occasion Enda appears on it.

Two No and one Yes in my house. I’m working hard here to convert to three No.

Any one that i know young and old are voting no

My mother is in her 70s and every time Enda Kenny appears on tv she says the same thing “Why do they always have that fool on the telly” She will be voting a big NO

Ill be voting No

My husband will be voting No

Of the 8 friends I have asked, 4 are voting No, 2 voting yes, 2 undecided

That is exactly a reason why our vote does count. The larger countries will just disregard the requirements of this treaty as has been seen with Spain while forcing the smaller member states to pay crippling fines.

Well, funnily enough, that has been happening up until now. The larger member states just managed to exit the agreement and do their own thing without a problem. This treaty is here to plug that loophole and puts us all on an equal footing – something we have been demanding for a long time. Plus now, its no longer “Germany and France” bossing us about. The French have a new president who seems more thinking our way, and while he has back peddled a little since his election, which I hope will further work in our favour. Greece is a goner by the looks.

The tide is turning away from the big bosses, and to a more equal sharing union which is exactly what we are voting for. The treaty is not giving us restrictions we have not had before – they were just easily ignored and simply inadequate, but we voted them in as its better than nothing. Now they are being improved, and its a welcome improvement.

We risk being completely removed from the ESM (European Fund) if we did actually Vote No, but other options (including an alternative offered by the EU, which is unlikely) are much more severe – higher interest rates and stricter terms. After all our complaining about the EU Bailout, demanding write downs and better interest rates, why would we just leave for another loan provider who are going to screw us even more? Just so we have more of a reason to complain and make demands? Yeah, like they are going to give a shit.

Safe and more stable Ireland if we vote Yes. The figures stack up in the Yes side favour while the No side cant even get their figures to begin with.

Kevin,
Does the concept of sovereignty mean anything to you? Your notion that we would ever be on “an equal footing” in Europe is simply deluded.
Europe needs us as much as we need it at the moment and our own Gov is complicit with the EU in threatening us in order to enshrine ongoing austerity into our constitution.
You talk of us demanding write downs and better interest rates, when did all this happen? I missed it.
Our Gov is not willing to stand up for this county or it’s sovereignty, but I for one will be voting no because I have no interest in preserving the status quo for the elite at the expense of people like the “goners” you mention in Greece.
Vote No.

Yeah since when did a few million people ever mater to Germany. Votes No means that we get free Train passes to happy camps in Poland

ooh yeah lets cut off our noses to spite our faces that will teach them

I always find any link back to the war offensive and representative of ignorance on the part of the person who makes such a suggestion.

I always find blackmail, lies and threats offensive, hence my ‘NO’ vote.

I think you are wrong blaming the Germans. They are every bit high jacked as us. The people behind this takeover/invasion/coup are the same people who funded both sides during all the past wars. Its the families behind the worlds big 5 banks. Its the NWO happening right before your eyes. Its impossible to stop an enemy if you don’t recognize them.

scary how many people are being scared into a Yes vote. wee bit pathetic also.

Yeah – pretty depressing.
If the “stability treaty” is passed I wonder how long after the 31st of May until the complete collapse of the Euro….. not long probably.
I hope people who are voting YES at least realise this treaty wants “convergence” of policies and that it is a further stepping stone toward a United States of Europe.

Agree, my parents went from no to yes because of the esm scare tactic.

They don’t know the full extent if it or why now is a time to take a stand and not enshrine austerity into our constitution.

It really saddens me that the Irish will go this way without a whimper.

There are leaders and there are followers. The majority are followers and don’t have the strength of their convictions. Just saddens me.

No to the end.
D

@ Dave you’re so wrong. Accept that whatever the Irish choose is democracy at work. Don’t assume that the yes side are voting for something we haven’t looked into, I know what I’m voting for.

Do you really Rob, because Hollande has stated that he will refuse to ratify the treaty in its current form, making changes likely. So do you REALLY know what you’re voting on?

Some of the “yes” voters are probably intending to vote yes because they want to stay close to Europe, because they want to keep the euro, and because they don’t like some of the wilder antics of the people campaigning for a no vote.

I’m voting no because I’m pro-Europe. The EU has done a great deal for Ireland, and has helped us stand on our feet as an economically independent country. However, I believe the present policy of austerity is going to kill the EU stone dead.

We can see this in the reaction of other countries, including even Germany. The fiscal compact is not the solution to the crisis and should be rejected. Don’t vote yes just because it has an EU stamp on it.

Why? A yes is a yes and a no is a no. In any case let that up to the political parties.

simply because we dont know exactly how accurate the polls are until we know how much of a variety there is in them, for all we know a good number of people could all be in a certain age bracket or from a certain place therefore not giving an accurate poll result

Well,I for one, can tell you that I’ve been surveyed by phone on several occasions. You could check with Red C to find out the criteria they’ve used.

I have already checked to find out what criteria they use but it still doesnt tell me how accurate their poll is because basically theres no way of finding out any information about the people they asked, all it tells me is how they conduct the polls and thats not alot of good when I want to know things like where are the people from and what age they are

Since when is telling the truth a form of bullying?

Since when did this govt tell the truth?

Telling the truth ……….. Wake up and smell the coffee. Do you remember Lisbon. Vote yes for jobs…. We are still waiting for them. More BS from the government to get it passed and like fools we believed them VOTE NO.

Ah yes, the same Eamonn Gilmore who was telling us Ireland and Greeces situation is totally different when greece got the debt writeoff. Filppety flop.

So had we had a no vote in the Lisbon treaty, would we still not be in the shit? Of course we would, when that treaty was held, things were very different for all nations within the EU.

The ‘jobs’ comment you made is irrelevant.

You got one thing right there Nucky me boy.
Those jobs as it turns out were irrelevent

since when has this goverment started to tell the truth.

The only way of avoiding Greece’s faith is to do an Iceland.

no it most certainly should not be compulsary to vote people died to give us a right to vote fining people for not voting is not a right to vote.And i no some people will say not voting is excersising that right but at the end of the day thats your personal choice but you should definately not be forced to vote

Totally agree Holmes voting should be compulsory …

Surely you can exercise your right not to vote by writing an objection on the ballot paper and spoiling a vote. Some constituencies at GE11 had turnouts of below 45%. So could you argue that a higher proportion of the said constituency don t want public representation.
My second point is that if as you say people have died to give you the right to vote then get off your fat arse and respect their memory by voting.

I think I would prefer 60% who make sure they are somewhat well informed on both sides rather than getting individuals to go into a booth and play “pick-a-box” to avoid a €1000 fine.

I got distracted during that post and had meant to add, that I don’t agree with the blatantly racist tones inherent within that quote. I remember David Trimble saying as much regarding Catholics in 1995, or so. His words, equally unacceptable, were along the lines of ” The only good Catholic is a dead Catholic”. This was said in a jocular fashion in the back of a cab before the peace agreements had taken hold. Nonetheless, regardless of bad taste and personal grievances, the third world war being fought on economic grounds, as opposed to military grounds, is thought provoking to say the least.

Good point O’ Reilly, they are against everything in the south but up north they have cut almost everything in the budget. They practice Narnia ecomomics when not knee capping and robbing banks.

Can I ask why you continue to reference SF in your post? I will be voting No and am not a supporter of SF.

Voting yes will take food off the table. Do the right thing for your country and your children Vote No. The real unemployment rate is 30% if u adjust for emigration save our kids.

Gavin, I reference Sinn Fein as the leading NO vote protagonists and the most vocal exponent of the “lost sovereignty” nonsense…

and has it crossed your mind that a large majority of people who are voting no do not support SF or The ULA?

Of course it is. Not the result you were expecting?

So you dismiss the drop of 4% for the government parties?

Show me a mid-term government in the middle of a financial crisis that hasn’t suffered a a fall in popularity. No fan of this gov,by the way.

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Believe it or not Ian, but people outside your circle of acquaintances may think differently. And even more bizzarely,many won’t express their intentions for fear of ridicule.

If this poll is a true reflection, then I’m truly ashamed to be an Irishman! With all that’s happened in the last week or so, the majority of Irish people are still going to vote yes! That being the case, then we deserve to be governed by pompous fools like Kenny and Gilmore! A nation of self centred cowards! At least the Greek people have balls!

Kevin, if you just replaced No with Yes in your post I think you’d find a more accurate portrayal of the truth…

Kevin.
Thats pure horse sh*te.
I know of one person who tells me she is going to vote yes, she isnt stupid but she actually cant say why other than she has been terrified by the government to vote for the treaty. She doesn’t understand it and neither will she listen to what it is about.
All the scaremongering is from the Yes side.
I have a degree, I can read for myself and Im not a radical of any sort, so stop assuming (you and Robin etc) that anyone who wishes/decides to vote NO is an idiot.

Robin, your comments are naive and immature. Everyone has an opinion and the majority are making the decision with the best interests of their country at heart. For you to say it’s common sense to vote yes shows an enormous lack of understanding of simple economics on your part. There are a few vested interests with selfish motives driving the yes campaign, that’s a fact, companies availing of 12.5% corp tax, ministers who want an MEP pension as well as a TD’s etc etc. I am not a Sinn Fein supporter, not a left winger and have read the treaty and I still say no thanks to it. So please keep your prejudicial remarks for the exit polls on the 31st of May where they will be more welcome!

Maybe they read Nobel Prize economist Paul Krugman’s take on it, he calls it the European economic suicide pact. Maybe they have seen how the Spanish Consv. PM Rajoy, is openly ignoring it. That the German parl. does not have the votes to pass it and on and on and on.

or we could descend to your level and say all the Yes voters are only doing it because they saw it on a poster, and Cathy Walsh is a no voter and she has smelly feet, so everyone else is voting yes.

Well said Diarmuid. Sick of people who object to this treaty being labeled as uneducated, ill informed SF supporters.

It seems it’s only the No voters who are continuously hijacking almost every article (regardless of topic) on the Journal to spread their word. Red thumb away!

Completely agree Diarmaid. It seems that if you oppose the government in this country you are automatically a SF / ULA supporter.
I’ll be voting No … and just for your benefit Robin, I am not a SF supporter nor a ULA supporter.

I read it and I don’t see the benefit of it for Ireland. I’d say there is more people that haven’t read that will be voting Yes.

Ohh go back to Politics.ie Buckwheat!

This is a comment section and people are entitled to give their opinions. Nobody is “hijacking” anything!

Diarmuid, thanks for taking the time to reply and thanks too for labelling my comments “naive and immature”!

I note your reply doesn’t address the treaty and instead suggests it’s the little more than some weird conspiracy.

I rest my case about people thinking about this treaty in terms of telephone pole posters :-)

I agree 100% Diarmaid,
sick of some of the yes men
saying or implying those of us on the No side
are either too stupid to have read it or we are SF.

Well said robin. Was never going to go down well with the crowd of nah sayers on this site though.

Well robin if you read it, you would vote know, unless of course your IQ is in parity with the lying blue shirt.

Oh just give it a rest Robin will you please! “No voters are stupid / ye’re only voting no cause sinn fein said to / Me and my pals from Trinity know way more / sher you think money grows on trees” . I’ve heard it all pal. I, as many people who know me would contest to, would lean slightly to the right of centre, have read arguments from both sides, love my country despite all the crap that has gone on, want a secure and stable future for me kids and have read the treaty. I have also read the treaty as well as having studied basic economics in college, don’t remember alot of it mind you, but for you to accuse me or any No voter that we are being led by telephone pole posters smacks of arrogance being written by a sneering keyboard warrior. Such arrogance does your cause no favours, but then again you seem to fit in well with Brian Hayes, Lucinda etc. Try listening to people and having a nit more understanding and respect for peoples opinion before boarding your delusional high horse next time round!

Actually Diarmuid Constantin Gurdgiev Trinity Economist is also saying to vote no

Dear Robin, your not very clever if you think everyone who is going to vote no is a Sinn Fein supporter….. I for one always makes my own mind up and it won’t be based on what I’m told I should vote…. We all know the rich like yourself will lose way more than the rest of us if there is a no vote…

But one more thing I predict no matter what way that this referendum ends the croke park agreement will be put in the shredding machine within 2 months of it ending….. So all you public sector workers out there wake up don’t blindly vote yes to this insane treaty…. You heard it hear first you have been warned…. Do what’s right for the large majority of people in ireland – have some sense please vote no

Good observation Cormac, I stand corrected, however, I think you see my point ;)

Constantin Gurdgiev and Anthony Coughlan both of TCD.

Eddie Hobbs succumbs to SF Referendum posters.
” Fear will drive the Yes campaign as assuredly as anger will drive the No one. Politically its that simple. But what of the economics? Pure horse sense tells us to stay out of this Fiscal Compact simply because it cannot work. Ireland’s economy cannot carry the national debt, the internal debt like the Public Sector pension liability mountain and the vast scale of private indebtedness. How can increased taxes and further cuts ignite growth when both personal and Government spending are in decline?To believe that exports can carry the day anymore is delusional, not without domestic economic recovery. Austerity isn’t designed to create growth, it is designed to bring the fiscal deficit back into balance. That is incompatible with growth. Still Eurozone policymakers talk the language of austerity, not growth and now wish us to vote for it.”

@robin
Take your condescending attitude somewhere else. I’m not SF or any of the rest of those aholes either.

I wouldn’t trust a politician as far as I could throw their gout ridden corpses.

I’ve read every scrap of anything that I could get my hands on. Listened to every debate on radio.

I’m voting no because I feel on balance it’s not the best thing for the country.

D

This is getting retarded now. I won’t be voting but if I could I’m inclined to a no vote. This entire thread has been insult after insult.

@Dave ” Well robin if you read it, you would vote know, unless of course your IQ is in parity with the lying blue shirt.”
Fantastic reason for voting no there.

@Diarmaid
Oh just give it a rest Robin will you please! “No voters are stupid / ye’re only voting no cause sinn fein said to /Me and my pals from Trinity know way more / sher you think money grows on trees”
Quotation marks are used for something somebody actually said.

@mojorise
” . We all know the rich like yourself will lose way more than the rest of us if there is a no vote…”
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@Sean
The only sensible arguement

Its going to be difficult either way so lay off the insults and debate this properly please

Probably a fair assessment.

Got to laugh at these RedC polls, they always seem to be conducted among party members

Fago,
Take heart compadre!
2 weeks and 5 days can be a long time in politics,
Anything can happen between now and then.

It will probably will be passed and it saddens me that we can be dictated to like that, but what really makes me despair is the rise in support for FF in the same pole. Truly depressing.

Basic rule of thumb when voting in European Treaties, whatever they tell you…do the opposite.
The following are simple understandable facts about Ireland:

Everything Irish politicians tell you is a lie
All of their threats are empty
Whatever they say is best for Ireland, is for their best interests only
They do not care about the people
The Irish government is made up of teachers and lawyers who are not qualified to advise us about anything
It is said that our leader Enda Kenny has the lowest IQ of any leader in the world

No..when they ask you the first time
No..when they ask you the second time
No..when they ask you the third time

Vote no for you, yes for politicans. Simple

FG, FF & Labour is voting yes.

Who needs a better reason to vote no?

IRA/Sinn Fein, radicals and oddball indos want you to vote No – thats a better reason to vote Yes in my opinion

Irish Politicians, Traitors, Sheep, The EU and Ignorant fools want you to vote yes, thats enough reason to vote NO in my opinion

Vote Yes and be a Europuppet Also-ran.

Do what everyone else does and you get what everyone else gets.

Our ”leaders” and ”protectors” allowing their people to be abused by big a big international organisation??

Deja Vu ?

Succinct and cogent analysis. I think we are all sick of austerity in this country and the NO side are fixated with the phrase. Much of the electorate are jaded as a result of the seemingly endless negative economic forecasts and are looking for a more hopeful message. SF etc. need to relent on the whole ‘ austerity’ message and give people a more tangible reason to support their campaign.

How can you possibly talk about true democracy and vote yes at the same time.
Unreal

Do you have any opinions of your own or do you just comment on other peoples posts?

Thats it? Thats ur answer?
Sorry there Karl but that is just lame,
no not lame, a better word would be limp.

Give me one good reason to vote no, something realistic please?

Realistic?
Now in all fairness how can I possibly know
about what you consider real.

Anyway Ill try.
The is nothing democratic about handing over more power
and control to fewer and fewer people who YOU do not elect.

Its yet another layer of elite(dont really like that word, but it will do for now)
Its another step in disempowering average citizens
both here and in Europe.

You say “How are the left going to close the deficit?”
Really, do you think we can close the deficit by borrowing more?
It doesn’t make sense.

I am very curious, how they can continue they way we are without cutting anything, they seem to be against cutting anything always refering to the working man when infact the far left get their votes from people that never worked. Joe Higgins, RBB and that Murphy fella whose name escapes me now, none of them have ever worked or contributed to the Irish economy i their lives, they are like leeches living off the poor tax man

You asked me a question,
but your last post made no reference to it at all.
Whats up with that?

Karl, i have to laugh,
its 40 minutes since your last post(confession)
and you have 8 thumbs up and zero thumbs down.
Hillarious! the aul back channel button got pushed, eh?
Ya silly wee sausage ya. It’s sweet in its own way.

Whenever you get a chance, in your own time of course sir,
you might share your thoughts on my response to your question.
Muchas grassy arse

Joseph McGee, your a likable lefty..there is a first for everything I suppose.. I still have not heard from one left leaning person how the deficit can be closed? I am intrigued! it seems easier to crack the enigma code than getting a realistic answer about the economy from the left.

Left? Me…
Im not so sure about that.
I find it hard to put meself into any ‘bracket’ these days.
I’m not soft, 6 years in the army, pensioned off due to accident,
I realise im not hard, how many comprises have i made,
so TBH i dont see meself anywhere.

Are you going to answer my question or not.
If your not, its ok son, just tell me to fook off,
at least that way id respect your upfrontness,
and not waste me time time any more.

Karl, I’m voting NO. That doesn’t mean I don’t want to see the books balanced. It means I don’t want to rip up the constitution to let a foreign power decide how to balance the books for us. I don’t know how I’ll be able to shake hands with a yes voter, thinking all the while the treasonous f##ker willingly signed the country away.

Karl dont be a dope, answer the question

Karl you have the ability to earn €100 only this may grow or shrink in time but that’s all you can earn this week. You have a choice you can feed your family or pay a bank (that may or may not have lent you money)

What do you do? Feed your family of course.

Now enter the constitution altered by the fiscal treaty. This says you must pay the banker and starve.

And if you don’t you will be fined an unlimited amount.

Economics, stability, bond holders, jargon the bottom line is really simple vote No

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Anyone can go back and read my posts. I was not being rude at all.

Please don’t block Darren again. His attempts to pretend he is objective are mildly entertaining.

Form a queue at the airports if this is passed.

Please explain how keeping to a maximum deficit of 0.5% is going to lead to a prosperous future for everyone when the interest we pay on our money supply is far higher than 0.5%? Can’t you see that this requirement mandates a shrinking economy?

Nucky,
for a properous future for everyone???
HA HA OOOhhhhhhh haha……
You’re either a comedian or a tad deluded!

It’ll be a prosperous future for a few alright.

A mixture of growth and debt forgiveness. We will be back to 4% growth within 3 years and we will have an orderly default of most of our banking debt.

@tom I don’t see how consistently spending over 0.5% on a current account deficit (note the structural deficit doesn’t include 1 time infrastructural spending) will allow us to balance our books, real growth doesn’t come from the government consistently spending more than it takes in, it comes from the private sector.

Most Scandinavian countries keep a structural deficit of below 0.5% and they’re doing pretty alright for themselves!!

You’re bang on there Dave. It just goes to show that social democratic governments work

So basically Nucky you think that when we are bound legally more to Europe, the crowd of bureaucrats that tied banking debt on a concrete block of the Irish states feet, to save German banks, you think that they will feel philanthropic all of a sudden because we changed our constitution in line with orders from Germany. That’s why you’re voting yes? Can you just clarify that for me?

@David – When are the Yes side going to accept that this treaty is not about living within our means or bringing down our debt and more about having unelected bureaucrats who don’t have to live in this country, raise children in this country, grow old in this country, get sick in this country, be taught in this country, die in this country decide what WE DO with OUR TAXES! This cannot be undone, it’s irreversible. You are happy to have unelected bureaucrats be in command of the economic sovereignty forever without ever stepping a foot in our country. If you are, you would want to seriously address your love for your nation and everything this country stands for.

We may be in a spot of trouble everyone, we may have seen better days but for God sake, please do not fall for the petty arguments and ramblings of the yes side, a side who have lied to get into office only 12 months ago, a side who had Bertie Ahern at the helm for nearly two decades, a side who has ulterior motives. Please do not sign away the economic sovereignty of our great nation at the behest of a few multinationals who’d leave this country if they could do business somewhere with a lower tax rate. Love your country and respect your forefathers and I say this as a centre right advocate and not a Sinn Fein supporter. This time round Sinn Fein are looking out for Irelands future!

I agree limofax

Bye ps vote no

We got the message the first time, O Intelligent One.

better uninstall twice to be sure. ;)

Thanks for the chuckle Stephen, hearing a fianna fail man talk about stability and common sense is like hearing quazimodo telling you to sit up straight.

must be jobs in australia you are referring to, because this treaty doesn’t guarantee any more jobs…. Naive…

I guess people can’t tell when a poster is making a joke. Maybe if you put it in quotations Dougal :P

What bloody jobs you idiot

Spot on, no fan but they are the most credible of a very sorry bunch. Apart from Enda that is who is just a waste of space!

I didn’t realise ‘let germany make our decisions for us’ WAS a credible option.

Paul, ‘painful cuts’ are enshrined in the treaty. In Irelands case a ‘yes’ vote necessitated 5-6 billion in EXTRA cuts in 2015 to reduce the structural deficit from 3.5% to 0.5%, and the a further 20 YEARS of cuts beyond our control which will be etched in our constitution via the 1/20th rule.

This is not scaremongering like the ‘what if’ tactics manufactured by the ‘yes’ side, this is in black and white.

This post by Paul is the perfect No promotion quote. As you said TT this is clearly in black and white the negative impact of the treaty. I find it hilarious reading comments above from Pro Treaty people saying the no side are engaging in negative scaremongering with no facts. As TT has just quite rightly pointed out, all we have heard from the yes side is “what if” and references to calamity and how we’ll end up like Greece (Gilmore) and how this is a treaty on membership of the Euro (Kenny). Both are infactual lies with no basis in reality. On the flip side the no side are dealing in reality.

Mmmmm……
Not working…Please try again next week :-)

Not working Darren take the hint vote NO

Most of the posters on this website are poorly informed. You can spot them easily enough though. They’re the ones who think Ireland can go it alone.

Robin, I think your record has a crack in it?

Speak for yourself Robin. Though it appears that if you actually did read the telephone posters you would be better informed.

Oh God, Ross who said anything about going it alone. At least listen to the other side before spouting rubbish will you?