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Almost 11,000 Leaving Cert students to benefit from bonus Maths points

The college points race begins in earnest on Monday – but already the bonus points project seems to be working.

Comments like this became rarer among Honours Maths students this year.
Comments like this became rarer among Honours Maths students this year.
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ALMOST 11,000 students will gain 25 extra college application points when the first round of college offers is distributed on Monday, after a bonus points incentive scheme saw a major rise in the number of students passing Higher-Level Maths.

Figures compile by the State Examinations Commission show that the number of students taking the honours Maths paper shot up in 2012, with 22.1 per cent of all Maths students opting for the higher level papers.

A total of 11,131 students took the honours option – while 33,916 took the ordinary level paper, and 5,395 took the subject at foundation level.

That compares to 8,235 students who took the honours paper in 2011 – an increase of 35 per cent. Last year 37,506 students had sat the pass paper, while 6,249 had opted for foundation level.

This year 22.1 per cent of students taking Maths at any level opted for the honours paper – that’s up from 15.8 per cent in 2011 – and of those who did, 9.5 per cent got A grades.

In all, 97.6 per cent of the students who took honours maths won the D3 grade that got them 25 extra points. That pass rate is also slightly up from last year’s 96.9 per cent, which in turn was a slight improvement on 2010.

All in all, the tweak means that around 10,860 students should be in line for a 25-point top-up this year – considerably more than the 7,980-or-so who would have merited the extra points if the same system had existed last year.

Innovation minister Seán Sherlock welcomed the increase in numbers taking the subject at higher levels, and said the Project Maths project – in which students are taught a more application-based course – had contributed to the increase.

“I am confident that these measures will help to further embed the core principles of Project Maths into the education system,” Sherlock said.

2012 marks the first time that all students taking Maths at higher level will receive extra college entry points for passing the subject.

Previously only one college, the University of Limerick, had offered an entry-based incentive for students to take honours Maths. UL had offered extra points on a sliding scale, with A1 students earning 40 extra points while a student with a C3 grade was given 5.

The National Parents’ Council is running a helpline today to offer assistance to students and parents seeking it. It can be contacted at 1800 265 165.

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Comments (14 Comments)

  • It’s a demand led adjustment. Universities want more maths and science undergrads so an incentive has been created. That’s life….fair or unfair doesn’t come into it.

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  • Did students take Maths to get the extra points, or because they actually are going to study further in Maths science and engineering.. There is a big difference there. I feel some students will fell cheated

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    • The gap in difficulty between Higher Maths and Ordinary Maths is bigger than in any other subject. They cant make Higher any easier without leaving students woefully unprepared for college (still a question over whether they have already done this) but also cant make Ordinary any harder without spiking failure rates so something had to be done to improve our dismal numbers taking the higher course.

      Besides mathematical skills of the kind covered at higher level maths have applications ranging far beyond just Maths, Science, CompSci and Engineering, Business students will do maths, Economics is more mathematical than some hard sciences, Psychology (and select fields within many arts subjects) should require a solid grasp of statistics, people don’t realise when they drop to Ordinary just how useful Higher Maths can be. If some people feeling hard done by is the price for fixing this then so be it.

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  • Off we go throwing our eggs in the one basket again. Ten years ago, when I was in school, you were mad if you weren’t going for a trade, now students are being made focus on maths because of the IT sector, a sector which is extremely mobile. Where is the sense of balance in all of this?

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    • The IT sector maybe mobile, but it will go where the talent and tax breaks are. We can dish out tax breaks to beat the band. But we need to grow the talent to ensure that there is enough to attract the companies in. Also 10 – 20 years ago, it was all in trade as there wan’t much of this IT stuff around. We are changing with the times and adapting to the current environment. I just hope that the extra points that students pick up are utilised in getting further education in these sort of fields and that it is a worth while process, not just to be abused to get extra points to go on somewhere else. Only time will tell though.

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    • Sorry, I don’t mean to sound so negative about it. Obviously if there is a genuine improvement in Maths that is good, however, what I disagree with is such emphasis being put on it, probably at the expense of other important subjects, simply to tick a box for the multinationals.

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  • For my leaving cert I did all honours subjects except for maths. If I had have done that this year I’d feel very cheated. It’s not fair to award extra points for one subject alone. I understand the reasoning, to improve the standard of maths etc but at the same time there is more than one type of intelligence.

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    • andrew 15/08/12 #

      Yes there is more than one type of intelligence but it seems mathamatical competency is more valued by 3rd level education than languages, humanities etc. The CAO points system is right to reflect this.

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    • I understand your point completely, but maybe if we focused more on languages more companies would be willing to invest here. PayPal in Dundalk found it difficult to find people with a high enough standard of foreign languages for their customer call centre. I feel embarrassed travelling to other countries where they all have some standard of English whereas in Dublin airport the signs are mainly in Irish or English. If I were a non English speaking tourist I would be very dissatisfied with the lack of multi-lingual signs/speakers here.

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  • Is the extra points unfair ? That is my question.

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    • to be fair, i dropped to ordinary maths after my mocks as i knew i could get at least the same points if not more by getting an A1 at ordinary than i would have gotten than by getting a D at honours with far less effort so i could focus on other subjects. the difference between ordinary and honours is huge and maths is harder than most (not all) other subjects at honours level

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  • So if gifted in maths you get an additional benefit………and people are calling this right???

    The whole LC needs reform but we are not a progressive group us Irish so we’ll unjustly award one group of skilled individuals and say tough to the rest. Sound familier??

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  • How is scraping a D grade at higher level supposed to be improving the standard of Maths in the country? Surely a D grade means that they are still not very good at maths……

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