cost == eeny meeny miney moe…..and four bundles and so on down the line

Those just out of university wouldn’t be the most likely to become long term unemployed I’d say.

And in fairness working in a shop is beneath no one. I did it for 4 years and would do it again if I had to.

To be honest the industrious grads will probably try get any job and springboard to a career from there… Also degrees are not worth nothing. Students graduating in computer science will have many opportunities and some friends who have recently graduated in business, hr and science have done well as graduates and gotten on the career they want.

Benefit supported unemployment should not be a lifestyle choice. If you cannot immediately find the job that you believe you are qualified for and choose not to work at anything else, why should the State support you?

Honest paid work is not beneath anyone ,

Absolutely nothing wrong with working as a cashier with a degree. I would have much more respect for someone who did that.

It’s better than scrounging off the state…

Presuming your degree was not retail related, you already expect to be unemployed and seeking benefit? Fantastic ambition

My degree is in Journalism but I work in energy severance but it’s far better than being on the dole I think. I can’t get dole anyway as I have a herd number and I wouldn’t as I don’t agree with it…

What is energy severance and are you willing to pay the FULL COMMERCIAL cost of your “journalism course. Christ help us, if muppets like you are the journalists of the future.

Donncha
What is a herd number ?

A herd number is a number that farmers have to designate their herd. Energy severance is self explanatory, what do you mean? I educated myself in the Uk paid £3,500 a year tuition, but there are no jobs in journalism. How does my eagerness to make a living dispite the economic circumstances hinder my journalistic ability. I may work in an industry or profession that deals with the lowest echelons of society who struggle in the harshest and most harrowing circumstances and conditions. This said, I am glad to have a job, and I still maintain an active twitter and blog, just because I’m not writing in news papers and using my qualification to fund my life it doesn’t mean I’m a worthless or unintelligent parasite. I think what you said reflects far more on your alleyway like narrowmindedness.

Donncha
I am a city girl ! I have never heard of a herd number . Also my ignorance knows no bounds tonight ,but I have never heard of energy severance either. Congratulations on getting your qualifications in journalism , I don’t think anyone meant you are worthless or unintelligent. However if some one is not working and they do not have a herd number or any other fall backthen the only option is to go to social welfare, which does not entitle anyone to tell them that they are ”scrounging off the state” .Particularly if they have dependents. Good luck in your job and good luck with your degree.

I agree . This ”man” is a disgrace to himself and his family and a burden to us all .

And there are thousands more, anyone who didn’t work through the Celtic tiger should be denied dole automatically. These people don’t want to work. Every single father must pay for his child. I know a single girl working two jobs who is getting less money than a single mother who never worked has a child with her live in BF who the gov don’t know about in the house that our tax money paid for. Our tax money bought her a laptop and computer lessons and she’s going abroad on holiday a few times this year again with our tax money. She’s doing some laughing at us eejits working!!
I’d rather my money went to nurses and garda and fire men and honest people.
If you are going to thumbs down my comment could you please explain why, only cowards don’t agree with something and then don’t say anything about it, thanks

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FAS staff seek €6000 pay increase in spite of Croke Park.
http://www.independent.ie/national-news/fas-staff-sought-6000ayear-pay-hike-for-moving-to-new-department-2997210.html

This madness can’t go on anymore, we have to stop it now.

I have seen first hand the type of people who have always lived off the social and they are a bunch of cretins, they’d rob the green and breach the peace! These people, largely, have no ambition beyond those who conceived of them in the back of a pickup.
This is a social problem and in my humble opinion, it needs to be tackled earlier on to change the mentality that drives this sub culture of state dependence.
The social welfare system should be much less about handing out cash and more about giving people enough to move on to something better, in a case and category specific manner.

Great idea and It might give them a bit of respect for themselves as well.

Surely you are mistaken, no ones comes on here to moan

What do you suggest Owen? Any nuggets of wisdom from yourself there ?
What kind of appropriate training ?

Computer programming, financial services, language skills……. Let’s do all the kind of stuff that attracts multinational companies to Ireland to take advantage of low corporate taxes and our skilled workforce. Of course this is a very simple idea and it’s one the government are probably pursuing anyway. Maybe folks here could throw similar ideas out there so people could see some kinda light at the end of the tunnel and reskill appropriately….. Better than moaning and looking for somebody to blame all the time

Owen the
We had an ”initiative ” that was reported yesterday and there were 1200 jobs pledged …….
€1,250,000,000 is being given to the troika tomorrow and our cupboards are bare.
There are No jobs …. No training …

In fairness Eileen, governments don’t create jobs and I hate it when they promise to. They can only create the conditions to create jobs. Burning bondholders now will scare away the multinationals we need to grow our small open economy with little natural resources to do otherwise. Would you set up your stall in a market that defaults on their borrowings? People should look to help themselves instead of waiting for politicians to do so. I am not trying to offend anybody, but as I said, moaning gets us nowhere.

I suggest we start creating jobs, Ireland is a truely spectacular country. All current advisors should be sacked and invest the money in local entrepreneur’s with new and innovative ideas. That would be a good one to start with anyway. Any other idea’s?

How about you Owen? What exactly do you mean by appropriate traing?

Sorry I just noticed but my MSG looks really stupid now, it only showed the first two replies when I started writing that.

Editor. Do the comments on the iPhone app not refresh when you are looking at the same news story?

There are a lot of lessons to be learned from “animal farm”. F•••••g pigs! It’s one of the few books I read.

I will agree with you on the C.E point Gordon. With such a scheme i would never have started on the road that eventually got me my degree.

I think the point is that people who receive offers of work or training and turn them down will be penalised, not those who can’t find work.

But who decides what’s reasonable?
The government that invented Job’s Bridge, or the government that intends to pay Anglo Unsecured Bonds?
…. and training like, “how to make a CV”?

I have to agree. When I went into FAS after being on welfare after 3 months to look for training courses the lady suggested I sign up for the Microsoft Office Suite course based on my CV. I have an IT degree….

Aside from the obvious ridiculousness of that which now makes me laugh a little, there does come a point when the value of training courses just becomes a course to pass the hours of the day

You’re right here. This gave me a good laugh. Follow this link and see yourself how much courses Fas has on offer at the moment…
https://jobbank.fas.ie/servlet/Watis?SESS=561852069_1&SERVICE=CRITERIUMTREE&TEMPLATE=WWW_JS_TRAIN_CRITERIUM_VALUE.HTM&CRITERIUM=F7&TYPE=LTREE&BACK=TEMPLATE%3DWWW_JS_TRAIN.HTM

On the dole that’s correct flower arranging how to become a brickie or meals on wheels

If you are on the iPhone app it’s shit. It really doesn’t work well. A lot of people have this same problem.

Editor. Why does the journal not fix all the problems with it’s iPhone app?

It’s going to be sorted in a few weeks. Gavan promised…

Give joe bloggs a go at fixing it. He has the IT degree and a bit if time on his hands!

Ha, thanks Réada. Yes, a new update to our iPhone app is on the way that should resolve any issues.

Well said

I would certainly agree with everything you said.

Could i suggest filling out the form on the departments website so that appropriate steps can be taken against this person if she is committing welfare fraud.

https://www.welfare.ie/EN/Secure/Pages/ReportSuspectFraud.aspx

Could i suggest that everyone who knows of such people do the same? It’s up to all citizens to help stamp out welfare fraud. It our money they’re stealing!

Have you reported this to the welfare fraud department?

Here you go John:

https://www.welfare.ie/EN/Secure/Pages/ReportSuspectFraud.aspx

“Public servants are subordinate to you”. What a load of crap! Just because you pay taxes (as do public servants) does not mean ANYBODY is subordinate to you. Do you even know what that word means?!

@Sara cahill: You need to read Article 9.3 of the Irish Constitution.

Public Servants are assuming authority and at a later date could pay a big price.

If you are a public servant you should be careful. Ask your boss for proper instructions.

Does Article 9.3 use the word “subordinate” or is that your own interpretation of it?!

@Sara cahill: Its based on your role as a Citizen.

Whether you are child / student , unemployed or employed or retired it is your role as a citizen that always takes precedence.

Your job is always secondary to role as citizen. If your job stops you being loyal then you resign and take the details to an appropriate authority. You can’t use your job as an excuse in matters of treason. The words “public servant ” are used to describe your position in your job. You cannot be a public servant as a citizen. All citizens are equal in theory.

You’re still not answering the question so I’m going to presume that you interpreted it to fit the ridiculous point you’re attempting to make.

@Sara cahill: You have to read up on law to understand the hierarchy and delegation.

The word subordinate does not appear in the text, but that does not means it not applicable.

So you’re basically making it up.

@Sara cahill: Stop being daft. If you don’t like what i say you can always go and read the rule books for yourself.

If you are a public servant / civil servant then its time to be careful and protect yourself by reading up on the rules and citizens rights and duty.

@Sara cahill: Stop being daft. If you don’t like what i say you can always go and read the rule books for yourself.

If you are a public servant / civil servant then its time to be careful and protect yourself by reading up on the rules, understanding citizens rights and duty.

Excuse me? Daft? Let me just clarify that I have absolutely no interest in the rubbish that you are spouting. I suspected that the word “subordinate” is not found in the Constitution in reference to civil servants. And I was correct. You are probably just another ill-informed private sector worker who believes that you own the public service because you pay tax. Public sector work was probably beneath you in the past (you clearly think a lot of yourself) but now that he country is in dire straits you would like to blame it all on the public sector.
You stop being daft and maybe start reading something other than the Indo. It would probably make you seem a lot more interesting. Maybe even intelligent.

@Sara cahill: It must be a lot easier arguing with me on this site than taking time out to read he rules.

If you read he rules you will know your position and do not need to argue.

You won’t read the rules will you?

good man, sense at last. I was working when my friends sat on the dole getting 207 plus rent allowances and fuel allowances, I earned on average 240 a week, in a retail job. didnt get any help from the dole office. and along with that there were lads that i knew earning €1000 + a week as labourers and stone masons. I did honest days working, I was let go. Thankfully Im in college but its harder than ever, its over crowded for one, two there are people unlike myself that are over qualified in my course, and thats bad because the Tutors cannot cater for us all and concentrate on the people who know what they are talking about.
But to your main point, I hated getting up in the morning to do 4 hrs work knowing that my brothers and friends had a better life than me. however we have to realise that that government never allowed me or these recipiency folk to over spend. Times are different yes, but you and I will never shake the wood lice free. they didnt cause the problem, only the resentment.
time to look at the folk who are on the dole and have a trade or qualification!!! I have neither and I suffer right now

i mean the lads on the dole who have a trade or qualification and are earning money from it off the record

yeah Ive heard alot about that recently, that is sad news. Just wondering as you’re self employed will the gov help you in any way?

No they won’t Des. As a self employed person, he will not be able to claim any dole, regardless of how much money he has payed in tax over the years.

Totally agree, and what the general public need to recognize is that many (if not all) of these people are under-qualified, not insured and not paying taxes. There is a reason for industry rates, it’s called overheads.

No I think that finer print id for the purpose of social welfare payments is going too far. If one needs money, they need to go on the dole. What about finger print identification for those bankers and developers who ruined the country. Most people think that people on the dole are scroungers, and don’t do anything, and go on holidays, a few times a year, but most don’t so it is not good to generalise, Most unemployed people hardly ever step outside their gate, only when they go and sign, as they can’t afford the transport.