The last parade through Dublin didn’t end very well if I’m not mistaken… :\

I’m not too familiar with the show, but wasn’t Tallafornia a parade of ‘orange’ men and women in Dublin?

The Orange Order is a triumphalist, sectarian organisation rooted in hatred and bigotry. Now I’m not one to oppose freedom of expression and freedom of speech – But do we really need the start of a “marching season” in Dublin?

On one hand, I respect the fact that Ireland has varying traditions. But that does not mean that I have to respect certain traditions which actively encourage sectarian behaviour. As the old adage goes, I respect your right to say what you want – but it does not mean I respect what you are saying.

A recent survey published by a Liverpool University revealed that over 60% of Orange Order members thought Catholics were “IRA Sympathisers”. Only one in five believed Catholics should be consulted over parades in their areas. Only 6% said they would be happy for their son or daughter to marry a Catholic.

What in the name of God are Senators giving the time of day to this bigoted, narrow-minded fool?!

The Orange Order is essentially a religiously sectarian organisation. Though they are on a charm offensive these last few years, there may need to be some more honest self reflection and awareness of their role in nurturing prejudices against Catholics. If they were just about promoting a religious tradition then march away but if they are also about denigrating other religious traditions and promulgating hatred, then no way.

For normalisation to happen, organisations like The Orange Order, The Apprentice Boys of Derry and The Ancient Order of Hibernians have to be gone, dead and burried in the cubby hole of history.

I’m not so familiar with the AOH but I know that even the opening prayer in an Orange Lodge is dripping with sectarianism “Pray we deliver those from the Church of Rome from error and false doctrine” I believe is the main part. As part of the oath you take to join the OO you have to swear on a bible not to marry a Catholic, stand sponsor for the child of a Catholic or even take part in a Catholic Mass. That’s how they got David Trimble thrown out of his lodge, when he was 1st Minister he had to attend a funeral Mass, his arse wasn’t even in the pew before the OO announced he was out.

I remember one particular occasion when the Ormeau Road district of the OO was parading to the Ulster Hall for a church service. As a gesture of good will the Nationalist Residents association had agreed to allow the parade to go through the Holy Lands and over the bridge, this was a very important gesture as several years before the Residents group had sworn that “orange feet will never cross the bridge again”. Part of the agreement was that the flute band would only play a drum beat to help the old fellas keep in step. No sooner was the District Officers on the bridge than one of them demanded that the band play The Sash. A blatant f*ck you if ever there was one. That’s the mentality of the people who wear those sash’s they can’t move on, refuse of give an inch and still see non-protestants as inferior. They chant “we are the people” because they really believe that. You can’t negotiate with fanatics.

Didn’t they try that before and it was a bit of a disaster. Can we really afford the clean up afterwards again

You just have to look at the last guy who organised this parade willy frazer to see how bigoted they are

“Nelson told the Seanad that the Orange Order wants to contribute to the “normalisation of relationships within these islands”.”

I wanted to be positive on this, but i can’t.
Nelson refused to take a direct question from a SF senator. His Order refuses to talk to any SF reps in the North (even though SF represent the vast majority of Irish living there).
I hoped he would use this opportunity today to put his hatred of the Northern Irish behind him, but he couldn’t do it. He talked to the Seanad like there is nothing wrong going on in the North about the way the Order treats the residents on the contentious routes.
If the Government want to encourage real improvement in the building of relationships, they and the British Government must tell the Order to start talking to the resident leaders on every contentious route.
The carrot in return will be a march down O’Connell street.
But until that happens, these guys need to be told to grow up, and move into the 21st century, and that their organisation will be outlawed due to its sectarian origins.
How any true Irish person could even consider allowing these people to March down O’Connell street, while their members are holding siege to places like Garvaghy Road is beyond me. Irish people are being terrorised. I really thought we were going to have something ground breaking happen today. But we just got more of the rhetoric, and ‘arent we a nice lot in Dublin’ group.
He made a speech today saying that Protestants along the Border areas are not getting enough support from the Government.
I can tell you for a fact, i send my two boys to one of the Protestant schools. I pay for it (a lot of money), whereas no Protestant has to pay for it. I have no issue paying, because i would pay anything not to send them to the nearest Catholic school, given its history. But for Mr Nelson to make the suggestion that the Irish Government don’t support Protestants on the border is a load of tripe. That school gets extra funding versus a non-denominational or Catholic school, because the school is considered to be a minority religion school.
This guy needs to grow up and move into the current century, and we need the British and Irish leaders to tell him that.

Ok in that case, we should celebrate the 1916 centenary and have an aul little march of our own on their doorstep.

I’m sorry but since when were bigots and racists allowed to address the Seanad? The way that these guys treat the democratically elected representatives of nationalists should be evidence enough that they are not willing to change.

Leinster says NO.

Do they not remember what happend last timenn

No way, it is an anachronistic sectarian throwback whose principle public activity is to celebrate the ascendancy of one section of the population over the other.nnWith the political settlement in the North, this group can only cause trouble for both sides of the community. They should fold their banners and sashes and quitely go away.

If they truly believed in moving on they should hang up the marching boots and put down their flags and drums . People below the border counties don’t need to be reminded of a religios divide or care of one. Personally I don’t want to see them march anywhere due to what they represent, moving on means not dragging up the past or reminding us these secterian unionists bigots still exist and expect to be welcomed here where we have moved on and matured.

“We live in a world of change and whilst we are an organisation which places a high value on tradition we recognise that we also have to change,” he said.

I take it in that case, in the spirit of, to quote him “normalisation of relationships within these islands”, the orange order will now allow the 75%+ of people in our country barred from membership by virtue of not being protestant, to join a lodge?

The only reason that the orange order want to march in dublin is to wave their union jacks and claim dominence as they do in all their marches in northern ireland,so dont bow to their whinging they belong to the past.

A song from the Kaiser Chief springs to mind about this parade if it goes ahead

and lets let the RIRA Parade in London… the orange order only want to march here to start trouble. they are the most sectarian vile troublemakers in the north. let them march here when they agree they were wrong to start the troubles with their little marches through nationalist areas of the north and when they agree to a united Ireland Free from all forms of sectarian bigots. and that goes for these republicans that don’t know the meaning of being an Irish republican.

So the orange order object a 1916 remembrance day in the north they call it a groggy battle on the streets of Dublin and now they want to celebrate the battle of the boyne on the streets of Dublin again …no doubt this properly will go ahead knowing the government

Disgusting man, disgusting organisation. Sectarian exclusion at it’s highest.

Why was the Orange Lodge invited to address the Oireachtas?

Keep this up senators, you’re bolstering the argument to get rid of that institution altogether.

The simple fact of the matter is if the march gets the go ahead THERE WILL BE RIOTS. It’s absolutely idiotic to even propose the idea.

These guys are rabid, fundamental heretics who do nothing towards helping everyone in the North move on. He talks about border Protestants, why can’t he say border people? Or do Catholics not count in this mans ethos? I’m all for people having an identity but The Orange Order preach hatred, not compassion, toward their fellow man. Until these guys make huge changes in their organisation, then I do not think a march through Dublin serves any purpose but to incite.

Far be in from me to stifle freedom of speech in any aspect but I’m pretty confused as to why they want this so much… Without jumping straight to the history of the organisation what positive role does Dublin play for them? More to the point, is it worth the risk? As much as I will always condemn that small minded demographic that can only think in violence I do have to stop and consider that if the Orange Order still marches to celebrate the subjugation of the catholic population of Ireland then any danger they suffer in Dublin they somewhat bring on themselves.

Now, of course, I dont know why they want to march in Dublin so I’m hopefully way off!

Yes come on down and we will welcome you like the last time:)

Allow them to march in Dublin, are these senators out of their minds???? When the orangemen still parade – starting this week – July’s marching season – through catholic areas in the north, defiantly. Why would we allow them to march/parade in Dublin??? Its the equivalent of having the KKK march through the Bronx, in NYC. They would be burnt alive and rightly so. If there’s ever a united Ireland, I’m on the first plane out of here. Why are the Irish sucking up to them? How dare they even assume that this NATION would even entertain such a ridiculous idea, didn’t work last time, what’s going to happen? Some one dies next time? Enough already!!!!!!!!!

Its a free country now so I think it is a great idea, and as they are in Dublin all tunes and songs should be irish rebel songs , none of that oul crap about that bollox billy

Why don’t you pro-march posters take a nice walk along the Shankill Rd in Belfast ?

Don’t want them down here. They would just be acting as real life trolls.

Last parade caused carnage, no BLOODY way

Havènt these marches caused enough trouble and heartache over the years in the north why would any sane person invite that sort of bigitory and trouble into their own back garden.

Do us all a favour and stay up North. We dont want you down here with you’re stupid marches.

I suppose we will be allowed march down the shankill ? Absolute disgrace if they are allowed. Pissing on the graves of the 1916 rising leaders would be less of an insult.

Orange order really needs to drastically needs to change how they present themselves if they are to be accepted or even tolerated by the majority on this island. This triumphalist nonsense is just rubbing everyone’s nose in it.

What they are asking is the equivalent of having a Paddy’s Day parade down the Shankill Road, East Belfast and Sandy Row. It’s asking for trouble.

What’s more is that even if the march does go ahead and a riot does break out, they will remain on their high horses proclaiming how mature they were that they didn’t retaliate.

However, like it or not the Orange Order are here to stay. Anybody who has romanticised visions of a United Ireland needs to take the Orange Order into consideration and the typical “send them back to Scotland” approach is not really helpful. They need to modernise and de-militarise.

They could begin modernising by removing the ridiculously outdated article on their website entitled “When the mask slips”. It’s a laughable attempt at justification for their actions.

I would let them March on Dublin but only if they were Marching on the same day as the Pride parade. It would be interesting to see the colour and fabulousness of Pride juxtaposed with the Orange Order. the LGBT community don’t tend to riot either and King Billy is a gay icon
Hell Belfast Pride should had their parade on the Twelfth. Belfast Pride Parade is a far better spectacle than any Orange order parade

The cynic in me says that the establishment might find this useful if things kick off again. Some of the ‘normalization’ of attitudes towards Sinn Fein could be reversed if the people could be persuaded that “republicanism => violence’ (NB: Not my opinion)

I’m no Sinner (nor FGer). I just think that this is deliberately antagonistic, and might suit some agendas if it doesn’t go well.

Built a temporary bridge from Larne to Stranraer and let them march across it to the low lands of Scotland where they originate never to return.All religion and their bigots AOH and LOL should be banned it only a mater of time before the mad Mullahs start wanting to march as I see it, they are the new idiots on the block.

Posted comment on this earlier….comment taken down….what a joke. Suppose comments gotta please whatever idiot is watching this!!!

Part of me thinks this is a good idea in uniting the country, the other part is shouting at that part saying are you mad, it will only cause trouble and an excuse for idiots to riot again.

I’m torn on this matter, what are the Orange Order offering for us, majority of us won’t care won’t impact us, but you always have that small minority.

nice idea but they must have a very short term memory, do they not remember what happened last time, it was just an excuse for the scrotes to go wreck the place!!

The Orange Order should NEVER EVER be allowed in the Irish Republic.Anywhere at all.

You can go and take a running jump if you think you are going to hold another parade on Irish soil!

Tiocfaidh their lá

Only if it is sponsored by Del Monte!

“The Order currently holds around 20 parades each year in the Republic, with the vast majority taking place in Northern Ireland.” – I didn’t know Northern Ireland had become part of the Republic :-p

have enough Converse to last me a life time. so no thanks.

Remembering how last one turned out . I Hope Dublin corporation Dont make same mistake leaving road unfinished barriers up , and bricks lying about to cause such vandalism .

What would be the point of allowing an Orange March to pass through Dublin and then frantically handing out fines to all in sundry for; firstly giving media coverage, and secondly playing tunes which are considered sectarian and antagonistic. That would be handing a huge propaganda victory to the Orange Order, they would cite it has a civil rights violation, the supreme irony of it an organization which was instrumental in denying civil rights to catholics for generations, gets world wide publicity. It would be better just to deny them the right to march through Dublin until they acknowledge the rights of the people who live in the Ardoyne and other areas who just dont want them marching through their areas, its not has if marching through their areas is really important its just done to antagonise just has it has always been.

As long as Willie Frazer isn’t involved at all the march should pass off peacefully

I’m a catholic, i live in the south! I’m extremely proud to be Irish, i’ve read what this man said in the seanad, he’s very narrow minded and yes he’s a biggot! What he stands for and represents has caused alot of stress and pain to alot of people. I a huge history fan and i love everything irish!nnBUTnni believe that we should allow the parade in dublin but don’t make any fuss about it, have a huge fine for any news website or paper in the south to report it before or afterwards. Lets not make a big deal about, also do not let it down O’Connell st, i’m sure allowing them to march in dublin will suffice!nnIf the order breaks any rule that will incite trouble such as displaying pictures of terrorists, playing hateful songs and any other hateful symbols or slogans! Levy a huge fine on the organization. In the words of the man let them act normally!nnWHYnnso that they will be shown up for what they are if there is no fuss an nobody gives a shit about them, not even the press then they’ve got what they wanted they will be left without excuses and i believe the people in the north will turn against them and what they stand for, protestants and catholics will unite and there will be peace and the biggotts in the orange order will be shown for what the are and the organization will not fit into the new NORTHERN IRELANDnnthe goal is peace not a united ireland, that will never happen that dream died the day Mick collins died in beal na blath. That day was the day the republic decided to tear itself apart and ignore everything Mick collins and his comrades were trying to forge. That day the republic turned it back on the north and its too late to fix it now!

I’d say the march wouldn’t take as long as it took me to scroll down this far ,

I’m more concerned with the truth toorkeel.

If even a whisper of what Jim Corr talks about was listened, researched and thought about by anyone, they may look at the world a very different way

I have no objections but the love Ulster parade comes to mind

We can all speak until we are blue in the face about “better relations” and “moving on” but unless initiatives like this are undertaken then all it is is just words. On one hand I am no fan of pseudo-religious groups parading anywhere (be that Catholic or Protestant), I think their ideology is genuinely regressive.

On the other hand, we have to recognise that two distinct cultures exist on this island (many cultures exist on the island of course, the contention however, is between orange and green), as a Republican I believe that all cultures must be respected on the island. I also respect the fact that Orange bands can be a great outlet for working class youths.

There is genuine problems associated with ALL parades such as anti social behavior, and it is incumbent on parade organisers to address these issues before there can be a furtherance of cross community relations. That said,under the right conditions an Orange cultural parade could very well be a positive for this island as a whole.

The problem last time was the route. Starting outside a known Celtic pub in Parnell st. Marching past the GPO. Try the Southside, lads.

Speaking of I tolerance……..

I don’t mind people taking issue in general, but what really grinds on me is people who probably can’t be bothered to read a leaflet, let alone do anything productive for Irish Unity, getting on their high horse about telling Orangemen/Unionists where to go.

Irish Unity is going to take a lot of give and take on both sides. For example U.D.A leader Jackie McDonald had planned to unveil a portrait of James Connolly at one stage. He also called on the Orange Order not to march in areas such as the Garvaghy Rd if the residents opposed it.

There is no question that sectarianism remains a major barrier to unity on this island and as long as we as a society continue holding onto this belligerence, that is only abated by apathy then sectarianism will continue.

Great. Let’s have it.

I had never heard of this guy before today, but after hearing him speak this morning I for one would welcome it. Time for everybody to move on, if you don’t like it then don’t attend.

Nice to see that some people have moved on.

Where can i get one of those orange sashes?

There is a NWO agenda to unite Ireland and the uk as one, Europe as another zone and Scandinavian countries in a pretext to total world domination. Pay attention to all the Ireland/uk “events”to better our relations. Martin shaking the queens hand, orange order looking to come to Dublin. Just open your eyes and ask questions

I wonder what Boyd Barrett and the rest of the looney Marxists would say about an Orange Order parade?

Maybe if we all looked up a little more my friend our eyes might be opened to the truth.

Was it not Oscar Wilde who said

“we are all living in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars”

Watch those skies, do your research and free your mind

There are bands from the North that parade in Sligo every Paddy’s day, I don’t know what their political persuasions are but it’s wonderful. We are never going to be a united country if we are so hostile to the largest ethnic group on the Island. Great to see the orange men in the Senate. Well done to the organisers. (Just wonder how many thumbs down I get now).

As long as its not O’Connell street or another main street and no provocative music or banners are displayed it could be workable and if it is workable then im all for it. I dont like the Orange Order but maybe acceptance and accomodation might change the bigotry.

More staggeringly ignorant and falsely analogous comments, by and large, from posters on TheJournal.ie

Like it or not, the Orange Order are going to be a permanent presence on the island of Ireland. People can either continue to lambaste them at every opportunity, or try and see things from their perspective. Michael McDowell, our former Minister for Justice, even went so far as to say that July 12th should be made a national holiday south of the border. He said “If we are genuine Republicans and the orange panel of the flag means anything then we have to consider building an inclusive society”. But, of course, not many here will agree with him.

Are there Irish people living up north. I thought they were British in the six counties which is great as. The queen was welcome so why the the people from the north?

This could end up in a riot again involving sad teenagers thinking there republicans just to destroy people cars and business again that group showed themselves to be as bad as the orange men. Protest all you want heck even when the trouble started that day when willys men went home so should of the rest