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Peter Quinn: We can’t bring assets back without Anglo’s help

The brother of Séan Quinn, and father of Peter Darragh, says Anglo has “closed the door” on trying to reach a workable deal.

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THE BROTHER of bankrupt former billionaire Seán Quinn, and the father of Peter Darragh Quinn, has said his family are unable to undo measures taken to move assets beyond the reach of the Irish Bank Resolution Corporation – because the bank will not offer its assistance.

In an interview broadcast on Shannonside Northern Sound radio this morning, Peter Quinn said he had offered to mediate in talks between IBRC and other members of his family, hoping to broker a deal that would allow the Quinns to repay the full value of their debts to the bank.

“You can never get a resolution, or any form of mediation, if you are not prepared to talk,” Quinn told The Joe Finnegan Show.

“Anglo have made it very clear that they’re not prepared to talk.

“I have made two attempts – two attempts – to get Anglo to deal in some sort of way that we could get a reconciliation.”

Quinn, a professional mediator who is a former president of the GAA and a former member of Northern Ireland’s Parades Commission, said IBRC – formerly Anglo Irish Bank – were not prepared to enter mediation with the family.

“This is the conspiracy I was talking about – they [IRBC] wanted blood,” he said, later adding: “Anglo need a scapegoat. Sean Quinn is the scapegoat.”

IBRC’s help needed

He added that the movement of assets abroad – which he asserted had taken place before a High Court order stopping it, and entirely legally – could not be undone because the co-operation of other parties – including IBRC – was needed.

It had been a “major problem” securing the co-operation from other parties, partly because some were third parties who did not want to cede part-control of their assets, and partly because IBRC was unwilling to offer its own flexibility.

“Peter [Darragh] has told me that he cannot correct things on his own… that we made every effort to work with Anglo, to get them reversed, and Anglo wouldn’t work with him.”

He said IBRC had also decided against co-operating with the family between the High Court’s original finding that three members of the family were in contempt of its order, and the date by which the Court wanted to see progress in that contempt being purged.

“Anglo refused to co-operate. That’s the bottom line… Anglo is aware that it isn’t a matter of Peter, or Seán, reversing the transaction. They need to work together.”

To Luxembourg?

The former GAA president also suggested that the family would be willing to take its case as far as the European Court of Justice if it was unsuccessful in its disputes at domestic level.

“The one thing I have faith in… I have faith in the European justice system. If we get to Europe and we lose the case, I’ll accept that Seán was wrong.

“If we don’t get to Europe and we lose the case, I’ll have serious reservations about the justice that’s being administered in Ireland.”

also said he had not seen a videotape, first obtained by the Irish Mail on Sunday, in which his son said he would have no problem lying under oath in a court.

He said that while he did know what tone of voice his son had used, many members of the Quinn family – including himself, Peter and Seán – could occasionally be flippant and make remarks they didn’t mean.

“Blood is thicker than water, as everyone in the world should know. Family is the most important unit in society. And we stick together.”

He also said he had not been asked for advice before Seán Quinn’s bets on the future of Anglo Irish Bank shares, saying that if he had examined the accounts, he would have been able to discern that the bank’s bad debt provisions were sufficient.

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  • GUBU! Bottom line the bank should have been shut down and loans handed back to the French & Germans to sort out! Arrests should have followed as it is quite clear now who did what! Unfortunately they are playing the game where it becomes complex smoke and mirror scenario! Only winners is the legal fraternity, as a profession would have signed off on! Tis a shame but sure it’s all parochial, innit!

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  • Is there no end to the blame game here every body except the quinns themselves are to blame here.
    His son should obey the court ruling.
    He was caught on camera saying he would have no problem lying to the high court so why should we believe a word any of them say

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  • I could be wrong, but I thought mediators were meant to be impartial. How can Peter mediate for his brother. Advocate, perhaps, but mediate?

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  • Based on the story’s I hear on a daily basis from people in my area who try to discuss their distressed mortgages with their bank and get the response of ”don’t bother me” I would well believe his comments.

    IBRC now is just another badly run government department squandering billions of our money.

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  • I love the way they try and bring “family” in to it as if there’s some sort of vendetta against the Quinn family. There isn’t. It just so happens that the officers and directors of the Quinn group are all (seem to be) Quinn family members.

    If Sean Quinn thinks that he’s in the right and that it’s not about the money. Then return the assets and go back to the courts. There are probably a couple of points that he’s in the right on but largely it’s his own actions and bad bets that put him where he is now. These bets have ruined what he has built.

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    • rusty9 03/08/12 #

      What part of the fact that ANglo seized a company valued at 4.3 billion do you not understand. Therefore the agreed debt of approx. 445m is long since repaid. Dont be one of the foola falling for the ANglo propaganda

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  • The Quinns want everything their own way and this guys son just shows the arrogance they have for what they have done he wouldn’t even show up to take the punishment. As much as I dispise the Quinns with what they have done and attempt to do at least Sean Quinn JNR showed up and is taking his punishment. Sean Quinn SNR needs to be locked up next.

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    • John F 03/08/12 #

      The state should pay a bounty hunter 50k to drag that coward across the border! Wonder is the Dogg available?:)

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    • An example of either not knowing the facts or a lack of understanding !

      If you expect resepect then you must give respect !!

      Clearly you do niether

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    • Y.F. 03/08/12 #

      Sean,
      I think you are reading the facts in a very strange way. Peter Quinn Junior didnt show up in court because he didn’t believe he was going to get fair trial. I think in the radio interview Peter Snr explained that very clearly. It was a lose lose situation and Anglo were not going to budge with regard helping Quinn’s purge their contempt. You seem to have a bit of a fascination for locking people up. If you heard the radio interview ( which I’m sure you couldn’t have what with all the time you spend in your day thinking of who needs to be locked up) , Peter senior told the Quinn/Anglo story truthfully, simple and articulately. Read up a little before you make such harsh, final judgements on people

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    • censored 03/08/12 #

      How would we convince him that he’ll get a fair trial I wonder? And does “fair” actually mean in Quinn-speak?

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    • Well said Sean
      I agree with you . In my opinion , there is NOTHING worse than a coward , except a coward who wants Daddy to speak up for him and hide him . All criminals say at some stage they do not or will not get a fair trial …That is why there is an appeal court …. Every thing can be appealed .
      @ Justiceforallquinn….Respect is earned and not BOUGHT which is something the quinns have been doing for years … Maybe you should learn to have some respect…
      Where is Peter Darragh , hand him over to the authorities and make him take his punishment , that tape recording said it all for me . Liars all of them.

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  • Besides indulging in illegal activities Quinn has shown himself to be a damn, naive fool. Taking a CFD position on 28% of a failing bank when he must have known the hedge funds were using his own CFD shares to short the bank’s share price? Then illegally using cash from his insurance operation to meet the margin calls. He should be banged away for a considerable period of time.

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    • Marist. I don’t know what your qualifications are but I’m assuming you have a basic understanding of how investments work. Proposed investee checks all available and reliable information on proposed bank/fund whatever. He then makes his decision on that information. In 2004, 05 and possibly 06 informed financial commentators were calling Anglo the new model of banking, the best bank in Ireland, possibly even Europe etc. And this info was certified and signed off by reputable auditors, sanctioned by our financial regulator and our central bank. How then in the name of God does that make SQ a fool for believing that. What would you have done differently if you were SQ in 2005.

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    • Gagsy 99 03/08/12 #

      If I was SQ in 2005 I would have stuck to what I know.

      But if I wasn’t able to do that, if I was still considering an investment of that scale that could jeopardise the solvency of my empire I would have done some research beyond reading an auditors’ report (which is not a certificate by the way, its an opinion). I would have recognised the limitations of the reliance that can be placed on an auditors report in the wake of may accounting scandals over the decades.
      I would have engaged with some advisors, I would have come to my own informed conclusion about both the bank’s financial affairs and its concentrated exposure to Irish property.
      I would have appreciated the risks of building up such a significant position through leveraged CFDs.

      Thats just a few of the things off the top of my head that I might have done differently to avoid, in the name of God, being made a fool.

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    • I would never assume SQ. snr. a naive fool. SQ. snr. would like you to believe he was and that he did not understand CFD’s. Would not believe this for a minute!!

      Alison you are right, Anglo and esp. Seanie Fitz were the poster boys of how banking should be done throughout the world. So too was Bernie Madoff, at least he’s locked up for his Pyramid Scheme! I’d agree Patrick Neary, the then Irish Financial Regulator was very much asleep at the wheel and as for the bank auditors (not just Anglo, but BOI and AIB too) should be hauled over the coals for their incompetence and santioned for contribution to the mess. But where SQ and Co went wrong was using company assets to shore up the gamble that was falling before their eyes!

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  • The IBRC has been trying to get the Quinns to help sort out the mess – and the Quinns by judges comments alone show that the Quinns say one thing but co-operate bugger all!

    They wouldn’t help the IBRC so they had to be dragged into court, to get them to do so – once there, they still would not co-operate.

    …And they have the nerve to spin that they see the blame elsewhere?

    Sorry, some of us are not that stupid, forgetful and blind!

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    • Do you really trust IBRC?

      A corrupt bank that owes us 33 Billion and counting.

      A nationalised white elephant that intends on being a permanent fixture and drain on us?

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    • I trust not one judge but TWO that have said the Quinns have been doing everything BUT co-operating with anybody!http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/finance/2012/0726/1224320827603.html

      Quote:
      Mr Justice Peter Kelly said he had presided over the Commercial Court since 2004 and was having to deal more often with cases involving “national and international fraud, sharp practice, chicanery and dishonesty”. However, he had never seen anything like the conduct in this case.

      Source: http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/finance/2012/0726/1224320827603.html

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    • Harry – the bank formerly known as Anglo no longer exists. When will you get that??

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    • HARRY MARKOPOLOS don’t seen to get a lot!

      It might explain his lack of education to the actual facts of many things – some of which is exposed above!

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    • …And below too!

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    • Ohh Mattoid the bank formerly known as Anglo no longer exists?

      Does that mean that Anglo’s 33 billion and counting debt does not exist anymore either?

      Apart from some upper management little has changed, including the numerous €100,000′s salaries (that we are now paying)

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    • @ Mattoid IRBC is Anglo.
      Don’t be fooled. Anglo is trying to dissociate itself from its name as they have plundered a country. IRBC is still the “septic bank” known as Anglo.

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    • Lack of Education,Jeff ?

      Are you talking intellectual or practical?

      Oh Jeff where would we be without fine educated ”Scholars” like you and the ones who are running our country into the ground as we speak.

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    • Ohh Jeff
      And Peter Kelly said
      ”Outrageous contempt”
      How much are those words going to cost us.
      €100 Million a letter?

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    • Y.F. 03/08/12 #

      At Mattoid,
      I said it before and I’ll be caught repeating myself now….when will you get it?
      If a toilet changed it’s name to a sink in the morning, would you wash your face in it?
      IBRC is Anglo… the change in name is only so that ignorant people in Ireland will believe they are 2 different entities….The very fact that they have changed their name, and felt the need for dissociation with Anglo makes it quite clear that the corruptions associated with the name Anglo arestaggering

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    • censored 03/08/12 #

      If that’s true then why don’t the Quinns just take the easy way out and change their names?

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    • Y.F. 03/08/12 #

      Because the Quinns are not looking for the ‘easy way out’. They are looking for the right, fair and just way out. And also, just because Anglo believe they can fool the general public, doesn’t mean the Quinn’s do….

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    • mattoid 03/08/12 #

      @ YF, Harry & Tonya
      OK, I bow to your superior knowledge – the only difference between Anglo and IBRC is the name..

      Oh, there is the fact that it has now been nationalised, but that is only a minor point…

      Not forgetting that the entire board of directors has been changed, and the current board have all been appointed since 2009, but we’ll ignore the fact that not a single one of the former Anglo directors have anything to do with IBRC….

      There is also the small matter that the chief mandate of IBRC is to recover as many assets as possible on behalf of the Irish Taxpayer, but I’m sure that’s not really relevant…

      Or the fact that IBRC no longer functions as a bank and is not involved in normal banking activities like lending, maintaining deposit accounts etc…

      Wait a minute………….

      What did the Romans ever do for us anyway?

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    • How blind and stupid are Quinn supporters?
      Hear it from the BBC: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-19063419

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    • rusty9 03/08/12 #

      Completely agree Anel. It s easy to see that the Gove and Anglo are very uneasy at the fact that the QUinns are now coming out and telling the true facts. Watch out for more revelations and see the establishment gurus squirm

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    • Quinns coming out and telling true facts?
      Kop yourselves on and actually read the facts – as the BBC reported:

      “Judge Elizabeth Dunne summarised this key argument in her contempt judgement: “Instead of trying to repay the admitted debt due, the Quinn family and in particular the respondents have taken every step possible to make it as difficult as can be to recover any amount due.

      “They have engaged in a complex, complicated and, no doubt, costly, series of steps designed to put the assets of the IPG (International Property Group) beyond the reach of Anglo, in a blatant, dishonest and deceitful manner.

      “They have consciously misled courts here and elsewhere. They have sought to deprive Anglo of the assets which would go some way to discharging an admitted indebtedness.

      “The behaviour of the respondents outlined in evidence before me is as far as removed from the concept of honour and respectability as it is possible to be.”

      Source: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-19063419

      There is a LOT of stupidity here and willing blindness and ALL of it is from muppets who are falling for lies told by those that are continuing and have done, broken the law – repeatedly!

      Non-idiots will read the impartial BBC account and be further informed just how bad things got with the Quinns – because of their own actions.

      ….Meanwhile the Quinn supports will still be spinning everything but the actual fact and the actual course of events as they actually happened!

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    • Y.F. 04/08/12 #

      Biggins,
      Read my comment below….Impartial and Jim fitzpatrick couldnt go in the same sentence!

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  • Maybe sixth time lucky, this comment will be allowed stay up!

    Charles Haughty did good (believe it or not) at times!
    Bertie did good (I know – hard to fathom) at times!
    Biffo did good at times!

    All the above (and more of their ilk) also created jobs some say, at times.
    ….But some or all might have bent the rules – even maybe broke the law – and we have demanded that they and those that can after him be accountable!

    …Aaa but poor Sean Quinn, he’s different of course! He created jobs too (but didn’t mind dumping them later for his own ends – his supporters seems to conveniently forget that fact when it suits), he bent the rules, he defied the courts of Ireland, he has left the nation (thats you and I) with BILLIONS to pay off, he did what he did through his own wishes and actions…
    …But he’s different of course because he can spin too “I did good for local people” also – so he should just be let off?

    Rubbish!

    He’s NO different than anyone else that has broken national laws, dumped jobs to grab money and it looks like, allegedly moved assets and money abroad – while leaving behind their massive mess and a nation to pay for their antics!
    We all give out about “Why isn’t X and Y not being called to see justice!” then when the state actually asks someone to explain their complex antics – all of a sudden, some double-standard fools start espousing “O’ no – not Sean Quinn….”

    We are ALL paying for the mistakes and antics of the bankers and developers cock-ups (and we demanded they be held accountable too! Imagine that!) – and will be, for the next few decades – but when Sean Quinn comes along and ALSO leaves us with yet another MASSIVE financial mess, the blind start saying “Well he created jobs!” (but burned them – shush, don’t tell anyone that bit!) and “He’s just a victim!”
    …Anyone see the double-standards of the thick?

    Sean Quinn as with others previous to him, did good – but he also did allegedly VERY BAD not according to one judge – but two!
    He (and his family) is just as answerable for their actions as those that have been called to see justice or should be also!

    ————————————

    Let us not forget the very words of one Irish judge upon we can assume, seeing much material to back his words up – as reported in the Irish Times:

    Quote:
    Mr Justice Peter Kelly said he had presided over the Commercial Court since 2004 and was having to deal more often with cases involving “national and international fraud, sharp practice, chicanery and dishonesty”. However, he had never seen anything like the conduct in this case.

    Source: http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/finance/2012/0726/1224320827603.html

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    • More Pseudo legal babble Jeff.

      What are these fine courts doing about Seanie fitz, Fingers, Neary except from sending them Christmas cards.

      What are these courts doing apart running useless expensive tribunals and farcical witch hunts while murderers walk out the gates of our prisons.

      The law will look after you Jeff.

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    • @ HARRY MARKOPOLOS

      1. The courts are NOT sending Christmas cards. (pure rubbish!)
      2. The courts can only do and take care of, what is actually brought before them – to get them there is the job of other people (Buy hey, lets say its their fault!)
      3. The courts are not ordering the expensive tribunals (buy hey, lets say its their fault!) – the state government is!
      4. There is sadly murderers getting off light – that don’t mean others like the Quinns get a “Get out of jail” card either though.

      Your a bit short of truth and actual education to some facts it seems!

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    • The courts can only deal with what is brought to court…..

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    • As I said Jeff more pompous, pseudo legal babble.

      The Quinn case is only a symptom of the real disease.

      Why not deal with the root cause and not the symptoms.

      Would it not be more effective and less expensive on us?

      Yes Christmas cards if not wedding invitations.

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    • That may be true Gagsy.

      But who makes the courts drag out these farcical ineffective tribunals for 16 years and €100′s of millions of our money.

      Will we start a tribunal about the tribunals legal fees and overruns?

      Legal system?
      More like jobs for the boys.
      Vultures!

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    • Well put Harry, could not agree more.

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    • Y.F. 03/08/12 #

      Sean Quinn did not leave us all in a financial mess. He gambled on Anglo and lost. He later found out that the Anglo that he had been buying into was fictional. That he had been taken for a ride, illegally, and all what followed (Getting his children to sign that they had had legal advice prior to signing off loans of millions into themselves etc) However, this was all between Quinn and Anglo. A private debt. A private customer. His own private business. UNTIL our government took it upon themselves to burden the taxpayer with this, and all the rest of Anglos billions and billions of never-ending debt. Quinn was not playing/ Working/ Dealing with the taxpayer….the government were.

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    • censored 03/08/12 #

      caveat emptor eh? You said it yourself, he gambled and lost. Now we are paying. That is an indisputable fact.

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    • This says it ALL – what Quinn supporters don’t want to hear.
      Hear it from the impartial BBC!

      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-19063419

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    • rusty9 03/08/12 #

      Looks like there is an element of desperation setting in as the truth emerges. Get ready for the truth to be exposed in glorious technicolor

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    • Y.F. 04/08/12 #

      Biggins,
      Impartial BBC? Jim Fitzpatrick? jim fitzpatrick has spent the last 12 months and probably a lot longer chasing after Quinn. He is not impartial. He does give some facts in his piece and is extremely biased in his views on Quinn. This is clear when you read his piece and sees that very relevant parts of the Quinn/ Anglo story are completely ignored or glossed over as quickly as possible. Jim says that Quinn gambled (True), but he forgets to mention that what he was gambling with was a completely corrupt and illegal bank, who put up the share prices to advertise the bank as being a very safe bet….which they so obviously weren’t. JIm also says that Quinn did not have the correct reserves in Quinn Direct so Matthew Elderfield stepped in and sent the company into administration. This is true, but what Fitzpatrick forgets to mention is that the reserves had been met on the day the administrators were sent into the company. (He also forgets to mention that VHI, at the same time did not have sufficient reserves but were left to their own devices) He describes how Quinn set about putting the assets out of hte reach of Anglo…they weren’t hiding assets from the tax-payer, but merely putting them out of Anglo’s dirty hands until it was proven that Anglo were entitled to them. Quinn admits this, and his son has been jailed for same. Jim fails to mention that Quinn is unable to purge his contempt without the help of third parties…this includes Anglo. So Anglo are telling the tax-payer that they are trying to retrieve as much as they can for them…but behind the scenes it would seem that they are not at all interested in doing same…they are only interested in scape goating Quinns so that their own corruptions are well disguised from public view. ..And with the Jim fitzpatricks on board, that’s what’s happening. He fails to mention that Peter Quinn offered to mediate between bank and Quinn but Anglo refused mediation….. (even if they didn’t Peter Quinn to do the job, surely they could have got mediation from somebody) Jim also fails to describe what happened after the loans had been taken out. How Anglo went to the Quinn children 5+ months after they had signed off the loans (of millions and millions ) and asked them to sign that they had had legal advice before signing. He doesn’t mention how all of Quinn’s companies, hotels, pubs and group were taken off him, which were worth well in excess of 455 million (undisputed debt) and that Anglo have taken NOTHING off the debt that they say is owed.Neither does he mention the method in which this ‘taking over’ was done….a most horrific and dirty deed. He glosses over the fact that Quinn promised to pay back the debt in full but that his means (ie his insurance company etc ) were taken off him…so his hands were tied…by Anglo, once again. He doesnt mention the fact that Quinn’s (disputed) debts were personal debts between him and bank…and were only made public because our government made them so. So I completely disagree. I believe that Jim fitzpatrick is extremely biased against the Quinns and that he has selective memory loss in his writing!

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  • What a joke, can’t undo it without the aid of Anglo!!! They managed to move the assets without the aid or knowledge of Anglo, NOW all of a sudden they need the help of Anglo to come to a resolution on the matter. In other words they want a deal to hand over the assets and walk away from the rest of the liabilities. Fine if you can broker a deal like that who wouldn’t? But now to me it looks like the Quinns are holding the assets for ransom, and who is expected to pay the ransom – oh, that would be the 2% levy going to be imposed on an insurance policies for the next 20 years! 20 years my arse, once the levy is imposed it’ll never be lifted!!

    SQ snr. and family, claim they only own €400 odd mil, and the rest belonged the Quinn Group (ie. not the family personally), however, what he ignores is that he used the assets of the Quinn Group illegaly, therefore the Group debt now becomes the personal libilitiy of the family as they acted in an illegal manner.

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    • Good point – the Insurance Levy of 2% is a disgraceful imposition on the people of Ireland and effects every citizen because every business is forced to pay that levy.
      There was a plan to;
      1. Repay all Quinn borrowings (both proven and unproven)
      2. Retain Quinn Insurance and the Quinn Group and create additional employment, and
      3. Save our Country and Communities from the Financial and Social deprevation currently being inflicted

      The cost was a Gaurantee of €600m – which would have been repaid by now !

      Instead the estimated cost re Quinn Insurance has now risen to 1.65bn and growing !!!

      Value for money – ask any political representative and dont accept Waffle !

      If you need confirmation – view the Dail debate on the Sale of Quinn Insurance and the Claim on the Insurance Fund – how many of the TD’s turned up ???

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    • JQ, your points from 1 to 3 are complete fantasy. You completely ignore the fact the Quinns used assets of the Quinn group in an illegal manner for their personal gain. These assets did not belong to them but the company, these assets were already pledged for company loans, which further compounded their illegal actions. With regard to Quinn Insurance, the Regulator had no choice when company reserves were used to shore up this Anglo gamble, but to take control of the company.

      Regardless whether the individual companies or the group as whole was profitable is irrelevant, SQ snr., and family illegally used company assets therefore under corporate governence rules they were no longer fit to run a company or the Quinn Group! NOTHING can excuse them from this, and now IMO they are holding these assets for a ransom, I can only assume it is to agree a deal to hand over the assets for full and final settlement.

      I’m sorry but the only justice here, will be the Quinns handing over all assets and repaying their debts in full. At this stage I want to see all of them out on the street, they do not deserve to keep the roofs over their heads.

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    • Jack – see your point – but only in the event that the 2.3bn is owed.

      If it is not then your points hold no value.

      The court has declared that Anglo have a case to answer – we should all respect that – including Anglo !

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    • JQ, what are on about?? My point being that they acted illegal with company assets therefore by there actions they can no longer hide behid the limited liability of the company. The fact that they used company assets in an illegal manner, means they voided the limited libility of their company shareholding and brought the debt over to themselves personally – THAT is why they owe the additional €2.3bn!!!

      Of course Seanie Fitz, David Drumm etc… have questions to answer in relation to their actions within Anglo. Nobody is denying that, and alot of people want to see blood spilled over the lies, incompetence and contempt they have shown toward the people of this country. Equally, the Quinns should pay for their actions and certainly any form of holding assets to negotiate a more leanent financial outcome should not be entertained by the IRBC – This is our money, and it should be paid!!

      The people you are trying to defend are indefencable, it is your argument that holds no grounds!!

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    • Another twist – the money was never borrowed from the taxpayer – it was from Anglo !
      The money was actually loaned to the Quinn Group
      Therefore, if Anglo took the Group – it is them who owe the money.

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    • For Gawd sake, what part do you not understand?? Money was not lent to the Quinn Group, it was lent to the Quinn’s they illegally used the Quinn Group assets to shore up the loans when losses started to accrue! As I said below, the Quinns used company assets illegally thereby voiding their limited liability via their Group shareholding thereby transferring that debt to themselves personally.

      Another way of putting it is like when the Irish Govt, announced the bank blanket guarantee, with the stroke of a pen they brought the private banking debt on to the soverign debt of the state! The Quinns did exactly the same thing with the Quinn Group Debt, by their illegal actions they nailed the debt firmly to themselves personally! (Jaysus, I begining to sound like a broken record).

      Now will you please refrain from spouting spin, lies and half truths, you are completely ignoring the facts and just picking things out of the air to make you argument sound plausable! Bring it down to bare facts and the sequence of events and anyone with half a brain could tell that the Quinns fecked up their own destiny and in turn risked their employees livelihoods!!! The real issue here is that the Quinns brought this upon themselves, they are now blocking the IBRC from assets which belong to the taxpayer.

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  • More Quinnspin!

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  • The High Court would seem to have a different view – presumably if what he says is true, and that it could be shown to the the High Court that Anglo are the obstacle, then the contempt of court verdict would not have been upheld.
    They should say less and do more – I expect all the bleating they do in public will erode what public support they might have.

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  • Blood is thicker indeed , and the obvious pr efforts to try give the Quinn side seems to cut it with some ( mostly locals so called ‘concerned citizens ‘ ) it’s difficult to not conclude that the quinns simply wish the world was different and they weren’t to blame for their own actions , I find it hard to believe he hasn’t watched his sons video and I would like to speak up as a concerned citizen that doesn’t support the quinns , we need high courts to hold people accountable for their disgraceful gambles , I’d it paid off and they made billions there wouldn’t be a peep about the recklessness , it didn’t , they lost the business , the son fled away to avoid the consequences and we are being fed this rubbish daily about the so called looking for an out , he built up 29% of a bank that collapsed and cost him dearly , it’s harsh reality but please stop with the concerned citizen bullshit , we need to move on and hold all parties to the fiasco to account

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    • Good debate is good as is critical debate – but blindness and igorance is ?????

      What you simply either dont see, care to see or understand is that there is a High Court decision regarding the legitamacy of the 2.3bn loan before the court.

      What has happened is that all the assets of the Quinn Family have been taken from them or frozen before anyone cares to adjudicate the ligitamacy of that loan on which the actions taken were substantially based – that is an “injustice” and has implications for every mortgage holder in this country

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  • sam 03/08/12 #

    It appears to me that the Anglo are the are trying to make Quinn’s the scape goat. We know that Anglo were corrupt before it was nationalised and that it was a major contributor to the collapse of the Irish Economy. The government by nationalising the bank are now responsible for its actions and are trying to defend the indefensible and are risking our entire democracy.

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  • He said that while he did know what tone of voice his son had used, many members of the Quinn family – including himself, Peter and Seán – could occasionally be flippant and make remarks they didn’t mean.
    But the problem Mr Quinn is, he wasan’t being fippant he was saying exactly what all the other Quinn family were thinking. I am sick and tired of the Quinns trying to pass the parcel on this one. Anglo are no angels and that will be dealt with but the Quinns need to man up and accept that their actions have been disgraceful.

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  • I do love to see that the Quinns are coming and taking the time to tell their side of the story and compared to our Government(s) our Regulators and Protectors, and the corrupt bankers they have very little to hide.

    All we have heard to date are sound bites from a media bought out by bankers and the government.

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    • well yes it is very nice of the them Harry to TAKE THE TIME to discus a 2.6 billion hole that we the Citizens of Ireland will have to pay.
      Build somebody a GAA pitch and get blind support from the parish pump politics mob,, it truly dismays me.

      So to recap,
      Quinn took over 300 million out of Quinn insuracne to finance his gambling, now it turns out there could 1.4 billion to be made up, made up by who, BY US via a 2% levy which will be there for at least 30 years.
      Quinn and his family openly admit transferring assets, assets which had leans on them outside the reach of the bank.
      a Quinn is now openly disobeying Irish courts and is on the run,,
      And as for his claim that he offered to pay back,, yes he did offer, if bank gave him 650 million more and agreed that no interest on any o/s loans would be paid. Some neck on him!!!
      so the Quinn family are not only financially bankrupt but morally bankrupt, ask yourself who has to now suffer to make up this debt, patients the elderly, but certainly not the Quinns (30K a month living expenses!!!)

      i am no fan of the banks they are just as guilty as the Quinns, will justice be served in the country,, not a fooking hope!!!!

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    • That mr pinch u in the face is all pure lies!!

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    • Y.F. 03/08/12 #

      Punch you in the face,
      That is completely wrong. You’ve been mixing up your Harry Potter with your daily newspaper….

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  • AD15 03/08/12 #

    This guy it’s another Quinn charlatan. He has offered to mediate and he’s professional mediator?? A professional mediator would know that in order for one to provide such a service one would be required at least not to take sides the way he has not to mention the public statements, rhetoric, dissing of Quinn opponents, etc

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  • Its strange how.

    850 NAMA ”developers” racked up €71 billion, that one way or another we are going to pay back for them.
    Some of them individually owe just as much as Quinn to Irish banks alone and similar amounts to non Irish banks.
    Unlike Quinn who owned income producing multi-generational, strong businesses that employed 7000 people, these ”developers” owned valueless, none income producing fields and half finished shoddy building sites.
    Please note: these builders found it hard to pay anyone in the good times apart from the media who advertised their overpriced, badly built, shoebox properties.

    What did our fine ”leaders” and ”protectors” decide to do?
    (1) Shut Quinn down, try to disgrace him and his family, take everything from him, try to never allow him to create another job in the country and try to jail him and his family.
    and (2)
    Give the ”developers” €100′s of thousands a year in salaries, allow them to keep their expensive cars, houses and other toys, allow them to ”operate” their companies and allow them media immunity.

    Not to mention our government allowing the ”Financial Regulator” who presided over this mess total media immunity and a huge pension.

    Can someone tell me why the emphasis is on Quinn for a couple of billion that he could, would, wanted to and guaranteed us to pay back, (even though it is highly questionable that he actually owed it in the first place).
    Evidently the man has more ability than all of these 850 cowboys put together (and all of our fine ”leaders” and ”protectors” if it goes to that).

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  • I would love to see the Quinns coming all out to defend themselves.

    Then the Government (past and present), the banks, the regulators, the senior civil service and all their cronies would all be shown up for the vile shower of lazy, spineless, inbreeds that they really are.

    The media, government and bank cartels of this country have lost the faith and support of their people.

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    • You just don’t get it do you? Yes, the bosses at the former Anglo did wrong and we all hope they will get their day in court too, but that doesn’t absolve Quinn of responsibility for all his highly questionable actions.

      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-19063419

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    • As outlined by Peter Quinn (if you cared to listen) as in many Banking scandels in the past – 20 / 30 years – where a bnak is found to have loaned money for the purpose of manipulating its own share price – that loan is unrecoverable.

      This case is in front of the court at present – and should be respected by Anglo.

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    • Start at the source of the problem Mattoid.
      Before the real perpetrators die of old age.
      I have read the article and it should have be called.
      ”The Facts In The Sean Quinn Case According To a Corrupt Bank And Its Vested Interests”

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    • Harry why don’t you identify yourself so we can see behind the rubbish you have been spotting on this issue. Quinn is a thief an embezzler and a gambler with money that doesn’t belong to him. Are you a former employee or a neighbour or a friend.?

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    • Mick, you clearly are either lacking facts or understanding – the fact that a high court case exists as to the issue of the 2.3bn loan is available (Ref Charleton Feb ’12) – should this judgement not be respected also ?

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    • HARRY MARKOPOLOS

      you are just full of complete fluff, and must be have some type of link with the Quinns, you answer no questions directly and just bank on about how corrupt the banks and political system is

      WE KNOW, and guess what your heroes the QUINNS are part of that corrupt system, and just as guilty!!

      Hypocrite!!

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    • It’s such a shame that so many of you guys seem to have resigned to the illusion, that a corrupt bank, an inept regulator and government and the law courts are acting in your best interests.

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    • mattoid 03/08/12 #

      Harry, are you seriously trying to suggest that the former Anglo now sets the agenda for the BBC??

      And yes, the Quinns may have a case against the former Anglo – but only the courts can decide that, not Quinn himself. If they judge that his assets have been illegally stripped they will order them to be reinstated in full and with compensation, so there is absolutely no legitimate reason for him to be concealing his assets now. The high court have clearly recognised this fact – its a pity you cannot do the same.

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  • I hope the GAA are not getting grants from the taxpayers or from our lottery if this criminal behaviour is being endorsed by the GAA. It has cost the taxpayers and the country Billions and these criminals are feeling sorry for themselves. They promote themselves as victims – typical of the IRA/SF criminals. Too many similarities between the church , GAA, IRA/SF and the Quinns.

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    • Probably worth pointing out here that the GAA isn’t endorsing anything here – it’s rather individual members of the GAA (which has 800,000 of them!).

      It’s probably inevitable that some of Peter Quinn’s GAA connections would be supportive of the family but the GAA as a whole, centrally, has been quick to stress that it has no part/side in the affair.

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  • And he is right.

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    • …And you are blind, forgetful and possibly uninformed to the actual facts,

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    • Don’t fall for the Quinnspin John…

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    • Thank God. At last the Quinn family have started to fight back and get their side of the story across. What Peter Quinn said this morning is only the tip of the iceberg of the scam and skullduggery being carried out by IRBC supposedly on behalf of “the taxpayer”. People are still so gullible – believing bankers, politicians etc despite all our experiences of same in the past few years. Wake up folk! Bottom line is when the Quinns prove that the loans given by anglo to buy shares in Anglo were entirely illegal, every person who invested in Anglo will be entitled to their money back. Now can you see why politicians and their mouthpieces are so intent on doing down the Quinns? Eggs splattered on faces all round D4. Oh dear!!

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    • rusty9 03/08/12 #

      Very informative interview laying out the FACTS. Dukes must begetting worried as his robbery of taxpayers money will soon be exposed.

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  • sam 03/08/12 #

    Jack Canon
    Is this an assumption or a fact

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    • Sam, its not an assumption the facts have been widely published for all to see. I’m not going to repeat myself but have a look through my other posts (also Jeff Rudds post is very accurate and well put) and have a look at all the other articles that have been published in the Times and Sunday Business Post. It plain to see what has gone on and the Quinns are only out to feather their own nest – nothing wrong with that – but it is at the expense of you, me and everyone else stuck in this foresaken country.

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  • If you cant attack the objective attack the followers – the farmers voiced their support during the week are you going to attack them too ??

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  • This is an excellent way of forcing a Bank to negotiate. Until now, Anglo Irish Bank had the upper hand. Now the tide has turned.

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    • Excellent way of ensuring the taxpayer will foot the full bill!! Not a tactic I’d deem fair, since the only losers here are us the taxpayer and everyone else who will have to take out life/ car/ house insurance. Because of the Quinn Family we will be paying an additional 2% on all insurance premium for the next 20 or so years.

      Now do you think it’s such a great idea??

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  • Typical gaa man, Irish only when it suits!!
    Despicable..

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  • sam 03/08/12 #

    One final comment, a question can someone tell me does Sean Quinn owe the money

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    • Probably not.

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    • Oh, the High Court found the two Sean’s and Daragh in contempt of a court order, because they moved assets which were pledged as security on loans that they owe. Or perhaps, they never borrowed the money and never pledged the assets as security! Doh, it’s so confusing I mean why would the High Court find them in contempt of a court order, if they never borrowed the money, why would the assets be used as security on a loan if they never borrowed the money? Beats me, do they still owe the money, well it was never paid so I guess they still owe the money!!

      Does that answer your question Sam? Or, shall I put it more simplier for you? Yes, they do owe the money!!

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    • There exists a judgement from the High Court that Anglo Irish Bank have a case to answer regarding the alledged 2.3bn loan – therefore people should respect that and the Quinns should be innocent until proven Guilty.

      If that is the case (innocent until proven guilty) they would not have had their business taken from them and there would be no comtempt case – maybe just maybe the Quinns are right to feel hard done by ???

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    • Derek 03/08/12 #

      There’s company loans and personal wealth built up over decades. Anglo seized everything they could from them including their businesses and have subsequently run them into the ground from some of the most profitable companies in the country to quickly get their initial costs back. They now want to pin 1.3bn euro on them when in all likely hood the Quinn’s owe 430m euro if even that. Which would be personal wealth and moved out of the hands of Anglo while they were grabbing everything they could. They would be on the street today if they hadn’t.

      Anglo cost us 33bn due their corrupt backhanded dealings and illegal activities, some of which resulted in directing Quinn to take loans to manage or balance the scale of their activities and Quinn’s large accounts and the media and a large proportion of people seem as usual to get on the band wagon and make out the Quinn’s are directly and responsible for the down fall of the state, insurance hikes included. But was it not after Anglo got their hands on the business that this levy had to be brought in due to Anglo sucking everything they could out of it.
      Contempt of court they are but I feel they are unfairly being targeted and made scapegoat by the Gov. IBRC and the media. The real perpetrators of this country’s downfall will never be named or brought to justice expect for the fish they throw at us to keep us rabid and distracted.

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    • Sam, that will ultimately be for the courts to decide but Quinn has pre-empted any future court case by illegally concealing his assets, hence the prosecutions for contempt of court.

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    • Mattoid,

      All should respect the Court – including Anglo – the case before the High Court should be respected and cut the side shows !

      If the QUinn Family is proved not to owe the 2.3bn then all that has happened will in effect be wrong and injustice!

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    • mattoid 03/08/12 #

      Absolutely correct Justiceforquinn, all should respect the court but unfortunately Quinn has not. Regardless of the rights and wrongs of the case as one of the parties perceive it, contempt of court is contempt of court….

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  • I have no argument with you – the point is – mediation was offerred to Anglo – they refused.

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  • censored 03/08/12 #

    Dear Peter, I will help you bring the assets back. Reply below.

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