I couldn’t agree more, the incompetence is on par with the infamous five point plan. Who’s your sexy Taoiseach….Edna kinny for ex EU puppet!! Plonkers the lot of them!

Property taxes will be abolished if the opposition win the next election.

Adams for Taoiseach 2012

Will they bollocks! The Shinners support rates(property tax) in NI. It’s what pays their wages and expenses! Shutting down schools helps too.

Tim, stick a 4×2 in it would ya!

Daisy,

SF do NOT support local rates. They support higher taxes on the mega-rich who can afford to pay their fair share. They also support an end to the tax breaks on corporations. We need taxes on dividends, higher capital gains taxes and a graduated increase in corporation tax whilst implementing structural reforms. Also consider the tax loopholes which are starving billions of Euros from the Irish state e.g. the double Irish arrangement tax loophole. Bono and Facebook use this to avoid any tax liabilities to Ireland. You’re happy with that?

People who vote for FG/FF/LAB are idiots. Tax breaks given to corporations and wealthy businesses have starved the government €15 billion. FG recently allowed wealthy people with €500K immigration status to live in Ireland. This is the most unethical way of attracting sustainable jobs. Yet some people still aspire this failed legacy of Fianna Fail.

I will be voting for SF in the next election. Property taxes will be repealed once FG are voted out of office.

Sure they will Tim. Just keep on believing…

Tim, I am an ex FG voter!!!! Sick to my stomach that I believed their lies, half truths, mistruths or political shite! I will never vote FG again……EVER. You lost yet chance Edna

Well good for you Tim, I’d rather vote for Humpty Dumpty.

Ryan,

It starts with people’s willingness to change their voting habits. I regularly hear “what’s the alternative”. It’s simple: Sinn Fein, Socialists or Independents. Otherwise, we will continue the downward trajectory under FG and FF. The tax breaks on the wealthy corporations and millionaires have never created jobs – they have starved the country of revenue. Under FF and FG, government workers have been given continued pay increments despite the €20 bn deficit.

Why do we have continue to pay more taxes??? We paid all taxes on our home via interest rates on mortgages,Stamp duty.income, all Purchases on furniture,paint electrical such as fridge cooker etc paint / wallpaper garden and equipment to maintain garden etc etc and now we are expected to pay a rent (more tax) on our own homes

Bernadette we are all working for the elite some democracy

Vat and income tax are also an attack on non discretionary spending. It’s all the same thing at the end of the day.

There’s a difference between a tax on non-essentials and essentials.We need a home to live in, sleep in and raise our family. A car is not necessary and a choice, so it can be taxed and it pollutes the planet! A home, is not and should not be subject to annual tax and market conditions. No Tax on the Family home!

Jesus I will dumb it down then.
An income is essential to survive yet we tax this.
Food is essential yet this is taxed.
Fuel and electricity to heat and cook are taxed.
So what difference does it make if your house is taxed? Its all part of the same pot.

Try not Dumb yourself down also!

Sorry I miss thumbed you by mistake. Totally agree here’s the right thumb

Sorry I miss thumbed you by mistake. Totally agree here’s the right thumb

Ms Yew,

You are not alone. The truth is that a property tax is an unethical way of raising revenue while the government continues to overpay government workers and offer low taxes on the rich.

There is no such thing as a “fair tax” – you are the mercy of a corrupt government who’ll squander it on their expenses and bloated salaries. You’re happy with that?

Also, the tax breaks given to the wealthy and corporations are contributing to our structural deficit. It is estimated these tax breaks amount to €15 billion. Even Mitt Romney uses Ireland as a tax shelter.

The same way the majority ran out to get on the property ladder, following the herd. Except some of us didn’t and now we would like you all to pay property taxes to avoid this in future and as reparations for the damage you have caused. Thanks.

Tim when you grow up you can join the real world. In the future you are talking about there would mass emigration by the well educated enterprising workforce who only want a fair tax policy. You will be left with low earners and social welfare recipients and how will your wonderful sinn feinn run the country then? By robbing more banks maybe?

Yes we are, and you are 100% correct

Really Tim are you for real?

mcbab wrote:
“In the future you are talking about there would mass emigration by the well educated enterprising workforce who only want a fair tax policy”

No it won’t. The vast majority of mega-rich companies will stay in Ireland because it will still be one of the most competitive economies in the Eurozone even with tax increases. Mega-rich companies who can afford to pay their fair share will continue to avail of subsidies from the IDA and our educated english speaking workforce. Competing on taxes is unethical and takes jobs from other countries. Structural reforms on the other hand help restore confidence of private investors. Your definition of “fair tax policy” remains abstract. In other words, you expect tax breaks – the policy that caused Ireland’s financial crisis.

When Sinn Fein win the next election, property and water taxes will be abolished. They will be replaced with a third band of income tax on the wealthy and corporations. The people must not be made pay these taxes to fill the tax breaks on the rich.

Kenny for Ex-Taoiseach 2012.

Ah yes Tim, those wealthy people who pay a sh1t load in tax already, and those evil corporations who provide employment

Pierce,

Taxes on the wealthy and corporations have been declining since the 1980’s. Fine Gael recently sanctioned tax breaks to wealthy people and corporations. Ireland has the lowest corporate tax take in western Europe despite worsening finances. People who vote for tax breaks need brain surgery.

You would appear to be at one with Frau Merkel Tim. She also views tax harmonisation as a solution to the crisis.
Personally, I believe that anyone who believes that they can tax or borrow a nation out of a debt crisis is economically illiterate.

“In fact, what Merkel and her party are piecing together is a radical vision of the EU in a few years time – a deep fiscal and political union. The fiscal side involves tax harmonisation, a tightly policed Stability and Growth Pact with automatic sanctions for countries that breach debt and deficit rules, and the possibility of an EU Commissioner responsible for directly intervention to oversee budgetary policy in a crisis-hit country.”

“All of this is based on the resolution “A strong Europe – a bright future for Germany” adopted at the party’s annual congress last November. The policy paper is clear about the causes and nature of the eurozone crisis – it is about excessive levels of debt built up by countries that lived beyond their means and who, by failing to implement labour market reforms, became chronically uncompetitive. Eurobonds and a system of credit transfers between north and south are out but it amounts to a bold package that would go down well with many federalists.”
EUobserver 25/08/12

Tim, could you define a “rich” person. Assets you cannot sell? Income, what level? Does it Metternich if the person has a hefty mortgage ? A large family ? Elderly parents who ned to be in residential care? Really, how to define the phrase “rich”. Billions ,yes. Millions ? Depends on whether it canbe realised, I suppose.

Pierce , “evil” because they provide employment ? Where did you grow up?

Sean wrote:

” Personally, I believe that anyone who believes that they can tax or borrow a nation out of a debt crisis is economically illiterate”

These are the policies that got Ireland into its financial crisis. The lack of rational realism displayed by Sean reveals how corrupt the blueshirts are. Raising taxes on mega-rich companies that can afford to pay.

Sarcasm there Rory

No property tax.

Civil question to you,why as a renter do you feel you have a right to request something for others which doesn’t concern you?

I’m a taxpayer, a citizen and potential house owner. Does an unemployed person have any right to an opinion on income tax? Not in your world.

When you own a home in my world as you put it you then have a right to request a tax you will also be liable for.

NO Property tax. It would keep the bloated public sector on a party. It can be replaced with a third band of income tax as well as taxes on the rich and corporations.

The “rich” already contribute the vast majority of tax. Too many people in Ireland pay little or no tax. A property tax is one way of reaching the asset rich who might have the appearance of a low income.

@norman, using your argument, surely those on welfare shouldn’t campaign to raise taxes on the rich?

What “asset rich” are you referring to? This tax/charge is an indiscriminate money grab which inflicts more pain on an already wounded society. Personally, income based taxes are fairer than these stealth charges this cheating government is introducing, i.e. Based on the ability to pay. Politicians don’t have the balls to be upfront about anything anymore!

FG and LAB are gone at the next election. Your property taxes won’t last long until they’re abolished in the next election.

And replaced with what?

Replaced with:

1) A third band of income tax on earnings above €100K

2) Wealth tax on rich people

3) An end to tax breaks on the filthy rich (in particular the well-known “double Irish arrangement” scheme that Bono uses to avoid paying taxes to the Irish state)

4) A reduction in public sector pay (particularly high earners and the elites)

5) Structural reforms to make Ireland more sustainably competitive

1) People who earn €100K pay roughly €41K in direct taxation, which is enough I think.

2) So you work hard invest your money wisely and now you want a bit more, nice

3) Agree with you on that one

4) But no reduction in Social Welfare right

5) Which reforms do you mean specifically.

1) Income taxes on high earnings in Ireland remain among the lowest in the western hemisphere. According to the OECD, Ireland is one of the lowest taxed countries on high earners compared to the U.S, Germany, France, etc.

2) Wealthy millionaires like Bono use a tax loophole called the “double Irish arrangement” which enables them to avoid any tax liabilities to the Irish state whilst stashing their wealth in the Netherlands. Other wealthy millionaires stash their money and never invest it into jobs as evident since 2009. Since the 1980’s, taxes on the rich have been declining despite a ballooning budget deficit.

3) Pay cuts of the order of 25% needed for public sector (high earners above €70K)

4) People on entitlements have already taken a cut from €204 in 2009 to €196 in 2010 to €188 in 2012. People who are legally entitled to what they have paid for during their working days.

5) Structural reforms to the labor market; for example making it more competitive in the form of price caps on Dentists, Doctors, Lawyers and implementing labor market reforms on renting by making it easier to evict non-paying tenants, easier to hire and fire and wage restraints across the entire public and private sector.

I think it’s that you don’t like people who earn a lot of money, a want to tax them more. I don’t see how it’s your business how much somebody earns but when they pay almost half in direct taxation I have to say enough is enough. Like is said before I think the plug will be pulled on Bono, J.P. McManus etc, this won’t bring in any more money but it might make you feel better. A doctor, dentist or dog walker should be able to charge what they want for their services that’s how a free market economy works.

The ordinary Irish people should not have to fill the tax gap that rich companies or businesses avail of. There is nothing wrong or dubious about raising taxes on the rich. Ireland still has one of the lowest taxes on earnings. In the USA, Germany and France, taxes are above 60%. In Ireland, taxes are just shy of a mere 45%. Corporation tax on mega-rich companies remains the lowest in western Europe. This despite the fact these companies can well-afford to pay their fair share of HIGHER TAXES. Facebook uses the “double Irish arrangement” tax loophole to avoid any tax liabilities to Ireland.

“Facebook uses the “double Irish arrangement” tax loophole to avoid any tax liabilities to Ireland.”

If that loophole gets closed, how long before we see the headlines ‘Facebook pulls out of Ireland costing 100s of jobs’? While I don’t like the fact that multinational companies use loopholes and low corporate tax rates to do business here, the income tax take from the jobs that they create by doing so is vital to the economy.