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Column: Two years on – how civil partnership helped change Irish attitudes

I’m proud I was involved in bringing about civil partnership, because it’s made a real difference to people’s lives – including my own, writes Roderic O’Gorman.

Roderic O'Gorman

This month marks the second anniversary of civil partnership in Ireland, after the first gay and lesbian couples gave their notice at registry offices in January 2011.

Here Roderic O’Gorman, who played a part in the campaign for civil partnership legislation, describes how it came to pass – and the impact it has had.

SINCE THE CIVIL Partnership Act was passed, 965 civil partnerships have been undertaken within the country. Almost 2,000 men and women now enjoy the rights and responsibilities that the legislation provides. Public polling has registered increased majority support for full civil marriage.

Perhaps the Irish Catholic Bishops put it best when they stated:

By making civil partnerships as much like marriage as possible, the [Civil Partnership Bill] is preparing a situation where, in the future, calling same-sex unions ‘marriage’ will seem only a small step. Indeed it is likely that, in day-to-day language and in the media, civil partnerships will be referred to as ‘marriage’.

When social change happens, its success can often seem inevitable, but the reality is usually different. The achievement of civil partnership in Ireland is a good example of this.

When the Green Party went into Government in 2007, I had the opportunity to input on the drafting of the civil partnerships legislation. The issue of same-sex marriage had almost derailed the negotiations between Fianna Fáil and the Green Party, due to their refusal to budge on the issue. The eventual compromise in the Programme for Government stated that coalition government would legislate for civil partnership at the earliest possible date. From this point on, the goal shared by myself and the Green TDs and staff involved was to make the rights and responsibilities of civil partnerships as close to marriage as possible.

Full equality

While we acknowledged that civil partnership was not the full equality that gay and lesbian couples deserved, we strongly believed that it would act as a stepping stone towards marriage equality, as it had in other jurisdictions such as Belgium and Connecticut. We saw civil partnerships as a means of extending real protection to the many existing same-sex couples in the country, but also of granting official State recognition for these relationships.

After the formation of the Government, I met with then Justice Minister Brian Lenihan on a number of occasions, as well as with civil servants in his department. I knew Brian, having stood against him in Dublin West in the 2007 General Election. Throughout my interactions with him, it was clear that he was personally well disposed to ensuring extensive rights were provided for gay and lesbian couples, while stopping short of marriage. He also made it clear that he felt constrained by the more traditionalist view shared by many backbench FF TDs.

Some were critical of the Green Party for not insisting on full marriage equality or nothing. For a period, the Civil Partnership Bill was severely denigrated by some activists, culminating in a copy of it being ripped up at the Gay Pride Parade. This criticism was difficult to take, both because we genuinely believe this was a significant step forward for LGBT rights but also because it played into the hands of those on the right who wished to scupper the bill.

Changing attitutes

After the Civil Partnership Bill was introduced in the Dail there was a significant change in attitudes within Fianna Fáil. This was largely due to our interactions with them on the issue and sustained lobbying by organisations such as GLEN but also a more liberal attitude on the part of members of Ogra Fianna Fail. Marriage Equality’s campaign whereby gay and lesbian constituents lobbied their Fianna Fáil TDs also had an impact.

But some attitudes were harder to change. During this period, myself and some Green TDs attended a meeting of people opposed to the civil partnerships act for religious reasons. We listened to the concerns expressed by many of the 60 or so present in the Lord Edward Hotel – some of which were put forward in a very forceful manner. I recall being struck when, towards the end of the meeting I mentioned that I was gay and what I felt the bill would mean to me, the palpable hostility of the meeting lessened significantly. I got the impression that many there probably hadn’t met a gay men or women before. As I left the meeting, one elderly lady held my hand and told me:

God doesn’t hate you. He just hates … the act itself.

In the end, the Bill’s passage through the Dail was achieved with complete unanimity. The final stage in the Seanad was more controversial, with three Fianna Fáil senators joining Ronan Mullen in making a sustained attempt to delay a concluding vote. Sitting in the public gallery with some Green Party colleagues, there was a real sense that this was something that would make a real difference in people’s lives (including my own). This was what politics should be about.

Public perception has changed hugely from 2005, when the Oireachtas All-Party Committee on the Constitution refused to even suggest a referendum on same-sex marriage, regarding it as too controversial. I strongly believe that the approach of achieving civil partnership, despite its limitations, was the correct one in that it is providing immediate protection, while at the same time changing peoples’ attitudes to gay and lesbian relationships. Now, the proposed Constitutional Convention offers the opportunity to finally achieve the goal that was started by civil partnership – full marriage equality within our country.

Roderic O’Gorman is Chairperson of the Green Party and its local representative in Dublin West. He is a lecturer in Dublin City University where he teaches Constitutional Law, EU Law and Business Law.

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Comments (92 Comments)

  • I don’t see how people can logically say that civil partnerships are a step backwards or have negative consequences. A couples civil partnership only affects the couple involved.
    I am in a civil partnership and yes it’s great for me and my partner, but I can’t see how it matters to anyone else that we are civilly committed to each other and protected by law . What difference does it make to anyone?

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  • I bet that’s what all the girls say about you

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  • Ah sure what’s the harm, marriage for everyone I say

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  • Shocked by some of the statements made on here, I thought we had moved on so much as a nation. How wrong was I? Equality for all its as simple as that

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  • He must have been very drunk.

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  • I am reporting your comment below Shane. Exhortation of homophobic violence is just plain wrong. Muppet.

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  • That statement is not a joke, its an incitement of hatred and homophobic violence.

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  • Gay people have not been given any privileges, a privilege is something given to someone over and above that which others have. Quite the opposite, gay people are being denied a basic human right – the right to be legally married to the partner of their choice. Marriage is NOT a religious union, this state has provided for non-religious civil marriages for its heterosexual citizens for many years. Gay people are not asking for churches to provide them with religious marriage ceremonies, they are asking for their government to treat them as equal citizens and tax-payers and provide them with the same rights to a secular marriage as heterosexuals have. I don’t understand why anyone would think that that’s unreasonable or how people can think “the gays are always wanting more”. No one’s asking for special treatment, they’re asking for equal treatment.

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  • Shane statistics show that a fifth of Irish gay people will have tried to commit suicide. Does this make you happy and content? Would it save you the 3 foot of ash if they do it themselves? You see gay people look at the internet too, even gay teenagers and they see comments such as yours. Not even as harsh as yours just the ‘we won’t put them down but they’ll never be equal to us. Have you recollection of young men in your locality who killed themselves leaving everyone baffled. ‘He was so popular’ ‘So good at sport’ ‘So good at his studies’ ‘Can’t understand it’? Yeah lol!

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  • Gay marraige is inevitable, it may not happen this year or next but it will happen!! those opposed to it had better come around!

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  • Wynnner 10/01/13 #

    I think its not surprising the same people opposed the introduction of contraceptions,the decriminalisation of homosexuality, the introduction of divorce, the introduction of civil partnerships, the future implementation of legislation that looks close to X case and the future implementation of marriage equality, it will happen that much I’m sure of!

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  • That comment is completely out of order.

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  • What’s so wrong with 2 people loving each other and sharing the same rights as a hetro couple?

    Come on lads n lassies its 2013

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  • Are you bored Shane in Carrick-on-Suir ?

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  • Na, I bet it didn’t happen that way at all. I bet you went back to his place, blew him and then you let him pound into for so long that you couldn’t walk right for a week. And you loved it. Every second if it. But he wasn’t interested in going again cause you were a bit crap. So you started stalking him and then he caught you and then he pulled the piss out of you so bad that you started to cry so much that you wet yourself. In public.
    But still you just can’t let go how good it was and now the only way you can express your anger is homophobic remarks.

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  • Eleen 10/01/13 #

    Shane: deep breaths now. get out into the fresh air and do some gentle exercises to calm yourself there’s a good lad.

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  • Reading this gets me wondering about how uneducated and bigoted some creeps are in the world @shane @michael

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  • @ Shane I bet your family are really proud of you. I hope you don’t have children. You would be a horrible example of a parent. Grow up.

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  • @Geoff Brilliant!!!

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  • Eleen 11/01/13 #

    Jaysis I wouldn’t want to meet you when you’re riled up then that’s for sure. I’ve reported some of your comments too, you can’t pretend your deep seated hatred of gay people doesn’t exist just because you pretend it’s a joke. Don’t work like that and besides, it’s not a joke if no one’s laughing, sorry about ya.

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  • Who ate all the pork pies?

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  • First of all, there is NO gay “agenda” besides demanding their rights be equal. I haven’t watched the videos linked above because, frankly, I don’t need to. I have seen plenty of videos claiming that there is a gay agenda. They’ve all been shown to be made by numbskulls in tinfoil hats with a stockpile of canned tuna, guns, ammunition and a bible with a disheveled cover. Nutters and conspiracy theorists. I am also pretty sure that Shane DID take a boning from a “boyo” and feels abandoned now that he won’t call him back. You know, Shane, it DOES count as a boning even if he didn’t kiss you on the lips… Besides, why is your profile picture a woman that would more than likely not even give you the time of day? Did you choose it so that everyone seeing it would think you’d rather pound her than your “boyo”? Seems like a “lad” would be secure enough in his sexuality without having to prove it. With that said, if you aren’t a “boyo” yourself, it would seem that you’d be better served not asserting your sexuality with pictures of hot women or homophobic remarks.

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  • You look like a joke that profile!!!!! haha

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  • Are you into Bear?

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  • Have you tried it Shane?

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  • This mystery “agenda” is news to me, I must not have got the memo. Sounds like the trolls are subscribers to Jim Corr’s school of thought on the New World Order, which automatically makes their comments null and void within a sane context. Its nice over here.

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  • Yes the civil partnership has benifitted some unions, but on the whole it leaves some partnerships and citizens as second class. I as a father in a cohabiting relationship still do not have the same rights as married, gay union civil partnership or cohabiting civil partnership in relation to taxes or rights to my child and the resent referendum for childrens rights has only enforced this due to the “No Camera” rule. I will effectly have no come back or input if ever I have to go to a family court where it is State v Family. The problem as I see it is one where politicians in a rush to serve party policy have not served the state, that which they where elected for (Party orientation over state). We have a constitution where the modern Irish family is not spelt out in all its forms. The child is defined and looked after, but not the family apart from the woman/ mother where her services to the family is with out parrell or equal. With all the best will and intentions in the world this bill still leaves some couples behind. That is this bills failure and great pity. (sorry for any spellings errors).

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    • Hi, You make great points re the failures of the current system but you’re incorrect in some of your statement. Gay civil partnerships have no rights regarding children. For some that’s the crux of the problem with civil partnerships. Civil partnerships confer next of kinship between partners, and also the tax relationship, but parenthood and guardianship are not covered at all, so if I was to die, my child (borne of my partner but raised by us both equally) would have no rights to my estate or any inheritance. There are other problems with this as well, but I wont go on. Civil partnerships are not full equality as nice as they are, suffice it to say.

      Regarding the rights of fathers in cohabiting relationships and indeed where the parents are not married or cohabiting or even in a relationship, it’s a scandalous situation that the law does not clarify that situation and confer equal rights to both parents. A family member of mine is in one of those situations and he has access to his daughter because his ex girlfriend is kind but he has no legal rights. It’s a shambles. The legal framework doesnt consider the non married family and it’s ridiculous. Politicians dont listen though, they’d rather set parents against each other in the courts system.

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  • Ill do the right thing I apolagise for my comment

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  • Ok, equality’s great and all that but there’s bigger and more important fish to fry. Honestly, I’m getting sick of the LGBT brigade shoving their propaganda down my throat. They have basically equal status under the law so really should move on and be happy with the privileges we’ve given them.

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    • Naive and idiotic response. You need to do your reading mate. Things are far from equal in this country and people aren’t just going to hush up to please you !

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    • Seriously? We’re ‘basically’ (read: not) equal so get over it? Are you trolling or just stupid? I like to know before wasting the time detailing exactly how and where you are wrong.

      More positively, well done Roderic. Let’s get over the line with full marriage sooner rather than later!

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    • Hardly idiotic. I fully support Gay Marriage but marriage is a religious instrument and you can’t just pick and choose which bits to ignore. (I ignore them all for the record). I do recognize however a need for full equality though right now just ‘aint the time.

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    • Priveleges we ve given them?……we’re talking about citizens of our state…or brothers and sisters….not some abstract set of people we don’t know….get real mate…years ago when working abroad an Englishman asked me why Irish people were always banging on about being Irish…I told him that when you don’t have much of a voice that you have to shout louder…same with our lgbt community….they have all the responsibilities if being citizens without many of the benefits…that’s why they have to “go on”as you put it

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    • “happy with the privileges we’ve given” – there’s an equality right there…

      Being in legally recognised relationship with loved one is a human right, not a privilege. And definitely not that’s yours to give…

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    • Yeah, you were given them and we gave them gladly, but don’t forget you didn’t always have them so maybe a little bit of gratitude?

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    • Thank you Harry, thank you so very much for the “equality” and “rights” YOU have given me, an inferior being. Thank you oh so much from the bottom of my heart because otherwise I’d just be a half being of inferior ilk!

      Seriously Harry, F@#K off and do you’re trolling elsewhere….you and the rest of the Hetros gave me nothing, we won it fair and square based on the fact that every human being deserves equality even if we still have a long way to go!!!!!!

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    • I agree Harry. The journal offices must be quite when there is a gay pride march on. What happened to journalists remaining neutral. How about a column on what a step backward civil partnerships are?

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    • Privileges you’ve given us? Gee, thanks, I fall before you in praise, great one.
      The fact I’m a citizen of this country, same as you, pay taxes same as you, and still am regarded as different, that’s your idea of a privilege you have granted me? You expect me to be happy with that?
      Keep dreaming mate, I’ll be happy when I’m equal, and not before.

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    • Oh brian would ya ever go to confession and admit your sins! You are completely against the gospel of matthews statement on do unto your neighbours as you would unto yourself.

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    • Seeing as you were so gracious in “giving” me and my partner our civil partnership “privileges”, you could have at least footed the bill for the reception! Honestly! Half arsed!

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    • Eleen 10/01/13 #

      Harry, marriage is not a religious instrument. My parents are married and they’re not religious. It’s called a Civil Marriage, you get it done in a registrar’s office. What gay people have is a Civil Partnership. We want to have Civil Marriage because what we have now does not afford us the same rights.

      We’re talking about marriage outside of religion here.

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    • “We’ve given them??” Please. What an ignorant comment to make. Like we were so kind to give women the vote and black people the same rights as white people!? Everybody deserves to have equal rights and no one has the right to say “They should be happy with what we’ve given them” People should always fight for what is right instead of accepting second class. I’m guessing you think we should still have Bertie Ahern in government too ?

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    • Marriage a religious instrument? Did people not marry before Jesus apparently arrived? What makes it religious but only religion claiming it as its own.

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    • There is a difference between state marriage and church marriage, you do know this yes?

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    • Not to mention, my religion WANTS to be able to marry LGBT couples in our church. So much for for freedom of religion.

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    • I’m not subscribing any predictive power to psychoanalysis or anything but isn’t it interesting that the phrase most used by those opposed to equal marriage is usually something along the lines of

      “forcing it down my throat “.

      It’s a phrase I don’t really hear other than from the homophobes in this debate. I have a feeling they stay awake at nights, lying in bed, just thinking of all the things gay people could be forcing down their throats. They can’t deal with the funny feelings this gives them so they resort to trying to stop gay people having equal rights under the law.

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    • I completely agree with Harry.

      It’s exactly the same with Women’s Lib. They got the vote. Then they wanted the “right” to stand for elections. Now they’re harping on about equal pay??? What madness has this wrought!!

      And don’t get me started on the fact that children can’t be used as enforced labour anymore.

      I also agree that marriage should be traditional. So when I get married, if I don’t get at least 7 cows and 5 goats as dowry, I’m not marrying her. End of. And she better not have any notions of “equality” or “fairness”. She’ll be my property, and that’s that. Like all good traditional marriages.

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  • Once LGBT get marriage equality will there be another thing they want or will that be it???

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    • @joe, marriage equality is only the beginning,the gay agenda is much bigger than that !!! I suggest you look at america if you want to know what that agenda is.

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    • @sean any reason why you don’t want to enlighten me??

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    • Yes, there is. You’re very perceptive. We’re all going to come round your house every Thursday evening and turn you gay through music, dance, nice clothes and moisturiser. And we’ll make sure that this gets passed through as law, failure to comply will result in a prison sentence. And we’ll be running the prisons too.

      Seriously, what is it that you’re afraid of? There’s absolutely nothing in the LGBT equal rights movement that is of any threat to you in any way.

      Admission: I’m really an old fat straight white male. But given your comment, I’m damned if I’ll count myself among your number.

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    • Unicorns and a palace of chocolate made by willy wonka!

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    • You’re an angry fella aren’t you Michael? Any particular reason why you hate gay guys?

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    • Hate? I certainly don’t hate any sub-section of society! It’s just far reaching and highly consequential agendas I disagree with.

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    • @Sean Ryan, what is this “gay agenda” of which you speak? You make it sound like there’s a hand book given out! I can say as “a gay”, there’s no agenda that I’m aware of. My only concern is for my partner and my family. There are many gay people like myself who aren’t affiliated to any group pushing and agenda. We live normal lives, paying taxes, bills, washing our clothes, all the rest. Leaves very little time for a gay agenda, of course if you mean “the love that dare not speak its name”, well, there’s always time for that ;)

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    • Wynnner 10/01/13 #

      I’d love to know about this Gay Agenda can you please enlighten me

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    • In America gay’s are going to bring down the nation have a look at this; http://now.msn.com/rev-phil-snider-preacher-gives-gay-rights-speech-with-a-twist

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    • Michael, ‘far reaching and highly consequential agendas’? Seriously? Care to elaborate on the faintly apocalyptic scenario you allude to?

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    • Paul 10/01/13 #

      Brilliant video Anne!

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    • Joe,when gay marriage is made legal in ireland,which it will,it will effect every last thread of the fabric of society, do you remember the recent case in england involving the b&b owner, schools will be effected property owners,pubs and clubs the list goes on and on and on, you are not only being asked to accept gay marriage but also the whole homosexual lifestyle and it won’t matter one bit if you agree with it or not it will be forced upon you, how about that for rights.

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    • As I recall the courts ruled in favor of the B&B owners, so that’s really a null point, I’d think you’d be hard press to find a pub or club who are going to turn away paying customers in this economy and as for affecting schools, how much time do you think is spent on sex ed and teaching about marriage in our schools?
      It is a tiny amount of time, and the introduction of marriage equality will have little or no effect on it, though it might be the start of schools really tackling the rampant homophobic bullying in our schools.
      All gay people want is for their families, their children and partners, to enjoy the same rights and protections as anyone else’s family, to have their young people protected from bullying, harassment and attack and to be viewed as equals to any straight person in the eyes of the state.
      The only people who are trying to force their lifestyle on others are the religious right and those with a hatred for gay people.

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    • David, the b&b couple lost their case and were ordered to pay €3600 in compensation to the gay couple for hurting their feelings under the equality law act (sexual orientation) however they are now appealing the decision to the supreme court, these people were denied their right to refuse the couple btw they had also refused unmarried heterosexual couples to use their b&b, david children get bullied in school for all reasons why do you think a gay student would be any different,so then homosexuality will become part of the sex lessons,how exactly do you propose this should be thought ? David people do have a right not to agree with homosexuality but that right will be removed when gay marriage is made legal and people will be prosecuted and sued left,right and centre, so i hope you can appreciate my concerns for people that do not agree with homosexual marriages and it’s consequences for society as a whole.

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    • Sean do you mean the homosexual life will be forced on you as opposed to you forcing heterosexual life on to gay people?

      Clearly the concept of equality escapes you.

      Or are you afraid those pesky homosexuals will turn you? (Drag you out of the closet)

      It’s not gay marriage, it’s marriage equality, you are no better or worse than someone who is gay, so why should you have more rights?

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    • @stephen, NWAR.

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    • No, Sean, I do not apprecate your “concerns” (read post hoc justifications for a deep seated hatred and fear of LGBT people).
      I will admit I was wrong about the anti-gay Christian B&B owners, however you seem to sugest that the introduction of marriage equal will also introduce massive restrictions on the freedom of speech of those who oppose equal protections for gay people and their families but this has failed to materialize in the nations that have decided to introduce marriage equality, some bigots lost their jobs where their duties where fundamentally compromised by their religious beliefs, though thats like joining the army, then declaring you’re a pacifist, then being surprised when you’re discharged.
      The only people who have tried to use the law to silence their opposition are the religious right (Section 28, Briggs Initiative, Kill the Gays Bill, Russia’s Gay Propaganda Law, etc.).
      Lets turn the situation around, should a gay B&B owner be able to refuse a fundamentalist christian couple a room because he thinks their lifestyle is wrong, or a gay doctor be allowed to refuse to treat them, or a gay registar to refuse to marry them?
      You’re comments on bullying are disgusting and show a lack of concern for children, you practically said that gay teenagers deserve to be bullied because they are gay and that we shouldn’t even try to stop the practice in general.
      I brought up Sex Ed because the anti-equality lobby try to make out that introducing marriage equality will lead to large changes in the way this this is taught, while never reflecting how little is taught even about straight sex in our schools, or safe sex for that matter, which might explain the large number of teen pregnacies and the spread of STIs in Ireland but yes I do believe that homosexuality is something that needs to be talked about in schools in the same way that schools already talk about the issues that affect ethic minorities or women or other marginalized groups or about health and mental health.
      The only thing extra that schools should teach about homosexuality is that it is perfectly natural for some people to feel attracted to their own sex and if they are acting on those feelings then, like with a straight couple, its best if you two are in a committed relationship but at the very least, that you practice safe sex.
      Sean, young gay people have all the same rights to be educated in an inclusive enviroment, free of hostility as their straight counter parts, if Roman Church schools can’t provide that, or believe that protecting young gay people from bullying is contrary to their ethos, then I think the church’s patronage of so many of our schools needs to be re-examined, today the gays, tomorrow who’s going to be considered unworthy of protect by Rome?

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    • No david i did not say that gay students deserve to get bullied and if it came across that way i apologise
      However students get bullied for all reasons.

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  • Ter 10/01/13 #

    Ireland on a road to nowhere.

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  • Tried what mark?

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  • Lol Conor relax there big dog

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  • I have one Paul! so have all males

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  • I apolagised can’t do any more

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    • You are a disgrace.

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    • The lad above took it literally as violence not as the intended joke lol your hardly gonna clatter someone o. Purpose with 3 foot of ash lol

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    • Shane I can take any joke about being gay, I can debate with people who disagree with me even at their most zealous and I have never reported a comment. Even personal and disgusting insults at me.

      I am a man and have the emotions of one, not a woman.

      The reason I reported your comment was because you said that you beat up a gay man that groped you while drunk and then your next comment stated that homosexuality could be beaten out of gay men. That was it at its simplest.

      You intended it as a joke but I have had friends beaten up simply because they looked or sounded “gay”. Your comment was an incitement of hatred and violence whether you intended it or not.

      Thanks for manning up to apologise but you need to think before commenting. If you had a gay mate or family member I am sure you would have found the comment disgusting too.

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  • I’m totally calm! The most relaxed I have been all day

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  • Lol that’s what he did n he faced the repercussions

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  • Having a quiet now in mark watching polar bears on tv!
    How are you

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  • Ger 11/01/13 #

    To respond to the article, the reason people criticised the Greens’ “compromise”, was that it was no compromise at all. Fianna F?il’s OWN manifesto from that election promised CP. The Greens promised equality. So what was the comprise? To cave to FF utterly and completely.

    A compromise would have been equality in absolutely every way, except name (like the UK). Not even that was delivered.

    Or the alternative scenario, the one I believe the most likely, was that in the negotiations, FF acknowledged they had never had any intention of introducing what they said in their manifesto. And then the criticism is still deserved for going into government with someone like that.

    In any case, it doesn’t leave me convinced of FF’s alleged support for equality now.

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