Exactly Norman, if you push a man over the edge he will retaliate, of you invade his home, take it from him, leave him starving or his family, withdraw medical care and consign him to lifelong austerity in the name of democracy, well then it doesn’t matter if he lives in an autocratic, aristocratic dictatorial or democratic society, that society has failed him and he will retaliate. This is where democracies has either failed us or has been hijacked by the same type of vermin whom we took it from…..revolution IS on the way, call them terrorists or freedom fighters depends on how comfortable you are and much money you have in your pocket….

I hope if misunderstood you, as to me it sounds like you’re rubbing your hands together in gleeful anticipation..

No Nikolas you do misunderstand me, an observation offered,hopefully there will be no further violence other than what has occured.
How much more do you think the Greek are able or more importantly willing to take before things really “kickoff”?

Violence cannot be condoned, in this or any other situation. People who cheer on violence as necessary political action tend not to have had any pervious experience of such violence. It’s not Star Wars and the shooters are not the plucky rebels.

Nikolas i hope you are not trying to imply i condone violence?

Norman, no. My original comment wasn’t replying to yours, it was in response to the comment below yours, David’s I think..

Nikolas thanks for clearing that up.

Nikolas … “Violence cannot be condoned, in this or any other situation”

Yer talkin thru yer hole

Things are far worse in greece than the media would have you believe. Suicide is at almost epidemic proportions but is rarely reported. People are going hungry families are evicting their children when they turn 18 because they cant afford to feed them. Im surprised there hasnt been all out civil war by now. It will come however and sooner than anyone thinks. People will only take so much

You are right Fergus, as like Ireland a tight lid is kept on the lot thanks to our Democratic media. 1 politician commits suicide (RIP) and the government is in turmoil and needs to act immediately to stop this epidemic of abuse and right to expression but, 2 young girls (RIP) only weeks before receive little to no recognition that something needed doing…..pathetic…
The number of suicides in this country is revolting and the reasons why are even more so……. but shuutttttt……. Don’t rock the boat for this farce of a coalition…..

So violence CAN be condoned uncertain circumstance then? What circumstances would they be?

Nikolas,
When this country was under British control. Violence freed it.
What stopped Hitler from invading Europe ? Violence.
During apartheid violence again played a factor in bringing about negotiations The exact same can be said for northern Ireland catholics would not have got equal rights without violence. More recently Libya.
So violence can be used for the greater good.

In the end, it is usually a rising of the people (or the mob, if you will) that brings big change. This can be peaceful, or it can be violent. It all depends on the path chosen by the rulers in question. If they opt for repression, then they are rolling the dice. If they lose, it’s the rope, the pistol or the firing squad. If they win, they can hang in there a while longer.
If the government is capable of reform, then power sharing is a possibility that can avoid violence.
All too often, those in power choose to roll the dice. Pinochet. Marcos. Bautista. Duarte. Samosa. Ceaușescu. Mubarek. Gaddaffi. Pahlavi. Hussein. Czar Nicky. Hey, I bet I can make up a song just using all their names!!
But I digress. Power is fleeting. Those who rule harshly get their reward eventually. It usually doesn’t end well for them.

They were in our situation a few years ago when it was bad but you could plough through it, it got much worse as it will here. Like them, lets add a few more years of austerity and wait until 2015/16 and come back and compare…..

Typical reply comment. I was expecting

We are no where near a situation like them even at our worst we were not even close to the greece situation they are an economic basket case we on the other had have showed alot of signs of improvement where as greece Will never improve in my life time

It will take alot for us to end up like the greeks like a full scale civil war

Nonsense David, alot of the worst that Ireland has experienced has passed, Ireland won’t end up anywhere near like Greece at any stage.

David, people said in 2008 we’d revolt over the bailout, then in 2010 over NAMA, then again last year over the household charge etc.

Years go by and the Irish people only go as far as venting their anger on websites such as these.

In 2015/16 people will still be at home and the worst of austerity will be behind us.

Greek debt is average €8000 per person. Irish debt is €320,000 per person and will take 50 years to pay off. Don’t rule out Greek regime change also spreading to Spain and Portugal as each had military dictatorships before joining the EEC now EU.

Austerity in ireland hasnt even begun yet. We still have a 13 billion deficit to close and all the low hanging fruit has been plucked.

Barry I don’t condone violence but I wonder how many people have died in Greece as a result of the policies currently being pursued? How much blood does the Greek state and political parties have on their hands?

And how many more people would have died if the government just did nothing?

It’s not easy to admit, but things could be much worse in Greece.

Who claimed the Greek government should have done nothing?

Kerry you implied it, the only other alternative was to go under.

Well said Peter . People’s eyes are being opened

Well said. This isn’t a movie.

Well said? I must add idiocratic to my list above! DO NOT call this a democratic state, Did YOU vote on the night our sovereignty was signed away? Did you vote about taking on the 67 BILLION bank debt at the expense our our DEMOCRATIC electorate? Actually we don’t even know who WAS in that room on that night, thats some democracy you speak about. When a state & it’s representatives without mandate, right or permission signed away every man, woman & child to 10/20 years of austerity to cover international GAMBLING debts of the rich….DO NOT call what has happened democratic
procedure please, you insult yourselves. I’m not saying we should advocate war or violence but only idiocratic men are blind to the fact that if you push man,he will push back. Secondly, riot police on the streets of europe firing rubber bullets or the like when the vast majority of the electorate are discontent is not democracy.We here, elected a government on promises and direction but none came to fruit, from hospitals, paycaps to no more money to Frankfurt, cronyism, and on and on. They betrayed us and the democratic process. once 1 penny leaves our shores to foreign banks & foreign powers even with the obvious massive objections from all quarters of society then democracy is dead. Multinationals & world banks own countries, dictate new taxes on the people through corrupt governments, they control metal, coal, our oil, gas, soon our esb, now our water which they class as “comodity” & will be privatised

Violence is not an option, irrespective of the economic position. Put it this way; the shooters are obviously opposed to the government. If they were in power, do you think they would have a different opinion on killing as means to end?

I do, as with Michael Collins, he pursued those who were traitors to our country. If I use your mantra, then Michael Collins & our other great revolutionary heroes are….what? Terrorists?….
Strange that’s what the UK labelled them & many of their own countrymen too… Oh how history has a nasty was of repeating itself..
I’d rather go to work, buy a car and go on holidays Nickolas but seems like those at the helm have a different opinion on where my money should go….where is the line between dictocracy and democracy when a government stops listening to the people they represent? It seems democracy can be bent to suit anything ,anyone, anytime. Remember, it’s ALL about economics and politics, nations only take up arms in times of political or economical hardship or oppression.
Domocide is a new term used, but the fact that governments don’t pull a trigger but let people die on trollies and waiting lists (as our billions flow in the wrong direction) etc…doesn’t mean they are morally excused from being responsible for literally killing people.

Well said David , “when dictatorship is a fact, REVOLUTION becomes a right”.

Nikolas, violence is always an option, both for the state and for those ruled by the state.