It’s because they’re afraid of a reinvigorated Sinn Féin. The days of ff/fg dominance ate truly over and they know it. Sinn Féin will be in government in the republic soon. It’s inevitable and they know it.

This is good, it highlights one of the powers FF/FG/Labour don’t want to part with and it’ll be voted down. Just like the Church, the arrogance of the three parties I mentioned. Is truly shocking, disgusting and anyone that’s against Stopping the political appointment of judges are just as corrupt!

Adding to that, How many of the judges appointed by FG/FF/Labour will be in charge of cases. That’ll be brought against the Anti-Household and water Tax etc.? If you told anyone, the people making the laws appoint the judges aswell! They’d think you were from North Korea, or a third world Country?

if SF can get this through it will get rid of a lot of the corruption in the state . the political classes will now be held accountable .

Well said…

Mike
What a the arguments against the current appointment system.

“are”

So sick of this SF have out a good motion forward, everyone knows the justice system in Ireland isn’t working too well so change the way judges are appointed, not appointed by government, what’s the problem?

Thank you Julie.
The system as it stands needs to be seriously overhauled.
There is too much variation in fines/charges etc.
The outcome of a case should not depend on what mood the judge is in .
The system is outdated and needs to be brought up to date.

Hi Richard, the corruption of judiciary appointment by political vested interest well documented in Shane Ross and Nick Webb’s book The Untouchables. Irish best-seller, check it out.

http://www.indymedia.ie/article/101531

Yip nothing wrong with the system as it is ! Really !

http://www.indymedia.ie/article/99578
http://www.indymedia.ie/article/91376

Lots more examples it actually shocking so go have a look for yourself

The argument against current system is plain to see. Politely appointments are open to political bias on future judgements. A judge not only rules on the case at hand but also interprets it also. So judges should be seen to be impartial completely.

Indymedia is as about a balanced and unbiased news source as Fox news. Reading the sample cases it’s very hard to know what is going on other than just about everybody has colluded against the plaintiff. I don’t think it would be fair to class these as ordinary examples of justice.

Political appointment of Judges means that party leaders can place their own members in the Judiciary. This has gone on for decades. Would the corruption of the Haughey years and following have continued if there were Judges that were not loyal FF members protecting the team. Course not.

I think that it’s fair to say that corruption was so endemic in Irish political life and society that such cases were never getting in front of a judge in the first place. A judge can only judge on what comes before him or her.

You got it in one! It’s pathetic.

Thomas
You cannot challenge Judicial Appointments because someone took a case this week in circumstances where they didn’t understand the law. Are you saying man that the judge should have bent the law because the application was popular with your political grouping?
That’s why the Government will toss this Sinn Fein proposal into the nearest bin.
Your posting has really undermined the SF case!

Thomas, you seem to have no idea at all of a Judge’s job. Saying that Judge Kearns woud “not talk to Hall” is wrong is just wrong of you. He did “talk” to him with a lengthy hearing of Hall’s case. Further , the job of a Judge is the job of implementing the Law as laid don by the 0ireachtas. The Judges own view on the value of a claim before him is irrelevant. He must lay down the Law as it stands , even if s/he thinks the Law stinks. Blame the lawmakers bot the Judge. You have lost the plot.

Asumptions from a person who wont show his face

Thomas
When you make extremely foolish contributions under a photograph we then know what silliness looks like!

Spineless and faceless

It might not go through yet but when the current bunch of corrupt inbreds are dragged out of office there may well be a shake up in the justice system.

Thomas, he failed because he did not have a locus standi (sufficient standing) to take the case. Locus standi is an extremely important legal principle, otherwise people could just take cases for any old crap they see on the streets on a day to day basis, whether it directly affects them or not.

rogers your so fake you would make barbie jealous

Why bother?, Waste of time and money.

Great attitude, why bother doing anything, would change the Tv station but the remote is over 3 feet away. I share your pain Scrap Croke.

It wouldn’t matter if there was a party whip system or not. No TD from FG/Labour/FF would support a bill proposed by SF, something SF know well.

james im no shinner but i have to agree with your point .

Matthew
How does your electoral preference advance the discussion. Or are you simply saying something for the sake of saying it?

I’m with Matthew, all the way

Gaius I don’t think ancient roman statues get a vote.

And how does your comment advance the conversation Richard ? Or are you just saying it for the sake of saying it.

Darren you’ll get used to “Richard” well thats his name this week.He normally only replies to insult someone.Say something hurtful about the government and hes all over you like “white on rice”.Best to ignore him,most do.

One more outburst like that Carl and I’ll have you thrown to the lions at the Circus Maximus,stultus pleb

So would I, even though they would regard me as a West Brit Israel supporter, at least they put forward some decent alternative proposals to the domestic economy killing decisions of FF/FG/Lab. The political appointments of judges is a particular bugbear of mine when you see some of the party hacks that have been appointed over the years, it’s very often a case of who, rather than what, you know. It shouldn’t matter who brings it forward, even if it was the awful Alan Shatter, if it’s a good bill it should get support.

I would have labelled you an Eastern American. ;)

rogers get of the stage people do not want to hear your political party rubbish

As far as I know Willie o’Dea’s Grandfather was in the RIC. Willie like a lot of FF’ers is from a long line of which way is the wind blowing. Brian Lenihan’s uncle Paddy was a German spy during WW2 he also spied for the British at the same time, he had been ran out of here due to customs fraud. His other vbrothers were Cumann Na Gaedhal up to the time FF came to power and then they were staunch FF men.

Most of the people complaining over the shinners couldn’t care less what was done, it is about the threat to their hold on power. The septic state is being forced to reform and they hate them for that.

Good post Martin…if SF are putting forward good proposals and we don’t listen who are the fools?….us or them?

Just to Clarify P Capore ” Joe was a brother of Patrick Lenihan, the father of the late Brian Lenihan and Mary O’Rourke.” http://www.irishexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/ryle-dwyer/murdered-gardas-family-deserves-the-full-truth-whats-the-problem-39626.html Thanks for bringing that up as I never knew anything about this point in history. Says a lot about why Germany has such a grip on us at the moment.

Thats Judge Dredd btw ;)

I would say a cross party committee or else people without political affiliations who would appoint candidates based on experience and not on whose TD’s arse they kissed.

David, I just checked your facebook page and under the “Inspirational People” section, you have Enda Kenny!! I’m struggling to type here, the laughter tears are rolling down my cheeks!! You’re some comedian, you really are!! Honestly David, sorry, just a sec till I compose myself…….sorry, I’m unable to stop laughing for long enough!!! TBC!!

Reform the Seanad, elect the Senators and have a committee of Independents do the selection and appointing. Make a person, apply for a judges position, for a change and have it advertised like other jobs!

stupid comment of the week!

Only thing I’m laughing at is your comment

Says the guy in a thong?

I’m wearing it right now Stephen. Wink wink!

Drivel……

Some people you should have said

No, most is fair comment. Most people see SF for what they are…

What is it that SF really are Reilly present day now ,what are they without bringing up the past will you tell me what they are doing wrong ?

Julie, that you can get past the fact that the SF party and its some of its TD’s & members/ activists have blood on their hands speaks volumes. You keep asking what have they done recently cause your running from their past…

No I’m trying to get me and this country running towards the future. Yet again you didn’t answer my question. Yes maybe 4 were involved in the conflict out of a whole party. Can you just answer my question seen as I answered yours ? This is not my past, my past is FF destroying my country that is my past that is what they have done to my generation, what has SF done to my generation. If we keep dwelling on the past we will get no where only keep going around in circles Of FF FG and labour who have no clue how to stand up to the eu and insist on only inflicting cuts where they will hurt the most, most vulnerable in society!

O’Reilly, as I have said, all parties were born out of violence. Labour, our oldest party, co-founded by James Connolly and incorporates the former Democratic Left which in itself contained elements of Sinn Fein. Fianna Fail and Fine Gael both born out of the war of Independence, one of the most horrendous and bloody wars ever fought on our soil. So that’s the very bloody history sorted, now can we move on and try put the country first?

John, shinners just want people to forget everything. Bringing up the very recent criminal past is an inconvenience. But the reason they cant make any real headway as a party is because most people wont. You say move on. I say own up first…

10% of last election and constantly rising if current polls are any indication at all. So dismissing a possible 19% of the electorate as having no credibility or moral standing is a pretty arrogant stance.

Bowe, were in the middle of the worst crisis the country has ever seen. And they can only manage 18-19%. An election would see that drop considerably. They are not credible on so many fronts…

SF have more credibility than, FG/FF/Labour put together and i wouldn’t vote for them ever!

What’s wrong Patrick, Finna Fail didn’t think of it first?

Patrick. FF thrived on 3 things traditionally.
1 .Doling out state contracts to friends.
2. bob a job parish pump favours, ie tarmac on the road etc for the ordinary party supporter.
3 Legal and Political protection for key donors and business friends who were crooked.

The first 2 are non-runners due to FF not being in power and the 3rd is a problem if they are faced with an impartial Judge on the bench. You bet they are sweating over this.

What was irrelevant or stupid about some of the comments made above?

Always easy to recognise your comments Patrick, anti-republican. You’ve nothing to say about anything else. You’re a broken record Patrick, like so many of the heads-in-the-sand ff and fg supporters here.

Patrick, Sinn Fein/IRA? What drugs are you on? The IRA no longer exist. That’s about as accurate as describing Fine Gael as fascist Blue Shirts. As I said above, Sinn Fein has left the gun behind them. I will not or could not condone violence by anyone but I do understand where it came from. Educate yourself, perhaps speak to residents of somewhere like Ardoyne, a small Catholic enclave, they would have been murdered in their beds were it not for the IRA at the time. As I said, I cannot nor would not condone violence by anyone, but those days are gone, stop living in the past and travel the new journey. The enemies of the people now wear suits and carry laptops.

Not even the DUP use SF/IRA anymore!

Brian, think I’ll start calling them FG/Blueshirts and FF/Plastic Republicans

@ Patrick And that broad sweeping statement really shows ur level of intelligence and revelance to any thread or discussion.

Knob

Now Sean, you’re being overly hopeful there expecting the average Shinner voter to have a brain or for that matter care about anything but the size and frequency of their next state handout

It says a lot more about you and your party (FF) Stephen, that FF would object to common sense approaches likes this, and attack the messengers, rather than address the symptom, like cronyism, job for the boys, back-handers etc… just making an observation that FF have not changed their attitude one bit to he Irish people, even after spending millions on trying to revise their history… They say they have changed their corrupt ways, but come out fighting against anyone who trys to prevent current and future corruption.
Well done FF…… Party of treason, but wont go down without a fight !!!

Stephen a terribly ignorant comment …considering a government obviously out to feather their own nest with perks, salaries and massive pensions…at the expense of the state!!

and maybe Sean should research the amount of input a party has into the economic policies in the 6 counties before using that tired argument?!

Sean is spot on, SF offer nothing but perpetual, populist protest, where in the South they object to the very policies their Northern cells happily implement

Stephen, once more, i ask you … are you challenging the message, or the messenger? If you had come out and said,….

While i dislike SF … i agree with their message …..
then….
I c ouldnt argue with you….

But all your rebuttals are … i dont like the message, so i dont like SF,..;….

So, you thin another 14 years of your party in Government is all that is need to put the country right … or am i missing something from your response?

Your ignorance of how economic policy is made in the UK is astounding. Your use of the word ‘rape’ in this context is just offensive.

its laughable when a party aspires to improve the conditions of this state and they get slapped with the “populist” tag..its popular because people agree with it! and yes it is perpetual ..and consistant..unlike the election time promises that got parties into goverment only to be broken over the backs of the people..and as for economic situation in the north, you obviously dont understand how much say elected parties have when it comes to finance.