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Dublin City Council granted planning permission to the Winthrop co-ownership to change the use of the second, third and fourth floors at 4 and 5 Grafton Street to four apartments. Alamy Stock Photo

Buskers fear for livelihoods as Grafton Street apartments given green light

Street entertainers raised concerns about noise complaints, with one objection saying they had “disproportionately targeted buskers”.

GRAFTON STREET BUSKERS’ fears for their livelihoods in a chorus of disapproval over new apartments for Grafton Street have fallen on deaf ears.

Dublin City Council granted planning permission to the Winthrop co-ownership to change the use of the second, third and fourth floors at 4 and 5 Grafton Street to four apartments, despite fears expressed by Grafton Street buskers and their supporters that the proposal “would lead to the decline of one of the most iconic busking streets in the world”.

Businessman David Goddard, who led the recent buy-out of Davy’s real estate arm, co-owns 4-5 Grafton Street along former Davy boss, Brian McKiernan.

Both Goddard and McKiernan’s Middle Cow Ltd provided letters of consent to the council to allow the Winthrop Co-Ownership lodge the plans.

However, in an objection against the plans, busker, Jacob Koopman told the council that his concern over the residential units for the area “will replicate the issues we have witnessed in Temple Bar, where noise complaints have disproportionately targeted buskers”.

A busker and resident here for the past 12 years, Koopman said: “Despite our relatively low impact compared to pubs and other venues, we have faced restrictions, including the recent ban on amplification, which has drastically reduced opportunities for artists like myself.”

He said: “The unique atmosphere of Grafton Street relies on its lively street performances…Introducing residential units may lead to increased noise complaints and further regulations that threaten the livelihood of buskers and the vibrant street culture that defines this area.”

In another objection, Ryu Uehara Dias told the council: “Turning upper floors into residential units would almost certainly lead to noise complaints and restrictions on busking, which would strip away the unique charm that made me, and so many others, want to call Dublin home.”

He said: “I believe this project could harm what makes Grafton Street so special – its live music and artistic energy. The street music scene, in particular, is what drew me in. It’s more than entertainment; it gives Grafton Street its soul.”

Screenshot (718) An aerial view of 4 and 5 Grafton Street. DCC Planning Portal DCC Planning Portal

Marc Pyssa told the council that the approval of the scheme “would ultimately lead to the erosion of this cultural gem”.

He said: “Noise complaints from new residents will undoubtedly surface, leading to restrictions on buskers’ performances and hours. This in turn would jeopardise the livelihoods of hundreds of street musicians who depend on Grafton Street for income, visibility and artistic expression.”

Pyssa said that this proposal does not align with the wishes of the people of Dublin who take pride in Grafton Street’s rich musical culture.

Francesco Parodi told the council: “As a street performer and musician who has made Ireland my home, this development poses a serious threat to my livelihood and to the vibrant cultural atmosphere of Grafton Street itself.”

Andrew Kavanagh told the council that as a 42-year-old musician, allowing the apartments to proceed “will inevitably result in complaints about street music and that will directly impact my ability to support my family”.

Kavanagh stated that “allowing this development will irreparably harm one of Dublin’s most celebrated cultural landmarks. The people of Dublin, our tourism industry, and the global music community will all feel the negative effects if the proposal proceeds.”

In his objection, Andrew Glover told the council that “as we learned from Temple Bar residents in the past, the charm and culture of our street musicians that millions of tourists are attracted to every years are viewed as an inconvenience to those who choose to live in such a busy city centre environment.”

Planning consultant for Winthrop Co-ownership, John Spain Associates told the council that the proposed development “provides higher densities in proximity to public transport and avoiding further inefficient and unsustainable sprawl whilst helping to meet an identified need for quality residential accommodation”.

The submission states that “the subject site is advantageously located, capable of providing quality apartments within the existing building, adjacent to high quality public transport”.

Dublin City Council granted planning permission after concluding that the development would result in the activation of currently vacant floorspace and also would result in the development of residential accommodation over existing commercial premises which is something that is encouraged and welcomed.

Dublin City Council planner’s report stated that “this is particularly timely in light of the considerable level of vacancy of floor space on the upper floors of commercial premises in the city, which could assist towards alleviating the existing housing pressures within the city”.

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    Mute Ger Byrne
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    Jan 7th 2025, 7:46 PM

    Dublin City needs more residents not buskers. The city is in the doldrums. People living in the city brings life into it when businesses are closed. Busk elsewhere. Shopping centres would be ideal as footfall huge. There are options.

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    Jan 7th 2025, 8:30 PM

    @Basildon Joe: it sure ain’t ‘top of the pops” Joe

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    Jan 7th 2025, 8:34 PM

    @Basildon Joe: that’s just not true. You must never have been.

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    Jan 7th 2025, 8:39 PM

    @Basildon Joe: I notice that account you exposed,brenny awfully quiet??? The second & third divisions getting an ‘airing’?

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    Jan 7th 2025, 9:07 PM

    @Basildon Joe: hopefully he got the help he/it needed…..but Lucifer has many guises

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    Jan 7th 2025, 9:12 PM

    @Ger Byrne: More residents will improve Dublin? WTF. If it does it doesn’t need them in a shopping/tourism district. Shopping centres are enclosed spaces with shops paying extortionate rent, they won’t be any buskers there.

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    Jan 7th 2025, 9:40 PM

    @Ger Byrne: Not to mention boys with hachets and hammers…. Dublin is safe according to Helen.

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    Jan 7th 2025, 10:28 PM

    @Ger Byrne: you’re obviously not familiar with the street if you think Grafton Street is in the doldrums. It’s packed seven days a week and a few apartments will do zero to enhance the premium shopping street, buskers do

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    Jan 8th 2025, 12:13 PM

    @Dave G Doe: =cl0wn

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    Jan 8th 2025, 2:12 PM

    @Ger Byrne: Air BnB is happy with your sentiment.

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    Jan 7th 2025, 8:17 PM

    I’m sure most of us agree that most of the buskers are too loud (probably above the Council-regulated decibel level) and play far to much over-played pop music.
    Personally, I’d prefer no amplification, but I know a minority of performers need it for their pedal loops, which I don’t mind.
    I’m thankful they’re finally starting to fill those upper floors. Very much needed and decades overdue. Well done.

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    Jan 7th 2025, 9:45 PM

    @Garbhán Ó Ruis:
    Firstly, I’ll declare an interest, my daughter busks. Not in Dublin.
    That said I agree with your basic point, the amplification is often overdone, especially in the city centre but with modern insulation standards it shouldn’t be a insurmountable problem.
    The music played is often what sells, probably not to your choice.
    Happened to know a builder who looked into renovating over shops in Dublin city centre about 2 years ago and said the extra cost involved in the location meant he walked away.
    I’m afraid these apartments will be horrendously expensive.

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    Jan 7th 2025, 11:14 PM

    @P. J.: expensive to rent or buy, exactly the reason why they are doing it now

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    Jan 7th 2025, 8:18 PM

    id respect the opinions of buskers once they provide proof of declaring their income and paying the relevant tax to the revenue. but no doubt its just a supplementary income to the dole they already receive.

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    Jan 7th 2025, 9:50 PM

    @Niall English: would you like KPMG to audit and sign off?

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    Jan 7th 2025, 9:54 PM

    @Kevin Kerr: hi stalker, I see you getting any comments deleted that ‘expose’ any of your accounts…..it’s despicable and heinous what you’re doing to this comments board

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    Jan 7th 2025, 10:31 PM

    @Kevin Kerr: Well, as KPMG was declaring the Irish banks to be financially sound up to the day they collapsed, I wouldn’t think their audit to be worth the paper it’s printed on!

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    Jan 7th 2025, 10:37 PM

    @Brian Hunt: I was joking, Brian. But seriously, I very much doubt you’d trust any of them, particularly EY, who were the Anglo auditors, even if nearly 20 years has elapsed since.

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    Jan 8th 2025, 1:01 AM

    @Kevin Kerr: wouldn’t trust any of the big 4, as someone who works in financial services industry and deals with auditors, they’ll sign off anything just to get their audit fee.

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    Jan 8th 2025, 5:14 AM

    @Niall English: Will you show us all your end of year tax accounts? Do you demand it of all businesses or just the people who stand in the cold and provide a bit of entertainment?

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    Jan 7th 2025, 8:24 PM

    I hope the apartments will go to helping Irish people

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    Jan 7th 2025, 8:28 PM

    @Meatball Martin: rules you out of getting one so.

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    Jan 7th 2025, 11:24 PM

    @Ger Whelan: don’t engage with this tur d

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    Jan 8th 2025, 12:38 AM

    @Meatball Martin: Can you please define exactly what an Irish person is? Do they have to have been born in Ireland? Do both their parents also need to have been born here? Are they Irish if they weren’t born here but their parents were? What if only one of their parents were born in Ireland? Will gaining Irish citizenship make them Irish enough for you? Are they Irish if they were born here but their skin is dark?

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    Jan 8th 2025, 8:56 AM

    @Meatball Martin: utterly dense comment

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    Jan 7th 2025, 8:54 PM

    Living there would come with a lot of noise anyway given the footfall especially late at night/early morning at the weekend so I would assume that any residences would be sound proofed properly. As much housing as possible is needed particularly all over the city centre. There should be far more people living there for numerous reasons. But like the airport if you do move that you should know beforehand that busking etc. is a part of grafton street and will go on there.

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    Jan 7th 2025, 9:23 PM

    @John Moore: Would be interesting to find out when it happens how much will be social and affordable….

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    Jan 7th 2025, 9:28 PM

    @Ckeego:
    10% minimum, more if the council buys them

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    Jan 8th 2025, 12:47 AM

    @Ckeego: zero

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    Jan 8th 2025, 7:33 AM

    @P. J.: There will be a deal shtruck, PJ, a deal shtruck for shure…

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    Jan 8th 2025, 9:32 PM

    @Ckeego:
    Developers haven’t been able to get around that provision for years now but then facts don’t suit your agenda, do they.

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    Jan 7th 2025, 8:00 PM

    Yeah I can’t wait to move in… Rent will be circa €8k p/m and I think that one of those buildings is over a stinky Burger King yay!!

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    Jan 8th 2025, 2:19 AM

    @Dave G Doe: You literally just made me yawn… do you really think that anyone with the means to buy or rent over those properties would choose to do so?! Lol

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    Jan 8th 2025, 9:38 PM

    @Donna Fallon:
    To be honest I think you are wrong there Donna, there will be plenty of Dot.com yuppies for them. Corporate buyers/renter’s also an option.
    They will be snapped up.

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    Jan 7th 2025, 9:28 PM

    In theory I have sympathy with the buskers. In practice however, male buskers in particular need to stop only singing Snow Patrol and Coldplay on Grafton Street, you’ve been at it a good 15 years now and it’s time to learn some new songs. Stop it.

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    Jan 7th 2025, 9:40 PM

    @Jacintha Dumbrell: You forgot to use the word “white” before “males” as you usually do during your anti-white rants.

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    Jan 7th 2025, 8:44 PM

    Buskers are annoying people, right up there with vegans, atheists, cyclists and sea swimmers

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    Jan 7th 2025, 9:03 PM

    @Meatball Martin: And your McSmelf

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    Jan 7th 2025, 9:15 PM

    @Meatball Martin: You seem to be confused thinking buskers are freaks and ex-Woodstock attendees from the 60’s.

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    Jan 8th 2025, 11:08 AM

    @Meatball Martin: Brilliant!

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    Jan 7th 2025, 8:00 PM

    The less Allie Sherlock the better!

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    Jan 7th 2025, 9:04 PM

    @John Doe: She is fabulous… jealous much??

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    Jan 7th 2025, 9:10 PM

    @Donna Fallon: she’s a nuisance is what she is. Not jealous of that!

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    Jan 7th 2025, 10:17 PM

    @John Doe: Can’t wait to hear dulcet tones Man

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    Jan 7th 2025, 11:24 PM

    @Donna Fallon: just like her you also sound like an absolute dose

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    Jan 8th 2025, 2:24 AM

    @John Doe: Well you’re easily put out… call the Guards if you think this beautiful, unbelievably talented young Woman is a ‘nuisance’ to you.

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    Jan 8th 2025, 2:28 AM

    @John Doe: I most certainly have one at the moment!! At least I don’t hide behind a pseudonym on this forum. I might wreck your head but at least I’m not afraid to have the courage over my convictions. Get a grip Man.

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    @Donna Fallon: love I checked your fb and if anyone’s hiding it’s you!! Go to bed!!

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    Jan 8th 2025, 4:52 AM

    @John Doe: you’re creepy

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    Jan 7th 2025, 10:55 PM

    Honestly, I can’t say that they will be a big loss. If anything, buskers attract criminality with the money that they are collecting being displayed openly. Many of them are also rude, one even demanded that I give more after a dropped him a two euro coin for his panpipe playing which I happened to like. He reeked of alcohol. Many to have just turned into panhandlers who happen to be musical. They seem to now think it’s acceptable to walk out into the middle of the street and hassle people for some money after they are done playing their tune. Dublin needs more people and modern buildings, so this development is a win/win. They’ll also boost local businesses when they move in by purchasing products from their stores, hopefully bringing a bit of livelihood back into the streets.

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    Jan 8th 2025, 12:03 AM

    @Frank O’Hara: If they hassle you, simply tell them to F##k off!

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    Jan 8th 2025, 12:15 AM

    @Brian Hunt: The problem is that they don’t take that answer straight away. Even after I’ve told them that, the ones that are just playing a hand instrument tend to follow you for 50 metres and get aggressive because they’re not leaving anything behind at their busking spot to watch that someone could snatch. They literally just pick up their money bag and walk into the middle of the street and start hassling people. It’s really getting on my nerves lately. I can’t walk 2 minutes down Henry Street, O’Connell Street or Jervis Street without being hassled for money. As I said, a lot of buskers have basically turned into panhandlers who happen to be musical.

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    Jan 8th 2025, 5:36 AM

    @Frank O’Hara: absolute BS

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    Jan 7th 2025, 9:23 PM

    Annoying people on the street is not a lively hood

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    Jan 8th 2025, 7:32 AM

    More apartments, less buskers. Sounds like a win. Buskers are way too amplified even tho there was a ban? Also, a lot of them play the same same same songs over and over. I would loose my mind living there.

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    Jan 8th 2025, 7:02 AM

    Buskers or housing? I know what I’d choose. If the buskers were any good, they’d have no issue picking up a couple of pub gigs a week to generate an income but it’s obvious, they’re not worth paying

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    Jan 7th 2025, 9:21 PM

    Just wondering out loud here, but is the recent decision regarding soup kitchens and helping those sleeping rough in the area just coincidental timing? A report that contained nothing but “problems” with volunteer groups helping those in need and put forward absolutely zero solutions. Hang your heads in shame…

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    Jan 8th 2025, 12:55 AM

    @Ckeego: nothing like that is coincidental, it’s all part of FFGs plan to sell off taxpayer owned assets to their vulture fund cronies. An Post are pulling out of the GPO and that’s where a lot of the soup kitchens operate, it’s much easier to sell off a building it there’s no soup kitchens outside it.

    RULE 1: Always follow the money trail to see who benefits.

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    Jan 8th 2025, 5:41 AM

    @Harry Power: the GPO is t being sold off, it’s staying in public ownership. Stop with the stupid conspiracies

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    Jan 7th 2025, 9:24 PM

    Aren’t all the lively hoods in Crumlin & Drimnagh?

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    Jan 7th 2025, 10:18 PM

    @Sergio Reddan: What’s your problem with Dublin 12 Sergio??

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    Jan 7th 2025, 11:26 PM

    @Donna Fallon: Donna why you picking fights with everyone on here?

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    Jan 8th 2025, 2:20 AM

    @John Doe: Yup that’s me!! Anonymous Man

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    Jan 8th 2025, 2:21 AM

    @Dave G Doe: Eh my name is Donna not Karen… F you and your fake profile

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    Jan 8th 2025, 3:19 AM

    @Donna Fallon: ok Karen calm down pet

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    Jan 8th 2025, 5:28 AM

    The buskers can buy the apartments…problem solved!

    You’re welcome!

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    Jan 8th 2025, 10:25 AM

    The main thing that needs to be done about buskers on Grafton St is to ban amps. Dublin City Council foolishly chose not to do this a few years ago. Lets please hear buskers at normal volume from now on.

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    Jan 7th 2025, 11:15 PM

    Apartments everywhere now

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    Jan 7th 2025, 11:27 PM

    @5aeex4zc: so like, every capitol city in the world?

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    Jan 8th 2025, 5:57 AM

    @John Doe: not on the premium shopping streets

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    Jan 9th 2025, 11:13 AM

    @JoeJoe Kilbride: eh …yes..on the premium shopping streets. Ever been to Holland ?

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    Jan 7th 2025, 9:07 PM

    If I was a sculptor, heh
    But then again, no

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    Jan 8th 2025, 7:27 AM

    Hay buskers get a job

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    Jan 8th 2025, 10:45 AM

    Nonsense. We lived in a city in Germany with a bustling ‘Altstadt’, the old town was mixed commercial with residential units upstairs. Buskers, Flamenco music, singing and clapping from the Spanish taverna next door, crowds of happy drunk and singing people were part of the atmosphere.
    If you don’t like it, don’t move there.
    Simple.

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    Jan 8th 2025, 10:39 AM

    I worked of grafton street for a few years and imo all buskers should be banned. Lol. Listening to the same tune over and over again all day is torture.

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    Jan 8th 2025, 8:12 AM

    Killing the goose.
    No surprise there.
    Apartments so vulture funds can make more money.

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    Jan 8th 2025, 9:44 PM

    @Fergus O’Donnell:
    And some rich yuppie gets a place to live, so he’s not competing with you or me for something else

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    Jan 8th 2025, 8:08 AM

    What about 46 Marlborough Street on northside – another aparthotel…

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    Jan 8th 2025, 8:15 AM

    Absolute Kip.

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    Jan 8th 2025, 12:31 PM

    I’ve heard them being referred collectively as the boring buskers of Dublin. Maybe get rid of amplified noise and electronic effects . Back to basics where you can either entertain ….or not ,without amplification

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