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Answer Qs, survive the punches: that's how political scandals were handled. Until now it seems.

Is accountability slipping, the Tánaiste was asked this week.

NIALL COLLINS AND the controversy over council land being sold to his wife dominated the political landscape this week. 

But perhaps the bigger issue in Leinster House was the departure from the precedent of having ministers embroiled in controversy coming before the Dáil to answer questions. 

It is not rare for controversies or scandals to surround politicians.

Generally, they are handled like this: something big hits the headlines, statements are made, the opposition calls for clarity and eventually, the minister in question is prepped within an inch of their life and walks into the Dáil chamber to face the music. 

This has been the case for Justice Minister Helen McEntee in relation to judicial appointments, Taoiseach Leo Varadkar (when he was Tánaiste) over the GP contract debacle and also Public Expenditure Minister Paschal Donohoe more recently regarding his election posters.

No politician likes to be put on the spot and be faced down by the opposition’s questions, but it is the most straightforward way of getting it all out on the table and moving on. 

But despite their regularlity, Dáil question-and-answer sessions were likened to a “kangaroo court” this week. It was Taoiseach Leo Varadkar who made that particular comparison. 

And then there was Micheál Martin’s intervention. Both signal a significant shift in political strategy. 

As RTÉ correspondent Micheál Lehane put it on the recent Your Politics podcast, the government’s stance has always been that you get a minister through a political controversy by them going into the chamber and answering questions.

“If they survive that, if they survive those punches, they have survived that controversy,” Lehane explains, but adds that Micheál Martin argues it should be different if the scandal was orchestrated purposefully as he argues is the case here. 

Martin strongly criticised the The Ditch website under Dáil privilege on Thursday, which originally published the information about the land sale.

The Tánaiste questioned whether it was an independent platform, as well as its financing. He also claimed the publication, which is a member of the Press Council of Ireland, had orchestrated an attack on a member of the House.

He urged the Dáil not to slavishly follow, what he believes, is The Ditch’s agenda. 

The context of these words is, of course, that without The Ditch’s reporting, Robert Troy and Damien English would still be ministers. And in fact, the NUJ has hit out at the Tánaiste’s intervention

So what do those in Leinster House think of such a departure in accountability? 

Social Democrats leader Holly Cairns was one of the first to raise concerns, asking the Tánaiste if accountability and transparency is slipping.

In Leaders’ Questions on Thursday, ahead of the Dáil statement by Collins, Cairns honed in on the differential treatment being shown, particularly within Fianna Fáil. 

“When the Tánaiste sacked Deputy Cowen as Minister for Agriculture, Food and the Marine he said it was because Deputy [Barry] Cowen was not prepared to make any further statement or answer questions on the issue in this House.

“The Tánaiste clearly thought it was appropriate for Deputy Cowen to take questions on the matter in this Chamber,” she said, questioning why the case of Niall Collins should be any different.

In July 2020, Fianna Fáil TD Barry Cowen was sacked from his role as Minister for Agriculture following the controversy surrounding his drink-driving ban in 2016. 

Cowen disputed the accuracy of a Garda report, which alleged he performed – or attempted to perform – a U-turn after approaching a Garda checkpoint where he tested over the drink-driving limit.

In 2022, a Garda Siochana Ombudsman Commission report found Cowen did not seek to avoid a Garda checkpoint in 2016. 

However, at the time, members of the House called on Cowen to answer questions in the Dáil about the allegation. 

Cowen had apologised for the drink-driving ban incident but took the decision not to partake in a Dáil Q&A until investigations by the Data Protection Commission and GSOC had concluded.

Martin has long defended his decision to remove Cowen from Cabinet, explaining that his logic centred on the minister’s failure to make himself available to the Dáil.

In fact, in his statement after the removal of Cowen, Martin said that on seeing the initial Garda report, there were additional issues which required further explanation and clarification. 

“This decision has created a situation where legitimate doubts and additional questions are being raised, and Government colleagues are expected to address these. This is simply untenable,” Martin explained.

“It is my view that Minister Cowen had an obligation to come before the House. It is also my view that this issue is damaging to the ongoing work of Government,” he said. 

One could argue that Collins having to make a second Dáil statement is also a  distraction. Are both men not obligated to answer questions and why should one be sacked for refusing to do so, while the other is defended? 

Two ministers. Two similar situations. One big contradiction.  

“On the button” is how one Fianna Fáil TD described Cairns contribution in the Dáil to The Journal, adding they 100% agreed with her sentiment in terms of differing treatment being shown. 

When Cowen said he wanted to wait until the matter was adjudicated by GSOC, he was sacked, they added. 

So why has Martin changed his stance? Why are they now so scared of Q&A sessions?

One TD said the government “set the bar too high for everybody and they can’t climb it”. They argued that there is now a realisation from those within government that the attitude of the opposition is to “create a smell and its enough”. 

There is a belief among some government deputies that the aim of Q&A sessions is not to provide clarity and answers, but to add more confusion, leading to death by a thousand cuts.

PastedImage-39889 Social Democrats leader Holly Cairns TD. Oireachtas.ie Oireachtas.ie

When Cairns stood up in the Dáil this week, she spoke clearly: “The Taoiseach previously agreed to take questions on a controversy he was embroiled in and so did the Minister without Portfolio, Deputy McEntee. The Minister for Public Expenditure, National Development Plan Delivery and Reform, Deputy Donohoe, has recently done the same.

“However, now when the Minister of State, Deputy Collins, is due to address the Dáil about a controversy for the second time in two months, the Taoiseach tells us facilitating questions from the Opposition would be akin to ‘a kangaroo court’,” she said. 

The government narrative is “there is nothing to see here”, she said.

But if the matter is so straightforward, why refuse the opposition the opportunity to question the Minister of State? 

She added: “It’s the job of opposition to hold Ministers and Ministers of State to account. The opposition has a really important role to play in our democracy by doing so.

Why is there one rule for the Minister of State, Deputy Collins, and another for other members of the Tánaiste’s Government and his party?

“Does the Tánaiste agree with the Taoiseach that question and answer sessions turn the Dáil into a kangaroo court?”

The definition of a kangaroo court is an unofficial court held by a group of people in order to try someone, especially without good evidence, as guilty of a crime or misdemeanour.

Judge and jury

Inconsistencies and double standards do no service to the public – particularly at a time when trust in politicians seems to be at an all-time low. 

Honesty is what the public demand from their public representatives – both from government and politicians when it comes to dealing with issues of the past. 

Dáil Q&As have served the public well in the past in terms of getting to the bottom of a story – such sessions are there to serve the public, to ensure all is out in the open before moving on. 

If close-ended statements are the go-to for this government going forward, they shouldn’t be surprised if people deliver a similar short and sharp verdict in the next poll. 

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    Apr 29th 2023, 6:51 AM

    The double standards of the leadership of FFFG are outrageous, they are both happy to engage in mudslinging in the Dail, if it is hoped it might stick on somebody else and to use it as a privileged kangaroo court when it suits them..

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    Apr 29th 2023, 7:56 AM

    Martin has stated the Ditch has made politics toxic. Perhaps it’s the fact 2 government ministers have had to resign after stories appeared in the Ditch…and which the mainstream media completely ignored. Martin seems to have no problem with the Irish Independent, Irish Times, Irish Examiner or RTE..of course they have been mouthpieces for FFG ..Think the toxic politics Martin is on about stems from the scandal after scandal of the present government.. FFG are fast enough to hold the opposition to account and rightly so if justified, but Martin and Varadkar now seen to think the old days are back and they are unaccountable. That’s why FFG have made politics Toxic.

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    Apr 29th 2023, 6:58 AM

    FF amd FG will never have what they had for decades again. Before they merged, they took turns at the top table and never delivered. When they merged they have made things progressively worse. They can never go back to their old ways which will benefit the state if the opposition can deliver when they form the next government. If they don’t deliver, then there really isn’t any hope for the country.

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    Apr 29th 2023, 8:20 AM

    But land from council for 148,000 let it sit there for 15 years then sell it back to the council for over 2,000,000 Politicians are the greatest speculators off all

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    Apr 29th 2023, 7:24 AM

    There’s isn’t a politician in this country that I can safely say” I trust”. They have proved time and time again that they cannot be trusted. And when they arrive at my door I tell them that.

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    Apr 29th 2023, 8:03 AM

    @Fuji Hakayito: Absolutely spot on.

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    Apr 29th 2023, 9:17 AM

    So long as Martin is around we can be sure the old FF and their self-serving ways has not gone away.

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    Apr 29th 2023, 9:29 AM

    There are few honest politicians. Most, if they are privey to inside information, will use this for their personal benefit by getting a relative or good friend to step in. That’s why successive governments have not given SIPO the powers they want. The new government needs to give SIPO teeth.

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    Apr 29th 2023, 8:07 AM

    Mehole taking a leaf out of trumps playbook , so pathetic he couldn’t even come up with his own lie

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    Apr 29th 2023, 7:10 AM

    Having lived in a few countries and seen all manner of political chicanery, it’s good that this Collins fiasco is what constitutes the pinnacle of controversy. We live in a good country.

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    Apr 29th 2023, 7:19 AM

    @honey badger: it’s so good Biden has completely forgotten he was there for 3 days just over a week ago

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    Apr 29th 2023, 8:30 AM

    @honey badger: I have to agree. It’s interesting in all these comments we seem to forget that it was our parents & grandparents who used their democratic right to vote – everyone seems to be suggesting there were no elections.
    But be careful what you wish for everyone!

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    Apr 29th 2023, 8:20 AM

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