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LAST UPDATE | 7 Jan
A NEW GOVERNMENT should be in place by the end of January, Taoiseach Simon Harris has said.
However, getting a government up and running by 22 January – when the Dáil is set to resume – is increasingly being seen as unrealistic among sources in both Fianna Fáil and Fine Gael.
Government formation talks resumed yesterday after the Christmas break and while there has been much talk about accelerating negotiations, it is now being viewed as “fanciful” that a government will be in place by the above date.
A number of sources have told The Journal that it could take an additional week or two to get final agreement on all sides.
If that is the case, sources say it is more likely a date in the week of 27 January, just a few days before the St Brigid’s Day bank holiday, is more likely to be met.
Speaking to reporters in Kildare today, Taoiseach Simon Harris said he expects a government to be in place “in the month of January”.
“I think we’re in the landing zone of being able to deliver a new government, definitely in the month of January. I hope and expect on the 22nd of January, that’s what everybody is working in good faith towards,” he said.
The Taoiseach said forming a government before the 22 January is “a little bit tight” but added:
“People can work hard, work later, work longer – we’re doing that, and work through the weekend.”
The Fine Gael leader said forming a government within eight weeks of the election is “not an extraordinary length of time” when the Christmas break is taken into consideration.
Asked if Fine Gael would enter into government without a return to the rotating Taoiseach arrangement, Harris said:
“There will be a rotating Taoiseach in the next government and I think that’s been very clear probably since the day or two after the election.”
He said the arrangement had worked well in the previous government.
Certain key areas of the programme of government are understood to have been largely agreed between the two parties, although talks on disability, justice and climate continue.
Harris said he is in regular contact with the Fianna Fáil leader Micheál Martin, sometimes engaging several times a day.
The Dáil is set to return on the 22 January and a nomination for Taoiseach is due to be put forward, but sources from both parties have dampened expectations of that date being met.
All parties have to be willing to meet that deadline, they said, which might prove more difficult when it comes to the Independent Regional group, due to the varying constituency demands which are expected to be made.
Some sources state that a “few strops” are expected to be thrown by those in the Independent groups so as to show they “fought the good fight” to their constituents before entering into government with the larger parties.
Talks with the Independents are due to resume this week and likely to go on into next week and possibly that weekend. The group said in a statement yesterday evening that it awaits a formal invitation to enter into talks this week.
Harris confirmed today that the negotiating teams plan to meet with members of Independent Ireland this week.
The ambition is to have a draft programme for government drawn up between Fianna Fáil and Fine Gael for next week.
Speaking on the Anton Savage show on Newstalk on Sunday, Fianna Fáil TD James Browne said it will be “very challenging” to have a new government in place on 22 January.
While he said a programme for government could be agreed by that date, he said the “sheer volume” of work needed to agree the programme by Fianna Fáil and Fine Gael, before moving onto negotiations with Independent TDs and organising the ratification of any agreement by the two larger parties, could take some time.
A final agreed deal will have to be approved by a special Fianna Fáil Ard Fheis.
While this can be held in person, there is speculation that it could take place online, as happened during the pandemic. It is understood members’ votes will be posted or emailed.
Meanwhile, Fine Gael members could approve the deal through a series of votes at regional meetings, it is believed.
The process could therefore follow the model used to elect a party leader, whereby a number of regional events were held, allowing members to discuss the matter and hold regional voting.
The ratification procedure for a programme for government was debated at the Fine Gael Ard Fheis earlier this year and the party agreed there would be a special conference held on one day and in one location or over multiple days and at different locations.
Fine Gael rules state that the programme for government shall be approved through an Electoral College system of voting which breaks down as follows:
Various presentations are set to be made by party negotiating teams this week, covering a range of areas. Climate and transport were discussed yesterday.
Fianna Fáil and Fine Gael are now adamant that the output on transport investment will need to increase, with a special focus on expediting road projects.
Labour bowed out of talks prior to Christmas and it is expected the Social Democrats will do so shortly.
The Social Democrats parliamentary members met today to discuss the next steps for the party.
In a statement, the party said its negotiation team reported on the policy discussions that have taken place with both parties, stating there was a clear focus on their five deal breakers and the need for transformative reform in housing, healthcare, disability services, climate and childcare.
“While the discussions were constructive, it is clear that major policy differences exist between the Social Democrats and the other parties on these key issues.
“It is also clear that the direction of travel, in government formation talks, is very firmly towards a deal with Independent TDs.
Having said that, the Social Democrats remain open to further engagement – but, as we have consistently maintained, that engagement must be predicated on our deal breakers,” said the statement.
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This is all theatre
@Carl Valderrama: they really are taking the piss
@Dominic Leleu: Too lazy to fo that, and besides they are on their normal protracted holidays!!
@Carl Valderrama: why did they even bother having an election
@DJ Points: What a ridiculous question. We live in a democracy. We have elections. Would you rather live in a dictatorship like North Korea. The next government will be formed from those we voted for and were then duly elected, and who then can agree on a programme for government.
@DJ Points: it wasn’t a real election it was only a pretend election to give the impression of democracy, nothing changed.
As Noam Chomsky says “The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum”. That is what we saw in GE24, lots of pretend debate but most of it was just brainwashing propaganda of how things will worse under SF and Mehole and the tea-boy denying everything.
One would need to be able to tell plenty of lied while keeping a straight face and also be able to let water run off your back like a duck to qualify as a member of this fairly corrupt adminstration.
@Willie Marty:” lies”
@Willie Marty: And yet they were all elected 5 weeks ago….there’s very little that can done to change that fact. However there’s plenty that we can do to hold them to book on the issues. We are old enough being taught Civics in school and part of being a citizen is to take part ….in this case telling your local TD how you feel about policy and what you would like, if 100000 of us regularly wrote the message would be seen….1m would be better but this is Ireland.
@Paul O’Mahoney: looking at the angelic faces of the three amigos above one would need a special set of skills which could only be acquired over a proctracted period of time.
@Paul O’Mahoney: they have completely ignored us for the last 10 years and we told them that’s fine and asked them to continue ignoring us for the next 5 years and they said that’s fine. They have every right as re-elected ministers to do what they have been doing because as a country we voted for that and we all have to respect the will of the electorate. The only people I am angry with are the ones that didn’t bother to vote attall. That’s were the real issue with our system lies.
@Paul O’Mahoney: the reality is people are disillusioned with a political system in which their is no viable alternative as they are all singing off the EU hymn sheet, hence we got little over 50% turnout in which FF/FG got 40 % . They can be as smug as they like but the reality is they got 20% of the entire electorate, hardly a ringing endorsement, politics in Ireland is a non event, no real opposition for years and the same b.s excuses to raise taxes year in year out and a selling out of our sovereignty bit by bit every time these two trouts get elected
@Paul O’Mahoney: Why send and email when you can cone on here and complain and vent!
Hilarious part of it all is that the Civil Servants are the ones that run the place for the politicians, and they run rings around them..
Think “Yes Minister and “Yes Prime Minister” It is rare a minister will take on a Gen Sec of a department.
@Michael McGrath: That is the same everywhere.
If people don’t vote, they cannot complain.
If people feel that strongly about things, they can get involved in fighting to get them done properly.
Anybody can stand for election or join a party!
The Circus returns to town, overloaded with
Even the kool aid drinking, multiple accounts on here, loyal members of the FFG scientology cult must be getting sick of this smoke and mirrors stuff from the two cabbages in the pic. The country has a health service emergency with hosptials at breaking point and tweedle dee and tweedle do dee here and their ilk have been literally on holidays since the election with nobody running the place
@Patrick Newell: The Government is still operating even the Health Minister is still Health Minister despite losing his seat as are all the Greens…….
@Paul O’Mahoney: so do you propose a government shut down the second and election is called and the Dail is dissolved? Having the sitting government in place is prudent.
@Anthony Curran: Huh, I think you misunderstood my post.
@Patrick Newell: The place is being run by the same people as it was before. That will not change until the government do.
Simple civics!
These People are like Muppets, time limits should be set to form a Government, if not, go back to the Electorate, sit down, get the deals done, and form a Government. They must be the most overpaid Group of Spoilt Childish Lazy Louts, who do little in a short working Week. They all claim it’s an Honour to be a TD and serve the Public, well if it is, get on with it, instead of fooling us, and jockeying around for personal gain to see what Ministerial Position or Committee Heads they can divide out among themselves.
@Owen Mc: democracy is a nightmare
@Meatball Martin: A weakness in free elections is that when an unelected Media supports and promotes populist parties. Fortunately the Irish people are wise to the use of democracy to destroy democracy. It might be boring for leftists agitators but the future is stable prosperity and dealing with issues in a civilised manner.
@Owen Mc: How long do you work in an average week.
I know politicians from across the Dail and they do a six day 60 hour week as normal. Just because you don’t see them in the Dail or Seanad, does not mean they are in the bar.
Is there a Convicted Criminal involved in forming new government?
@Tony O’Toole: no, no Shinner
Not a shinner in sight what a glorious sight
@Trump24: plenty of gob shites like yourself in sight unfortunately
@Trump24: Wow so thats all ye have lett now, no government forned in 2 months and the answer is ah sure its not the shinners?
You lot are running out of excuses already
@Patrick Newell: Still true though, the last Government took 4/5 months to create, countries all over Europe don’t have new governments as coalitions will need to be formed……we are not unique in this.
@Paul O’Mahoney: shinners living rent free in your heads is not a good thing……id say go see a doctor but well the health service is on the verge of collapse so ya no rush on getting a government formed sure
@damien leen: lol bitterness
@Patrick Newell: Not living in my head they were defeated by the electorate again, that’s a dubious 3 in a row. Hyperbole much? The health system has never operated properly and you think that a new government is going to fix it ?
Perhaps it you who needs to see a doctor, probably a phycologist as you’re clearly disillusional….
@Trump24: can’t wait to hear you excuse in 6 months time, when boss baby and mehole make a balls of everything again.
@Shimo F: Wow such elegance in your response.
Even the dogs in the street know the composition of the next government. It’s just dealing with the egos of the wannabe Ministers, Super Junior Ministers and Junior Ministers. Most of these are superfluous positions and a waste of the taxpayers money. The government should realise that they have an intelligent population now. Not the semi educated population from the early 20th century.
@Ollie Fitzpatrick: Educated population? Have you read the comments on here? You would not find a more gullible group. Today it’s “We hate the Greens”. Yesterday it’s “Vote Sinn Fein” or “vote Independent”. So easy to lead down any path
@Ollie Fitzpatrick: I am intelligence. I ate blue crayon for my breakfast
@Ollie Fitzpatrick: Not at all the Minister for Disabilities is a Junior Minister and she is anything but a waste of money. There is a solid argument it should be a full ministry. The multiple naming of ministry’s is hilarious. They do that to keep various lobby groups happy.
Disability is a lot different, we are 22% of the community, the largest minority in the country!
Crisis Minister’s needed in
HOUSING
HEALTH
JUSTICE
DISABILITIES
Michael Healy Rae would make a very good Minister for Rural Affairs.
@Godfrey Ryan: and brother Danny as minister for the enviornment.
@Godfrey Ryan: I’m sure he and his family’s interests would benefit greatly from that sort of appointment!!!
@Godfrey Ryan: is that your hide behind name Michael???
@Godfrey Ryan: Michael Lowry for justice minister, we would never see a tribunal taking place in this country again…..and white collar teachings added to the leaving and junior cert
@another one? what’s going on is the semi state sec: FF gimp
Mr. BEAN pray, Martin hold his smile! Third one has no clue what happens
2025 will be better than 2024, i can’t wait to hang on their every true word ,and to be in, absolute awe of their leadership. Ireland should be proud to be in the presence of Greatness. I’m so excited…..
For me Micheál should be Taoiseach for the entire term of the next coalition.
@Argus Romsworth: As a reward for being on the team who brought the IMF to our shores?
@David Corrigan: Let it go David, it’s ancient history now, and we can’t change it . Far more important to hold them to book for the next 5 years and you are well able to articulate in that respect.
We need to get all that tax money working for all the people, that’s my starting point and we have a new TD in my constituency and I’ve sent him 4 emails already one on a local issue and 3 on what I expect from him and the government.
@Paul O’Mahoney: hang on the FFG mob bring up all the time why the shinners should never be allowed in power cos of their past……but if its brought up that FF with Martin at the table literally took this country to the brink of economic collapse…….the response from the likes of yourself is, its history we need to move on. I am a tad confused at this what smells like hypocrisy
@Patrick Newell: for me a Fianna Fáil led coalition with Sinn Fein would best serve the country
@Argus Romsworth: absolutely, we need my party and Sinn Fein to join up, to show the world what a joke Ireland really is
@Argus Romsworth: yes, I agree
@David Corrigan: oh go away, external factors, everyone has moved on now, it’s time to pull yourself together and grow up
@Patrick Newell: Frankly I really don’t care what you smell, and you are free to live as you wish, but it’s a fact that the past can’t be changed. Living in it changes nothing. There are some still fighting the civil war over a100 years later, we really need to grow up get solving the problems and working on the future, not this pointless pointing to stuff that can’t be changed.
@Paul O’Mahoney: Hillarious to see you calling for people to ” let it go, it’s ancient history “. You’d do well to practise what you preach Paul.. Your own penchant for living in the past is well documented on here and I find it quite hypocritical of you to call on people to do what you yourself won’t.
@Brian: I use use my experience in life to add to my views are you saying that I should stop and just be like you and the others and post glib antidotes where it’s the narrative of the uneducated and always angry. If you think for one minute your opinion of me matters little to me or my life or what I’ve achieved or will achieve in what time I have left.
Perhaps Brian, you should grow up a bit and debate the issues rather than the childish ad homien , must be hard for you to live consumed with envy.
@Paul O’Mahoney: You contradict yourself on so many levels Paul. You seem to be under the impression that you are the only person on here that is “educated” .. I, unlike you, am not in the business of prefacing my comment/opinion with my qualifications and achievements in life.. I’ve no doubt I’m eminently more qualified than you and I’ve also no doubt I’ve been more successful in ife than you. Why on earth would I be envious of you..? The only one consumed with hate, as you’ve already professed on here before, is you Paul. If you don’t like people calling you out on your rank hypocrisy, I suggest you stop commenting..
@Brian: Keep up the the claptrap Brian I have a ability to see understand and comment in my way , if this doesn’t meet your ” expectations ” mute me . I laid out my reasons for a lot of things in long words and meaningful ones….but you still are a bully…..and Brian I’ll always be better than you , financially, morally, and successfully….and we come from the same place…… get some cream for that envy …..and you might just ” calm it” …..as you’re a loser in life and you just need to grow up a tad…..and if you persue this lll persue this ..
@Paul O’Mahoney: Paul, the very first time I saw you comment on here, you wished somebody you were conversing with that they die screaming in agony. Thats the kind of person you are. You’re a bitter individual. You can carry on with your Hyacinth Bucket levels of delusional grandeur all you like. I’ll call put your BS all day long if I like.. You’ll just have to deal with it.. As for your success ? You remind me of that joke about the woman from Rochestown, whose son got into trouble swimming, “somebody help, my son the solicitor is drowning” .. lol. Paul your a gowl.. really successful people don’t need to keep bragging about how successful they are.. I see you for exactly what you are.. I know your type only too well. I’ve bought and sold enough of ye.. Jog on lad..
@Brian: Oh Brian I don’t have to apologise to you for anything. You have a problem with me….and I don’t even know you , all you are is a bully , you have decided to finger me , and my finger back to you is my middle one…
You’re truly not a man , you’re a little pity that rather than be able to debate something just decides to belittle. You and your ilk are the problem in this country..
Next time you get out of your cave , go to Mahon point and understand that RCI were the first Company to set up there, and then they realised that the entire area was viable….I was part of that, and now one can walk from Mahon to Rochestown too.
I’m not bitter, I’m as happy as the day is long knowing that you find me offensive…I really hope you grow up but I doubt you can.
@Brian: Hilarious has only one L…..please at least spell correctly….
@Paul O’Mahoney: That will never happen as it is easier to hold the grudge and resentment.
That is the Irish method of political choice, since the beginning of the state!
@Paul O’Mahoney: Part of what exactly?? Are you seriously trying to suggest that with the arrival of RCI, that it was then ” they ” realised the ” entire area was viable ” ? The CSO was on site a few years before that and the whole area was part of the IDA’s strategic development plan. You’re even more delusional that I thought.. Get over yourself .. JD Rockefeller you ain’t.. more like Walter Mitty.
When ffg know the cowardly irish electorate will keep returning them to power they take piss over and over again with no consequences
@Robert Halvey: yeah true but only because it’s the “I voted for his father, he fixed the road” silly Irish mentality. We don’t think about the bigger picture only local things. But fair play to the electorate we don’t seem to care about the amount of money being squandered by ff/fg it’s all good sure better then than Sinn Fein apparently
@Wayne O Hara: It has worked in Kerry and Tipp for years!
Ah yes, we must put the interests of the country first, after we divvy out the mercs and perks that is!
Why did we all vote in the first place!!!! We could have saved some money, locked them all in the Dail for a week and see what party emerged.
@Mags G: You want to forgo your constitutional rights? Wow.
These comments were never great but at times they were mildly entertaining. Now they’re just gone to the dogs. If there are more than 10 comments on an article now, it’s just the same accounts spouting the same points, ad nauseum.
@Ronan Mc: Radio current affairs programmes are the same. Anti Trump egos interviewing anti Trump yappers. Zzzzzzz
@Ronan Mc: multiple accounts ran by the same bots all replying to each other gone to the dogs surely
@Ronan Mc: oh no, I wonder how that happened….
I was just wondering to myself why don’t they organise an event where all the people in the country can go to certain locations where you can tick a box for the person you think is best to represent you and then add them all up and leave it at that?
@John Sleator: bit more to it all I know but it does drag on a bit.
Another 5 years in opposition for the pathetic Sinn Fein lol
@Usual Troll: Why yet another profile?
@Brendan O’Brien: well just mute him
@Brendan O’Brien:
Says the guy that’s here posting shite 24/7…
@Brendan O’Brien: I’d say eating a bag of Tayto and coming on here, is like a dinner party, for a loser like you lol
@Meatball Martin: Meatball and Loser… ohh somebody spent a few months in the America!
@biggybald: yeah..in jail
@Brendan O’Brien: I’m sure he/she keeps having accounts banned and just keeps creating new ones. Sad really.
They dragging it out don’t to go back to work if what they do is called work
@Pauline Cahill: What’s your definition of a coward? There was a free and democratic election held and people voted in private.
@Vincent Alexander: There should be a time limit on formation of a government once results are known. They took the piss the last time as well, when the dogs in the street knew the parties that were going to form the government. Too many departments crumbling and no government in position, and ya, we deserve what we get with the clowns that are constantly voted in. You’d have to question the intelligence of the electorate at this stage.
@James Reardon: I’d be more inclined to question the intelligence of some of the commentators here. Where compromise is required it takes time. Better taking time now and have stable government for 4 – 5 years.
@Vincent Alexander: it wasn’t stable last time though was it? scandal after scandal after scandal threatened to bring the gov down. It’s as bad as that lot over in Westminster, but you often see resignations there over class A fcuk ups, our lot have necks like a jockeys bollix and never show any accountability.
@James Reardon: It was as stable as any democratic government. Autocratic governments may be more stable but are generally less beneficial to the general population. Scandals and crisis that were blown out of all proportion
@Pauline Cahill: They are still working, at least the ministers are and the parties are in discussions as to plan for the next Dail.
@James Reardon: The government are still in position until the new one is voted in!
Stop their wages and they would be quick to get going !!! Your paid to work not sit around as you already have had enough breaks, while the country is in chaos
@Bren: They are paid a salary not a wage
@Bren: So what do you think all the ministers etc are doing. Sitting in the Dail Bar o e tear!. They are still working, while the TDs are still working on the their party’s plans for the next Dail. While others are in discussions over the make up over the next government!
Completely lost interest in Irish politics. Self serving nest builders. Healy Ray’s as one example .Houses of the Oireachtas another. Retirement home for failed ministers . Lowery. Martin. Harris. Children’s hospital. Paschal’s bike shed. Etc etc . Is anyone else in the same frame of mind or is it just January blues.
@Michael Andrews: Did you vote?
@Michael Andrews: all part of FFGs cunning stunts to make people disintrested in politics so the sheep who support FFG can keep them in power… sorry… keep them in the mercs and the perks.
Reminds me of the DUP and SF, Joined at the hip with too many years in power and they’ve been so long in power that they don’t even realise the consequences of their decisions on the ordinary people of Ireland who are struggling to survive financially.
@Tommy: Oh, never realised that they ruled over ‘Ireland’ and not just the north of the island. The level of political knowledge summed up in one comment.
No shinners, good
More of the same and no critical thinking on anything.
I suggest they be sent to Kanturk and get a good lecture from the locals and get on with what’s expected of you.
@Tim Brennan: Can’t it’s snowed in…
Take another 3 week break so lads be grand.
@Pork Hunt: The broke for Christmas and knowing various politicians, they were still working all across Christmas.
Talk about taking the urine ! These are experts at it !
People stranded in their homes with no electricity and these wast3rs cant even form a government
@Mike B: But most here think it’s only a few centimeters of snow
Crisis, what crisis?
Reading the comments here, it is obvious that Civics needs to be taught in schools again. Linked to History and Economics.
The amount of people who do not know how government works not even local government.
Then there are the people that do not know left from right politically.
Like calling people lefty fascists!
It shows that as educated a country as we have become. In so many ways. Politics is one that a lot of people need to be educated in.
Ah, poor souls are wrecked after the Xmas break. Give them a chance
So they’ve had holibops since November and nobody noticed
Why are comments closed on the suspension of fact checking by X (Facebook) and the slimey Zuckerberg sidling up to Trump ? Is everything on social media now to be a deregulated free for all?
Well it all depends on who the healy raes and Michael lowery will decide who our future government will be, its always great to have friends in low places micheal and Simon as you sell out the electorate
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Your data can be used to monitor for and prevent unusual and possibly fraudulent activity (for example, regarding advertising, ad clicks by bots), and ensure systems and processes work properly and securely. It can also be used to correct any problems you, the publisher or the advertiser may encounter in the delivery of content and ads and in your interaction with them.
Certain information (like an IP address or device capabilities) is used to ensure the technical compatibility of the content or advertising, and to facilitate the transmission of the content or ad to your device.
Information about your activity on this service may be matched and combined with other information relating to you and originating from various sources (for instance your activity on a separate online service, your use of a loyalty card in-store, or your answers to a survey), in support of the purposes explained in this notice.
In support of the purposes explained in this notice, your device might be considered as likely linked to other devices that belong to you or your household (for instance because you are logged in to the same service on both your phone and your computer, or because you may use the same Internet connection on both devices).
Your device might be distinguished from other devices based on information it automatically sends when accessing the Internet (for instance, the IP address of your Internet connection or the type of browser you are using) in support of the purposes exposed in this notice.
The choices you make regarding the purposes and entities listed in this notice are saved and made available to those entities in the form of digital signals (such as a string of characters). This is necessary in order to enable both this service and those entities to respect such choices.
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