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Protesters outside Kensington town hall in west London, the headquarters of the Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea, Yui Mok

Angry protesters storm town hall shouting 'We want justice' over London tower block fire

Theresa May faced cries of “coward” and “shame on you” when she went to a local church today.

Updated 10.45pm.

ANGRY PROTESTERS STORMED local authority headquarters this evening demanding justice as the death toll from the London tower block fire reached 30, with dozens more unaccounted for.

They shouted “Killers” and “We want justice”, accusing the authorities of ignoring the plight of the victims of the Grenfell Tower block blaze.

Firefighters continued the search for human remains in the burnt-out shell of the 24-storey Grenfell Tower, as anger grew over the use of cladding blamed for spreading the flames. Sky News is reporting that up to 70 people are dead.

Residents had long complained about fire safety risks at Grenfell Tower, but said the concerns of the multi-ethnic, largely working-class inhabitants had been brushed off by local authorities.

“It was a death trap and they knew it,” one person shouted as demonstrators swelled outside the Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea council offices, with dozens going inside and clashing with police and security guards.

Tower block fire in London Protesters try to enter Kensington town hall in west London Yui Mok Yui Mok

“I have friends in the tower and they are not telling us anything,” said Salwa Buamani, 25, who came with her three-year-old niece on her shoulders.

May faces angry crowd

Prime Minister Theresa May had come under criticism for not meeting residents when she visited the site yesterday to talk with emergency service chiefs.

She faced cries of “coward” and “shame on you” as she returned today to meet survivors, residents and volunteers at a local church.

Dozens of police officers had to hold back angry crowds and break up scuffles as her car drove off afterwards.

Tower block fire in London Prime Minister Theresa May leaves St Clement's Church in west London, which has provided shelter and support for people affected by the fire at Grenfell Tower. David Mirzoeff David Mirzoeff

She also met with injured survivors in hospital and announced a £5 million (€5.7 million) fund for emergency supplies, food and clothing.

Everyone affected by this tragedy needs reassurance that the government is there for them at this terrible time – and that is what I am determined to provide.

Earlier police announced that the number of confirmed deaths had risen from 17.

“We know that at least 30 people have died as a result of this fire… I do believe the number will increase,” police commander Stuart Cundy told reporters in front of the charred high-rise.

Cundy said police had started a criminal investigation but there was nothing to suggest “that the fire had been started deliberately”.

He also said the last flames had finally been extinguished, two days after the fire broke out early Wednesday in a working-class enclave of the wealthy Kensington district.

More than 70 people are unaccounted for, according to media reports, although it was not known whether some of those were among the bodies recovered so far.

Britain London Fire A woman touches a missing poster for 12-year-old Jessica Urbano on a tribute wall after laying flowers on the side of Latymer Community Church next to the fire-gutted Grenfell Tower Matt Dunham Matt Dunham

Police have warned some of the victims may never be identified due to the state of the remains.

Cundy said one of the victims was a person who died in hospital. Twenty-four injured survivors are still being treated, 12 of them in critical care.

Firefighters were using drones and sniffer dogs to search the building, saying some of the upper floors are still inaccessible to humans due to concerns about the stability of the structure.

Queen visits survivors

The area surrounding the council-owned tower has been plastered by desperate relatives with pictures of the missing, from grandparents to young children. Large numbers of volunteers are assisting survivors.

Queen Elizabeth II and her grandson Prince William visited a community centre where some of the survivors are being housed.

Tower block fire in London Queen Elizabeth II meets members of the community affected by the fire at Grenfell Tower in west London during a visit to the Westway Sports Centre which is providing temporary shelter for those who have been made homeless in the disaster. Dominic Lipinski Dominic Lipinski

The government has ordered a judge-led inquiry into the disaster, which is under pressure to act quickly, as anger grows among local residents about allegations that fire safety concerns were ignored for years.

“Something’s gone drastically wrong,” Communities and Local Government Minister Sajid Javid told BBC radio.

Javid said inspections of similar buildings had been ordered, with particular attention to the modern cladding used to beautify and add insulation to ageing concrete and steel structures.

Syrian refugee victim

The fire forced residents to flee through black smoke down the single stairwell, jump out of windows or even drop their children from the building.

One of the victims was named as Mohammed Alhajali, a 23-year-old Syrian refugee, who came to Britain in 2014 with his brother.  The Syrian Solidarity Campaign said in a statement:

Mohammed undertook a dangerous journey to flee war and death in Syria, only to meet it here in the UK.

Alhajali was a civil engineering student at West London University.

“His dream was to be able to go back home one day and rebuild Syria,” the campaign group said.

A second victim named Friday was Khadija Saye, a 24-year-old photographer who had exhibited at the Venice Biennale.

Questions over cladding

Questions are growing about how the flames spread so quickly, engulfing the tower’s 120 apartments.

The focus is on the cladding fitted to external walls of the 1974 tower as part of an £8.7 million (€9.9 million) refit completed last year.

Tower block fire in London Rick Findler Rick Findler

The cladding had a plastic core and was similar to that used by high-rise buildings in France, the United Arab Emirates and Australia which had also suffered fires that spread.

The Times newspaper reported that the company that manufactured the cladding also made fire-resistant models that cost fractionally more than the standard version.

Questions have also been raised over why there was no sprinkler system in the tower which could have helped stop the fire spreading, or any central smoke alarm system that would have woken sleeping residents.

- © AFP, 2017

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    Mute Simeon
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    Jun 16th 2017, 5:14 PM

    They are right to be angry but I hope nobody give the Tory media an excuse to change the narrative. Keep it disciplined and peaceful.

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    Jun 16th 2017, 5:34 PM

    @Simeon: Why is the Queen not subject to the bedroom tax? Surely the biggest Queen and Doyale family being the biggest welfare receivers by a huge margins have a room or two to spare for the tower victims. Is Kensington Palace near by too?

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    Mute Shawn O'Ceallaghan
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    Jun 16th 2017, 5:59 PM

    @Simeon: insurance for the rebuild?

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    Mute Awkward Seal
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    Jun 16th 2017, 6:29 PM

    How is it the Tory’s fault?

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    Mute Tony Daly
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    Jun 16th 2017, 7:03 PM

    @Simeon: let righteous anger be expressed or else it will not be listened to.

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    Jun 16th 2017, 8:09 PM

    @Simeon: interestingly enough it was built while labour were in Power.

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    Jun 16th 2017, 8:22 PM

    @Shawn O’Ceallaghan: when was the thal fire hazardous cladding done ?

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    Jun 16th 2017, 9:23 PM

    @Simeon: The Mail and The Express have done it in tomorrow’s papers. Why am not supposed, toe rag press.

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    Mute Byyys
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    Jun 16th 2017, 9:50 PM

    With Health & Safety so important these days. i am surprised someone signed off the building, be it the council/fire safety inspectors. Read some where none of the rooms had fire sprinklers? Any building over 2/3 floors especially with mutable apartments should have fire doors, sprinklers. fire hoses on every floor. emergency exists. fire extinguishers/blankets.. etc.

    A fire inspector can walk into any building at any time and shut it down if it deems it unsafe. In my option the building should not of signed off as safe, someone decided to use the cheapest cladding to safe costs, So yes they are right to be mad!!

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    Jun 16th 2017, 10:01 PM

    @abcyz: you’re big on the over dramatics ..

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    Jun 16th 2017, 10:19 PM

    @Tony Daly: you can get your voice heard without without like a lout . It is way too soon to be demanding answers . Yes they rightly deserve those answers but it’s not going to happen overnight. Investigations and an enquiry takes time . If it’s rushed then errors can happen .

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    Jun 16th 2017, 10:23 PM

    @Suzie Sunshine: it is never too soon to demand answers or to seek accountability.

    To be accused of being a lout by you is the ultimate compliment. I thank you for it.

    But it is not about me or you. It about the principle and value of human life and human value.

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    Jun 16th 2017, 11:05 PM

    @Tony Daly: I was not referring to you as being a lout . I do not do name calling .of course it’s too soon for answers . The fire department are still in the building !

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    Jun 16th 2017, 11:15 PM

    @abcyz: the queen pays taxes and does not receive benefits, they pay taxes on royal estates income and receive an allowance back

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    Jun 16th 2017, 11:30 PM

    @Finn Bowe: What’s with you and all the apologetic Royalist ere? The Queen and her family get privileged life equating to millions every year including servants to wipe their arse. Do they ever have to worry about being homeless with their welfare palaces given to them & the anti social housing crowd can’t see the iriony.

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    Jun 16th 2017, 11:46 PM

    @Ossi Fritsche: The Tory loving press not worth as using toilet roll. Most of our papers if not all are the same trash press.

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    Jun 16th 2017, 11:53 PM

    @abcyz: I am anything but a royalist, and I am well aware of their privileged life. But in saying all that they do pay taxes and are a net asset to the economy.

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    Jun 16th 2017, 11:57 PM

    @Simeon: all of which was preventable. See this 25 min documentary, explains the lack of compartmentation. It begins in the 80′s and continues up to present day. Well worth the watch.

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    Jun 16th 2017, 11:58 PM

    @Finn Bowe: Everything is provided for them to live in absolute luxury with no one to be accountable to so we are literally the kings Queens,prince and princesses of welfare. Society has the cheek to demonise the poorest and cut them off with proven unjust cruel sanctions. 95% of appeals where upheld as they where proven to be unfairly samctioned.

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    Jun 17th 2017, 12:01 AM

    @abcyz: who was it of yours that got caught with the whole welfare fraud thing? You go on about it a fair bit so I assume it touched your life in some way. Wasn’t yourself was it?

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    Jun 17th 2017, 12:16 AM

    @Cicero: Your Royal heros have drained the tit of society for centuries. I or no one I know have ever done a crime in our honest lives. We pay taxes and get no services for it and pay bin charges and regressive car taxes thanks to the Greens and levies on electricity bills thanks to the Green society riders again along with their carbon taxes.
    It’s impossible to commit fraud with Joan Burtons dictator style identity cards & face recognition cameras.The few people I know who claimed jobseekers where put thru the mill every week by DSP so how can anyone do nothing on the dole when they have to attend courses run by private(FG buds)companies who get paid for repeat attendance even if the person has job interview cos they cut instantly with the authoritian rules which ur Royal friends bypass.

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    Jun 17th 2017, 12:22 AM

    @abcyz: They are kings and Queens of welfare oh with princes and princesses who get millions of privilege of welfare every year & then don’t want to be accountable to the press by hiding Harrys Naked gambling carry on and endless riding of women he gets with the premise that he make them a princess while shoving money with pics of his granny into their knickers

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    Jun 17th 2017, 12:29 AM

    @abcyz: I’m delighted you don’t commit crime and do pay tax – you say it as if I would be disappointed about it!
    As for the royals… they’re nothing to do with me and I don’t know any of them. I am a happy Irish republican living in Ireland so dunno where you get the idea I care what they do.

    I do like it when harry gets some though – i would go for a beer with him

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    Jun 17th 2017, 12:34 AM

    @Cicero: Wouldn’t you rather ordinary citizens getting some rather than Harry abuse his privileged position? If not you are a Royalist as you already say u like Harry

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    Jun 17th 2017, 12:36 AM

    @abcyz: Happy Irish Republican is a oxymoron in FG’s & especially Leo’s Ireland

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    Jun 18th 2017, 1:09 AM

    @Simeon: because people where “discplined and peaceful” the authorities ignored them and over 50 died.
    Londoners are right to express their anger and disgust

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    Jun 18th 2017, 1:12 AM

    @Suzie Sunshine: bull, the ruling class only understand violence
    Attitudes like yours allow powerful people to make bad decisions

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    Jun 16th 2017, 5:20 PM

    “London has a chronic housing shortage even in the best of times, and people fear being forced out of the city”
    The Tory government policy is to force ordinary people out of London city by making it unaffordable to anyone except their corporate mates. Similar to the initiatives being undertaken by Fine Tory in Dublin.
    This land is not your land.

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    Jun 16th 2017, 5:23 PM

    @Tommy Browne: did Labour have the same policy from 1997 to 2010 then? Are you suggesting the fire was deliberate to remove people from London?

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    Jun 16th 2017, 5:30 PM

    @Paul Fahey: Government is responsible to manage property prices to assure healthy and sustainable development. Having prices just going up like crazy is not good management:
    http://www.newstatesman.com/sites/default/files/images/Ed%20Graph%203.jpg

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    Jun 16th 2017, 5:34 PM

    @Paul Fahey:
    No, I did not suggest that Paul. Strong similarities between London and Dublin currently with the dearth of social housing and lack of political will to change the situation. In London the Tory government are trying to force social housing associations to charge market rates based on similar private rental properties.

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    Jun 16th 2017, 5:44 PM

    @Tommy Browne: and yet the current Tory government have built far more social and affordable housing than Labour did from 1997 to 2010, which kind of ruins your argument.

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    Jun 16th 2017, 5:50 PM

    @Paul Fahey: wake up. Tory policy is always to make rich richer and less accountable. The poor will always be the least in their minds. Teresa May was forced to visit casualties in hospital today. She did not do the right thing and be with the people after the tragedy. Corbyn was there. He cares.

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    Jun 16th 2017, 5:51 PM

    @cortisola: government response is to let the markets decide.

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    Jun 16th 2017, 5:57 PM

    @Paul Fahey:
    Tony Blair was prime minister from 1997 – 2007 when Labour abandoned their socialist principles in favour of capitalism.
    A redundant comparison.

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    Jun 16th 2017, 6:13 PM

    @Tommy Browne: sorry, but how is redundant? Were they not elected by the labour vote and supported by the Parliamentary Party? Many of who are still members of the PLP? Did labour vote against his proposals? Did Gordon Brown from 2007 change course and build hundreds of thousands of state housing? It is actually your argument that is redundant, clearly.

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    Jun 16th 2017, 6:16 PM

    @Paul Coughlan: but yet you can’t argue against the fact that the Conservative party built far more state and affordable housing than Labour in recent governments. Perhaps you could use stats and facts to forward your argument, rather than Corbyn went to visit casualties, he cares nonsense. I do like facts.

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    Jun 16th 2017, 6:31 PM

    @Paul Fahey:
    According to Tory government’s own official figures, there were 1,612,000 council houses in 2016 compared with 1,820,000 in 2015 – a drop of 208,000.
    And more importantly – homelessness has doubled since 2010.

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    Jun 16th 2017, 6:32 PM

    @Tommy Browne: that’s just the free market. You should have no expectation that you should live in an area by the simple virtue that you grew up there. You have to earn your way in the world. That’s what’s wrong with Dublin; there are literally slums in prime areas of the city and they bring the whole place down.

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    Mute Tony Daly
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    Jun 16th 2017, 7:26 PM

    Politics, Tory or Labour, is the art of suppressing the will of the people whilst trending to serve it.

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    Jun 16th 2017, 7:26 PM

    Pretending to serve it.

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    Jun 16th 2017, 7:49 PM

    @Paul Fahey: and yet the tories agenda has led to cutbacks in repairs that led to cladding which has resulted in deaths so horrific many won’t be named or found as they melted into the debris.

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    Jun 16th 2017, 8:05 PM

    @Paul Coughlan: But they first rig the market in favour of the developers of big landlords.

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    Jun 16th 2017, 8:08 PM

    @Awkward Seal: There is no such thing as a “free market” especially when it comes to houses and housing.
    You’ll do a lot of earning your way in the world with zero hour contracts or minimum wage contracts.
    Nearly 25% of those in employment earn no more than 20,000 a year, what chance do they have in a rigged neoliberal “market”.

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    Jun 16th 2017, 9:16 PM

    @Tommy Browne:
    The ‘lost’ council houses weren’t just demolished you know – they were sold to tenants at subsidised prices under the right to buy scheme. Isn’t that a good thing??

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    Jun 16th 2017, 9:25 PM

    @Tommy Browne: OH FFS it was the same under Labour and the Tories/Labour have no control over the rising house prices in the capital . If people who live in coucil low rent homes are forced out of London is down to the local councils . Do you live in London then ???

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    Jun 16th 2017, 11:06 PM

    @Avina Laaf:
    No. Social housing stock should not be used as a market commodity. Tenancy for life is the model I prefer.

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    Jun 17th 2017, 12:13 AM

    @Tommy Browne: but the tenants were the ones that bought them…
    besides – with the rental model all that happens is the kids move back in to look after the parent and they claim the house then. Would you be ok with kicking out the kids (whom are presumably fully grown adults at that stage and therefore not owed a living or a home by other people)

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    Jun 17th 2017, 2:31 AM

    @Tommy Browne: I’m a labour voter and live in Lambeth, South London. Our labour council has sold off/ is selling off social housing (look up Cressingham Gardens in Tulse Hill) with the backing of our labour MP Chuka Umunna. It’s endemic greed.

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    Jun 17th 2017, 5:31 AM

    @Tommy Browne:
    But it’s not used as a market commodity when it’s sold to less-well-off tenants at below-market prices subsidised by the taxpayer. It also exposes your argument (that successive governments are deliberately trying to drive the poor out of the city by making it unaffordable) for what it is.

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    Jun 17th 2017, 5:40 AM

    Fun fact:
    Margaret Thatcher built an average of 41,343 council houses per annum while in office. Labour’s average between 1997 and 2010 was 562.

    https://fullfact.org/economy/who-built-more-council-houses-margaret-thatcher-or-new-labour/

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    Jun 16th 2017, 5:18 PM

    Council offices look very plush !
    I also expect they have sprinklers

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    Jun 16th 2017, 7:03 PM

    @Dotty Dolitte: safety is paramount.

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    Jun 16th 2017, 7:16 PM

    @Tony Daly: unless your poor

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    Jun 16th 2017, 7:24 PM

    @Brian Kelleher: I wish that what you said was not true. It is true.

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    Jun 16th 2017, 8:03 PM

    @Dotty Dolitte: A local Tory councilor tried to blame the residents on no sprinkler system being fitted.

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    Jun 16th 2017, 8:15 PM

    @Dave Doyle: there are so many instances of that happening.

    Remember Liverpool?

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    Jun 16th 2017, 10:22 PM

    @Brian Kelleher: oh come on ..to say that they didn’t put sprinklers in because poor people would be living in them is just ridiculous. .

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    Jun 16th 2017, 10:25 PM

    @Suzie Sunshine: truth is oft accused of being ridiculous.

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    Jun 16th 2017, 10:49 PM

    @Tony Daly: it is not truth at all. .. it’s a ridiculous statement

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    Jun 16th 2017, 10:56 PM

    @Suzie Sunshine: money came before human lives. The building could have been rendered safe. Instead it was a death trap.

    The cladding was the cheapest plastic composite based cladding. It cost more than 50 lives.

    Imagine the terror, the anguish, the despair and the hopelessness as the victims waited for the flames to burn them to death.

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    Jun 16th 2017, 11:30 PM

    @Tony Daly: I’m well aware of what they must have gone through . I’ve witnessed it and lost friends in a fire one of whom was a child .. and as angry as everyone was at the time, we knew we had to wait for answers ..

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    Jun 17th 2017, 12:06 AM

    @Suzie Sunshine: but it sounds like something someone famous once said.
    I’m sure at some point someone will think of that one line from Orwell and will be posting it while wistfully looking out the window as they type.

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    Jun 17th 2017, 12:08 AM

    @Tony Daly: I’m not sure of the difference between “despair” and “anguish” in this context…

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    Jun 18th 2017, 1:13 AM

    @Suzie Sunshine: em evidence would show otherwise

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    Jun 16th 2017, 5:48 PM

    People had been complaining about the lack of fire protection in the building long before this fire , and what was the councils solution , strap flamable materials to the exterior to make the place look better from a distance .
    Damn right I’d be angry if I had lost someone .

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    Jun 16th 2017, 6:35 PM

    @Ken Hayden: and you would be wholly justified.

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    Jun 16th 2017, 10:18 PM

    @Ken Hayden: totally agree.

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    Jun 16th 2017, 5:15 PM

    They could wait and let the dust settle before starting a riot

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    Jun 16th 2017, 5:17 PM

    @Shawn O’Ceallaghan:

    You can understand the anger all the same

    This situation requires the most considered approach by all sides or it could seriously escalate

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    Jun 16th 2017, 5:27 PM

    @Shawn O’Ceallaghan: Surely this is our Irish way to solve problem – wait till all forget and things settle down…

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    Jun 16th 2017, 5:30 PM

    The risks that the poorest citizens in the wealthiest city in the world have to live in. Literally a death trap they are forced to live in while biggest welfare takers by an extreme margin, live in luxury in nearby palaces.
    Why is the Queen and all the royals not subject to the bedroom tax, surely they have a bedroom or two more than they need? How many tower victims will the literal Queen of welfare take in?

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    Jun 16th 2017, 5:47 PM

    @abcyz: The Queen is NOT in receipt of welfare you numpty! Her estates raise over £250million to the exchequer and she is then given £55million to run the various households etc.

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    Jun 16th 2017, 5:51 PM

    Are u serious? Free palaces, gold and top private privileged education not welfare? Are you nuts?

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    Jun 16th 2017, 5:57 PM

    @abcyz: No.
    But you are ignorant

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    Jun 16th 2017, 6:04 PM

    @Shawn O’Ceallaghan: What riot? Didnt see one. Did you? Do you think because they are from a less well off area they are gonna cause trouble? Is that your assumption? They are well within their rights to protest. Pipe down.

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    Jun 16th 2017, 6:15 PM

    @Gavin Mckenna: exactly! To be honest I’m surprised how they aren’t going absolutely crazy!

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    Jun 16th 2017, 7:28 PM

    The expression of anger often has its own legitimacy.

    Over 50 people were killed in horrendous circumstances by vested interests.

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    Jun 16th 2017, 10:00 PM

    @Gavin Mckenna: exactly. And it’s highly possible some old Irish immigrants lived in greenfell too.

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    Jun 16th 2017, 10:24 PM

    @Gavin Mckenna: well dancing on top of a car would start a riot going ..

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    Jun 16th 2017, 10:27 PM

    @Suzie Sunshine: anger prefaces remedial action and reminds those in power of their obligations. There were too many warnings on Grenfell not listened to.

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    Jun 16th 2017, 11:08 PM

    @Shawn O’Ceallaghan: you reckon pal. You ever have a family member burned alive!

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    Jun 17th 2017, 12:50 PM

    @Shawn O’Ceallaghan: would you wait and let the dust settle if it were your family or friends who died in the blaze that could have been prevented?
    I certainly wouldn’t! I’d demand answers straight away!
    The Irish way of letting things settle first and then silently brushing things under the carpet piece by piece does not appeal to everybody!

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    Jun 16th 2017, 6:28 PM

    Wow. Pity they don’t show the same passion for the victims of terrorist attacks.

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    Jun 16th 2017, 6:52 PM

    @Awkward Seal: thought that meself

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    Jun 16th 2017, 7:06 PM

    @Kev Barnes: righteous anger will find its expression.

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    Jun 16th 2017, 7:31 PM

    @Awkward Seal: it is one thing to be attacked by foreign terrorists.

    It is another thing to be betrayed by our own.

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    Jun 16th 2017, 9:39 PM

    @Tony Daly: a life if a life. And some would argue that we are being betrayed by our own as they’re failing to protect us from a known threat. Terrorism is apparently something we have to get used to and is expected in a big city. Imagine they said that about this fire!

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    Jun 16th 2017, 10:28 PM

    @Awkward Seal: fire is a real threat. It is a known threat. It is a more widespread threat. It is a threat and a risk which can someasily controlled and mitigated against.

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    Jun 17th 2017, 9:51 AM

    @Awkward Seal: pity who didn’t share the same compassion ?

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    Jun 16th 2017, 5:40 PM

    Make politicians fear again.
    Nothing wrong with that.

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    Jun 16th 2017, 6:33 PM

    @Wodanaz von Mises: except it’s against the law. Fear for their seats maybe, not their safety. Especially when they have zero responsibility for what happened or at least you haven’t shown they do

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    Jun 16th 2017, 7:09 PM

    @Awkward Seal: With great power comes great responsibility.
    Not just their seats, but fear for their freedom and in some cases their lives as well.

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    Jun 16th 2017, 8:16 PM

    @Wodanaz von Mises: a valid point.

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    Jun 16th 2017, 9:42 PM

    @Tony Daly: It’s not a valid point. We’re civilised people who don’t resort to mob violence. There hasn’t even been an investigation yet and I think there’s enough pressure from the public to ensure anyone who cut corners will be held accountable. You’re just playing politics with this issue.

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    Jun 16th 2017, 10:30 PM

    @Awkward Seal: power needs to be reminded of the interests of the people when it remains deaf for too long. We owe a duty to those who died not to let this ever happen again.

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    Jun 16th 2017, 11:07 PM

    @Wodanaz von Mises: That sounds like an excellent plan to ensure that good people apply to be political leaders, and not megalomaniacs convinced of their own genius. Well done.

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    Jun 17th 2017, 12:14 AM

    @Tony Daly: didn’t they just have an election?
    As in a couple of days ago??
    That’s hardly out of touch now is it?

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    Jun 16th 2017, 5:19 PM

    2011 riots part two

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    Jun 17th 2017, 12:55 PM

    @TheIrishInfidel: Numbers dont stack up. 27 floors. 4 apts per floor. 4 bed apts so say approx 600 people. So at least 250 people missing? Will they wait till it collapses and cover it up? Lot of these apts are sub let to poor immigrants etc so difficult to know who was in there as these people move on as others take their place.

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    Jun 16th 2017, 6:50 PM

    I think the local residents might know more about the situation than the gob daw Irish tories commenting here. The market, the market.. banging on like some modern day trevelyn..

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    Jun 16th 2017, 6:56 PM

    @gordon kennedy: sometimes anger is a legitimate response.

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    Jun 16th 2017, 7:49 PM

    @Tony Daly: not in this instance.

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    Jun 16th 2017, 7:54 PM

    @Jane Alford: especially so in this instance where profit and advantage came before human life and human safety.

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    Jun 16th 2017, 8:11 PM

    @gordon kennedy: Nail on the head, good comment.

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    Jun 16th 2017, 10:29 PM

    @Tony Daly: is more human lives and human safety going to be at risk if there’s riots ?

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    Jun 16th 2017, 10:33 PM

    @Suzie Sunshine: no. Riots are not the solution. But the anger of the people is the only way of reminding those in political power whose interests they are supposed properly to serve.

    Think about it. Imagine waiting to be burnt to death.

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    Jun 17th 2017, 12:56 PM

    @Jane Alford: so you wouldn’t be angry if your family or friends were burned alive due to sheer greed and negligence?
    That would make you either a saint or a sociopath. Take your pick, Mother Theresa or “Dexter”.

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    Jun 16th 2017, 6:00 PM

    ‘No justice.No peace’ ,thats what the mobs were shouting when they destroyed Los Angeles after the aquittal of the four police officers for the beating of Rodney King.For days on end that was the war cry of the murderers,muggers,looters as they turned LA into a warzone.As horrific the tower inferno was it’s worrying to hear that threat being used in London.

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    Jun 16th 2017, 7:30 PM

    @mark kenny: if the legitimate interests of the people were to be truly listened to, there would be no room for anger.

    Anger is a legitimate consequence and production of malfeasance.

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    Jun 16th 2017, 10:27 PM

    @Tony Daly: anger solves nothing ..

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    Jun 16th 2017, 10:31 PM

    @Suzie Sunshine: anger is a motivation for effective action. It prefaces real remedial measures.

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    Jun 16th 2017, 10:44 PM

    @Suzie Sunshine: give it a rest will ye!

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    Jun 16th 2017, 10:50 PM

    @Kalon Dillon: you give it a rest !

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    Jun 16th 2017, 10:58 PM

    @Suzie Sunshine: you have a pattern of always defending vested interests and privilege.

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    Jun 16th 2017, 11:12 PM

    Unless it was a member of your family

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    Jun 17th 2017, 12:16 AM

    @Tony Daly: who am I defending ? Common sense will tell you that you can’t get overnight ..

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    Jun 17th 2017, 10:13 AM

    @Suzie Sunshine: it can be achieved if there is a will. The will exists once politicians are rendered fearful of the consequences of inaction. You are part of the smug complacency which allows such tragedies.

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    Jun 18th 2017, 1:17 AM

    @Suzie Sunshine: so peaceful protest would have stopped the Nazi’s
    Sweeping statements are usually ill thought out and pointless

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    Jun 16th 2017, 6:53 PM

    Anger unexpressed is anger suppressed.

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    Jun 16th 2017, 7:50 PM

    @Tony Daly: Yes, but it’s just mob mentality. Solves nothing.

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    Jun 16th 2017, 8:05 PM

    @Jane Alford: it can set the conditions for real impetus to effective reform. Human life is important and valuable. If people are not exercised by this, they are indifferent and apathetic. What happened was unacceptable.

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    Jun 16th 2017, 9:32 PM

    @Tony Daly:

    So what do you suggest?Every thug in London to jump on these poor peoples misery and bring London to its knees by rioting?

    And torch and loot legitimate businesses like what happened in LA?

    6O innocent people lost their lives in the LA Riots.Hundreds of hard working people had their business burned out.Rampant looting and general mob rule brought the city to its knees at a cost of billions.

    What happened to Rodney King was a disgrace but even Rodney himself faced the cameras and told the rioters to stop.

    Why would you encourage the same in London?Before justice can take its course?Hopefully whoever is culpable for the inferno is properly punished but it will take time.I understand the people who have lost loved ones are seething right now but give justicexa chance.Justice blatantly broke down in LA and the city suffered as a result.Justice hasn’t had the chance to be served yet in this instance.

    Violence and rioting and crippling your own city is not the answer.

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    Jun 16th 2017, 9:51 PM

    @Jane Alford: give it a rest people where burnt alive how do you expect people to react over this avoidable tragedy.

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    Jun 16th 2017, 9:54 PM

    @mark kenny: you give it a rest too. Comparing it to riots in L.A just because there black people.
    They have a right to be angry and it’s the families of the victims that are upsett not looters.

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    Jun 16th 2017, 9:54 PM

    @Tony Daly: what does showing anger achieve though ?

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    Jun 16th 2017, 10:00 PM

    @Kalon Dillon: just because they’re black people ? Ridiculous comment!

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    Jun 16th 2017, 10:35 PM

    @Suzie Sunshine: the people were not listened to when they were compliant and obedient. They will only listened to when their anger is openly demonstrated and expressed.

    Imagine waiting to be burnt to death.

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    Jun 16th 2017, 10:45 PM

    @Tony Daly: what did you do in your apartment block when people were having bbq’s on the balconies ? How can the people expect answers straightaway? It’s impossible to do without an investigation first ..

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    Jun 16th 2017, 11:01 PM

    @Suzie Sunshine: there were no balconies in Grenfell. You seek to distract.

    Remedial action is required. Start by removing all dangerous plastic composite cladding,

    Install sprinklers.

    Provide 2 fire blankets and 2 fire extinguishers for each flat.

    Get the experts in and imo.ement all of their recommendation.

    Ensure that this never, ever happens again.

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    Jun 16th 2017, 11:24 PM

    @Tony Daly: I know there wasn’t but you know that’s not the point I was making . I agree with the rest of your comment regarding safety but regarding this article and demanding answers .. it’s way too soon . They’ve got to give them the time to investigate it ..

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    Jun 16th 2017, 11:37 PM

    @Suzie Sunshine: what happened was obvious. Start fixing the known fire dangers. This must nit be allowed ever happen again.

    The warnings were evident 8 years ago but still the fire hazard was created a year ago.

    Obvious, glaringly obvious risks, need to be addressed.

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    Jun 17th 2017, 12:21 AM

    @Tony Daly: just a small point of order Tony …

    You haven’t asked Suzie to imagine being burnt to death in about 5 comments in a row now. You might want to throw it in there to keep the tempo

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    Jun 16th 2017, 9:28 PM

    Mob rule wont get these people anywhere . There is a police investigation ungoing and they cant wrap it up in a couple of days . It will be years before anyone is held to account and then they will most likely be scape goated .

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    Jun 16th 2017, 10:55 PM

    @Robert Preston: that type of comment is why this is has happened in the first place i.e basically let it take time to trickle out the deceased numbers so we won’t have any trouble.

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    Jun 17th 2017, 12:02 PM

    @Kalon Dillon: Take your tin foil hat off . The police and LFB are doing there best to identify the bodies it takes time . Smashing up the council building wont help anyone .

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    Jun 17th 2017, 1:03 PM

    @Robert Preston: I’m sure you would be as calm and composed if it were your family burnt alive in the tower!
    Your blind and completely unjustified trust in the authorities is quite amusing but sad at the same time.

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    Jun 16th 2017, 7:14 PM

    Over 100 feared dead. 30 is a low estimate.

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    Jun 16th 2017, 7:20 PM

    @Max J. Schwartz: Yes , I fear the death toll will be in the triple figures . So many questions to be answered .

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    Jun 16th 2017, 7:33 PM

    @Ken Hayden: you may be right, more likely right than wrong, but I want the number to be low.

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    Jun 16th 2017, 7:49 PM

    @Tony Daly: 70 missing, so unlikely, and I do hope so.

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    Jun 16th 2017, 7:57 PM

    @Jane Alford: I accept that. Change will come from real anger.

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    Jun 16th 2017, 7:57 PM

    @Max J. Schwartz: 30 is the number accounted for. It’s not an estimate!

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    Jun 17th 2017, 1:05 AM

    @Max J. Schwartz: The death toll could be well over 300. 100 is a lowball estimate. The fact they havent even released figures on the number unaccounted for tells a tale

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    Jun 16th 2017, 11:35 PM

    All the conditions for mass protest are in place. Political opportunists are making names for themselves as activists, disaffected cockney yuff are ready to rise up in a sweltering london summer, if may lasts till fall i’ll be shocked.

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    Jun 16th 2017, 5:54 PM

    Housing numbers in recent years are massively skewed by housing associations making hay off deregulation.

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    Jun 16th 2017, 11:00 PM

    Similar fires in Australia, France and the Middle East. Amazing, the London no shit attitude might actually improve fire safety globally.

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    Jun 16th 2017, 6:54 PM

    That is a profound statement but not permissible.

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    Jun 16th 2017, 11:28 PM

    We should relax and wait until the next avoidable tragedy.

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    Jun 16th 2017, 11:46 PM

    @Tony Daly: youre the only one saying that Tony ..

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    Jun 16th 2017, 11:54 PM

    @Suzie Sunshine: the wealthy never encounter such mass and horrendous tragedies.

    We will behave ourselves, follow your advice and wait for inaction.

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    Jun 16th 2017, 9:48 PM

    Going to be riots over this. Austerity kills.

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    Jun 16th 2017, 10:36 PM

    @Kalon Dillon: yes. Austerity does kill. It has killed. It has killed many.

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    Jun 16th 2017, 9:32 PM

    Surprised that the usual racist comments are not posted here yet about the victims of the this terrible tragedy.

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    Jun 16th 2017, 10:36 PM

    @Michael Ryan: the worst comments have been deleted, properly so,

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    Jun 17th 2017, 8:33 AM

    @Awkward Seal: People have sense, they know that is exactly what the terrorists want. Also, who exactly do you expect people reacting to a terrorist attack to direct their anger towards? The perpetrators are dead, their families and communities not culpable . In the wake of the recent terrorist attacks, the people saw the police act quickly to arrest suspects and those connected to the murders. These people, with dead friends and family, have been promised an enquiry by Tories. Not usually arsed responding to comments but I sense you are not even a troll, I think there might be something else wrong with you.

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    Jun 17th 2017, 9:58 AM

    An interim solution to this problem would be to build fire proof external stairs to all the high rise flats with access from each floor…..no excuses…..just stairs.,

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