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THE THORNY QUESTION of where to put the town of Swords accounts for around half of all submissions sent to the Constituency Commission, ahead of its decisions on how to redraw Ireland’s electoral boundaries.
Of the 533 submissions published so far by the Commission – which stopped accepting public submissions on the proposed boundary changes on Tuesday – 238 deal specifically with the question of which constituency Swords should be put into.
Another 27 submissions address the matter of Swords – which was moved into Dublin West for the last election, divorced from its historical home of Dublin North – as part of other comments about reassigning territory between the two constituencies.
A large chunk of the submissions on Swords are the result of a petition organised by the local branch of Fianna Fáil – who point out that 280 voters are currently assigned to vote in polling stations three miles away, instead of the one across the road.
Among the parties complaining about the Swords move is Fingal County Council, whose territory corresponds broadly with that of Dublin North – which complained that the county town was no longer in the same constituency as the rest of the county.
Another regular submission includes the complaints that Dublin areas like Terenure and Harold’s Cross are divided between two constituencies.
Many of the submissions from Kerry – including those from the Kerry South branch of Fianna Fáil, Labour senator Marie Moloney and independent TD Michael Healy-Rae – argue against the amalgamation of the Kerry North and Kerry South constituencies.
It is widely anticipated that the two constituencies – each of which currently boasts three seats – will become one large five-seater, and many submissions complain that a single large constituency would provide too great a geographical spread for candidates to represent.
As yet, only three submissions have been made about the restructure of European Parliament constituencies, which are also up for review by the Commission.
Each of those three submissions reaches a separate conclusion: one from the Fine Gael party recommends the status quo, another from an expatriate group recommends the creation of three four-seaters (replacing the four three-seat constituencies currently in place), while the third advocates the adoption of a single national 12-seat constituency.
A new Constituency Commission is formed every five years after a census is held, in order to ensure that the average population per TD or MEP remains broadly in line with a national average.
The Constitution requires that there be at least one TD for every 20,000 members of the public, and a maximum of one TD for every 30,000 people. This year the commission has been told to cut the number of TDs to between 153 and 160.
Ireland is entitled to elect 12 MEPs, but there are no fixed rules governing the size of any European Parliament constituencies.
How should Ireland arrange its European constituencies?
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Could have played an important role well over a year ago!
@Paul Hedderman: you can see why they didn’t use them though…
@John Black: how much worse would it have made it
@Paul Hedderman: important role in confusing people it seems. If they’re unreliable then they’re unreliable. We’re talking about people’s health here. This sounds like playing black jack with the devil.
@John Black: No I cant, they should’ve been used along side PCR. I can understand they werent as accurate as PCR and there would be non health care professionals using them but its another tool in the fight against covid. Every positive test is one less person spreading to many. Regular testing would increase the odds of catching the positive cases if first test wasnt accurate, especially asymptomatic ones, which may never have been tested. As a society we would be better and more skilled at testing than now. Less covid, less icu and less deaths than we’ve accumulated now. Testing negative isnt an excuse to throw the hygiene measures out the window….. Danes had similar per capita cases to us at start of delta, they’ve had much less covid and deaths since. You can bet antigen tests helped
@SquintEastwood: would’ve led to many super spreader events as people who got false negatives would assume they’re all good to mix in with people
@Paul Hedderman: but people would take the negative to mean they don’t have it as oppose to still a maybe.
For antigen testing to work each person needs to be taking antigen tests regularly which I don’t think anyone would want to pay for, they’re just too unreliable/inefficient.
Denmark isn’t really comparable to Ireland, they don’t have an open border with the UK.
@GrumpyAulFella: Why do other countries use them regularly, why are the govt being told they may play an important role? Why are they being used for the pilot night club event?……… Id rather test myself regularly with them than be walking around possibly asymptomatic spreading. With no symptoms why would an asymptomatic person go for a pcr test if also not a close contact. Many many people have picked it up without knowing where they got it from and passed it on. Antigen can stop that. Antigen can stop people entering pubs/clubs by a positive result. If they aren’t implemented well then that person would be in the pub/club spreading anyway……. Were are talking about peoples health here! And were not using a tool to help reduce covid in the community
@John Black: Denmark has plenty of borders. The state pays for PCR tests. Even at increased accuracy they are way more expensive than PCR tests. If the average person can get antigen tests at about a fiver each the state would surely have been able to get them for 3 quid a piece or under. 1 million tests or so a week in sectors where work from home is not possible and for school children would have caught 1000s of cases even with reduced accuracy. Buy them, put out an information campaign, distribute them. It was literally that easy and we didn’t bother.
@GrumpyAulFella: If you are positive on an antigen test you are positive for covid, if it catches 50% of cases early its a success, result in 10 mins versus approx 36 hours
@GrumpyAulFella: But they are not unreliable, that’s the thing.
@John Black: One would hope that if people were symptomatic they would go for a pcr test through hse/gp. Antigen test would work alongside PCR in every day life to pick up asymptomatic or those that aren’t responsible to go for PCR themselves (ie…. tests at work, pub, public building) Antigen tests should be free through the govt like in the UK….. Denmark have an open border with Germany and a direct road link to Sweden into their capital city. We’re quite comparable to Denmark. Similar vaccinated, they have a slightly bigger population….. They were more open than us but they tested more. We have had way more covid. Testing catches and reduces spread…… Recent high incidences in cork, limerick or waterford hardly due to the north. Mainland UK doesn’t have much impact on our cases.
@a: but they are. They produce false negative results on occasion, particularly in asymptomatic cases, so we’ll have carriers walking around doing non-carrier stuff oblivious to the fact that they have Covid. Sounds like a recipe for disaster. Agree that if it’s positive, it’s positive but saw a guideline yesterday that the person should still get a PCR test to confirm!!??!
@GrumpyAulFella: Yes get pcr to confirm but it shows positive in people who are actively shedding so false negatives are less significant
@Aidan O’ Neill: it’s only land border is with Germany who have handled the situation a lot better than the UK.
Everyone would be taking an antigen test every week or few days, the cost of that adds up, when it’s everyone all the time. Not exactly cheaper.
@Paul Keenan: false negatives are a massive issue because people want to use them as the basis to mix into crowds
@Paul Hedderman: if people were properly educated and knew to use them regularly and not take a negative as a definite, then they’re usable but you have too much faith in people, one look through the comments section under any covid post shows lack of education, a lack of willingness to learn or have their opinion changed and even just general conspiracy theories.
We’re not at all comparable to Denmark, culturally us and the UK are totally different from Denmark and Germany and have handled the pandemic totally differently.
The UK has had a significant impact on our cases throughout.
@GrumpyAulFella: How dont you understand this. The asymptomatic person wouldn’t be tested anyway unless a close contact and would be going around spreading, especially now were soon to be fully open.. Antigen tests wont catch covid in everyone but it will get alot.. it will slow the spread which will be needed this winter. Stop just one asymptomatic person spreading means many others aren’t infected. Multiply that and you’re talking many thousands. Think the health service would be glad of that.
@John Black: NI has, UK mainland not so much. Non essential travel only opened July. 1% – 2% of cases now are traced to travel wit many on sun holidays.. Hard for mainland UK to have a significant impact on us with that. Sure Scotland and Wales had huge increases in September due to back to school and Englands remained relatively steady. If Scotland and Wales increase didnt effect Englands much how would they have a significant impact on our cases……. NI did, particularly on border counties. Doubt they had a significant impact on southern counties, more the locals fed up of govt rules and wanting normality…… Alot of Irish aren’t great at following rules which was our problem, blaming the UK is a cop out!
@Paul Hedderman: how do you mean that asymptomatic people won’t check themselves with antigen tests? There are all manner of reasons why they will. Are you saying that tests returning false negatives for these people is not a problem? Ever heard of meat factories?
@GrumpyAulFella: *Asymptomatic people wont get tested (with PCR tests) unless close contacts*…… No not ideal but it is a side effect of the test not being 100% accurate, just like the vaccine isnt 100% and just like PCR tests aren’t 100% …… As I said, thats where regular testing comes into play, it will work along side PCR tests…… Imagine a venue, everyone feels fine attending, 2 asymptomatic arrive. Theres no antigen tests so both go in and spread away. Imagine they were both antigen tested and one was positive, the other false negative. One asymptomatic goes in and then theres less spread. Imagine both turn up positive then then they dont spread. Either way its better than not testing. Compound this effect throughout society and there’ll be alot less covid spread.
I hope Prof Philip Nolan issues an apology to the Irish people now for calling antigen tests snake oil.
@John Fahy: The way some people talk about antigen tests like they’re the secret weapon to defeat Covid once and for all, you can see why his frustration got the better of him.
@▪️: he’s a medical PROFESSIONAL, he’s paid not to let anything get the better of HIM.
@John Fahy: wouldn’t hold my breath. He has never apologised for any other of his mistakes so he won’t start now.
@John Fahy: Why should he? The majority of people here do not understand in what situations they are important and in what situations they give a false sense of security. Our experts need to work together and release one statement, not 10 different ones, of which media and commenters usually misconstrue.
Snake oil….no wait
“A negative rapid result should not be used as a green light”. Cue mass confusion. Have I got Covid, have I not got Covid? Sounds like you’ll end up at a PCR test clinic anyway. Take the antigen test and of positive restrict movements and go for PCR anyway to confirm that your €5 kit from LIDL is actually working. Take the antigen test and if negative, don’t trust it and go for PCR test anyway.
@GrumpyAulFella: but with symptoms for covid being the same as for almost any other seasonal illness an antigen test gives you a positive covid result in 10 mins instead of 48 hours
@GrumpyAulFella: Finish the sentence… “a negative rapid result should not be used as a “green light” for an individual to ignore or bypass current public health advice”………. Its the same with a negative PCR test. We shouldn’t be ignoring the public health advice at all!
@Paul Hedderman: yes except that we can almost be 100% sure that the PCR result is correct whereas it’s anyone’s guess with an antigen. Not sure how you don’t see a problem with this.
@GrumpyAulFella: PCRs run at 45 cycles are a farce & everyone knows it. Explain to me how I can get tested today & an infection from 6 months ago can detected, yet someone else who tested positive just 3 days ago is negative today?
@GrumpyAulFella: yes correct, a person with a negative PCR test has a 99% chance of being negative at the time of taking the test. Cant you pick up covid at the test centre or in the time since the test….. So its a past indicator. People still shouldn’t ignore or bypass current public health advice whether negative from an antigen or a PCR test. Where is the confusion?
Tony won’t like that snake oil lol
Surely somebody who knows somebody in hse/government can guarantee them if they wanted them.. ring a friend
The EU has already provided 200 million euro in a fund for EU member states to pay for testing.
Got a bunch from the UK, been handy with Flu’s and colds appearing. Apparently they can be inaccurate tho, so you go through them in no time.
Does anybody know what the current Vaccine inventory is like in the country? I assume we have so many Pfizer vaccines in storage for boosters?
Antigen tests are used to see if you have been exposed to a virus. While they could make a good statistical tool to examine the extent and patterns of infection, they aren’t suited for front line detection. So I don’t know why they are being touted as such now. It’s a bit like a firefighter fighting a fire and an investigator investigation the cause and spread of the fire. Generally speaking, the fire investigator isn’t doing his job while the fire fighters are trying to put the thing out.
Tony told us today to ignore the results.
He probably had a very bad experience with snake oil.
Who’s on this expert group?
Sounds like they have a ready to go contract awaiting signature to supply basically useless kits.
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