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Data Commissioner concerned about CCTV in taxis

The Data Protection Commissioner is worried about the “proportionality and justification” for having cameras in Irish taxis which record pictures AND sound.

A protest by taxi drivers in 2009 in Dublin.
A protest by taxi drivers in 2009 in Dublin.
Image: Niall Carson/PA Wire

THE DATA PROTECTION Commissioner has said that there are concerns about CCTV cameras being installed in Irish taxis.

In a statement, the Commissioner said it had concerns “about the proportionality and justification for installing CCTV cameras in taxis, taking account of the legitimate privacy expectations of vehicle users”.

The statement was prompted by comments made by John Usher, president of the Irish Taxi Federation, on Newstalk’s The Right Hook show yesterday. Usher was discussing a story carried in the Guardian newspaper on Tuesday which reported that Oxford city council plans to fit its 662 taxis with microphones and CCTV cameras.

Usher said that, in fact, CCTV cameras have been a fixture in some taxis in Ireland for some years now. He added:

The modern ones that are being installed presently can record sound and picture.

One taxi company operating in Dublin has such cameras fitted in all their vehicles. The drivers in this company, however, do not have access to the recordings and they are only downloaded at the request of the gardai or in the event of an alleged incident that needed to be investigated.

An estimated 1,000 taxis around the country are fitted with CCTV cameras and legally, the taxi has to carry a sign to indicate the presence of CCTV. (Data Protection Commission guidelines state: The use of recording mechanisms to obtain data without an individual’s knowledge is generally unlawful.”) However, a vox pop of taxi drivers undertaken by Newstalk heard from one man who said he knew of some fellow drivers who had CCTV in their vehicle but didn’t let people know about it.

John Usher argued that the CCTV provides “two-tier” security – it gives the driver protection in cases of false accusations, and it give the passenger some security in knowing that whatever happens in a taxi is recorded. He also suggested that taxi owners should in fact be given a subsidy to install cameras, as a CCTV system can cost “€250 and upwards so not everyone can afford it”.

He also claimed that CCTV video from a taxi was recently used as evidence in a high-profile murder case as it recorded a conversation in a taxi shortly before the murder was carried out.

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Comments (20 Comments)

  • Do you complain about CCTV in shops or on the bus? I’m going to buy a kit and install it in my fathers taxi because he was falsely accused recently of touching up a woman that was trying to get out of her fare. The kit I’m getting for him records in the taxi, out the windscreen, voice, and the route on google maps (the last one is the best for taxi’s I think because my father says its the most common dispute he has and he has no way of proving he took the correct route). Many taxi drivers will tell you that they are guilty until proven innocent, so I think that the CCTV kits are a great idea for both drivers and customers. But I would hope that legislation is put in to make sure that if someone is to make a complaint about a driver, the driver must produce the footage or face the consequences.

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  • I’m glad we have a data commissioner who is plainly more concerned with peoples privacy rights than his UK equivalent.

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    • This is the same Data Commissioner who refused to allow houses prices to be collected to enable us to get a handle on the market, leaving buyers at the mercy of gouging auctineers, and the same Data Commissioner who sabotaged a perfecly useful post code proposal on the grounds that the post code might identify a property!

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  • I have no problem with CCTV in taxis but there must be no sound recording, just like busses. I can understand that drivers might want to record threats and racial abuse but recording conversations in a taxi is a bit orwellian for me

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  • So long as CCTV in a taxi is handled with the same care towards data protection as CCTV in any other place – such as a workplace – then I don’t mind it. Trouble is if you have single operators who play roughshot with the rules.

    Can understand perfectly why taxi drivers would want CCTV, but the rules should be enforced. Perhaps make it a part of spot checks on taxis to see if they have a sign up with CCTV, and confirmation that drivers are following the rules re: retention etc.

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    • Unfortunately, there standards in the taxi industry are dreadfully low – sub standard cars, no uniforms, illegal ranks etc. – so I wouldn’t trust them with CCTV. You can guarantee it that haf it would be on You Tube by the following day.

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    • Brain, I was listening to the show yesterday and it explained that only the Gardai get to view the footage in the event of an incident.

      Footage is recorded for 3 days then recorded over

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  • I’m pretty sure there have been a lot of false rape and abuse claims made by people towards taxi drivers that could easily be resolved with CCTV which is good for the people earning a living driving.

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  • I’ll be installing one in my taxi, for MY protection more than anything else.

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  • Who takes to the Taxi Driver anyway. Drive my good man drive.

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  • Taxi drivers whingeing, music to my ears!

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  • I used to use a digital dictaphone as part of my taxi job,I’d tape over the red recording light so the abuser wouldn’t be aware if it was running, Now your Mobile has a voice recorder At that time taxiing was fairly safe,Not anymore.
    Four guys refused to pay me after getting out at Ballybrack last Saturday night,No point in ringing Gardai because I’d have half of my busiest night taken up ,so I had to make do with being a victim of a €22 theft.
    If I’d CCTV I could have at least played it back to An Garda at a later stage , The people that rob taxi drivers are rarely one off opportunists.

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  • Tricky…..u can use ur credit card,buy a top up and now camera all in a private TAXI….do the maths…facebook+private information given out when ur drank and camera on ur face for the lenght of the journey….u will be asleep in dublin and ur identity will be having fun in spain or anywere around the world…..

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  • You’re in the presence of a taxi driver, in his vehicle … what, exactly, is your expectation of ‘privacy’?

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    • If you don’t understand that concept then you shouldn’t be installing a cctv system. Privacy applies to more than what is recorded in the vehicle. It applies to what is done with the recordings afterwards – who can access them, when are they deleted etc.

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    • I’m not a taxi driver. I’m not a generic driver supporter — I think there are a lot of bad eggs, and that a lot of them have made unreasonable demands and unreasonable complaints. There are, of course, some really great ones too.

      The same applies to their customers, and I sure as hell wouldn’t want to deal with some of the members of the general public that they do — especially those out after midnight. The regulator & data commissioner should come up with a reasonable system and/or set of regulations that protects BOTH the public and the drivers. However, until that happens, I think the drivers have a right to defend themselves by recording what happens on their property.

      Nobody demands that an individual receive privacy training before purchasing a mobile phone with photo or video capability. Maybe they should, but we aren’t going to ban the sale of them either.

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