Only one more thing to be added to that – ban Party politics.

…get rid of the party whip .

You can be sure that the media and the opposition have facts like this on all the ministers. The problem is if you just release it you look like you’re bashing them for no reason. Hogan has become public enemy number one so the media and the opposition will be more willing to use these little nuggets of information against him.

@Eoin O Niallain

F Fail has just changed their name, it’s now called F Gael! I hate, hate, hate, liars, snakes, bullies, double standards, two rules – them and us.

Hogan resign now, Kenny sort this quickly. Apologize to the electorate. Go on National tv/radio admit that this was just a registration fee, admit that you will be coming after us next January for EUR? Be honest, that’s all I want, that’s all anybody wants. We’ve had liars and thieves for too long in there and we’re sick of it.

I then might pay my part as I have always done since I was 18yrs old. I’ve no job now but I will find the money from somewhere if it’s taken honestly. Hogan has f . . ked up on this and the referendum in May. SORT IT NOW!

Resign.

It’s the little things that get you! I reckon Enda Kenny’s just waiting for an excuse to get rid of Hogan! This might be it!!

Now, I’ll get ready for the red thumbs…
“No public advertisements were issued for the job, which does NOT carry any pay”
Taafe was not personally responsible for the Homebond decision, you can be sure it was taken by their lawyers or reinsurers.
But, it is right to have a person from Homebond on this advisory board. Like them or Loathe them, they have performed a very valuable service in the building industry in the absence of proper state oversight and self regulation. Even in Architects offices, the Homebond manual is one of the most used books.

gerard you are having a laugh? That so called ‘manual’ that builders were supposed to follow in order for homebond to give their seal of approval? The regulations that were supposed to be adhered to, that homebond were supposed to inspect during to construction? That ‘manual’ isn’t worth the paper it’s printed on. I can’t go into specifics on an open forum but you can take my word that these decisions were very much led by the man in question.

Niamh, again you misunderstand the building process.
HB are not a regulatory body, any advice they give on a building project is simply that -advice. They are insurers.
But, but, in the ABSENCE of a functioning local authority building control system, Homebond have provided a valuable service. Their manual is an excellent document.
They cannot be held responsible for anything that went wrong, but may be required to pay for defects to be rectified.
It’s the system that is broken.
Why do banks give out mortgages on property that do not meet building regulations?
Why does the legal profession accept the wording ‘substantial compliance’ from certifiers.
Why do architects accept the builders word that the building has been built correctly?
It is because the system is broken.
Lobbyists such as the CIF have ensured the broken system has endured, to the detriment of homeowners.
Priory Hall will eventually be pulled down, of that you can be sure.

Gerard they are not an insurance company, they are a bond company and I think it is you who misunderstand. You have obviously been lucky enough not to have to deal with homebond, unfortunately many homeowners are not in ur position. As I said I won’t go into specifics on an open forum but I can tell you that homebond most definitely share some of the responsibility and they know it.

There are 1,000′s of homes with this pyrite all over north county Dublin, Meath. Many, many of them cannot get it fixed because they have been told their ‘home bond’ is gone they cannot claim. Worth nothing! These people are paying big morgs., many have lost their jobs. They can’t afford to fix it, which could be up to EUR100,000 depending on how bad and how old the house is. Some have been offered EUR2,000!

These house cannot be sold. They will eventully fall down, outwards. That is what pyrite does. It expands underneath the house, as it is in the foundations. It will keep expanding. It pushes the walls outwards and eventually it will fall down. Could take 20 years but it will happen. The pyrite is in some quarries that developers were using. As far as I know the builders didn’t know about it. Two years ago ‘a law’ came in where the soil must be checked before it leaves the quarries. Unfortunately, that’s no good to the poor souls that are living in a home that they are paying a morg. for a house that is worth nothing. This Government has to fix these homes if they expect the families to continue to pay their morgs.

Gerard. I’m a builder, once off private houses, extensions, renovations. The homebond book is a joke. I was written by engineers and technicians from the comfort of their desks…all theory…all far removed from the reality of real building conditions. NO attempt to tailor building methods to our specific climate. All of this using” facts and values” taken as gospel from big building materials manufacturers. HOMEBOND = JOBS FOR THE BOYS!

More lies, bull, jobs for the boys, underhandedness,double standards etc , enough is enough , cmon everybody lets wreck the place !!!!!Sorry too late I see sombody has done it already

He should be fired for this. This country makes me so sad.

The problem in Ireland is there is no proper Building Control Inspection as in UK. Simple. Architects certifying buildings to be ‘in compliance’ is a joke. Prior Hall is really only the tip of the iceberg.Watch this space!

Niamh were the OPW involved in the building of your estate, and if so what role did they play in? Did they sign off all work done by the developer?

Brian
You are not a fool, you /we have been lied to and cheated.
The fools are these twits in gov who thought we wouldn’t notice

If that is the case we are all fools , but no more . They are worse , they knew when they were campaigning in the general election they were LYING. They are Liars , and bullies. Horrible selfish immoral, led by a man who comes across as holier than thou ! He is a Sly sleeveen. Shame Shame Shame Shame ….. and as for Hogan and creighton . pigs.

@Brian Mulligan, Dav Harris, Susie

What’s worrying me is that they have been there while Haughey, Aherne, O’Dea, Harney, Burke, Lawlor etc. etc. were holding office. They’ve been watching, listening and learning all along. They’ve seen what F Fail have got away with and they will do it too if we let them. They’ll just do it in a more sneaky way.

We have to get on top of this. We have to be in their face the whole time. Where they are littering looking behind them for the rest of their time in there. Unfortunately, there are rotten apples in every box. We, the electorate we just have to do all the work ourselves now and take them out.

Sheila
We got a box of rotten apples ….. Kenny ( for all his seemingly goodness), Veradkar , Hogan, Creighton, Noonan , Hayes et al…. Gilmore , Rabbitte, (By nature) and all of them . We must keep up a show of ”civil disobedience” along with the million other house holds

Welcome to the club!

Because some of the cabinet know he is a liability & want him out…damage limitation.

I think that could be it, Peter 66.

The media is biased – particularly the Indo who had probably known about this last week but decided to sit on it till Sunday.

We’ll just have to lynch the bustards then….

Why is he suddenly a scumbag? Most of you voted for him and Enda Kenny has a 67% approval rating so I donlt understand why you are all complaining. Irish people are very funny :-)

Most of the people didnt vote for FG because they were better, or vote for Hogan (the twit) – people were angry at FF and as I said above, there was no viable alternative

I do not understand how individuals can behave in such a manner when they they are in a ”pack”. It is disgraceful ! I will maintain my protest of not registering and not paying . Hogan is a liability.

I think you’ll find the fact I voted at all is reason enough to have an opinion whether you agree or not. The people who didn’t vote, that’s who you should be on the case of and DO NOT assume to know the voting preferences of this particular contributor.
When a clear, concise, well thought out and positive alternative comes along then you might, just might find a change in the voting strategy of the electorate in this country that you seem to find so amusing.

@Susie,

Hear, hear, I have always voted since I was 18. Wasn’t always sure who was the best to vote for but at least I got off my ass and used it. Women and many others fought for me so out of respect for them and myself I will always vote. I cannot complain otherwise.

Hogan backed Kenny in the heave and used his powers of persuasion to keep people in line, Kenny owes him but as you say the man is a liability and the knives are out for him

i dont mean to disrespect you but thats a very silly attitude. people fought and died to give us our vote so if you want to change things vote for independents perhaps? things will never change if people refuse to vote at all!!

Mark,
People fought and died for the democratic ideal, Tony is commenting on the fact that the choice between FF, DG SF and independents is a poor one.
FG wouldnt be in power if there was a viable choice, and they couldnt do it alone.
(FG couldnt win an election when everybody knew Bertie was crooked remember)

#Mark, I know using your vote is important but you can see how people get disillusioned with the carry on in the Dail. Independents aren’t immune either. The Healy-Raes spring to mind.
In fairness, “people fought and died” to give us our sovereignty too and less than 100 years later, the politicians signed that away overnight, to protect their cronies in the banking and building sectors. People with family members who died during these struggles must wonder what it was all for.

I will always use my vote . It givbes me the right to protest , like now . We use it according to the knowledge we have , and information we are given. In future I will not be so trusting .

Good Onya Gavan.

”In fact, Minister Hogan has been forced to confirm this week that since coming into power last year, he has made 26 appointments to State Boards without advertising those positions”

Jobs for your Cronies? Big Phil, FG’s Bully Boy Hatchetman.

Its time you went to Portugal on a permanent holiday.
Well I suppose your government is nearly on permanent holidays anyway.
FG/Labour ”The Holiday Government”

Oh my god the Troica have Repo-d our country.
I think it’s time for our leaders to go on a 19 day Easter holiday.
How can they get anything done with all the holidays?

You should be throwing these HomeBond Cowboys in jail, Not giving them soft, influential posts.

Some of these poor unfortunate people are up to their necks and these cowboys want to leave them with nothing but a pile of rubble.

Go on Phil spend the next 3 years blaming your failures on the last government.
You’re might be worse than them yourself.
Time and (our) money will tell.

Nothing wrong with side tracking Gavan it’s more interesting & you sound like a bit of a mammy with your warning of ‘locking’ the thread, relax & don’t turn in to Joan burton :-)

Sheila ,
I think some of my posts were removed ? I don’t know why , but I agree with your comments here :) It has been too long that we have taken every thing lying down, and after meeting up with all those lovely people on the march last saturday I feel revived , and hopeful for the future.:)

Fine Gael should be in Fianna Fail!

Fine Gael and Labour should be in Fianna Fail!

I was blocked from posting on the Fg facebook page and had my comments deleted yesterday. Wankers.