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Gilmore: Communion allowance cut to stop ‘lavish’ spending

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TÁNAISTE EAMON GILMORE has defended cuts in allowances for communion and confirmation payments saying that it is intended to limit ‘lavish’ expenditure.

The government is planning to cut the payment to a maximum of €110. Parents are currently able to apply for a payment of between €200 and €305 to help cover the costs of the religious occasions, which are held in the vast majority of primary schools in the country.

The cut has been criticised by the Society of the Saint Vincent de Paul who said it was “another cut for people who can’t afford it”.

Speaking in the Dáil this morning, the leader of the Labour party said that €3.4 million was spent last year on 14,000 communion and confirmation payments.

“It is the view of the Minister, and something I share, that we have seen over the years a lot of very lavish expenditure in some cases associated with communions and confirmations,” he said.

Many parishes and schools are anxious to try and get the costs associated with the events under control, Gilmore said, and so  it had been decided to limit the payment to under €110.

“Hopefully this will try to limit” the expenditure, the Tánaiste said.

The Tánaiste was responding to a question from Sinn Féin’s Mary Lou McDonald who criticised the government for cutting the allowance, saying it wouldn’t just affect people on benefits but also the working poor.

The Sinn Féin TD said that members of the Dáil had claimed €6 million in expenses last year but the government was proposing to take the money “off the backs and out of the pockets of poor people”.

“A child still has to be dressed for an occasion,” she said

Gilmore noted that the payment varied widely by county. Sligo, Leitrim and Donegal had a total of 25 payments made in 2011 for communions and confirmations.

“This is about using the scarce resources of the public to the best effect” to ensure that the money spent on people in need goes to people who have the greatest need for it, he told the Dáil.

“Another cut for people who can’t afford it”

Spokesperson for the Society of Saint Vincent de Paul Jim Walsh said that the cut would put more pressure on families struggling to make ends meet.

“Unfortunately it seems to us that it’s another cut for people who very often can’t afford it,” he told TheJournal.ie.

“We find people who come to the Society tend to be just about able to manage on a week to week basis – but when occasions like communions, confirmations, a death in the family or going back to school comes up, they really struggle”.

“Then they have to make choices – they have to choose between putting food on the table or heating the home to help deal with the costs”.

“So we’re sorry to see it happen. It’s another additional cost on people and we expect it will bring more people to the Society”.

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Comments (125 Comments)

  • Declan Noonan 02/02/12 #
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    I can’t believe there was an allowance for this!

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    • Michelle Holian 02/02/12 #
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      Neither can I! What other allowances are there that the public aren’t aware of? It’s a joke.

    • Jay funk 02/02/12 #
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      lots of similar schemes, but only for those who are single parents & long term unemployed. I’m Unemployed but because I work when I can usually 4/5 days a month & declare to be living with my partner (not married) I can’t enjoy any of these extra benefits, system is designed to make people not want to work and lie about their relationship with parents of their children.

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      They should delete this insulting allowance altogether! Its ridiculous to think that the government subsidising this!

    • Jon S W Rainey 02/02/12 #
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      Wrong Jay, its actually open to EVERYONE, not just unemployed or single parents. Its a one off payment, and anyone regardless of status can apply.

    • Alex Simons 02/02/12 #
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      While I am relgious myself. I think the payment is crazy.. And the Church should also step in to the argument. I think what should be done is the same as in other countries where the school uniform is used or a simple white rob (same rob for all kids) . No expensive dresses and the focus is on the religous event … not the excessive spending on dresses.,,,, Esp not at the states expense. Its utterly crazy.

    • Lenbarry123 02/02/12 #
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      Wonder if you can get it backdated?

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      Jon S W Rainey, this is only available to the unemployed on social welfare. Nobody else can claim this, even those on very low income.

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      Ridiculous allowance.Never knew it even existed.I wonder will he suggest a drop in the 3500 euro laundry allowance that Gilmore and Co get every year?
      Might need to start with that one Eamonn because thats even more ridiculous…………

    • Zvczv Derthyds 02/02/12 #
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      Can anybody list all the allowances on social welfare? or this information being kept in secret by Dept of SP. People pay taxes but do not know on what (beep) Dept of SP through them.

    • Aisling Brady 02/02/12 #
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      I couldn’t believe there is an allowance for TDs for laundering their clothes or for hairdressing but there is!

    • Phill 02/02/12 #
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      Utterly ridiculous. It should be scrapped completely. Under EU anti-discrimation legislation, is this open to families of other religions to pay for their ceremonial outfits?

    • franco 03/02/12 #
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      in the overall scheme of things its even harder to think that TDs are claiming up to 50000 a year expenses..

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    So Mary Lou is complaining about this as well… it’s just non stop with her.

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  • Bryan 02/02/12 #
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    Religion is a choice it should not be funded!

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    • Eileen Gabbett 02/02/12 #
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      If it needs to be funded ,then let the church fund it …

    • Neil Kettles 02/02/12 #
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      Seems to me that it discriminates against other religions! Id say they’d be better off abolishing it altogether! They’re leaving themselves wide open to be sued! Let the Roman Catholic church look after their own.

    • Aisling Brady 02/02/12 #
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      it is not a payment for religion, it is for special needs, any special need – it has never been specifically intended for religious purposes only. It is deceitful forf people to refer to this payment as a reglious payment.

    • Eileen Gabbett 02/02/12 #
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      Aisling ==” it is not a payment for religion, it is for special needs, any special need – it has never been specifically intended for religious purposes only. It is deceitful forf people to refer to this payment as a reglious payment. ”
      Read the following ———— e305 for secondary pupils and an equal payment for a
      Communion or Confirmation payable to persons on Social Welfare whose weekly income is not more than e150 over
      the weekly contributory pension rate.——http://www.patbreen.ie/2011/01/14/social-welfare-changes-budget-2011/ It does specify these two religious ceremonies ……..

    • Noirin Lynch 02/02/12 #
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      D’oh – “the church” has been fighting lavish spending for years and has never asked the state to fund this. For example most parishes write to parents to specifically ask them NOT to give cards (with cash) to children within church grounds as its terrible pressure on all parents to do the same. Many parishes have tried to have a common alb (simple white smock worn over clothes) introduced. Its parents who insist on this. Parishes have been trying for years to have communions on a Sunday at regular Mass but parents go mad cause you can’t get a hairdresser on Sundays. The latest Irish guidelines for first communions suggest that they by held over all the Sundays of May – the families comes to Mass with the child on whichever Sunday suits them and they all come forward and receive communion together – again parents went mental about missing out on the big occcassion. There definitely shouldn’t be a fund for this, sacramental preparation should happen in parishes (including wedding preparation), and we should allow children be children on these occassions – not just an excuse for adults to party.

  • Barry 02/02/12 #
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    What the hell???

    People get money for this, you are kidding me?

    It shouldn’t be cut to 110, it should be cut to nothing,

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  • Goldie Locks 02/02/12 #
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    Are they serious? Up to 300 quid per child for this nonsense! And are the non-Catholic kids entitled to anything?

    I worked for a while in a primary school with designated disadvantaged status. The children receiving confirmation were mandated to wear long smocks over their outfits in an attempt to lessen the ‘fashion parade’ effect. Not sure how effective it was but it was a step in the right direction. Mind you, the girls all still had the false tans, nails, lashes and professional hair and makeup! Glad to know my tax dollar was subsiding their glamour.

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  • Gerard Murphy 02/02/12 #
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    Grants to dress up your kids for the day – all part of the state sponsored Roman Catholic religious indoctrination of children in this country.
    FFS.
    Church State separation as soon as possible please.

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  • zulu zulu 02/02/12 #
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    Wow , this can happen only in Ireland….. No wonder we’re broke. This allowance shd be cut to zilch. the other day someone was telling me I could get disability allowance for Acne ….can I !!!!!!!!

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  • Heather McDermott 02/02/12 #
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    I am shocked that people can claim an allowance for this! How dare those politicians say we are ‘taking money from the poor’! People need to live within their means, not buy hugely expensive dresses/suits for children and have huge parties. SVP are clearly biased in their support of these events, but they should be encouraging people to have more moderate or appropriate celebrations. NOT spending what they don’t have in the first place. I am so annoyed to learn about this. why should my taxes pay for this non-essential allowance?

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  • Liz Wallace 02/02/12 #
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    I understand that some people go overboard but budgets have got so tight for family’s they cant afford basic weekly living with all the vat increases an €100 per house ,home owned might I add and now here we go again more cuts. I know every time you take up a paper or watch the news it seams to me cuts are always directed to low income family’s . Its unreal some family’s may have two children making there first holy what about the cost then an further more all you have to do is go into some of the shops an look at the prices,s of dresses an clothes you would not have much change left ….Get real”…

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    • Shane Brehony 02/02/12 #
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      If u any afford them don’t have them and plenty outfits in dunnes if u need something cheap

    • Rocky Dennis 02/02/12 #
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      Go to Penneys or Dunnes like any other person and get a dress or suit for €25 for your child. Buy a cake and have a nice family meal at home with your relations. Why should the state subsidise your extravagance for your childs communion. It’s not about bouncy castles, fake tan and limos. Get a grip and cop on and save like everyone else….people like you make my blood boil

    • Bernadette Dunne 02/02/12 #
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      @Liz Wallace I totally agree we do need to get real IF this allowance continues this really has proved that we have become a nation of givers and takers and thankfully I and my family are givers but this allowance gas given me a shock to say the least It is allowances like this and all the takers that have put more pressure on the givers( the hard working RAX payers) whom are really stressed to the limit so it is time to check and see what other allowances there and scrap more if them

    • Bernadette Dunne 02/02/12 #
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      Oops should read ( tax payers…….

    • Mick Duffy 02/02/12 #
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      Religion is a choice so why should the State subsidise it, could the church not pay this and help to keep their ever dwindling number of followers happy 3.5M would be nothing to them. Can’t believe this payment exists.

    • Heather McDermott 02/02/12 #
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      then let the church pay the allowances.

    • Síomha Connolly 02/02/12 #
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      Liz, are you honestly trying to say that anyone need €300 for a first communion? I did mine for free. Second hand dress, old shoes, no ridiculous bag, veil etc.
      That may have been 10 years ago but I don’t see what has changed.

      Noone should need 100 let alone 300 for this, at the end of the day to make your communion is a choice, not something that has to be done, and certainly not something that you should be given money for.

      You might need to be the one to “get real” Liz

    • Niall FitzGerald 03/02/12 #
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      Holy communion, or any religious celebration for that matter, occurs after someone has made the CHOICE, or choice on behalf of their child, to join a particular religion – in the same way someone may choose to celebrate a particular birthday of their child or a non-religious milestone in their child’s life.. In this case can we expect funding from the government for equally trivial sweet 16 birthday celebration for a child of ours? The fact that today, in a supposedly secular irish society, we are funding religion as taxpayers, of any faith or no faith at all, is a joke.. It is no wonder that this country faces several more years of austerity and possibly another bailout.. If the poorer members of society choose to give their child a particular (non essential) religious upbringing, then they can make the sacrifice and choice to fund it with whatever financial aid they legitimately otherwise obtain from the state

  • David Higgins 02/02/12 #
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    First Gilmore talks about reopening the Vatican embassy and now he’s maintaining this crazy and religion-specific payment. The man must go to mass every day :D

    This payment should be abolished today!

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  • Aranthos Faroth 02/02/12 #
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    Awhh.. if they are cutting this then there isn’t much chance for a grant for Saturday night out! :(

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  • gingerman 02/02/12 #
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    Anyone who puts children through this superstitious prehistoric nonsense, should fund it themselves

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  • Carl Hammond 02/02/12 #
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    What a feckin joke this country is. Get out while you can!

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    • Aisling Brady 02/02/12 #
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      Carl, you might be in luck. Paddy Harte, FG, from Donegal might pay your way – he did offer to pay the fare home to Poland for the girl who wrote about the good times living on the Dole payments in Ireland. Worth a try – after all he will be able to claim it back in expenses.

  • P Wurple 02/02/12 #
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    Good grief, the church should pay this for families who cannot afford it, not the state. There is no WAY a second hand dress costs 300 quid.
    What a ridiculous payment. Step one is slicing it down alright, but step two should be abolishing it completely.

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  • Ben ben 02/02/12 #
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    Why cut my post?? Free speech is dead!!

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  • Alan Campbell 02/02/12 #
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    If your Jewish can you claim for your Bar Mitzvah dress?

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    • Eileen Gabbett 02/02/12 #
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      I don’t see why not ! Don’t forget the children of Islam ,they also have their religious ceremonies , Also Pentecostal ,Church of Ireland etc etc…. While they are at it weddings are expensive …This is a ridiculous payment . Ban it now .

    • Louise Allen 02/02/12 #
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      Ah Eileen i didn’t even think of that! “I’m getting married in a church, It’s gonna be a big party, bouncy castle the lot! Got my white dress and all…now I’d like my grant to fund it please! No??” It’s basically the same thing!
      It would be a laughable practice if it wasn’t so f**king tragic. I can’t believe we’re funding this!

    • Eileen Gabbett 02/02/12 #
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      Louise
      I am absolutely shocked by this ….
      It must have been one of the best kept secrets, Having said, that I believe this grant should be abolished ,I also believe that the laundry allowance and the unvouched allowances for the Ministers should be abolished too. That too is wrong.

    • Eileen Gabbett 03/02/12 #
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      I have amended my thoughts on this
      See Below

  • Multi talentless 02/02/12 #
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    Don’t forget these :

    Job seekers allowance for the unemployable

    Free legal aid for career criminals

    Free drugs treatment & free travel for junkie drug dealers who have no intention of ever quitting

    Children’s allowance for children who are no longer resident in the state

    Social welfare benefits to people who are currently incarcerated in prison

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  • Alan Campbell 02/02/12 #
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    I’m being sarcastic

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  • Jane Forrester 02/02/12 #
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    The government wasted 3.4 million on this nonsense last year! How many teachers salaries or books would this have paid for? Things that would have contributed to the real education of the nations children. Or how many warm jumpers and shoes that those poor kids could wear every day, not just silly frilly fake mini wedding dresses to be worn once.

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  • Paul Moloney 02/02/12 #
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    €300 is ridiculous in a country that’s economically screwed. What next – a burka dry-cleaning allowance? I’ve seen girls in white frilly dresses riding around in _horse-drawn white carriages_ on their communion – it’s a bizarre, tacky, day of one-upsman-ship by people. Time to put an end to this nonsense.

    P.

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  • Deirdre Farrelly 02/02/12 #
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    This is appaling, i know were all struggling, but no one helps the self employed , the employed, the people as above being honest& not scrounging, with these kind of allowances.
    I rarely post here but this really makes me mad that there is such a grant and that most of us have never even heard of it.
    Im shocked that paye workers and all households are being increasingly taxed& yet theres money in the pot for this.
    Government might be better off opening donate shops for items the less well off cant afford, not just the unemployed , but all, where if im finished with a communion dress that was worn for one day, it can be donated& not sold on, but given on, likewise for baby products, prams, seats, toys, so much stuff that people no longer want & simply throw away.

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    • Bernadette Dunne 02/02/12 #
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      @Deirdre Farrelly you are dead right but I think a small price be put on items to cover running costs or at the end of every month monies collected could buy fuel for people who are struggling
      That way let it work by helping a lot of people to get through tough times

  • Philip Keenan 02/02/12 #
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    Give them nothing
    Religion is your own personal choice, the state shouldn’t have to subsidise it

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  • Tigerisinthezoo 02/02/12 #
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    I thought the school kids wore their uniforms. Maybe the girls don’t but a dress and hair make up can’t cost 300. The gravy train will end.

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    • Barry 02/02/12 #
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      They generally wear uniforms for Confirmation, makes total sense as they go to secondary school the next year. A similar none supported setup should be created for communions.

    • Shane Brehony 02/02/12 #
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      I see some schools get the kids to wear their uniforms and then the school buys gowns to go over them , so
      Everyone looks the same and these gowns can b reused

  • Ben ben 02/02/12 #
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    My old suit is gone a bit tatty and I’ve a wedding coming up. Where do I apply for the allowance as it’s pretty much the same thing, no?

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  • Barry 02/02/12 #
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    Religion is a choice,

    if people expect the state to give them money for a communion should the state also give them money for a bible, Qur’an or whatever other religious text you should have for your faith?

    Would so many catholic family’s be so quick to say that other faiths should also get money as well, I’m betting they wouldn’t be, in this situation its either every faith gets money or nobody does.

    When it comes down to it church and state should be separate so nobody should get money for their faith.

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    Now how are the scanger mothers supposed to get their daughters fake tans and big hoopy ear rings for the communion. But in all seriousness it seems that this is the only country in the world where you are paid to have a family, get no education, get no job, just live off the state.

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  • John Buckley 02/02/12 #
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    Taxpayer’s money subsidizing the indoctrination of children into a primitive superstitious cult presided over by emotionally twisted and bitter old men living a life of luxury in palatial splendor. It could only be tolerated in fucked-up Catholic Ireland!

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  • David Murphy 02/02/12 #
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    Thi

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  • David Murphy 02/02/12 #
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    Think Mary Lou was making the point fat cat TDs cost 6million in expenses last year in comparison and that’s allowed to go on, never mind countless other costs associated with being a free loading minister.
    While I don’t agree with the benefit it’s another case of going after the soft targets as is the hall mark of FG/Lab gov.
    When Enda and co take a 50% pay cut I’ll support them but more chance of a meteorite hitting Dail Eireann and doing us all a favour in one swoop! ;0)

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  • Saoilí 02/02/12 #
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    I am torn on this one. I don’t think subsidy should exist at all. I don’t think the practice of spending huge amounts of money on these days should exist at all. But it does exist and reducing or removing the payments will not change the societal pressures these people feel to give their child their ‘big day out’. This strikes me as a symptom of a larger problem.

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  • Saoilí 02/02/12 #
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    One more thing. The lavish spending associated with the day has nothing to do with religion.

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    • John Murphy 02/02/12 #
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      Enlighten us Saoili. What has it to do with?

    • Louise Allen 02/02/12 #
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      You’re right the lavish spending is a societal thing but that doesn’t change the fact that there are families out there getting a government grant for a religious observance. It’s utterly ridiculous and unfair given other religious groups are not awarded this extraordinary privilege. It’s not right and it should be abolished.

    • Gordon Lucas 02/02/12 #
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      Surely it would be more relevant to have kept in the Christmas double-payment if you’re bending to what parents believe they have to give their kids…. or perhaps a once-a-year-holiday money.
      The act of Communion in church *has” to do with religion, so it should be cut to zero as it is totally biased.
      Gilmore says he is trying to limit spending, which seems a bit odd in a recession. Or is he concerned that the religious festival ought to be more spiritual? – which is none of his business as a politician.

    • Saoilí 02/02/12 #
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      “Enlighten us Saoili. What has it to do with?” Society and tradition mostly. Nothing in the bible, or the teachings of the Catholic church, ever said anything about white dresses or suits, fake tans or horse drawn carriages. I see no way to link any of that, any of the expensive stuff, to the ceremonies themselves.

  • Niamh Byrne 02/02/12 #
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    Think its time the schools use 2nd class for something more useful and communion catechism is taught.after school as a choice and funded by the church and parents. the schools that continue to do communion should use the school uniform for the communion day.

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  • Brian Ward 02/02/12 #
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    I was up the Northside of Cork about 5 years ago and remarked to a girl in the shop I was calling to about the price of the dresses the 2 young girls were wearing for their communion. She told me that the dresses cost about €350 but that they would get it all back as they go door to door collecting for their “big day”. The girl told me that her niece had done it three weeks beforehand and had collected about €1100! I nearly dropped. They were calling up to people like it was trick or treat and people were giving them anywhere between €10 to €50. The girl also told me that the young ones parents only went to mass at Christmastime, Easter and the odd funeral or wedding. Oh and of course the big day out for the communion and confirmation.

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  • John Brennan 02/02/12 #
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    Totally agree with the government on this. This is a waste of money. I find it hard to believe such a grant exists. Why are we subsidising religious events in this day and age?

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  • John Murphy 02/02/12 #
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    What idiot introduced this payment and who sought it?
    Those in Government that defend the payment of this ridiculous allowance make a mockery of their defense of more serious issues.

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  • Síomha Connolly 02/02/12 #
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    Just FYI,
    You can get the same allowance for Confirmations too apparently:
    “A back-to-school payment of €200 for primary pupils, €305 for secondary pupils and an equal payment for a Communion or Confi rmation payable to persons on Social Welfare whose weekly income is not more than €150 over the weekly contributory pension rate.”
    http://www.nealerichmond.ie/know-where-you-stand/social-welfare/
    http://richardbruton.ie/your-entitlements/social-welfare/

    Back to school allowances I am fine with, that can be expensive and there is no choice in that. Confirmations and Communions are a choice, it is ridiculous that peole are being paid to do them, especially €300. Nothing in a communion or confirmation should cost anywhere near that much.

    The self employed are getting screwed in this country with no entitlements at all but yet there are people out there getting €300 to show off? Unbelievable

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  • Jennifer Cox 02/02/12 #
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    So what about the other religions? Is there a Bar-Mitzvah allowance? This is ridiculous and exclusive.

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    My Daughter is church of Ireland and she will make her communion and confirmation in 6th class,all studying involved in receiving these sacraments is done outside of school hours,the emphasis is on the importance of the sacrament not the big White dress and the party that comes with it!

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  • Philip Bidnit 02/02/12 #
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    It is so reassuring that the majority of people who have commented on this are disgraced that this allowance even exists, and not that it has been cut. Next step: tax the Church!

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  • Seamus Moran 02/02/12 #
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    Is it true that there is also allowance or a subsidy for feeding for horses in this country?

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  • Louis Hemmings 02/02/12 #
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    would that reference to “confirmation” also include Church of Ireland citizens of the Republic? or is this only a sectarian grant? it should be completely banned or else given to all religious “big days out”,

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      My kids are C.O.I in the south,confirmation is a very important sacrament to make but as far as I am aware there isn’t the same “hype”attached,making your confirmation in an evening is also done,in fairness to the catholic church they do not encourage the pomp and ceremony and teachers are known also to tell the parents no fake tan,manicures etc,it’s the parents of some kids that take the whole thing out of context

  • Shane O'Connor 02/02/12 #
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    WTF? There is a communion allowance?? And here’s me Self Employed, paying taxes (and countless stealth taxes) and if I pack it all in tomorrow I don’t get a single red cent. What a country!!

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    • Síomha Connolly 02/02/12 #
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      The self employed have been f***ed over in this country. they are the ones who worked and brought money and jobs into the economy and what do they get when things go bad? Nothing. No support whatsoever, financially or otherwise.

      People keep claiming that the “low-income earners” are the ones suffering but with all their payments they are doing alright compared to the self-employed who have lost everything to this recession and don’t even have basic social welfare payments to fall back on. What’s the point in working if this is how you are treated?

  • Carlin Ite 02/02/12 #
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    Joe Duffy referred to it as a special occasions benefit. Is it called special occasions benefit or communion benefit? Why not call it a birthday benefit. Everyone in the country gets 300 quid off the gov on their 8th birthday. At least that way religious people will then see it as ridiculous. Religion should be a personal choice and all state funding for religious ceremonies cut. If you want the church to give a definitive statement ask them to fit the bill for it. Then they will be preaching from soap boxes on every corner stating how stupid it is to spend money on such a ceremony. Silky white dresses have nothing to do with any of it. Shame on the church for letting it get out of hand.

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  • Danielle Brookes 02/02/12 #
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    Are they for real!?! My ma worked several jobs, my da was in hospital and my ma went and got a loan from the credit union to pay for my dress! If kids want big gypsy style dressed that cost a fortune they should pay for it out of the hundreds of pounds they rake in on the day! It’s a religious sacrament not s fashion show down …. Bet there’s no barmitzva allowance!!!!

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  • Sinead Mc Cay 02/02/12 #
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    Have to disagree with a lot of post on here on this one. Children should absolutely not wear school uniforms for communion or confirmation. Catholic church needs to be separated from education! Communion and confirmation should be dealt with out of school by parents who want to do it. And the government should definitely not be giving grants for it!

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  • Darren McCormack 02/02/12 #
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    “another cut for people who can’t afford it”
    This is a joke. So because someone can’t afford to pay upwards of 305€ for communion wear, it is expected that the taxpayer should pay it. They are still getting 110€ which is still too much in my opinion.

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  • Stephen Kearon 02/02/12 #
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    Giving state money to support any religion’s ceremonies is simply incompatible with being a Republic.

    Also parents know from birth they have 7 years to budget/plan for this so its up to them, and not the tax payer, to take responsibility to fund their child’s day out.

    The dependency mindset of ‘free money’ has to end.

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  • Howard Cooley 02/02/12 #
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    Ban religion. No need for communion.

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  • Brian Condra 02/02/12 #
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    can I have a day out allowance with my kids? I’m atheist.

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  • Siruao 02/02/12 #
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    absolutely feckin obscene – really made me cough on my cornflakes this morning – no wonder we can’t pay for anything with this crap..

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  • Danny McLaughlin 02/02/12 #
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    So there was only 25 applicants for this handout in Donegal, Sligo and Leitrim last year?
    We can safely say that that number will be up to a thousand times more this year, seeing as no one had heard about it before.
    Well done Government. You tried to save money, but by advertising it, you’re going to cost the taxpayer even more money this year.

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  • sarah 02/02/12 #
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    I can’t believe there is an allowance for this! Is this a joke? This should be the first thing cut when there looking at social welfare cuts. Theses days communions/confirmations are a show of how much money people have or have borrowed with designer outfits, stretched limos etc etc. Its not about religion anymore. As heard on the Ray DArsey show they should all have to wear a school robe that the school provides so they look all the same. I would like to see the statistics of how many parents go to mass weekly that spend a fortune on these events. These days it seen that people are almost forced to have children, baptised, have there holy communion and be confirmed as there child would feel left out if they didn’t! religious should be toned down in schools with communion, confirmation be prepared and organised through the church not the primary school.

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  • Brian O'Donnell 02/02/12 #
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    Many pupils across the country are wearing their school uniforms to their communion and confirmations..this is good practice on many levels! The tax payer should NOT pay for these celebrations. They are not a NEED!

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  • Brian Rogan 02/02/12 #
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    If parents want to spend stupid money on stupid religious ceremonies, that’s their business, but why should it be funded by the taxpayer?? This country is a joke!!!

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  • Sarah Curran 02/02/12 #
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    i have a daughter making her communion this year and this is the first time I’ve heard of such an allowance. Im unemployed at the moment and could use some extra cash to help pay for the occasion but this is just ridiculous! can’t believe they have an allowance for a religious occasion! you would have thought this would have been cut years ago…

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  • Rory Byrne 02/02/12 #
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    Communion allowance? WTF?

    They still give out this stupid payment as they cut millions out of educational grants for students and decimate the health budget etc…

    Bizarre..

    Get rid of communions and confirmations altogether..

    Problem Solved..

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  • TheDublinGirly 02/02/12 #
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    Bet you didn’t know that there is a pyjama allowance? I kid you not ….

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  • TheDublinGirly 02/02/12 #
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    According to welfare.ie for the back to school allowanxe – ‘Your child must be aged between 2-22 on or before 30 September. ‘ I thought the mentally of paying for 2 year olds was to be stopped? How does nyone apply for this for a 2 year old without feeling shame.

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  • TheDublinGirly 02/02/12 #
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    Also there’s a pyjama allowance – just madness.

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  • julie farrell 02/02/12 #
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    I just got married… That’s a religious ceremony. Where’s my grant? This is the MOST absurd thing I’ve heard.

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    • Aisling Brady 06/02/12 #
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      there is a grant towards newly married couples in Longford/Westmeath area – it is called the Charlton Endowment Fund and goes towards the sons/daughters of labourers who get married and apply for help

  • Dermot Murphy 02/02/12 #
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    Dermot Murphy
    Everybody try and share this with as many people as possible.We have a chance now.so lets all take it.Show these greedy fuckers we have had enough.

    D-DAY – BLOCKADE DUBLIN
    ‎22 February at 08:00
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  • Deirdre O Keeffe 02/02/12 #
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    Eh, parents are usually given about 8 years notice for communion, should be plenty of time to siphon away some money for the occasion. This allowance should NOT exist!

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  • the chap 02/02/12 #
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    Mary Lou – defender of the poor! Another joke handout at the taxpayers expense

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  • themamba1 02/02/12 #
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    Ah what, is that the end of the tiaras and the stretched limos then….. Wonderful country!!!!

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  • Eileen Gabbett 03/02/12 #
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    You know what ; I have been thinking about this all eveningand I have decided that I was not correct in my previous comments .
    This is another divide and conquer strategey on the part of the government…

    This time ,they are lining vulnerable people up
    against other vulnerable people . This is a disgraceful attack on already
    poor people ,driving them further and further into despair .
    The only ones who should be ashamed here are the wealthy like Mr Gilmore and his
    equally wealthy cohorts.

    There is plenty of money in this country .
    5% of the citizens own 48% of the wealth . 1% own 219billion euros.

    The Tanaiste begrudges and denies little children their day in the sun.
    Who among us(Christian) does not remember their First Holy Communion
    with joy and remember the efforts our parents went to for us .

    Go ahead red thumb me now ,. :)

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  • Bernie Moore 03/02/12 #
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    Dis grant is made available for those who cannot afford to clothe their children on holy communion day and confirmation day!!! I don’t see this as an argument as to wether religious occassions shud be banned or not!! Granted there are people who go overboard and abuse they system and make it look bad and the tarring with same brush applies to everyone!!! There are in fact people living in this country who cannot feed their children let alone clothe them!!! And I can understand that tax payers are angry but no point getting angry at the poor and vulnerable!!! People have a basic human right to food clothes heat etc and this rights are being violated every day!!! This government are cutting people every day, it is cut cut cut!!!! Where is it goin to end??? Instead of getting angry against our peers why not get off yer arses and challenge the government!!! They are the ones benefiting from all this they claim that everyone has to suffer to bring us try this so called crisis!! They say that as they collect their 50,000 euro expense for sitting on their holes for a few days in the year, while people have are losing Their homes, living in The dark cos they can’t pay their electricity bills, freezing in cold cos they can’t afford fuel or warm clothes!! People goin hungry!!!People having to leave Their loved ones to try and find work in other countries! People taking their own lives because they can’t see a way out of the darkness!!! This is the reality of our proud Irish country!!! there is no reason in this day and age why anyone taxpayers r people on social welfare anyone shud have to live like this while the comfortable rich ones make the decisions that are ruining our lives and turning us against each other!!!
    People fought and died to get a vote and have our say!!! Why are we lying down and taking all this crap??? We are a nation of wingers who are al talk and will blame the next person!!! We didn’t take out loans upon loans!!! We are not bankers we are by bondholders so why shud we have to pay the penalties for their wrongdoings??? Is it fair????

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    • Síomha Connolly 03/02/12 #
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      Bernie, You seem to have completely missed the point in your rant. Who on earth needs €300 or €100 for one day that they don’t even have to do?! If they can’t afford it either don’t have a first communion/confirmation or if they really want one buy or borrow a second hand dress. That will cost you €50 at the max.

      There is no basic human right to a communion or confirmation. It is a choice to do it and no person should be given money for that, it’s not an essential.

  • Bernie Moore 03/02/12 #
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    Haven’t missed the point at all!! It’s just another cut on the vulnerable!!! Holy communion and confirmation is only considered a choice if u in multi denomination schools!! And as for ” if u can’t afford to do it” If u can’t afford to buy food does dat mean u shouldn’t b able to eat!!! And I’m sure there are people who do pass down dresses and outfits! And why shouldn’t people who need the help get it!!! Catholic or otherwise!!! but do note that there were only 14000 of these payments If u check statistics I’ll more than likely see that there are a lot more families than that experiencing hardship!! But for the begrudgery of others and for reasons of pride don’t avail of this payment!!

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  • Aurfur 03/02/12 #
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    Does not one cut the cloth to suit ones pocket? Is this payment exclusive to one faith or is it payable to all faiths for broadly comparable events. If not payable to all faiths then is it legal, morally right and not discriminatory?

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  • John Delaney 03/02/12 #
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    Disgraceful, no wonder pavies have the most outlandish ‘costumes’ .
    Do Hindu and Muslims etc get the same allowance for their respective religions or is it only for the one that was beat onto us from primary. Priest asked me in boarding school if I prayed went to mass and took the sacraments?
    I was expelled on Friday evening and got one when I got home.
    I got a nickname that Friday evening in school ‘HONS’ cause I broke that fecking stick with my hands when he tried to beat me with it.

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  • Colm Mooney 03/02/12 #
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    if any of these cretins are serious about reform of social welfare heres a suggestion: issue everyone with pps number a smart card which could be used at point of sale similar to debit card; then if a person on benefits is entitled to say, clothing, footwear or fuel allowance or other such extras, they can use their card at till, the ammount spent is then debited from social protection direct to retailer. the department can assemble a list of retailers based on value for money, example school uniforms in tesco or dunnes that the card can be used in, doing away with arbitrary cash grants that bear no resemblance to value available, im working thankfully as is my wife and we outfitted our three children for school for under €100. there are also a number of small businesses that schools could contract to provide cresting services for jumpers, polo shirts etc. this process, would result in cash savings, administration improvements and the magnetic strip and a chip & pin system would enable the addition of all state benefits on this card, i.e. medical card etc. it would also be easy to update the card in the event of changes in claimants circumstances, just a thought from a voter!

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  • Seamus Balfe 03/02/12 #
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    Anyone watch the programme about the travellers communions, ridiculous. Dresses that costs thousands and jewellery. They have all heard about these allowances along with more that we never heard of.

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