Most english women that have an abortion do not give an address. If you want to stay anonymous you can, most women do. Just like alot of irish women.

Ha ha, quality!

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Priceless..

Les what’s the euro millions numbers for tonight ?

lmfao comment of the day for me I reckon

True though that may be, the morning after pill has only been available over-the-counter since January 2011. But you’re right – there may be a corresponding increase in prescriptions being administered for it in the same time. I’ll see what I’m able to dig up.

Its possible that the pill may have brought a reduction, but in the eye’s of the catholic church the pill and the condom are wrong. If they had their way we wouldn’t have either.

Anyone remember the uproar back in the 1990’s when Virgin Megastores first started selling condoms?

Pill and condom are wrong, but it’s ok to cover up child rape? Sooner the Catholic church meets it maker then better

Im not religious and I dont want abortion on demand in Ireland. You seem to not understand the issues here.

Brilliant, if you should choose to fall pregnant contentiously or carelessly, are the victim the victim of a rapist, or fall a foul of statistical reality and the evolutionary resilience of sexual intercourse to produce offspring despite contraceptive technology…. Dare I be so bold as to suggest you with your body make the choice not to have an abortion?

I suggest you apply your logic to murder or rape or any other act that influnces the existence of another human being …. FOOL

Oh…. you mean bunch of fetal cells that all respected scientists agree do not constitute a human life?

Something that despite, youth defense or any other fundamentalist hypocrite groups lies and propaganda and pictures of fetuses at near term is the size of a bean and lacks any form of sensory organs or nervous system…

An bunch of cells eh
Learn some embryology then get back to me
I would qualify as one of those scientists
I suggest you think before you type

You need to get a dictionary and a basic textbook in biology
Life is life I dont believe in a soul nor do I believe that a future is not relevant
Sorry I dont argue with uneducated fools

If the man wants her to have an abortion but she decides to keep the baby should he take part and pay his share of the child’s up bringing?

Sorry, I disagree. It takes two people to make a baby and it’s impossible to get pregnant without a man donating sperm. Therefore it is only right that the man should have as much right to determine the course of a pregnancy as a woman. If you can’t accept that then you should refrain from intercourse with men. Thankfully there are alternatives nowadays.

If a woman gets pregnant and decides to have the baby against the will of the father the law will force, not ask, force the father to pay towards the upbringing of the child. It is an acknowledgement of the fathers responsibility in creating the child. We are always told that with responsibility come rights, therefore a father must have rights in relation to the pregnancy.

Which is worse a child being sexually abused or murdered?
I wish people would think more

Married Joe? Kids? Would who have had the same opinion if your partner wanted an abortion cause “ah I don’t feel like having a baby”.

Very, very few people are that flippant about having surgery Vinny, especially an abortion.

I would hope your right David but is one not two many?

David Jordan, an expert on what motivates people he never met and on the reasons women have abortions, take a bow

You seem to be claiming to have the same abilities Vinny.

Where am I claiming the same abilities David?

Just a few examples;
Married Joe? Kids? Would who have had the same opinion if your partner wanted an abortion cause “ah I don’t feel like having a baby”.

Barry how can you say most people who say abortions are wrong are religious? The only people mentioning Religion are the pro choice people

Maybe they are someone who would give anything to have a kid but can’t, maybe its a women who’s miscarried and can’t understand how someone who have an abortion “just because they want too”.

So either you’re claiming to be an expert on what motivates people you haven’t met and on the reasons women have abortions or you’re ignorant of the such yeah remarkably still have the skill to determine weather what I’m saying is true or not. Ultimately, its my non-expert opinion against your non-expert opinion, though at less I’m willing to treat women who have had an abortion as something more then apathetic, selfish straw-women .

Ok David,

Married Joe? Kids? Would who have had the same opinion if your partner wanted an abortion cause “ah I don’t feel like having a baby”.
They are 3 Questions not an assumption of anything

Barry how can you say most people who say abortions are wrong are religious? The only people mentioning Religion are the pro choice people.

Again a question and an observation based on the postings here. Not an assumption of anything.

Maybe they are someone who would give anything to have a kid but can’t, maybe its a women who’s miscarried and can’t understand how someone who have an abortion “just because they want too”.

Again the word MAYBE says I believe it’s a possibility not a matter of fact.

And tell me where I’ve given an my opinion on abortion or how I would treat a woman who has had one?

I think your views on abortion are quite clear considering you’ve been solely playing devil’s advocate for the pro-chose side.
The faux neutrality act is getting a bit tiresome Vinny, either have the courage of your convictions to say what you think about abortion and the women who have them or be prepared for people to draw false conclusions, if they are in fact false.

So as to confirm my earlier post you now know how I feel about abortion when I myself don’t. I’ve no opinion on it either way but one thing I do know I’d wouldn’t treat any woman like a “straw woman? Funny my questions have a lot of red thumbs but not many answers

How can I have an opinion of a woman who’s had an abortion without knowing anything about her or are you suggesting I form an opinion on women who’ve had abortions and have the same opinion of all of the regardless of their circumstances?

Yes Vinny, since you’ve never said that you’re alright with abortion in certain circumstances and have solely asked loaded questions of pro-choice commenters which seem only to portray women seeking an abortion as motivated by selfishness and considering your lack of condemnation for extreme pro-life comments like M O Se’s call for women returning from having an abortion to be arrested and in fact rushing to his/her defense means that it is a rather safe assumption to make that you hold some rather strong pro-life views rather then being undecided as you claim.

Never commented on M O Se post because it wasn’t worth commenting on nor did I jump to his defence INFACT I completely ignored him and can’t believe everyone else didn’t do the same thing. I didn’t say I’m ok with abortion in certain circumstances because I’m not here to give my opinion. You never said your not ok with it in certain circumstances but have I assumed you fully support it 100% every time regardless of the circumstances NO.

Fact is I only asked simple (not loaded) questions and the most people could do is red thumb.

M O Sé- you choose to not reveal your full name, why is that? Perhaps, you’d like to join the rest of us in civilisatton and come out of that parochial house you’re staying in.

@New totwit, can’t really question someone’s decision for not revealing their name now. And does it have to be the case if someone does not agree with abortion that they must be a religious nut. Maybe they are someone who would give anything to have a kid but can’t, maybe its a women who’s miscarried and can’t understand how someone who have an abortion “just because they want too”.
There loads of reasons why people might not agree with it so maybe you should come of you high horse

Seems like defending to me and may I sugest that if you have no opinion then the comments section is not for you, I refare you to the dictionary definition of comment:
Verb
comment (third-person singular simple present comments, present participle commenting, simple past and past participle commented)
1. (transitive) To remark.
2. (intransitive, with “on” or “about”) To make remarks or notes.
3. (software) To insert comments into source code.

In the words of Dave Allen,” Thank you, goodnight and may your god go with you.”

No I didn’t defend anyone I pointed out to the other guy that people in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones.

You are not the comment police and the best way to form an opinion is to ask questions which I will do if I decide to. At least I’m not making sweeping statements about the reason behind people’s beliefs and assuming to know what motivates them.

And back to the religion with you and you “may your god be with you”. That’s all your argument has, if someone disagrees they must be religious.

Run along to bed now like a good little boy

And seriously David, stop giving your own comments the thumbs up its very childish

“no opinion the comments section is not for you” should that not read ” no opinion the opinion section is not for you”? I’m in the comment section not the opinion section

Defensive much Vinny? The line may your god go with you is an equivalent to saying god bless you.
My argument is that people are going to have abortions if there legal or not, more often then not as a result of economic hardship and that as a response we should make abortion safe and legal and introduce social programs that will help keep the need for it rare.
You on the other hand are a grown man who is asking us to believe has no opinion on a very polarized and old debate.

“Run along to bed now like a good little boy”, an ageist and desperate appeal to authority from a grown man who apparently feels invalidated by a 21 year-old.

Don’t talk bollix you know what you meant with your God comment and the run along to bed comment is to highlight how condescending you tried to be with your comment.

With regard my opinion like it or not it will be different in every case not that that needs to be explained on here to you.

Answer some of the “loaded questions” or jog on

Vinny yes I am married with kids. I love kids and if my wife asked my opinion if she wanted to have an abortion I would give her my opinion. I am pro choice and I firmly believe that the ultimate decision on abortion lies with the woman not a bunch of stupid celibate virgins belonging to a cabal of criminals.
Abortion is not a simple subject but the ultimate choice lies with the woman and I will support the woman no matter which choice they will make. I make my decisions based upon ethical and not theological grounds.

LJ there are very few people who will want to go through more than one abortion….

I don’t understand the obsession with other womens wombs. If it is not your womb then it is none of your concern.

You are talking about a very very tiny minority that might possibly view it as a form of contraception. The same hysterical argument was proposed regarding the introduction of the Morning After Pill.

There are very few people that would consider either as a sensible or preferred form of contraception. For both financial AND physical reasons.

Alison – That’s correct, but we only became aware of them today and given that they didn’t attract much reportage before now, we thought it would still be news to our readers.

Cool, thanks. Just thought I might’ve missed a new development.

Your shite posts on abortion stories are always the same.

Ever consider that perhaps she was just extremely unlucky?
Or maybe she was a particularly callous individual – in which case, would you trust her to incubate a fetus to term or to become a mother?

An abortion, from what I have been told by a couple of friends who had to travel to have them, is an extremely unpleasant experience, physically and mentally, and it wasn’t exactly cheap.
Neither would ever have chosen to do it in the first place, but really wouldn’t want to again.

I realise that you said minority – but it’s such an extremely tiny minority is it right to let that affect such a broad decision? How many women do you think are that callous? I’d be more inclined to give us a little more credit than that..

Birth control is not fail-safe.

I find it amusing that the people that say abortions are wrong are generally religious, the same organizations see birth control as wrong in the eye’s of god. So they won’t agree with you Kathleen I’m afraid.

Instead they want the unrealistic expectation of people having no sex unless they want kids,

Birth control isn’t 100% and people should have the right to choose

What about if a condom breaks? Or I’ve heard the oral contraceptive pill for women, can be less effective if someone is on another medication?

Olaf, it’s effectiveness is lessened when on antibiotics or if you’ve been vomiting. And of course, human error, if you forget to take your pill for more than 24 hours.

@ Leah – Thanks for clearing that one up for me. Maybe you can answer one more for me? Google failed me on it this time. Is this just an urban myth or is it true that there are only a limited number of times a woman can take the morning after pill before it damages her body?

No that’s an urban myth. Simple facts are it is not 100% effective and if you are taking it too often you should really look at some other form of regular contraception.

@King Olaf – it’s an Urban Myth re: The Morning After Pill. It used to be said that the more often you took it the less effective it became. I discovered recently from listening to a reproductive health doctor on the radio that this is not true.

wow 51 thumbs down and 25 thumbs up!! Twice as many people agree with abortion on demand as opposed to abortion in certain circumstances. I didn’t realise how selfish our society had become. Astounding.

Barry how can you say most people who say abortions are wrong are religious? The only people mentioning Religion are the pro choice people

The vast majority of Pro-lifers are religiously motivated, they are careful to tiptoe around that fact though and organisations like Youth Defense will usually try and use their few non-religious followers as spokespeople but their views on divorce and marriage equality tell another tale.

As I said if people learned the correct way to use birth control, the correct way is two forms ie the pill and a condom you wouldn’t have as many abortions. And if your having unprotected sex in this day and age your an idiot and deserve the std you get. I have read a lot of misinformation about birth control here and am very dismayed at the sheer ignorance being displayed. The pill when taken correctly is 99 percent effective and if you use a condom and a spermicide it impossible to have an accidental pregnancy!

Is that I suggested birth control or that I’m in favour of abortion for victims of rape and incest? No birth control is a 100percent but as I said you use it correctly which is two forms, you wouldn’t have an unwanted pregnancy.

Using a condoms (98% effective) with the pill (99.7% effective) would just drop the chance of failure from 1 in 50 to 1 in 1667, which seems small until you scale it up to a national scale and that’s assuming perfect use, with typical use the odds of failure using both messures is 1 in 833, you will never eliminate unwanted pregnancy, even sterilization can fail.
But if a woman finds herself in that situation, she should be offered the full range of support, from psychological and medical aid if she chooses to bring it to term, to abortion and all the pre- and post-op support and counseling she needs to make an informed decision and recover afterwards and she should be able to available to her in her own country rather then the hypocrisy we have now where we export our problems to Britain.
There is some confusion about what the pro-choice movement wants, we want abortion to be safe, legal and hopefully, with a good health care and social welfare systems and a sex education program that actually tells young people what they need to know about safe-sex, rare.

Couldn’t agree more.

Leah if someone is on antibiotics while taking the pill their gp tells them to use a condom for the period in question. If someone has vomited they should also use a condom for at least a week after. It’s not rocket science.

Hugh I totally agree. Was thinking the same thing.

Unfortunately @Maria, we appear to be in the minority.

It appears that a majority of Irish people think that women who recklessly become pregnant should be afforded the same legal protection as women who have pregnancy thrust upon them against their will, or find themselves in a situation where their life is at risk because of their pregnancy.

All I can say is that anyone who believes that a woman who recklessly engages in sexual activity without taking adequate and proper contraceptive protection should be afforded the legal protection of the state in terminating the life of her unborn child really should be ashamed of themselves.

Sure, if he’s willing to carry it to term.

It is a tough call for me. But if you think about it rationally…if the woman wants to have a baby, she has to (or rather should want to) keep herself fit and healthy, has to deal with mental and physical issues that may arise, she has to change her lifestyle, she has to take a step aside from her career. The after the baby, along with looking after it, most women try lose the weight they put on, they have to deal with things like post natal depression, and then get settled back into work after a recovery period.

Until the baby is born a guys life doesn’t really change much. Sure, you try earn a bit more money and you pay extra attention to your partner…but until the baby is born your life in a realistic sense doesn’t change much.

So I think considering the woman takes the pain, the health risks and the major lifestyle change. I think the decision should in most cases stay with her.

My own opinion, if I don’t want to carry a pregnacy to term then no one can force me to; including the person who helped get me pregnant. That would be an absolute violation of my rights to determine what happens to MY body.

And until there is a procedure which can transfer the pregnancy out of me into another viable vessel that’s the only way it can be.

That is a debatable stance to take on it. Reminds me of the King Solomon story. In the eyes of the law, I don’t think it will take the father of the baby in to account, because as I said when you think of it rationally, it doesn’t really affect him.

I’m not gonna tell you that you are wrong for having your views. I think that if someone is against the idea of abortion, well they shouldn’t have one then. Personally I am uncomfortable (not against it) with the idea of it, but you can be sure I won’t go around telling someone they are wrong and shouldn’t be allowed have full control over their own body.

Everyone should just take responsibility for their own actions as regards their body. If my girlfriend, did decide to have, I would talk about it and find out what the right decision for her and us would be, and make a my mind up that way. But at the end of the day, it is her body and her choice.

The church is a disgusting self serving organization that is losing its grip on power. There is no consequence for women who have had an abortion done legally in a clinic, that is pure pro church propaganda that has been disproved countless times by scientific surveys.
The days that the church can bully terrorize. lie to people and get away with it are numbered.

I hope people get the choice to decide for themselves

i hope people have the freedom of choice to choose for themselves, otherwise you ignore the rights and well being of a women.

I hope you all recognise there was a point in your lives that you too could have been aborted.

It is not illegal to travel.

@ M O Sé – Why?

M O Sé: Not sure if you’re aware, but the Irish Constitution guarantees the right of people to travel abroad for an abortion.

Gavan Reilly, clearly M O Sé chooses to ignore some laws and rights that people have and simply picks then one’s he/she likes.

M O Sé- you choose to not reveal your full name, why is that? Perhaps, you’d like to join the rest of us in civilisatton and come out of that parochial house you’re staying in.

Article 40.3.3: The State acknowledges the right to life of the unborn and, with due regard to the equal right to life of the mother, guarantees in its laws to respect and, as far as practicable, by its laws to **defend** and vindicate that right

Lock em up’

Might want to read up on the X case there M.

@M Ó Sé: You seem to have overlooked the very sentence that follows the one you quoted.

“This subsection shall not limit freedom to travel between the State and another state.”

Inserted by the 13th Amendment to the Constitution, as approved by referendum by a margin of 62-38 in November 1992 – five months after the X Case.

M O Se, you forgot the two amendments made to that article;

This subsection shall not limit freedom to travel between the State and another state.

This subsection shall not limit freedom to obtain or make available, in the State, subject to such conditions as may be laid down by law, information relating to services lawfully available in another state.

This subsection shall not limit freedom to travel between the State and another state.

Prosecuting people on their return I would think is not a limit on thier freedom to travel and would be complementary to the states responsibility to defend the unborn.

M O Se, if you arrest them on them on the way back in rather then the way out, then your not respecting their right to freedom of travel, you’re driving them into what is essentially exile, is that really what you want to do to women who have been though surgery and are probably in a very vulnerable state of mind?

@ M o se how’s things back in the 1950’s…..you know, where you are right now?

@New totwit, can’t really question someone’s decision for not revealing their name now. And does it have to be the case if someone does not agree with abortion that they must be a religious nut. Maybe they are someone who would give anything to have a kid but can’t, maybe its a women who’s miscarried and can’t understand how someone who have an abortion “just because they want too”.

There loads of reasons why people might not agree with it so maybe you should come of you high horse