give me a break!! It was always gonna be a tough budget regardless of the outcome of this referendum – politicians need to stop wasting time telling us stuff we already know…

Will you be taking a pay cut in this years budget noonan? I think you should and the rest of your party, 30% paycut at least, you will still be one of the highest paid TD’s in Europe

Your budget is already set Noonan and it’s set to kill. The only thing you’re waiting to see is what speech you will use. The “I told you so” or “imagine what it would have been like if you voted No”. It the same damn budget and everybody knows if. Smoke and mirrors from an incompetent bully. The powder monkey on the rudderless ship of Government.

A no vote would also result in keeping our dignity

He’s expecting 2.2% growth next year? The man has truly lost the plot……

Bully.

Noonan is pig headed and arrogant.

Both Noonan and Hogan are well met. Both love to bully and blackmail their voters

more like noonan fearful of his own pocket.it all bollatix and blackmail.thay should have thought about this before putting pen to paper.or chalk to slate.

We know we are in for tough budgets Noonan. Paying other people’s debt will make sure of that. Stop trying to influence the outcome of the referendum. The referendum your party tried so hard to prevent. Vote NO!

Everybody loves it when men and women well insulated against austerity, cuts and poverty threatens to inflict more austerity, cuts and poverty on them if they don’t do as they say

I’m not a Sinn Fein member or supporter, just a humble voter. One of those “peasants” you clearly hold in so much contempt Mr Noonan … and I also say that you’re trying to bully us into a yes vote.

The “debate” has been marked by the refusal of anyone in the Irish government to address the issues. The Fiscal Compact is scorned by many leading economists (no selective quotes) who believe it will lead to economic suicide for Europe. Instead of addressing these questions, you bury your head in the sand and shout about how it’s going to lead to a harsher budget if we vote No.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/16/opinion/krugman-europes-economic-suicide.html?_r=2&emc=tnt&tntemail1=y

Stop the train! I want to get off.

2.2% me arse, how can they stand by those figures again after our abysmal previous year. Especially when we will be experiencing more austerity in the next budget regardless of the fiscal compact.

It’s pure bull, lies, tripe from a failed government policy that only ensures their bosses get their money.

Pls Eire pls vote No. Make a stand for once and do the right thing!

A chewing tax will help us all out !

Michael Noonan looks like a big ugly baby in a suit

I honestly think there should be some clause where Ministers get forcibly ejected over this.

If growth is lower than expected, then cutting further would be disastrous. You are not remotely qualified to hold the position you do.

Isn’t he forgetting that there’s no guarantee we will be able to access the ESM? We may have access as a member country, access we have to front €11billion for, and have no guarantee of access to. If Spain needs it then we won’t get a look in..
Never mind the fact that they *can’t* let us fail without dragging down the whole euro. It’s cheaper to bail us out than let the contagion spread.. Without us paying off German and French banks they go down the swanney too.

Even the dogs on the street can see that this treaty does nothing to help..

We have as much certainty of accessing the ESM as we do the IMF. The yes side are relying solely on fallacy for their argument, which is why I refuse to let our constitution be affected by their nonsense ramblings..

Typical, he’s a tried and tested thick from the last time FG where in government, so the Irish thing to do is give him one of the most important ministry because it’s just crazy enough to work.

I for one am not afraid of the truth … Last night we got a glimpse of FFg/Labours attitude to our corporation Tax rate. Miceal Martin stated during the debate, the Yes camp want more Tax harmonisation in Europe. Sarkozy also called for the same harmonisation, and referred directly to Irelands corporation tax rate during the same speech. Sarkozy wants to see our Corporation Tax Rate increasing… This would see up to 300,000 more people on the dole.
Yes, we want honesty Mr Noonan… Can you spell out how Ireland will survive as a nation, if the Yes camp get their way and then sell our corporation tax rate down the swanny for another scratch behind the ear?

Noonan is an evil little leprechaun who salivates over his pot of gold. He also has the most passive-aggressive voice I’ve ever heard.

How much longer will other european leaders put up with the outrageous Td salaries while bailing them out ? a No vote might at least force the issue.Noonan you’re a pathetic little bully even uglier on the inside.

Still voting no. It’s screw Irish people and give all power and control to Germany. Get the boat. If we go down the rest of Europe goes to as if they will let that happen. Idiotic scare mongering.

He’s some hateful little troll. If he told me today was Wednesday i’d have to check my calendar to make sure the snake wasn’t lying again.

Blackmail and threaten 1 person and you’re a criminal, blackmail and threaten a whole nation and you’re a Fine Gael minister.

No to the lies
No to the blackmail

NO on the 31st.

I heard Numpty Noonan is to announce that Ireland will be kicked out of some Euro soccer cup that’s happening in Russia next month if its a NO vote!

Best case scenario: A resounding No to continuing the socialisation of bankers debts while the puppet masters in the financial institutions enforce their reprehensible austerity treaty triggers this regime to collapse leaving this bully and his ilk out in the cold. Wishful thinking I guess.

How can the goverment not know how little condifence the people of the country have in them. They have done nothing but lie think of the money we could save if we gave all of them the sack and we had 26 people up there sorting things out

Well quess what Noonan i’m voting No

He is a Rat trying to frighten Irish Citizens to give up their freedom and hand over control of our country to Europe. Does he forget our Forefathers gave up their lives in 1916 for our freedom to govern our Country. VOTE NO FOR FREEDOM. VOTE YES TO HAND UP OUR FREEDOM TO EUROPE

my thoughts exactly, had to stop reading after that. Maybe we could export him to America to help Newt Gingrich work on his moonbase?

At the outset of this treaty I was undecided, in theory it seems a good idea but how can you trust the European leaders to run it properly and after Noonan ‘s statement yesterday he has made up my mind, I’m voting NO. Noonan is nothing but a fat ugly lying cheating dictator bastard. How dare he threaten the people of Ireland and show such contempt towards us.

of course it will be hard if we vote no. but voting yes means massive cuts post 2015 and no chance of investment so we will nvr get the country back on track.our children and their children will be left in a life of poverty with no way out being run by eu. so if we vote no and eu dnt loan to us if we need then i think we are better off out. who wants to be part of a union that puts a gun to your head to get their own way?? so if they wnt loan to us which i doubt very much they would leave us high and dry no matter what gov say, there is the imf and the markets. and if they all turn their back then f**k them all and we default and leave the euro. there will be hardship but we will be in control. why would we vote yes and kick the problem dwn the road to future generations to deal with? cos they will be trapped in a cycle of poverty with no way out cos eu will be in control. i am afraid of whats in store but i am willing to suffer to give my kids a fighting chance in their future. in my opinion their future only has a chance if we vote no

Noonan is quoting his growth predictions as reality, he has had to revise every growth projection since he took office. If we vote NO and he has to (will)revise again he will just blame the voters.
This man has no soul, ask the 12 children of the late Brigid McCole!
He has no qualms about turning the screw on us.

I see noonan, but think Jaba the hut
Boonowa tweepi, ha, ha!

I call that bolloxology!

I hate to admit it but the man is right.

btw eclipse… I see your point… thats what the government sais alright… in theory they are right…. it should instill confidence.

However the government said as well
Soft landing of the housing market, no salaries over 100k, no cutting in education budget, no watercharges

And on several instances we have seen that if if Italy germany Spain Portugal Holland as much as looks at their financial status the market takes another dip.

I dont BUY in to the THEORETICAL CORRECT ASSUMPTION that this treaty is going to to what they say
ASSUMPTION is the mother of all f ups… and we are only getting the bad side of this agreement if the rest of europe collapses (Greece Spain Italy)

Eh it’s gonna be a difficult budget either which way, it will be more difficult to source funding cannot say bout the budget, if we vote no we don’t know what will happen its all hypothetical so saying there will be a difficult budget is wrong.
In reality the yes and no sides are making a shambles of this already entering tit for tat scaremongering and trying to score political points. In reality a no vote would probably result in us getting funding under the same terms OR even harsher it’s hard to tell.
Ayes vote will result in a level of short term stability but without a growth protocol and a few other issues addressed it is just kicking the can down the road. Even then however the result of a yes vote is uncertain just a tiny bit less uncertain then a no vote.
Any group that tries to tell you either vote will not lead to austerity is lying, as well as if they say it guarantees or protects services. People really need to research this on their own, there is no alternative being presented and neither side is actually fully discussing the treaty.
There is of course another elephant in the room, outside of a financial crisis the EU is on the way to a political crisis, as long as it is dominated by the national interest of the European Council the EU won’t work. Altiero Spinelli a advocate of a federal union commented that without democratisation of the Union all we are creating are impotent institutions that cannot perform or have no accountability.

Gonna keep posting this….!

When is the no side going to present the people of Ireland with a comprehensive set of proposals about how we fund schools, hospitals, social welfare, dole etc. if we vote no.

We do need that….like…. yesterday!

Do they not realise that the more they say, the worse it makes their campaign. Stop digging and let the people decide what is right for this company. Threats will not help you. We are a republic and the people will decide on their own, the road that Ireland takes as a country.

So Noonan spells it out and people are up in arms while the NO campaign refuse to articulate what a NO vote would do to this country…

It’s Official. Journal.ie is a forum for IRELAND SAYS NO on every issue – no to household charge, no to water charges, no to fiscal treaty. And a forum to call politicians in government every insulting name under the sun. Do you not all get tired of b..ching and moaning about everything??

People want the truth and when they get told the truth they don’t like it. Want to be told fairy stories instead time they grew up and faced facts.

It’s not hard.

A yes vote reduces risk to lenders and means we’re more likely to start borrowing for ourselves on the markets. If we don’t succeed, we’ve got the ESM as back up.

A no vote increases the risk to lenders and means we’re less likely to start borrowing for ourselves on the markets. If we fail, we’ve don’t have the ESM as back up.

Why should he take anything back or change what he says, the country is complaining already of the measures taken to reduce the deficit, voting no in the upcoming referendum will make life a whole lot harder. Fact.

People need to actually sit back and look at things the way they are now. No amount of protesting will change it, look at the Occupy movement. Look at Greece. It’s a debt that we all have to pay back, it’s not fair, but until politicians and other sectors are actually earning a reasonable salary we can’t change it.

Things are hard now, a no vote will make things harder. If you struggle and complain now, and vote no, you’re opting to make life harder and the hard times will be longer. People need to stop seeing the national pride and thoughts of the past and accept the only options open to us are the hard option, or the even harder option.