It all about the money, plenty of laws, not enough justice!

*it’s

Really? red thumbs for correcting an error!

We know what you meant, you don’t need to add further replies to the comment.

6years for calling garlic-apples.
Anyway how much did the 7500 peoples fines add up to surely at a cost of 2million to jail them the fines must have been pretty big or is this another sector wasting money

Actually Mr Begley was jailed not for calling garlic apples but for defrauding the state ( that is the rest of us) out of several hundred thousand euros. Jail for tax defaulters and corruption in business is not neccessarily a bad thing. Equally when someone is found guilty of an offence in court and ounished by a fine which they, don’t, won’t or can’t pay then some other form of punishment (usually a jail term) is appropriate. If not why even bother going through the legal process

Yes, there are huge problems with the level of sentancing handed out by some judges and maybe we need a change in our laws to bring in mandatory sentancing but if we have no punishment other than a fine which you may or may not pay for minor offences like say having no TV licence whats the point in even obeying the law by buying one in the first place.

plus the likes of seanie fitzpatrick or brian cowen or bertie will never do a day in the slammer for the destruction they caused.

@Aine. “Men get off for rape”. That was one case of a man paying. All men don’t rape. Some rapists serve time. Sexist much?

if you only knew the real truth with what takes place in the commercial courts you would stop paying taxes.

@dermot- please enlighten us

200k for profit ,100K for tax, 90K to “run test in Ireland”, & 10k to cover outsourcing the programming to China or India..

Has nothing to do with the judge. The penalty as handed down by the judge is set by legislation. It’s normally a fine or a set prison sentence in lieu of that fine. So typically it could be “€1000 or 3 months in lieu”. That’s how the Acts require the sentence to be structured. If the judges had a better option they’d use it.

Everyone should boycott it! You should have the choice of wether you want to watch their crap, and if you choose it, then pay for it. If not, pi$$ off away from my door and bother someone who gives a crap

Nah man, that’s not how it works. See they make you pay to listen to the biased opinion because they know better than you. Now get back in line

It’s like Stockholm syndrome.
ApF

So Con…what you’re saying is, the non Fine Gael/Labour judges won’t be implemented these laws?

No Tim, I am not saying that – my point is that Fine Gael and Labour appointed judges will not be impartial but will to a man (or woman – e.g.Labour’s Emer Costello’s sister) side with the government. They were appointed by political favour, not because of their ability.

Lets all pay no taxes and live in the magical land of fantasia where the dole is whatever you want and Angela Merkel is our benevolent fairy god mother paying for it all.

The consitution is the law,common law and no where in it dose it say you have to pay a fine for tv, tax,being drunk smoking weed and there’s lots more small fines that we don’t have to go ta jail for, common law is greater than cvil law they need your consent in civil law that’s why a cop will always say,”do you understand” the minute you say yes I understand you enter in to civil law. The only way to break common law is by harmin stealing or cause damage to someone or something. The cops oath is to up hold common law not civil law. So don’t pay your fines not unless you broke common law then pay them

John, that is by far the biggest pile of nonsense i’ve ever seen on the Journal.

You’ve been reading too many “Freeman of the Land” leaflets….

Cliff read our irish consitution not that eastern european one you grow up with .. You are the perfect example of a sheep bah bah black sheep .. The biggest pile of nonsense cliff so your telling me that we are not a common law country.. Haha your a. …. ….

First of all *you’re

Secondly…. wait, i’m not even bothered going into it. Why don’t you go write to the President stating that you are no longer beholden to the laws of the land, as far as I know that’s the bullet proof “Freeman” process

Be sure to let me know how it all works out.

Please explain cliff

No one can simply explain Cliff. He’s more of a state of mind.

Oh they didn’t like that conor did they.

Which as well as getting the fine through has been proven to reduce re-offence

For sure. At present its a complete waste of Garda and Prison Services time, money and resources. Deduct it from social welfare or pay. This is the case in mist countries, our nearest neighbour being an example.

That could never work in this country Adrian , it makes too much sense!

Or from the bankers pensions for ruining the country ;0

And politicians pensions

No judge has ever made an order for a fine to be taken from dole or salary. You see it all the time some yolk in court after drinking and and getting into a fight has no money to pay the fine but plenty to buy drink and fags. The first judge to say right deduct 20 a week for 6 months will go down in history.

Cp horan
The judge can’t take someone money if he dose then it’s robbery, and that judge would break common law himself to uphold civil law..common law is greater than civil law all the time

Swing and a miss, John.

But you still can say no I’m not paying the judge can’t make you pay or take it out of you wages.

It is humane if the fine is paid in instalments. For most people it would be a genuine lesson learned, for others it could turn them to crime like theft or burglary so they can get money to survive

@ John yes a judge can make an attachment order to a persons wages or benefit. It is done all the time in Family Courts