Yes, you’re do right and the remits keep on voting for it! Talk about lambs to the slaughter….

Where did he say that?

Just pay up and get a life. 100 euros: it’s a bargain. Stevie baby, where did we put those black sacks, we might be needing them later

At their annal love in Steve…detached arrogance that is indicitive of the political culture in this country.

Our children and grandchildren have already been saddled with this debt Dave, as our hypocritical governmen has just put off paying a chunk of our/ bankers debt till 2025. Makes a mockery of their mantra, its not our fault, the previous government saddled us with this debt.

WOT! You expect all this for FREE! It costs money to run the country you know.

@youbetterpayup……..
my point is , “i already pay for all those so called services that are supposedly applicable to the household bollox ”
or should i say the bankers tax

don’t even answer the usual Clown here Sean. Ignore it Great list and yes its all payed up. keep unfair tax phil. Epic Fail is right.

Somebody has to pay, and I’m looking at you boy.

If some one worked hard and started a business in this country employed others who are you to begrudge them their wealth that’s not right either.

Now now, no disrespect to Mr Shatter please. He’s the minister for justice ya know, and he might do a Limerick on you.

I’m not even thumbing that thick c**t youbetterpayup anymore. A55eholes are best ignored

Hear hear!!

Shafter was being very generous. Just 100 euros for a life. What a deal!

I applaud your comment Bryan and as an Irish citizen I apologise for another labotomised comment for that vegetable fg troll clone.

In recent days as matters have been heating up considerably so has the manner of verbalizing your anger.
If you keep it civil we have much more of a chance in our “NO” viewpoint.

How do you know personally that he is not dumb?

Takes one to know one.

jasus steve,
whats next from ya,
My daddys bigger than your daddy?

or
same to you with nobs on??

No, I was going to say ‘ask yer aulone’

Join the circus with meself and Steve, only 100 euros. Free black sacks!

will i tell ya wha me aul one did the other day?
she was shoutin at Phil Hogan on the TV.
She’s in her 90′s

She pointed at her posterior and let loose with
“Hogan, Take It Ourra Dis Ya Prick Ya!” :-)

Joseph your no posting comments that long on journal but I just loving your comments… Keep it up… all the best

I like Jimbo Won’t ever pay this HHC

Charles Mc Cormack.
You evidently missed my point.
But at this juncture I will refrain from sidetracking from the issue at hand.

Steve, grow up and stop carrying the party line will ya?

It’s not going to fund our local services, it’s bailing out corrupt bankers.
If anything closes our local services, it’ll be the complete mismanagement of our banking and political sectors.
This tax will continue to grow for years until it reaches the thousands.

If it actually helped local communities, it wouldn’t be half as bad!

yes steve, you are labotomised for sure.

Mike Scott
well it looks to me like there are 805000 arseholes in ireland who have already paid
and when the new treaty is voted on then you will find out just how fucking stupid the paddy really is

Ignorance is bliss.

How exactly am I ignorant Steve?

Steve means he is blissfully ignorant.

By not understanding the ramifications of not widening our tax base to fund our country. We’re broke, being kept alive by foreign money and some can’t seem to grasp that fact. I suspect that those not paying think the grass is greener however the money will be collected whether we like it or not. This is no protest, its civil disobedience at its lowest form led by a handful of leftist attention seeking populists.

Things are shit, we all know their shit, but some of us see the bigger picture here. We all need to pay our way to close the €17bn shortfall in tax we need EACH YEAR to balance the books.

Burn the bondholders? Would make feck all difference to our budget defecit. Tax the rich? Would be a drop in the ocean. Default? Would be economic suicide.

These are all facts by the way.

@Steve Jackman How would ‘burning bondholders’ not save money ? Part of the €17bn shortfall you mentioned is to service debt – we borrow money, as instructed by the EU/IMF, to pay unsecured bondholders among other things. The unsecured bondholders in Eircom have just seen €1.7bn written off – that’s the way capitalism is supposed to work.

when the G starts leading from the front
ill think about scraping up some cash.
It will never take the form of a household tax tho, for me anyhow.

but right now, there is no real leadership,
just a bunch of yes merchants, leading from the rear.

when they stand up and be counted,
i will then.

Yeah Steve, we could do a much better job of protesting than these leftie twats but like you I prefer the “Stevie facts” from planet FG.

Rather than burn the bond holders just cancel the bonds and reissue with ‘emergency issue economic bonds’ in which the priciple amount without interest is not repayable until favourable economic times (if ever). Simple

I used it to pay my son’s leaving cert fee of €116.

Donated it? How does that work?

i donated to crumlin childrens hospital sent off my credit catd recept dan wit it on it lol im nt been smart but id rather see a good cause get it dan those ****kers

well done Laura I get your meaning and i admire it.

Life is inherently inequitable. No taxation system can ever be 100% fair. The less well off have been outside of the tax net for a long time and we have one of the most generous social welfare systems in Europe so I fail to see how asking everyone to stump up €100 is such a big deal.

Fail to see is failing to see…..

Life is inherently inequitable???

so long as you hold that belief
it will always be a self fulling prophesy.

when do u get ur material from?
sounds like the stuff of comic books

Folks I would just ignore Steve and his work buddy youbetterpayup they have nothing intelligent to contribute, mainly because they are incapable of logical thinking. But mainly because they are getting paid by the dept of Environment to troll here.

steve you are so illogical I “fail to see” how thick you can be.,

We already know where you live. The 100 euros is for my personal circumstances. Geez, get a life and just pay it will ya.

To “Stray Mutt”, your kind of ignorance goes to explain the anti-British undercurrent here and sectarian bigotry in the North. “English occupation”,?? Check you history and get your facts correct before posting. In 1166, Mac Murchada,deposed King of Leinster,invited,(pleaded with,!!), King Henry 2nd to invade and help him regain his Crown,!! The English NEVER attacked/invaded Ireland as an act of war. They were invited, liked it, and just tarried awhile,!!

Absolutely right. It is basically just a vast data mining operation, which YOU are being asked to pay for, in order to compile a databank which can be used to levy even bigger and worse taxes. The €100 is your fee to make a stick to beat your own back.

Within two years it will be almost €2000 they will be demanding via water charges (using the database that payers are creating); and they will have you for any future stealth taxes they can dream up.

Furthermore, if you read the wording of the form, you can see it involves acknowledging you are the householder and that you are liable not just for this €100 tax, but for all future such taxes. You are entering into a contract to pay.

Now, to me paying a fine of even €2500 once off sure is better than paying €2000 a year for the rest of my life, not to finance local services but to pay off bondholders and banksters who wrecked the country and should, under the laws of the market, be taking the fall.

@ Charles McCormack
It was an Anglo Norman Invasion not ‘English’ by King Henry the 2nd under the authority of Pope Adrian IV who wanted to bring the Irish Church under more direct control of Rome. It was more essentially a papal invasion by an oppressor still at large in the throughout the land. The similarities to the usurpation of administrative authority by the current European establishment is uncanny with the exception that the name MacMurchada along with his court could be replaced by Kenny and his government. Oh, and by the way, the Anglo Normans were planning to invade anyway. MacMurchada (Kenny!) just saw his chance and went along with it out of self interest. History really does repeat itself!

Bit off topic, but Charles you should get your facts straight. The NORMANS were invited in, and never managed to gain full control over the island. The BRITISH (who history records is a distinctly different group) decided that they inherited the lands of the Normans and decide to invade militarily. Notably most Norman lords…wait for it…resisted the British invasion militarily along with their Gaelic neighbours. So how is that in your mind not an occupation?

Back on topic I’ve always said a property tax makes economic sense but only when the government leads by example and starts taking the hit themselves. The people of Ireland have paid and suffered enough as it is. Not one more red cent wasn’t it FG?

Maybe not as ‘off topic’ as you might think Jason! The old Gaelic order paying taxes to the the new Anglo Norman Lords – ring a bell?

Steve! Don’t give up! How will we fund the septic tank inspections?

steve,
i appreciate ur input.
sorry if ive said anything too unpleasant to you.

i understand that u believe that u are acting in the best interest of the country.
this whole thing is horrible,
its adding yet anther wedge between people.

all the best to you.

see ya on a different thread

Thanks Joseph.

Do you want some cream for that back-flip Steve?

You’re on a roll today, Joe. Great comments. I still haven’t paid & Steve – I don’t like the exemptions. I argue that everyone needs to make a contribution. Start from the top. Slash all TDs pay. Our Taoiseach on what ? E200k a year. Why ? Thought we were broke. The Mahon findings are shocking in every sense of the word. Read other day Pee Flynn’s Mrs is on a nice little nixer growing trees from a farm she bought with “that” cheque & she is receiving tax payers money for that. Up to E100k so far. FFS !! I’m making a stand on this & will gladly pay up when politics from the top down has been cleaned up, everyone makes a contribution. NO exemptions. I’m no “lefty” btw.

well Steve I wish you well and unfortunately that a55hole who will remain nameless who pretends to support you with imbecillic comments did you no favours.

“I’m your man”?? And there was I thinking you are a duck. @youbetterpayup be afraid, be VERY afraid :)

Quack Quack

yes exactly. there shouldn’t have been a pane of glass left on that march to protest. Violence does have a place. Every single country who fought for freedom has to use violence.

Increased tax base means everyone pays something for the services that they use…why can’t you see the logic in that?

Suppose, a people rise in revolt. They cannot attack the abstract constitution or lead an army against proclamations and statutes…Civil disobedience has to be directed against the salt tax or the land tax or some other particular point — not that that is our final end, but for the time being it is our aim, and we must shoot straight. – Gandhi-
Mahatma Gandhi, along with many members of the Congress Party, had a long-standing commitment to nonviolent civil disobedience, which he termed satyagraha, as the basis for achieving Indian independence. Gandhi saw “an inviolable connection between the means and the end as there is between the seed and the tree. He wrote, “If the means employed are impure, the change will not be in the direction of progress but very likely in the opposite. Only a change brought about in our political condition by pure means can lead to real progress.”
Satyagraha is a synthesis of the Sanskrit words Satya (truth) and Agraha (holding firmly to). For Gandhi, satyagraha went far beyond mere “passive resistance” and became strength in practicing nonviolent methods. In his words:
Truth (satya) implies love, and firmness (agraha) engenders and therefore serves as a synonym for force. I thus began to call the Indian movement Satyagraha, that is to say, the Force which is born of Truth and Love or nonviolence, and gave up the use of the phrase “passive resistance”, in connection with it, so much so that even in English writing we often avoided it and used instead the word “satyagraha”.
Ref- From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The USC and taxes pay that steve

I don’t think it does Jimbo (unless they increase it which I suspect they might have to now).

yes steve, i hope all the spongers in the dail, the banking elite
the corrupt politicians who happily take their pension every week from US

yes, steve i hope they’re happy with reduced services for everyone else.

selfish bastards, i fully agree

Steve, how dare you call me a sponger. You know nothing about me, or indeed about the vast majority of people who are taking a stand against this unfair tax on our homes. I am prepared for whatever is thrown at me for my refusal. That is the essence of protest, not sponging. I don’t insult you because of your choice to conform and pay up. There are a lot of derogatory terms that might apply but to use them would be to disrespect your right to act according to your conscience and free will. Please afford the same respect to those who disagree with you. By all means argue the toss about the consequences of the various courses of action but name calling is puerile. Big nose.

Steve Jackman.
I resent much of your viewpoint.
Especially where you claim that attention seeking lefties are behind this.
You could not be further off the mark.
At this stage everyone knows that the household charge is a precursor to the property tax.
Property tax will probably hit you when implemented.
And you can bet that it will be a lot more than a 100 Euro.
Austerity in the near future will hit every class of cItizen in Ireland.
NOT JUST LEFTIES

Padraig, if you don’t pay your tax but are happy to use local services then you my good friend are a sponger.

We’re seeing reduced services as it is & have been doing so for some time

Padraig: be careful – you don’t know what Stevie could throw at you.

@Steve & Joseph
Well said lads, it’s about time they gave some of our money back, they’re bleeding us dry.

I borrowed (remortgaged) heavily in the boom years to finance expansion of my business. Now, business is still doing well, but I’m struggling to make repayments on my loans (on which I am not entitled to tax relief) because of the shifting of the goalposts re income tax. I employ 14 people, work 65-80 hour weeks, earn (on paper) a good living, but have nothing left after loan repayments and all the extra tax. I haven’t taken any time off or had a holiday in 18 months. There’s a very real risk I may lose my house.
I feel that the shift in the tax landscape is very unfair to me personally, BUT I’m still paying income tax because:
1) it’s a legal requirement
2) it’s my civic duty
3) I don’t get to pick and choose which bits of the tax base suit me and which don’t.
Stop whining and pay, and perhaps our grandchildren won’t get saddled with the results of OUR generation’s profligate excesses

jim,
whether its your civil duty to pay it is very debatable.

as for your stop whining and just pay it comment,
i wont say anything as my post would probably get deleted,
but if i were to say anything it would probably be along the lines
of preforming an explicit act upon yourself.

and yes, you do get to pick and choose some bits
if you don’t want to pay road tax, don’t drive.
if you don’t want to pay tv license, get rid of ur tv.

a tax on someones home? what choice there?
get stuffed hogan, FG/LAB

we pay USC. income tax,vat, duty etc etc etc

and with all of this,
NOT 1 POLITICIAN OR BANKER CONVICTED

@ Steve: “…., if you don’t pay your tax but are happy to use local services then you my good friend are a sponger”. In that case you are a sponger too, because you have been using local services for a good few years and only paid your tax sometime from January this year.

Spongers? Well in comparison to my friends in other countries, we pay the USC (which is double taxation), increased car tax, pay for health care weather it be a trip to the doctor or to A & E, increased VAT, inflated stamp duty and VRT and these are only the things that spring to mind. Meanwhile you have the fat cats who sit in the Dail for 35 weeks a year. They are on inflated stupid salarys, stupid expences of ink for printers and the rest, and to make matters worse the people are exempt from paying the household charge! And I will now ask you Steve, do you think that this is fair? You have the likes of SINN Fein’s Dessie Ellis who earns €92,000 a year and he lives in a council house. This is also right in your world Steve isnt it. You have the likes of Fine Gael TD Noel Harrington from Cork South West. He was given over €53,000 in expenses…..€53,000. Steve, I also drive from Dublin to Cork every week.It doesnt cost me €53,000. Considering that Neol Harrington only has to be present in the Dail for 90 days a year, does it not seem a bit steep??? Wake up and smell the coffee Steve, you are the fool that is being taken for a ride but how dare you call the people who are standing up for what they belive in to be spongers.

All of us “spongers” already have reduced services as a direct result of this governments policies. My bins have not been collected this year, I have paid greyhound still no service, and I just cannot afford the household charge or any other charge. Spongers, in my experience are genuine people who just cannot pay any more. Unlike you Steve spongers live in the real world and if I had an ivory tower like yours, to look down on ordinary folk and form uneducated opinions about their lives, €100 Euro would not be a big deal to me either. Try paying €100 when you are left with €45 a week to feed a family of four. I suppose the fact that I have to “sponge” dinners from family and friends so the kids don’t go hungry makes me a terrible person and really I am so selfish not paying the charge Steve. Fuck off back to your tower and pass your judgments, tosser.

Jaysus Steve your so, yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaanw interesting ……..

The fact that you buy the Irish Times says all I personally need to know about you.

If the local authorites used the money wisely I might consider paying up, mine are useless they sit in their vans smoking and then drive slowly back to depo wasting 40 mins ever day which works out as an extra weeks holiday a year!We have no street lights, no pavements roads like farm tracks to get anthing done is like pulling teeth when they get their act together send me a bill and I’d pay. As for paying taxes we are middle income earns paye and have been hit the hardest we now pay 10% of our wage in tax whch used to be 2% and we earn less than €300 a week so why should we pay the same as someone on €900? They can reduce our services wouldn’t notice any difference !!!

you are a right fg clone aren’t you. were you labotomised by any chance?

You can’t get blood from a stone john.

Don’t fight city hall. Just pay. We’ll be looking for more blood er money next year so get used to it.

I think your sarcasm is being lost on people here! It’s givin me a laugh though. I’m not paying by the way.

By registering you give consent to the government to apply other taxes in the future in relation to your property.
BEWARE!
The biggest lie ever: “I have read and agree to the terms of use.
.
Have you ??

Whose. We?? If u can’t use your real name and hide behind some trolling your not very good and simply not a good person. Entitled to your opinion if you want people to get a life dude get a name

Is that your real name? Sorry buddy.

again people the best way to deal with fg clones like youbetterpayup is complete and utter ignoring. treat it as if its invisible and don’t bother even commmenting or pressing any thumbs up or down. the little clone likes attention.