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Government to hire private companies to find work for long-term unemployed

Leaked bailout documents reveal new Department of Social Protection plans to get longstanding jobseekers back to work.

Unemployed people wait to sign on at a Social Welfare office in Finglas. 187,144 people have been on the Live Register for over twelve months.
Unemployed people wait to sign on at a Social Welfare office in Finglas. 187,144 people have been on the Live Register for over twelve months.
Image: Leon Farrell/Photocall Ireland

THE DEPARTMENT of Social Protection is pursuing radical new plans to hire outside companies to identify training and job initiatives for Ireland’s growing numbers of long-term unemployed people.

Leaked European Commission documents seen by TheJournal.ie reveal that the government is finalising a tendering procedure to set up links with private companies who will be tasked with finding “labour activation measures” for some who have been out of work for extended periods.

The Department hopes to roll out the scheme by the end of October 2013 at the earliest, a process which representatives from Brussels says needs to be sped up as much as possible.

The moves follow sustained Troika criticism of Ireland’s welfare system, with previous European Commission reports criticising Ireland’s “broadly flat and open-ended unemployment benefits” which remain static irrespective of how long someone has been claiming them.

Though the Irish government has introduced some measures which see jobseekers lose their benefits if they turn down offers of work or training – with 1,275 jobseekers losing their benefits in the first four months – the Troika lenders are fearful that not enough is being done.

Individual profiling of Dole claimants “offers more tailored support and is an essential component of the labour activation policy”, the leaked report states, before adding that it is “crucial” to have long-term claimants engaged in labour activation as soon as possible.

Otherwise, it says, there is a risk that the long-term unemployed face an “increasing risk of complete marginalisation from the labour market” – at the same time as depleting resources within the government make it harder to continue profiling.

Contractors will be paid only if successful

It is proposed that the private companies signed up for the scheme will be paid on a ‘payment-by-results contractor model’, meaning there is no cost to public funds if the initiative does not result in any long-term jobseekers being taken off the Live Register.

Though the government expects the process to be potentially up and running by October, the Troika fears that this may not be quick enough to stop the gap between employers’ needs and the skills held by jobseekers from becoming “entrenched” and permanent irrevocable.

This would mean that “human capital is forsaken”, the report says, arguing that similar private-sector measures have worked well in other EU countries and would “usefully complement” the services being supplied by Intreo, the government’s new combined welfare and training service.

“In order to ensure optimal outcomes, the procurement process will need to be as competitive as possible,” the leaked document says. “The performance of providers should be monitored in the future, with the low-performing ones eliminated from the market.”

The most recent Live Register figures, for December 2012, show that 187,144 people were classified as ‘long-term’ claimants and had been signing on for 12 months or more.

That number represented 44.2 per cent of all people signing on at the end of last year, up from 41.6 per cent at the end of 2011, when the overall numbers on the Live Register were about 12,000 higher.

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Comments (133 Comments)

  • Ah is this not what FAS is meant to do?

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  • Well there will be about 180 jobs coming up soon in Leinster House.
    I bet a lot of the long term unemployed are more qualified to do that job then most of the incumbents.

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  • This is great. We need to get all those hundreds of thousands of available jobs filled as soon as possible.

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    • Surely, JobBridge has already taken care of this problem? #Itsdeadly

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    • Well it’s been a good way for civil services to get people do a full week’s work for 50 quid on top of whatever they could get on “welfare” before that (definitely no job at the end of that as they have a recruitment ban). Shame as the new people with a little training and lots of self-motivation probably have more potential than the stock that exists in some of those positions.

      I do feel it could be a good route for some though if there are ACTUAL jobs in that sector afterwards.

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  • Hire some people on the dole to fill these positions. Instant success guaranteed. You can give my consultancy fee to charity!

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  • This is an ideological decision. Up to the 1980s governments in this country had a policy of creating jobs – directly. Not just civil and public service jobs but local authority , direct labour and even Christmas relief work. Instead of employing private companies (probably the same type currently employed in debt collection agencies) why can the government not employ people directly? The answer is there is no reason other than an ideological one. The EU / IMF and the state have decided to favour private businesses and allow them increase their profits by driving wages down through the creation of a vast pool of unemployed. In the past it was not just socialist states which strove for full employment and employed people directly – even Roosevelt did it in the US during the 1930s with his “New Deal”. Those employed helped rebuild the country and paid taxes. This latest idea, if it is implemented, is the creation of a Chain Gang. As referenced by a previous contributor, being unemployment is now equated with being a criminal. According to this new-speak, if you’re unemployed you must be lazy, feckless and criminal. No mention of a failed government who preside over unemployment almost five times what Jack Lynch said was a resigning matter in the 1970s (“if unemployment reaches 100,000 I will resign”). If only the 430,000 unemployed and the almost 2 million in work but burdened with the rich man’s debts would realise what power they have. If only they realised that they are the same and are not enemies. Then we could have a real fight back. Perhaps this new Chain Gang might open enough of their eyes. To quote Padraig Pearse:
    Beware of the thing that is coming, beware of the risen people
    Who shall take what ye would not give.
    Did ye think to conquer the people, or that law is stronger than life,
    And than men’s desire to be free?
    We will try it out with you ye that have harried and held,
    Ye that have bullied and bribed.
    Tyrants… hypocrites… liars!

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  • How about we sack the entire governemt,disband all the local councils and have an autocratic government.The sheer amount of money the machinery of government guzzles is unreal for a 26 countu state.Put their wages into growth.

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  • they could learn a lot from people who can live on 188 euro a week!

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  • two questions. A private company gets to see personal information what safe guards are put in place? just like this new biometric card scam no safe guards announced. like who will store this info a private compant or a government dept.? the info on it who can access it like a person in the local post office who you will have to hand it to get your entitlement will the be able to see all info on the card. no safe guards shouldnt be done simple as. another erosion of our civil liberties.
    question 2 what part of recession do the not understand? unemployment was at or as near to zero during the boom with long term unemployed then being classed as unsuitable for work due to a multiple of reasons (any way not important) and then we have the bust and it jumps to 400,000 and 10′s of thousands gone from our shores so it shows the only thing that interfered with people getting a job is the fact that there is no jobs.
    Another meaningless exercise in optics if the put pressure on the banks to loan some money it would be better I know several would start a business if the could get funding so must be loads throughout the country.

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    • yes, & despite your correct second point, there’s still a bunch who insist that the 400 000+ are made up of large groups of lazy scroungers.

      its clear that Ireland is a very divided society.

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    • Scroungers are the minority not the majority.

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    • some no doubt, but it’s constantly overstated, and is far from an issue that if resolved (which is impossible in my opinion) would not really help the situation that much. It is more of a basic distraction tactic that can easily trick people into thinking it makes sense to have issue with it, much like immigration.

      This is nasty politics directed at some of those who have lost the most in this ‘recession’.

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  • Wow now that’s radical…. Who would have thought eh.
    Probably a quango set up to advise a quango to come with the idea….

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  • Where will they find the jobs for so many unemployed. Unrealistic political propaganda. Without growth there will be no jobs! Manufacturing gone east for cheap labour. Finance laying people off by the week. Domestic economy bled dry. The fundamentals of GNP tell a tale of woe that frankly I struggle to see any light at the end of the tunnel for quiet some time.

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  • What a stupid idea.

    Just shows they have no idea what they are doing

    These tenders & companies will be costly.

    Why not just create a few sustainable jobs in infrastructure with the money instead, would be money well spent.

    Is their policies that are destroying any possibility of reducing dole figures, destroying the conditions for the real economy to grow thus creating jobs.

    Looks like an attempt to be seen to be doing something, while actually doing the one thing they’re good at, wasting money like its fashionable.

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  • Julie 11/01/13 #

    I and the majority of people I know are not emigrating for the fun of it we have no choice! Enough of the people are better off on the dole, 90% of people on dole don’t want to be their and have more than likely worked all their lives, technically just claiming back what they put into the system. Majority of people on the dole are living in next to near poverty. There are the few that have sponged off the state FF are to blame for not doing anything about this when jobs were available. Stop slating people on social welfare most didn’t choose to be there and want a job but……………

    THERE ARE NO JOBS

    ENOUGH AUSTERITY WE NEED GROWTH TO CREATE JOBS TO SORT THIS PROBLEM!

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    • chilli16 11/01/13 #

      Julie. Where do you live? There are some retail jobs going in Sligo but I don’t know if this is of any use to you. :)

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    • Julie 11/01/13 #

      No no use to me I am too far away , I have an honours degree in business management , Ní jobs for me ! Working here my taxes going into banks and German bonds and fat cat politicians and bankers that have no idea how to do their jobs , while my fellow Irish citizens suffer, I’m leaving these shores very soon along with the rest of my classmates that graduated in June.

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    • Julie there are a fair few decent and very well paid jobs for your degree in Sydney and Brisbane,better than that dump across the water.

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    • MVM 11/01/13 #

      @julie off your high horse with your honors degree and get a job doing anything and pay tax

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    • Julie 11/01/13 #

      Oh how quickly you jump to conclusion that I don’t work, I work partime bartending so what I cost the state Is minimal, saving every penny of that to get out of ere also my parents paid for my honours degree. I studied long and hard for it so I am entitled to someday get a decent paid job. I was and never will be on a high horse unlike the shower that are running the country!

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    • Julie 11/01/13 #

      When you jump to conclusion that i don’t work of course I am going to respond, I wish you all the best with your business and think it is great you are working but just don’t be giving out about people forced out of work it not fair.

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    • Julie you’re being more than generous to that oaf.

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    • chilli16 11/01/13 #

      Julie best if luck in oz and hope someday you get the opportunity to return here. P.s love my two red thumbs for informing people of jobs. I work in retail and have for 23 years and I’m proud of it. No degree for me as my parents couldn’t afford college but I’m paying my way and a lot of others, Banks, bondholders and yes some of my taxes are towards people on socIal welfare but I in no way begrudge it to those who deserve it.

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  • So if you are living in Mayo and they find work for you in Waterford for pittins i would imagine if you do not take the job your struck off .Companies who get paid on a results basis could find a job for you anywhere doing anything ok if you are single but alot of people on the dole are former working men women with families what is the agenda behind all this.The country is going to be ripped apart and the only ones seem to be getting the blame is the people who went along with the lies they were fed and now it seems it is there fault for believing them.I have a brother who works sixty hours a week he is living in kerry but has to work in longford he’s rate has been cut by 20% he gets no mileage has to pay for his own digs and is working a job two men should be doing has a wife who is working for nothing and 3 young children to look after aswell he has 20euros for himself after 60 hrs if he is lucky.I myself have worked since i was 16 non stop i am 34 now on jobseekers a year and have been pulled into fas every month asking me have i got a job yet ill be cut pretty soon but i say cut away because there is no work and i am not a slave so when i am broke and hungry i will be out n about like many more doing things to feed myself .People working insist people unemployed are scroungers well we will see how this one unfolds.

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    • Jack

      What about the unemployeed parents with no form of transport other then foot or a bike. How could they be expected to take up a job at the minimum wage in a town 10km away?

      The only people who will find actual work from these “private companies”, will be the employees of these companies.

      But at least the failed teachers can tell the Troika they are creating a business friendly environment.

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    • Its all about the stats Culm if you are offered something and do not take it your screwed i will bet they offer jobs to people knowing dam well they cannot take it but hey there was a job there and you said no so therefore were cutting or striking you off welfare surely people can see what is coming over the years surely it is not going to go away its here to stay.

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    • It’s all going to be about jigging the stats. I remember several schemes that various governments have come up with to make it look like less people were out of work than there actually were. Where did this Live Register come from? I remember initiatives to increase part-time jobs at the expense of full-time jobs to “create jobs” – and get people into part time work so that they could be crossed off the list, despite still needing some income support because their hours are so few.

      People have been encouraged to set up their own business under a Back To Work Enterprise Allowance. That sounds like a brilliant idea. Get unemployed people to create work for themselves and hopefully others – in the meantime you receive a social security payment (as it was until they renames it “welfare”) but don’t appear on the live register. Only then if you haven’t magically drummed up business that doesn’t exist, your entitlements are reduced to very little because you went “self-employed” in this time.

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  • I’m betting these guys already have the contract. http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xwg0up_atos-secret-filming_news#.UOddHqwa-xM

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  • There will no doubt some brother in law of some fg big wig signing up a company to find work for the unemployed as we speak at an extreamly high charge to the irish tax payer as we speak.

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  • When the private hyenas call for fresh meat our Govt must see to their needs & at the same time neatly abdicate the responsibility’s again, bins,water,driving license & health care to follow when the cackle demand feeding, we are being feed bit by bit to those with the sharpest teeth.

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  • Another quango by the government are they getting rid of fas.if fas are not doing there job then close it down and let this new company find them jobs.does anyone really think that the unions will let this happen.there simply a shortage of jobs out there at the moment full stop.training courses won’t work either not enough courses and training venues are not in every town so that is a non starter aswell.

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  • Some seriously narrow minded people post here,get off your high horses and see if you can survive with the bare amount received from the dole when you have a family with children.a new method does need to be implemented to employ the long term unemployed agreed and personaly I welcome any ideas they propose,but reading some of the comments above you should be ashamed at yourselves.I genuinely hope you lose your jobs and end up on the poverty line like some of us are at the moment,then you might understand a bit better…not all long term dole claimants are ‘spongers’.
    Sanctimonious fools.

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    • Those posters are an example of how the Govt have split the people and they were the first to be taken in by Govt propaganda designed to get Irish citizens at each others throats, public Vs private Vs elderly Vs unemployed Vs sick Vs healthy, All Govts know that they can do as they like once they instill fear in a divided people.

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    • It is not a new method that is needed but adequate funding and resources for the companies that were set up to do this job originally. Successive governments have reduced funding and not allowed Local Employment Service Networks to replace staff for so long that these companies struggle to provide any functions agreed under their original terms. These organisations are being restricted more and more by government every day. Bringing in private contractors to fulfill these functions will put several hundred staff out of work before they even start. The people behind all the statistics mean nothing to this government and the people struggling to provide support and guidance to the long-term unemployed mean nothing to the Department of Social Protection (Who are they protecting????)

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  • MVM…I regard “@martin,Tesco are always hiring or are you to good for a job like that.” to be a personal response, based on no knowledge of me, other than what I shared in my initial reply. If you want to make that kind of lazy, ill-informed and personal comment you have to be prepared for the fact that you leave yourself open to be asked a personal question. And yes, I am very well aware that I will probably have to re-train, since it’s been my experience that the retail sector is hiring young blood…lower costs.

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  • They will be doing well to get the pyjama brigade up off their holes!

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  • The detail is interesting but it’s not news that private companies will be involved in “activating” the unemployed. The Department has been flagging this for quite some time, though it seems to have gone completely under the radar of the ever vigilant media.

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  • Are these companies gonna be hiring here r ship their own workers in and take more money out of the country?

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  • Bloody bondholders….

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  • http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056836924&page=2

    wot next.. private security authorized by kenny o reilly and the rest of the reps..

    travesty.. trust this lot.. ARE YOU NUTS?

    NO NOT I…

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  • E D 11/01/13 #

    Better of raising the minimum wage and doing away with all of the extra benefits that the career unemployed get, like free life if you don’t want to work, I live in a high unemployment area, the kids come out of school here and just see it as a way of life, they are educated to be free thinkers, then when they size up their options its easy to see why some lower earners choose to be career unemployed.
    People who want to work will find work, this idea is nuts.

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  • Its not an easy task TBF.

    The Long Termers had access to a greater range of benefits compared to those who have recently found themselves unemployed.

    Accordingly the point at which its worthwhile taking a job offer (for a family) is probably around 50k-ish Per year.

    Few if any Long term unemployed will have the qualifications / experience to secure that income.

    So, considering there is little “carrot”, there needs to be a little “stick” for this to be a success.

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  • 18,869 unemployed in county Donegal and 44 real jobs for Donegal on FAS website….what we need is for the government to stop squeezing the domestic economy dry!! The government may be happy with an export driven economy but the majority of us depend on the domestic economy.

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  • Come summer the live register will grow again with many students joining the system I’m on BTEA and I’d give my right arm to be working and earning a wage but to be fair it’s about time somethin is done cause I have to sign on in the summer and its the same people signing on and I’m been laughed at cause I’m in college doin somethin with my life while they r boasting bout how easy they have it

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  • Sorry last sentence should start with ‘Cut Politicians, etc. numbers……….

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  • MVM 11/01/13 #

    I couldn’t blame anyone on the dole,rent paid and 200e a week plus anything else they can claim and free to do feck all 7days a week for BUT working on minimum wage would make 360e for a 40h week and nearly struggle..I do understand there are people who do need help but most are milking the system

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    • You get ?188(provided your over 25) you cannot get add ons to that unless you are getting disability, you still have to add money to any rent allowance so in fairness stop propelling the myth that your somehow well off on the dole

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    • Then you haven’t taken this option because…. (insert your self-righteous, self-sacrificing image of yourself being one of the good guys, the “strivers” of this world here)…

      Perhaps its because you couldn’t lose your job if you tried… Perhaps you have tried…. alot.

      Funny how people realised they could live in such blessed tranquillity on the dole only when there weren’t jobs for them to take. Why did all those half-a-million “skivers” not realise this when they were working away so furiously with everyone else in the boom and dole was more than it is now?

      Life is no peach without a job. If you think people on the dole don’t have money and other worries much more serious than your own then try it out.

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    • @Wynner – unless you’re in a couple – each of you will get €153. If one of you works, you get nought.

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    • 2 lads I went to school with have been on the dole since the day they finished school, the pair of the keep doing fás courses too say on the dole.

      I left school 11 Years ago.

      It’s about time the government sort something out about moochers like this.

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    • MVM didnt say anything about genuinely unemployed people.If you have no skills why would you work a monkey job for minimum wage when you get paid more NOT to.People i know havent worked a day in their lives,rent paid,holidays abroad,paid to go to college while i paid 15 grand ojt of my own pocket.Bring back food stamps.

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    • MVM 11/01/13 #

      I’m not giving out about the lads living off everyone else’s hard earned tax money really I couldn’t Give a shite,really fair play to the scroungers and parasites with no motive in life..most of them can’t be arsed working sure why would they when everything’s free..
      Go into any council estate and have a look nearly all have a flash car,50in TVs,sky tv then some idiot like you trying to say its hard on the dole

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    • MVM 11/01/13 #

      its funny,mention people on the dole having to do something and there’s up roar..

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    • MVM 11/01/13 #

      @wynner you get 188 from when you are 21,still I’d make the long term lads on the dole clean streets ditches and anything else I could think of and I bet there would be lads getting jobs to beat the band..

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    • This is the narrow minded type of fool im talking about, you really need a smack in the face of reality.Im guessing your one of the ‘Ive got a job so im better then everyone else’ type of people, if not reading your comments leads me to believe you are.
      I really hope one day you suffer poverty and cant get employed ANYWHERE, all this barking about theres lots of jobs out there, tescos, macdonalds etc, fact is there isnt,.and if a position does come up there is around 40 people going for the job.
      So explain to me how that is milking the system you ignorant fool, if there is not a substantial amount of work how can you employ the unemployed?
      Go back to your desk and your nice paid job, it might not be there forever.

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    • @ Joe Stodge. Bully for them. Let’s just assume your story is genuine.. 11 years unemployment even in the boom and what have they got to show for it? How can you think that this is the normal case for people on the dole?

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    • @ MVM – you’re one of those people who begrudges everyone else. So your opinion is laughable.
      I think it’s a joke and quite sad for you that you actually begrudge people who are worse off than yourself. Whatever loony land you live in that envies people on the dole certainly doesn’t include you having any knowledge of what it’s like to lose your job and not be able to get another one.

      Even the examples that you conjure up of people living the life of Reilly in estates are just fancies that you heard from a mate of your sister’s dog.

      Here’s another one. Someone the other day told me that their friend saw someone get on a bus and leave a buggy on the side of the road because they can get another one off the State. That person must have been getting around because I’ve heard that story half-a-dozen times here and in the UK for 20 years. I’ve never once seen an abandoned buggy though.

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    • Yep, tis true I’m afraid. Pair of dopes are “musicians” which means they just do drugs and collect the dole.

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    • Julie 11/01/13 #

      You get 144 until you turn 25 get your facts right

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    • Also I’ve been on the dole, I was on it for nearly a year. I got a job not doing what I done during the boom but a job. yes I struggle to pay all my outgoings on my current wage, but it’s a job and yes there is work out there. Some people just aren’t willing to take a step down so they can stand back up eventually.

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    • MVM 11/01/13 #

      Attack me all yous want its BACK TO WORK FOR IRELAND

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    • Julie 11/01/13 #

      No one is attacking you , just stating what you have made pretty obvious to us all. You need to stop insulting people on social welfare , boom figures were 3% son welfare up to 14% now therefore 11% are genuine hardworking struggling people , stop with the horrible degrading comments !! Ireland is back to work haha Ireland is slowly sinking and IRELAND IS OFF TO AUSTRALIA AND CANADA TO WORK, your so tuned out

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    • padraig 11/01/13 #

      This abuse where people take Fas course after FAS course is against the rules. Strictly, only one course a year is allowed, and the removal of the big extra allowance, means only people who want to get qualifications have a significant incentive.

      Food stamps in the US are mostly a subsidy to farmers and food producers. Notice that the US Dept of Agriculture runs the EBT and related programs.

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  • David 11/01/13 #

    Ireland currently running two of the best tax avoidance schemes in the world. Our corporation tax regime and the dole.

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  • Welcome to the Land of Bribery,disgraceful corruption political parties. we needs honest & loyal anti social, immigration and labour Fraud to tackle this recession and etc….
    There are plenty of jobs out there but thousands of people are working illegaly some never pay tax others not have legal residency, And it is very clear! it is not to late to wake up!!! wake up!

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  • They had a fantastic company and closed its doors- jobfit was amazing 11 centers across the country, received fantastic results in 10 months but doors were closed.

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  • chilli16 11/01/13 #

    Well that went downhill fast!

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  • About time they realised they have NO IDEA what they are doing and are leaving it up to the employment professionals. There are people who know how to do it better now is their chance.

    Each recruitment company should be given a list of everyone on the live register and told to approach each and every person to assess their skills and hopefully place them in a job and yes there are jobs out there, says me who spent 3 months on the dole, 9 months on an internship and after all that I have secured a full time job in an industry which I enjoy.

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    • Good on you Tracy McSweeney. I presume you are a young person. Try being in your 50;s , worked all your life, redundant since 2007, got temp work with the Dept. of Social Protection for 10 weeks (covering permanent person taking ‘term time’) and cannot get a job since. Thought I’d get back to cover ‘term time’ again the following summer but now they have a stupid application online, which for the life of me I can’t understand how they choose anyone from it, I did the job, was extremely capable and then nothing! Most companies don’t even answer job applications. I know I can adapt to any job but the companies I applied to just don’t want to know. Can’t get dole as my husband is just over the income threshold (what a laugh). It is very, very hard and now they want us to pay Property tax and water charges….what a laugh. This idea is another waste of money. But politicians, etc. numbers, pay and expenses…..then I might believe in them.

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  • Some people far overestimate the value of their skills and experience. Some people, worked for years and never considered their future and what skills they should have been developing if their skills became obsolete or industry moved away from their doorstep (which happens to everyone, bar some traditional professions)

    Whose fault is it that these people are now unemployed?

    The government?

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  • MVM 11/01/13 #

    @leigh insults are a sign of the weak ill educated.
    Let’s face it if your aspersions in life are to be on the dole it must be a dull life

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    • Ill educated…? LOL – I think you mean aspirations? Indeed. Yet you appear envious of that… “existence” and bemoan your lot as a someone who has to work for a living.

      Let’s get something straight. I hope jobs can be found for the majority of people unemployed and I think you have a point that too many Irish people have been reticent in taking jobs for little money (unlike people from abroad who are delighted to take up employment wherever they can – they certainly didn’t come her to sit on their 4rses, they could have done that in their own country). However, there are very many reasons why people can’t take up poorly paid work – it’s those issues that the system needs to get control of.

      Your begrudgery of people who, in your own words, must lead “a dull life” doesn’t help them, you or anyone else.

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    • Julie 11/01/13 #

      Leigh people like that don’t deserve a response, they seen to have an overpowering superiority complex and a very small mind. Our economy isn’t getting any better just worse so who knows who will be knocked off there high horses next and be given a food dose of reality !

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    • MVM 11/01/13 #

      @ Julie don’t worry if I do end up on the dole IL be handing the missus everything and straight into sign on/collect free house tucked away out of sight and sub let it for a greater profit/full medical as everyone here seems to think its ok

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    • Julie 11/01/13 #

      So what if I agree with you , I should attack the 11% of people that got forced out of there jobs, let them get sick and die is it? You are attacking the wrong people. Cop on now.

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    • Julie 11/01/13 #

      And who are these people living in luxury on the dole I live in a rural area and the job prospects are none, many on welfare and all I see is hardship and struggle !

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    • MVM 11/01/13 #

      @jules I taught i didn’t deserve a response but youv been answering me half the day..best of luck in oz it is great there you won’t want to come back

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  • MVM 11/01/13 #

    @johny..if you had red my 1st comment I did say not all people are scammers but most are all you have to do is walk into any pub or bookies during the day and see..I understand there is a shortage of jobs but it still does not justify lads in their 30s and40s never worked a day since they were 18..
    Im self employed and work hard most days 8to8 iv to be in before the staff and leave well after them and probably still not as well of as some on the dole I for one am delighted this problem will be tackled

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  • MVM 11/01/13 #

    @leigh your obviously one of these lifers on the dole sad shitty life..

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