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Column: The strides made in gender equality are good, but there’s still a long way to go

Today marks International Womens’ Day, but how far have we really come when it comes to equal rights? Sandra McAvoy says there are plenty of issues that still need to be addressed.

THERE WERE SOME interesting outcomes when the Constitutional Convention discussed women and their roles. The most striking was the vote of 62 per cent of delegates that, while article 40 provides that ‘all citizens shall, as human persons, be held equal before the law’ the Constitution ‘should be amended to include an explicit provision on gender equality’. It was good to see this.

It is now 20 years since the 1993 Report of the Second Commission on the Status of Women recommended a constitutional amendment to prohibit gender discrimination. There is a more sellable spin to underlining equality than to outlawing discrimination. Have we reached a point where gender equality is a given? Aren’t there a few issues we need to address first – like the gender pay gap, exclusions in equal status legislation, gender inequality in the social welfare system, pension rights for women who contributed to that national common good? Let us start the countdown now on how long it will be before a clearly worded amendment on gender equality is put to voters.

‘The role of women’

Gender equality was central to the vote on article 41.2, for which the Forum used the shorthand ‘Role of Women’. Article 41.2.1 lays out how woman’s ‘life within the home’ provides ‘to the State a support without which the common good cannot be achieved’. It is married with the article the State forgot, 41.2.2: the one with the promise that it will ‘endeavour to ensure that economic necessity does not force women into the workplace to the neglect of their duties in the home’; the one that places no financial obligation on it to defend such women against ‘economic necessity’ and is thankfully vague on what the ‘duties’ comprise.

41.2 is considered inadequate for a number of reasons, the most pressing being that it does not reflect the reality of women’s lives when more than half of those with children are in employment. The Convention voted to amend article 41.2.1 by a margin of 88 per cent to 12 per cent (the latter favouring deletion). A massive 98 per cent called for a gender-neutral amendment that would cover all carers in the home and, in a further vote, 62 per cent considered ‘carers beyond the home should be included.’

The importance of care work

Depending on how it were worded (and there’s the rub) such an amendment might be an important step towards recognising not only the central importance to society of all care work but also the need for caring to be seen as men’s as well as women’s responsibility. As the National Women’s Council of Ireland (NWCI) pointed out in its submission to the Convention, women do still take on (and sometimes have thrust upon them) primary responsibility for care work, both in the home and in the wider community’. Some 61 per cent of carers are female, they undertake two thirds of all care hours, while 86 per cent of childcare carried is out by women. Recognising the importance of men’s contributions and creating the expectation that they will share caring obligations would be a step forward.

A vote on the levels of obligation article 41.2.2 should place on the state to support carers in the home was divided on the fine detail – but 30 per cent suggested that the State ‘shall support’ them, 35 per cent felt it should ‘provide a reasonable level of support’, and 20 per cent that it should ‘endeavour to support’ them. Against a background of cuts that hit carers particularly hard, it seems unlikely that that vote will carry any weight in the real world.

Women in politics

The Convention also examined whether the Constitution should ‘place a duty on the State to take positive action to enhance women’s participation in politics’. The vote was 49 per cent for and 50 per cent against – so close that, when taken with the evidence of women’s under-representation, it surely behoves the State to introduce the protections necessary to ensure Ireland is a democracy. It cannot call itself one when the interests of more than half the citizens are not represented.

One strange point on a statement by Convention Chair Tom Arnold, dated 13 February, was that ‘according to available research, women are hugely under-represented in public life’, as if something new might pop up to say they are not. Women make up 51 per cent of the population but only 17 per cent of councillors are women (and quota legislation will not apply to local elections), only 15 per cent of TDs are women.

The first essential step identified by the NWCI may be achieved – ‘removing the women in the home clause’, with its implication that woman’s place is in the private sphere. They also called for recognition of active citizenship in community and local organisations, and for citizens to be enabled to initiate referendums – as was the case under the 1922 Constitution.

The elephant in the room

Whether we are talking about the roles of women or gender equality, the giant elephant in the room is the unaddressed 8th amendment, the one that has been used to define women’s rights as equal to those of a fertilised egg, an embryo or a foetus. It is the one that nullifies women’s rights to health and well-being. Alan Shatter admitted during the debate on Clare Daly’s X case legislation that: ‘the right of pregnant women to have their health protected is, under our constitutional framework, a qualified right … This is a republic in which we proclaim the equality of all our citizens but the reality is that some citizens are more equal than others.’

There is tight State control of the issues the Convention will address. It is possible for it (rather than for us as citizens) to bring further issues to its final meeting at the end of November. If it is genuinely to address issues like women’s roles and equality, article 40.3.3 must also be on the agenda.

Sandra McAvoy teaches on and co-ordinates University College Cork’s MA in Women’s Studies Course.

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Comments (122 Comments)

  • When will men have equality when it comes to their children.

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  • Liam 08/03/13 #

    I’m not for woman’s rights, nor am I for men’s rights, and I’m not for rights of minorities, what I am for though is human rights, when people are divided in ways like this it slows down progress because people often think that giving rights to one group is to the detriment of others.

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  • Went to a nightclub last night where ladies got in free. Can I get my money back for the sake of equality?

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  • Wow, as per usual the comments section of the Journal on an article relating to women proves misogyny is not only alive and well, it’s positively thriving. The irony of all this being on an article relating to International Women’s Day (which apparently we don’t need anymore because equality) is staggering.

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  • I admit that I am nit picking here but equality in the work place should also mean dress code.

    My work place requires all staff to follow a smart business dress code.

    If a bloke dresses down outside of this he is sent an email telling him off. Most of the women in my job do not follow any business dress code, they wear jeans, boots, long sleeve T-shirts etc etc and feck all said to them.

    Thats not equality , if i have to wear trousers, shirt and smart shoes ,my female colleagues should have to wear same.

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    • So long as women aren’t being forced to wear high heels(as many office jobs, particularly in the financial sector, require) then sure; if there’s a dress-code for men then one for women also makes sense. Given that most people seem to dislike dress codes though, I imagine the women in your office would be loath to raise this issue.

      Have you considered raising your concerns with your HR representatives?

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    • Jessica if women did not wear high heels to work there boss would prob never sleep with them and they would never get that promotion!!

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  • It’s amazing what issues are considered gender issues. Things that predominantly affect men; suicide, homelessness, assault, murder, unemployment, workplace fatalities, parental rights etc don’t seem to be a gender-based problem at all

    And as for male reproductive rights…. Lol! What rights??

    Instead, taxpayers money and government time is spent on anything that women choose to want equality on. But not the bad stuff like prison sentences. We choose to ignore those inequalities

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    • I don’t know which feminists you talk to, but a lot of these problems ARE do to the idea of rigid gender roles (women are the loving caregivers, men are stoic breadwinners.) If we get over this idea that women are all one way and men are all another (you know, what I’m fighting for as a feminist), then issues like parental rights, assault and suicide would be better dealt with.

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    • Why do that under the title of FEMinism? I fully support equality for all. I call it HUMANism.

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    • Does the name really matter to you as much as what they accomplish?

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    • So what are feminists doing to help men then Nick?

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    • Eliminating rigid gender roles. If you see women as communicative and men as stoic, then of course men can’t talk about mental health issues (and women are nags.) If men are angry and uncontrollable and women are sweet, then men commit violent crimes (and women are called bitches if they’re angry.) If men are the breadwinners and women are the natural carers, then there is enormous financial pressure on men (and women can’t have careers.)

      For every role women are slotted into, men are also harmed. I absolutely support fathers’ rights campaigns and while I’m not sure what we can do to encourage more men to seek help for mental health issue (as a woman, I don’t think I have a good enough understanding of the barriers there), I would ABSOLUTELY support a campaign that was conceived with that idea.

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    • Feminists don’t eliminate gender roles, they create them

      Woman = victim
      Man = oppressor

      That’s why the Women’s Justice Taskforce wants to stop sending ANY women to prison, at a time they already receive lesser sentences

      That’s why the Irish Women’s Lawyers Association (you don’t need to be Irish or a lawyer) exists, and sees fit to criticise Portmarnock GC

      When I see feminists campaign for taxpayer funded men-only shelters, for equal sentencing, for father’s rights, for reform of the family courts and holding a vigil for Niall Comerford: then ill stop thinking you’re liars

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    • Wow – you like that hat for your strawman? I gave you two tangible examples of how feminists campaign against the effect rigid gender roles have on men – including examples you listed and yet you continue to complain because I’m not personally leading a campaign for issues that I think men have a better idea of how to solve?

      The main reason I don’t lead campaigns on these issues is because as a woman, I have less of an understanding of how exactly there are barriers to men and how to achieve them. To some degree, men need to be the ones to tell us what is needed to end these stereotypes. I’m not going to apologise because men have failed to lead campaigns on gender equality issues and left it primarily to women.

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    • And if you’ve read my statements, I’ve repeatedly said everyone suffers from rigid gender roles. But why argue with what I said when you can argue with what you wish I said about men being oppressors and women being victims?

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    • 1. It’s not a straw man if I point out specific examples

      1. You, personally, are not “feminists”

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    • It’s a strawman if I speak about how I (and most of the feminists who I am aware of and are active in mens issues) and then you dismiss that. There are good reasons (particularly childcare) to try to limit custodial sentences to women – there are certainly good reasons to try to limit sentencing for men as well. Do these groups oppose that?

      The problem is that some men (not all), but some seem to see things as a zero sum game and that everything that improves women’s lives harms men. I particularly focus on women’s issues because I can conceive of solutions from personal experience – it really seems like you seem to think that women should speak for your experiences for you so you don’t have to engage in any action!

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    • You assume all feminists are women?

      Feminists are free to pursue whatever agenda they want but I object to my taxes funding it. It’s a lie that feminism seeks true equality. Feminism is very selective about the areas in which equality is desirable. As long as feminist groups perpetuates lies and half truths, I’m going to point it out

      I’ve literally never seen a single feminist stand up for men’s rights.

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    • Where on earth did I say all feminists are women? I simply explained why I would like some male leadership in addressing certain societal problems.

      And again, you seem to ignore my noting that men should have custody rights equal to the childcare they provide to their children. But, hey, it must be frustrating when feminists like me don’t conform to your ideas of what we are and instead make the argument that rigid gender roles hurt men and women. It certainly makes you look silly by claiming that (despite what I’ve said repeatedly), I only care about some gender roles.

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    • Eleen 08/03/13 #

      Chuck, I don’t know if you know this, but there are a lot of feminists out there who are campaigning to change men’s lives for the better. Feminists began the conversation of gender discrimination, and it was feminists who started talking about discrimination against men and how men are affected by sexism.

      There are now quite a few studies and text books out there relating to men and masculinity and in them, the majority of writers and researchers are not only women but feminists. There is a stated lack of interest from men in these issues. I don’t know why the majority of men don’t care enough about fathers rights, or lack of paternity care, to raise it as an issue. I don’t know why the male-dominated government, courts and media don’t tackle these issues. It’s not the feminists who are your enemy on this one, we’re probably your best ally.

      But if you’re happy to rally around some troops to come online and give out stink about feminazis and derail every article written about women’s issues, then keep trucking. Nothing good will come of it.

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    • Nick, there you go again assuming that you, personally, are “feminists”.

      When was the last feminist march for father’s rights? No, for ANY men’s rights issue?

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    • “I’ve literally never seen a single feminist stand up for men’s rights.” That would assume that, yes, you are personally referring to me when you discuss feminists.

      I frequently attend anti-combat marches in London, because I think this idea that young men are violent, aggressive natural fighters is a major failing of rigid gender roles.

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  • Happy International Women’s Day, a day where the equality debate rages. Should we not have an International Men’s Day then too?

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  • OECD 2012 report shows women earn 17% more then men in the workforce, prior to having children.

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    • M O Sé 08/03/13 #

      And they live longer – lets have medical care quotas for men quick to address this unjust discriminatory imbalance!!

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    • Ideally, men and women would both be able to balance having children and a career. There’s a comment up above about how men should have equality in regards to their children – that means it shouldn’t have to be the woman who stays home with the sick child or leaves work early.

      I love my job and so when I have children, I fully expect my partner to do half of the childcare – rights to children should come with responsibilities.

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    • Bur he doesn’t HAVE any rights nick

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    • Indeed – which is ridiculous. It’s based on a model of childcare where women did all the caring and men did all the financial providing, which would be replicated when a relationship ended. Custody should instead be more modelled on how much caregiving was actually done by each parent – which is a very individualised thing!

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    • Yes, men having no rights whatsoever is really an example of women being oppressed

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    • Yes, men being expected to do all the breadwinning and women being expected to do all the caring is indeed an example of how women who want to work are harmed and men who want to stay home are harmed.

      Interesting how determined you are to turn this into how men suffer rather than acknowledging that rigid gender roles hurt everyone.

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    • I’m just trying to balance out the whinge-tsunami

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    • Huh. But the “whinge tsunami” about father’s rights, you’re fine with? It’s funny how addressing societal issues of one gender is “whinging” while the other is valid. I think both are valid, but then I’ve addressed how I actually campaign for societal change – while you haven’t.

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    • When the government and media are telling one side of a story (complete with lies) I consider it a public service to point out the other side

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    • Stfu and get back to the kitchen whinger.

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    • What exactly has been lied about? Women are more likely to be burdened with childcare, which affects them in the workplace, men are more likely to prevented from childcare by the workplace. What part of that is an untruth?

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    • Just ignore Chuck, he’s doing his very best to totally ignore what you’re saying Nick. He just wants to moan endlessly and annoy the rest of us.

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  • Dare I say you’ll never be happy and always want something else.

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    • Agreed. I’m all for equality and equal pay but fed up of their OTT feminism by some. Also if you want equality then bloody well extend it to the legal system. Fed up of seeing women get off assault charges because they have breasts.

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    • Women’s roles in society have changed dramatically in the past 100 years. It is only right that we have open dialogue on the subject.

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    • How many feminists does it take to change a light bulb?

      12.

      One to screw it in,
      one to excoriate men for creating the need for illumination,
      one to blame men for inventing such a faulty means of illumination,
      one to suggest the whole “screwing” bit to be too “rape-like”,
      one to deconstruct the lightbulb itself as being phallic,
      one to blame men for not changing the bulb,
      one to blame men for trying to change the bulb instead of letting a woman do it,
      one to blame men for creating a society that discourages women from changing light bulbs,
      one to blame men for creating a society where women change too many light bulbs,
      one to advocate that lightbulb changers should have wage parity with electricians,
      one to alert the media that women are now “out-lightbulbing” men,
      and one to just sit there taking pictures for her blog for photo-evidence that men are unnecessary.

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    • VERY daring, you mot is going to give you hell (after she has the washing and ironing finished).

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  • deirdre 08/03/13 #

    Alan. Is it really steak and blow job day??? Jeez i will have to get into training for that. Wouldnt want to get confused between blowing the steak and getting my teeth into… I wont say it……

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  • “so close that, when taken with the evidence of women’s under-representation, it surely behoves the State to introduce the protections necessary to ensure Ireland is a democracy. It cannot call itself one when the interests of more than half the citizens are not represented.”

    What exactly does this mean? Are you suggesting that votes where the proportion of each gender is not equal should be discarded? Is it your claim that a man cannot represent a woman effectively and vice versa?

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  • to me, looking for equality shows a lack of ambition, why not strive to be better?

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  • Happy women’s days to all women wherever you are! Women Remember WE hold up the world. We bring love, compassion, and tolerance to the table!!! We wet nurse our menfolk as well as the babies. Where oh where would they be with out the loving support of women and still the begrudgery oozes out of the comments! WHAT A LOAD OF WHINGERS – grow up guys !!!

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  • Surely the concept of an International Women’s Day is in itself anti-equality

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  • When i had my first baby 5 years ago the district nurse said to me motherhood is hard work and remember this… ITS A MANS WORLD… I agree with her.. No matter how hard i work, the tidying and child minding and night feeds are 100% done by me. And he gets ALL the sleep ins. He wont budge. Womens day my arse. Mothers day my gowl. Every day is mens day

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  • Next Thursday is International Steak and Blowjob Day

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  • This sort of thing is what happens when a supposed accademic discipline that lacks any kind of rigour is taken seriously. Sociology is the reason people these days feel justified in dividing everyone on gender and racial lines and imposing so called “positive discrimination”.

    Equality has been thrown out the window, discrimination redefined and correlation assumed to mean causation.

    Sociology is a joke. We can do better than this.

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    • What? Less than 50% of CEOs and polititions are women? DISCRIMINIATION! PATRIARCHY! Lets get some gender quotas!

      Could it be that there is a larger subset of women than men who are more interested in investing time into family life than ridiculously demanding careers? Could it be that due to this, there is a smaller pool of women to choose from when looking for the best person to take on one of these ridiculously demanding roles?

      No, no, no that’s just misogynistic patriarchy talk.

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    • Academia is, in many cases, a joke.

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  • Make me a sammich.

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  • Ah yea can never kept them happy if it’s not their hair it’s equality, if it’s not equality it’s their hair. You can’t win

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  • That’s rubbish about the gender pay gap. No job, anywhere, pays men more and women less. If men earn more overall, it’s because they’re in higher paying jobs. And again, in modern Ireland, women are prevented from entering none of the high earning sectors/ jobs out there. Is it suggested unwilling or unqualified women be forced into such jobs to rectify the ‘gender pay gap’?

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    • Ali O'M 08/03/13 #

      Women are restricted, not from entering highly paid jobs, but from remaining in them while also supporting a family. There is no defined support system to allow women to achieve work related goals while also having a family. In America, for example, job sharing is a common and nationally accepted way of keeping women in the workforce. Not all women are “unwilling” or “unqualified” to fill these roles but often the practicality of family life makes them unattainable. It is still the social norm for women to raise the family however of course there are many men now doing this and they too deserve the opportunity to succeed. Women and men are not equal and are not the same, nor will they, or can they, ever be. There must be support structures on both sides to allow all people of the State to achieve all of what they dream of. This article happens to relate to women (as it is International Women’s Day) and I would hope that a similar discussion of rights will arise relating to men – during which time I would hope women would be less begrudging in the comments than some of the men commenting here.

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    • You seem to be very well-informed on this subject Alan, care to share the source of your statistics?

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    • Unfortunately, Alan, this is one of those issues where class and gender combine to create inequality. Lower income women are the most likely to be paid less for doing the same job as men – unfortunately another example of the vulnerable being exploited.

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  • Feminist: I demand equal pay, I demand equal rights! Hold open that door for me and pay for dinner.

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  • Not equal in our vocabulary….. WoMEN….woMAN….LADy…. LADies….MENopause…. MENstruation…..MENtal breakdown….FeMALE….!!!!

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  • deirdre 08/03/13 #

    Mohamed. You guessed wrong. I am a happily married woman to a lazy man. 2 kids. And u are wrong i do NOT need to lose 3 stone!!! I need to shed just 2 stone…. And a good makeover

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  • Deleting comments, keep yer thread and keep blaming men for your insecurities girls….

    ADEBAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

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  • In the words of the great 15 years late Padraig Flynnstone – ‘That’s why your a woman Wilma, you’re too thick to be a man’

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  • How can you claim to support equality when you think that a necessary condition of representing women’s interests is that you have a vagina?

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  • M O Sé 08/03/13 #

    It is amazing the article space given over to the equality commisars by this publication. Anymore of it and I may have to boycott.

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  • Did I miss international mens day? A gender equality day would be more appropriate. It’s not the nineteenth century

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  • Man and a women both walk up to the door of pub at the same time who should open the door?

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  • deirdre 08/03/13 #

    Mohammed. Who should open the door first? Easy. The man should open it. And then he should buy me a drink. And then another few drinks. And then walk me home. Where i will slam the door in his face if he tries anything on!!!!

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  • If women are as capable as men or even more capable if you believe liberal feminist crap then why do women constantly need extra aid, funding and general hand holding in everything? Im celebrating wimins day by playing some Rick Ross and some Geto Boys . Then later when I get home my bi**h is going to fetch me a cold beer ’cause she deserves to be with a happy husband.

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