So you are saying that there are not blinder people than blind people. Well that is genius. With regards the Quinn situation Anglo have falsified accounts, used the Quinns to manipulate the share price, later got the Quinns to sign personal guarantees without them knowing what they were signing and then later again getting them to sign documents that they got legal advice. Why would people ever think that there was an injustice. Instead we will sit in awe of the genius of someone who comes out meaningless saying. Next you should tell us that if a tree falls in the forest and no one hears it did it make a sound. That would be just as apt and you would look intelligent.

Tom are you for real, your telling me that Quinn signed a document form Anglo without reading it!!!! Do yourself a favour, go to the sink in your house, now turn on the cold tap, put your hand under the tap, now finally, throw some of that cold water over your face….have you woken up???

Anglo got the Quinns to sign guarantees without knowing what was in them? Do you seriously believe this? Do you not see how Sean Quinn has pulled the wool over your eyes and blinded you to the truth?

Michael…. it was the Quinn children that were asked to sign these docements…makes you wonder about the legality of them when 5 months after signing, Anglo ask them to sign forms to say that they had legal advice before signing?..

Why would be guarantees be signed after the loans were given. No one with any sense would sign them. Why would you? You have the money!

I’m sorry, I just can’t buy it, when I get a credit union loan for a couple of hundred quid I read the agreement…..Look I can understand people’s loyalty to the Quinn family from the local area, Its like JP McManus in Limerick, people think he’s great, gives money to local GAA and charities, personally I’d prefer if he stopped been a tax exile, it will take time for people of Cavan to realise the full extent of the gamble he played with your futures, but I guarantee ye, when the full picture comes, out you won’t be looking at the Quinn’s the same way

Michael,

I don’t really care if you believe it. It was noted in court that the guarantees were not dated. The reason for this is that they came after the fact. Fact! You may not believe in gravity. That’s fine. I just would not jump of a roof anytime soon.

Tom, it was noted in court only yesterday by the judge, that he has never experienced such dishonesty in his courtroom, as what has been shown by the Quinns, I couldn’t give a fiddlers of what you think of my opinion, the only opinion that counts is that of the judge and that’s not looking too good for them

Michael,

Your points was questioning that Anglo got to sign documents they did not know what they were. They did! That is the point! If you make billions do you think you are going to be stupid. If I had been given money and someone said sign this so we can take everything of you if we want, months after. I would say no thanks.

Tom. You are either a troll or an idiot. I think the latter.

And all related !!

Hey , maybe peter will make an appearance and man up to his responsibilities and do his time. No one likes a crybaby or a coward . Did he not learn that in kindergarten ?

The people at the top breaking the law has destroyed our economy for 90 years. The Quinn; fupped up massively, adn want the tax pater to pay, for what was illegal actions by them. I respect them for a lot of things but this is too far. Accountability and responsibility from here on in.

Why don’t you report him missing yourself?…you seem to have a real concern for his safety….just asking….

He is not a member of my family. I dont know if he has any disquinishing marks etc. I think it is normally the family that report a person missing.

Well obviously they know where he is and why he is there maybe that’s why he is no reported missing

Maybe you should get a few leaflets out there Maura… might ease your mind

In what way. When will people in this country learn that we need entrepreneurs to drive growth in this country? That bankers that ran a bank that cost the state circa €30 billion should not be rewarded with high paying jobs ruining a previously highly successful company. (The Quinn Group). There are lots of things this country should learn.

Sean quinn was a self made man. Hard labour. Worst thing he ever did was invest in a bogus bad bank. He never did that with his own money in all the years. Then Anglo starts to fall and the suits not only beg him to prop them up with buying shares, they offer him the free money to do it. Then when they fall anyway the bastards paint themselves, IBRC, as the good guys. They do not represent the public, we own their sorry asses. Hypocracy is astounding. I dont love the quinns but this affair is not balanced.

ANGLO say they are owed 2.3 bn. This figure is hugely in dispute. The figure that is undisputed is under 450 million ( all of which has been paid back to date). So, if the Quinn’s and many others believe that they don’t owe the money, why on earth would they pay it? Let the court decide whether they owe it Derek! Would you pay a debt you didn’t owe?

Yep, it’s a huge number alright. By the way, I’m planning a discussion with my bank manager about my mortgage. How many disbelievers do I need to get behind me to make it go away? (it’s a lot less than 2.3 bn, but still unbelievable)

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If my neighbour bought a house and then told people that I owed the money for it, I wouldn’t pay for it…but you can see how you get on with that one

Pull the other one Y.F. If I put a bet on a nag in Paddy Power and demanded my money back if it got beat, I’d be laughed out of the shop. He gambled stupidly. He lost. Pay up

smithan,
Sean quinn and the directors in his company put forward perfectly viable proposals to Anglo on how to repay the debt (disputed as it is) over a 7 year period. These proposals were ignored and thrown back in his face. They took everything they could from him and left him with no means of ever paying a debt of this size off. The legalities of what happened between Quinn and Anglo are hugely disputed. Anglo are not the pillars of society that you believe them to be. They ( and the government) have made sure the SQ is bad guy, and they are good…and people are believing this propaganda. Sean Quinn has never had a fair hearing but by God we’ll all be watching as he takes on the big boys in court

This is why there in contempt of court they are moving assets around that will help recoup the billions owed so obviously the judge thinks they owe it Anglo have that on there side

Gavin, Anglo don’t have any judge on their side…. They have our government on their side. This is why we have been presented with one side of an argument for so long now

Y.F. I’m not disputing that Anglo were a shower or conniving s***s. if I was gambling, and let’s face it., it was gambling, with 2.3bn, I wouldn’t trust a soul and I’d enter into it with my eyes wide open. He lost. Honour your debt

All I’m saying is give him his chance in court against them… there’s a real stink about the whole thing and not in the way you’re thinking. Let the truth come out. I honestly believe that this is a witch-hunt…and Anglo are not the only ones behind it. We’re not being let see the whole picture i think.

It now looks like that levy will be extended from the next 12 years to 15 years because of the extensive UK losses of Quinn insurance. Was in the IT today.

And the billions the owe the state through the IBRC.

I would like to hear Ross o c k thoughts on this matter
Priceless I would think

Henry, you’re right there. The reason we are going to pay for it is because Anglo refused to go ahead with the perfectly viable proposal that Quinn put forward. They wanted him out. They wanted to take what they could get when there was money to be made. They were not thinking of anyone but themselves and getting Quinn out. THEN out government bailed Anglo out so we, the Irish taxpayer are left with ANGLO’s debt.

Well said they have the cash offshore to pay their debts
And ask the court for 2000 a week living expenses allowance each lol
Try telling that to the bank when renegotiating your mortgage repayments
He did bold an empire and made much employment
But he was suckered in by his greed and his x Anglo buddies

I agree with you there. They were idiots.

So now you understand why Reg thought you were one of them.

James,

I am an idiot because I disagree with you. Someone who is badly informed of the facts of the situation.

Yeah Marie, the successful are the reason we are in this mess. That’s the attitude. Sure we will all be average and get jobs in the civil service. I can’t see anything wrong with that economic model. It’s genius. You never know, why not enter that model in for the Nobel prize of economics.

Did you make than one up yourself Pat? ‘Reportedly said’ …..by the little man in your head

Ah Pat, you must have that music from the circus playing in your head on a constant loop.

I have The Shadows,’Apache’ on a loop in mine. Always ready for action.

I agree the gangsters that caused the financial disaster are held responsible. So those who decided to guarantee the banks should be held accountable. Those who falsified accounts of banks should be held accountable. Those who got people to keep CFD positions in order to manipulate the share price should be held accountable!

Paul it is true that supporters of Sean Quinn are allowed to vote. The problem is that the vote has very little effect on the border region. The government ignores the area. The IDA has had a net loss of jobs in Cavan over the previous 10years. The area relied on Sean Quinn. Who do we rely on now? Anglo?

I don’t know where you are from but women from where I am from are not usually called Tom. Did your mother shave with Wilkinson or Gillette razor every morning?

Guess what Tom, Reg isn’t my real name!

I asked did your mother shave with a wilkinson or gillette razor every morning.

Pretty low bringing my mother into things. I hear the Quinn’s like to play a little dirty. Did they teach you some tricks?

John,

What fraudulent money was used to create jobs? Please specify. The Quinn Group was very good at running profitable companies. The only problem occurred when they invested in a fraudulent bank. Please specify what fraudulent money was invested in the creation of jobs in the border region.

John
They used fraudulent money to create jobs???????

Sorry I didn’t mean they were fraudulent In the way they created jobs, I retract that.

Get back to work ye degenerates