You forgot bring in a new ‘eu compliment ‘ Garda Roster which from what I hear has longer shifts for gardai but less working because they have 5 units now to fill as opposed to 4??

Brilliant !!!

Well said.

It probably won’t you know.

william winkell
what do you suggest ?
This is all to do with money and power you know that these guys crave at any cost ….
I have often wondered what to do …
Increase Garda presence in all areas would be a start
but Garda numbers have been reduced and with a moratorium on recruitment ,
thats not possible to implement

There are drug gangs in Dublin that are reported to be making a million a week. How can the guards compete with that.

I live in Maynooth. Where throwing garda station is almost abandoned at night. The scary thing is that with all the cuts it will get worse. How worse can it possibly get.

meant to say the garde station.

You should have left it at Garda station.

Pothole Prisoners! I like it.
In return for taking lives, they save lives.

While putting people who get pain to do that job out of work?

*paid

It sure would, because without a fair legal system convicting them who decides who “These Bastards” are? Should the Gardai be allowed round people up off the streets? What if there is a “bad” Garda who settles a grudge or a slight by having someone interred? Does these Interrees get an appeal against what they are arrested for?

At Brian, you can shoot them for all I care, and it is a pity that the other 2 gee bags aren’t dead as well but it will not solve the problem one inch. They’ll already have been replaced in the chain and the trade goes on.

Ross
Well said . This softly softly approach is garbage , I agree with you 100%.

We need to empower the Gardai and protect them from these thugs

i’m in favour of legalizing, it puts the gangs out of business. I just don’t care when they kill each other that’s all.

Ross
I mis read your comment …
Apologies .
Legislation will not work .
Life sentences , Whole life , no parole , no remission.
Clear the streets of them.
There are already laws in place ,
No killing or murdering , thieving, trafficing allowed .
They have so many rights , but what about our right to live in a decent society ?
I will have to agree not to agree with you Ross :(

@Ross, and when innocent bystanders are killed in the crossfire? Give over. You have your head in the clouds if you think legalising drugs would put a halt to gangs.

Have you told the Gardai this!?!

Michael
That is the problem what can be done and where to start with gun laws and this is a worldwide problem as I see it… Shocking news tonight though Really shocking news ……

What would tightening the gun laws accomplish when lots of the time the guns involved are not legally purchased?

That is my point RDX

Sorry picked you up wrong

Not really I did not actually but u did thanks RDX But it was what I meant all the same sorry

Gun laws are not the problem, there are many countries that have a lot more guns in circulation than here. Besides, if you have 50,000 euro’s of Cocaine and 15 Uzi’s in your van, your not going to be too worried about gun laws preventing people from having light hunting rifles and shotguns.

Look at prohibition in America in the 30′s and learn from that.

Criminals don’t give a f@@k about legalisation because you can bet your arse that even after legalisation theyll be selling their stuff which will be cheaper than the government approved , price controlled & taxed legal stuff.

Assuming that we legalized drugs Gavin, where do we source them? Ring up the Taliban and ask them how are they fixed to supply us with a couple of tons of heroin. Perhaps we can send a delegation from the Dept of Agriculture to Columbia along with Teagesc advisers to help the FARC cocaine producers be more productive. If we were to grow hash we would have to either do it indoors or on licensed farms with 24 hour security. As for crystal meth being made legal well that’s just plain crazy!

It’s bad enough at the moment having the amount of addicts now in a market that is illegal, just imagine what it would be like if you were able to walk into your local clinic and buy yourself gram of coke and a few joints, maybe even a bit of crack while your at it. I really don’t think that the health system could cope. There are moves in S America towards legalization and perhaps it would be prudent to see how they get on first before we unleash more addictive substances onto the population.

Alcohol does not cause these problems because it is legal. If it was illegal, it would of course lead to the very same gun crime, murders, muggings etc. that exist because of prohibition of other drugs. How you cannot understand this point is beyond me.

Prohibition in 20s US and its spawning of gangsters has parallels with modern stance v drugs. I know it’s too simple to just say legalise all drugs but the manufacture and distribution of them should be taken away from criminals. I dunno but maybe the state could take over

@Paul legalization would only be a step in the right direction, it would on how it was administered, I have also heard this from a lot of “clean” addicts. It would certainly take drugs out of the hands of the criminal gangs.

I have not suggested that alcohol and heroin addiction are similar. I agree with your point regarding heroin addicts violent desperation. However, I disagree that whether it was legal, or illegal would make no difference. If a heroin addict could legally go into a clinic and be administered his dose by a professional clinician, then where would his need be to mug old ladies?. Anyway, we’re going off topic here, so I’ll leave it at that.

Dhakina, I was just wondering when you made the point about the heroin addict not having to mug an old lady because he can go to the clinic to get his dose. Who actually pays for that dose? Is it the user or the taxpayer?

Brian, it’s a fair question. Short answer, the taxpayer. You’re right. However, the cost would be a fraction of what we are currently paying, if those drugs were at least decrimanilsed. It’s the lesser of two evils. Nobody wants a drug infested society, but considering we already have one, would it not be better to control that trade, and remove the criminal elements from society?. I completely abhor my taxes being used to subsidise drug taking, or the drug trade but this is in effect what we have created. I don’t want to have to pay for their treatment but compared to what they will engage in to get their fix, I choose the lesser evil.

How do you know?

Riiiight, cos more people being off their head will lower crime and violence. Gotcha.

..As in, the same yolks you see in Dublin everyday, with their cans of druids. #off their heads? Make weed legal, tax it, regulate it, uh oh spagetti o’s what do the gangs do now?…. Prob sell cocaine. No real answer, take a risk, look at amsterdams stats….and who said the kildare shooting is drug related?probably over a passage in the bible, or the koran

Diarmuid, according to newspaper reports one of the men was an associate of a major drugs boss from Dublin but is now living in Kildare. I presume that’s why the Gardai are working on the lines that it is drug related. How you managed to infer that the bible or koran had anything to do with this is way beyond comprehension!

Apologies Brian, I have not read the paper, I have gone by the article + comments previous. I am well aware that it was going to be drug related, and my bible+koran comment was for shits and giggles…. Did you giggle Brian?

Just what kind of a Dr are you?? Shits and Giggles??

Really????

@ cupped daughter, now that would be a step in the right direction, new way of thinking, innovate , that’s why it won’t happen! Who would suffer from legalization, ? The drug barons and their gangs!

At P Wurple. Alcohol addiction went down after the end of prohibition, countries with more relaxed attitudes to drugs like Holland, Portugal etc, have less junkies, and less resulting drug crime as well.

The current approach to drugs has been an absolute massive failure and expensive to boot. Lets spend less on it and get better results, spend more on rehab and getting people off, take the power out of the drug and crime gangs and make our streets safer.

… and in the meantime while we wait for
” fas courses for adults that have experience with drugs and create a resourse of elders that can educate our children on the dangers of drugs but also on the many positive attributes to consumption.”
Why didn’t these thugs go to school and apply themselves like the rest of us did. because that is not life.
These guys have to be tackled hard on and punished.

Eileen,because these type of people,see other hard working people busting their balls and getting nowhere..Then they consider the vast amount of money that can be made from the drug trade in a short space of time.The cash outweighs the risk.Legalization is the only way.

Jesus wept
my God these murdering bastards are walking among us free.
Legalise and legislate all you want and discuss this all you want ,
they don’t care , and they never wil care.
they will kill you amd me without a thought . They are sub human .
there are already laws in place . you know the one that says we should not kill or rob .
What about the rest of us who obey the laws , how are we to be protected ?
People need to get real and Jail these bastard for life , no parole , no time off..

@Ross and Ru. Take a look at Amsterdam as an example of what happens when you do that. Criminals don’t turn to being honest tradesmen, they just get deeper into more types of criminality. Drug dealing is not an isolated activity. It is tied into gang violence, burglary, arson, prostitution, illegal alcohol and cigarettes, and gun running, to name but a few. All those things remain the same when you legalise drugs, but now you also have a pack of useless potheads roaming the streets like zombies to deal with.

Netherlands still has a serious illegal drug problem, added to huge mental health problems from the brain damaged weed smokers. Please talk to anyone who works in the mental health sector in netherlands for a real perspective on the effects.

What’s happened to the massively successful campaign against organized crime that resulted from the murder of Veronica Guerin? As was always predicted new hoods with new methods would replace the old order and the result of that is evident.

The murder of Veronica Guerin put pressure on the Government to do something but a crazed lunatic casually walking into a crowded bar and matter of factly producing a revolver and executing someone just about makes the third page of the gangsters gazette and then it’s back to how much TD’s can charge for getting their jocks washed!

No prizes for figuring who’s responsible for this – they tell lies, talk crap, are massively overpaid to do nothing and it’s us that pay them and put them there.

What makes you think that’s beyond me?. I’m fully aware of the desperate nature of addicts. That desperation and the crime that accompanies it, is the obvious result of prohibition. I stand by my point, that if alcohol were prohibited, there would be similar desperation and crime as a result.

Are you stoned Paul?

Paul you really do seem confused!! Are you on something or are you just an idiot??