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Unemployed “two or three times more likely” to die by suicide – TD

Suicidology organisation’s president and TD does concede that high rate of suicide among unemployed linked to those with psychiatric illness being less likely to have a job.

Dan Neville in his capacity as President of the Irish Association of Suicidology at the opening of its annual conference in 2005.
Dan Neville in his capacity as President of the Irish Association of Suicidology at the opening of its annual conference in 2005.
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THE PRESIDENT OF the Irish Association of Suicidology has warned that unemployed people are two to three times more likely to die by suicide than those who are in employment.

Dan Neville, who is also a Fine Gael TD for Limerick, was speaking at a conference in the county this week. He said that unemployment is a factor which is associated with a 70 per cent higher risk of suicide. However, he did say that “the high rate of suicide among the unemployed is partly because people with a psychiatric illness are more likely to lose their jobs”.

Despite this, said Neville at the Working Together to Prevent Suicide event in Templeglantine, “even among people with no history of serious mental illness, unemployment is associated with a 70 per cent higher suicide risk”.

He also made a link between the rise in alcohol consumption during a recession, saying that people in despair can often turn to substance misuse. He said:

When someone loses their job, there is a perceived loss of social worth. Job loss, insecurity and uncertainty coupled with economic strain and the possible threat of home repossession can have a severe impact on mental well-being.

It should be noted that there are often inter-related factors in cases of suicide – some of these are detailed in the list of risk factors on the Association of Suicidology’s website.

Neville said that implementation of A Vision to Change, recommendations from an expert group in 2006 on improving mental health services  in Ireland, is “essential”. HSE updates on implementation of those changes can be seen here but according to the recent annual report of the Inspector of Mental Health Service, there was an increase in admissions to mental health services last year.

Dr Edmund O’Dea, chairman of the Service, said that it “remains to be seen” whether the €35 million ring-fenced for improvements in 2012 will actually have to be used to keep current services running smoothly.

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Comments (41 Comments)

  • Take it from me it ain’t no fun being on the dole especially when like a lot of working men, we were earning very good wages payed our taxes and now find ourselves with nothing ,and no chance of getting work anywhere. Been through FAS what a waste of time courses I’ve done are worth nothing , fg/labour stand up and promised jobs , jobs, jobs , where are they ?? And don’t get me started on depression when reality kicks in , Struggle to pay bills, have to sell car can’t afford to run it, now no way to get to job if their was any . I could go on and on and on.. AUSTERITY AT WORK

    • Have you tried to do odd jobs like windows, gutters, grass cutting and running err in’s? Friend of mine is doing ok with this. Good luck and hang in there.

    • I still see all the foreign students and poles working at centra, mcdonalds etc etc move your ass and apply for all those dirty jobs the Irish would never do. Jobs are still out there.

  • This is a massive problem being blatantly ignored by both the government and health service. At a time when the increase in male suicide has drastically escalated to coincide with the rise in unemployment in men of the same group, it seems politicians, parties and vested interests are more interested in gender quotas than people taking their own lives. The most horrible thing about all this is a proper FREE counselling service wouldn’t cost much but would help enormously. We really have alot to learn about mental health and suicide prevention in this country. Even in 2012, we are sticking our heads in the sand, more worried about neighbours gossiping than the people dying every day.

  • Donal, any Irish life that is lost unnecessarily in this country has to be addressed. Unfortunately outside of physical illnesses, mental illnesses are the next biggest cause of deaths in Ireland, and cause more deaths per annum than road accidents. I am not looking to use saved lives on the road as a stick to beat the government with, on the contrary, I am looking to offer it as a carrot to encourage them to save even more lives through effective intervention and free counselling for those under pressure, suffering depression etc etc etc. The fact remains that budgetary constraints simply SHOULD NOT be an issue for prevention of suicide. No equipment needed, no buildings needed, no quangos needed, no seperate minister needed, no capital investment needed. Just coherent policy around mental health, a more open approach to mental health issues led BY GOVERNMENT, and a few euros to be put into paying for FREE counselling services. These are not outlandish requests, they are very simple to execute and in a time of discussions around such outlandish notions as undemocratic gender quotas, I for one will use whatever comparisons I have to, to get the attention of those ignoring this timebomb, a much more pressing issue than quotas and alot of the rubbish that is addressed in Dail Eireann on a daily basis.

  • cal you are totally correct the neglect by politicians of people who payed there tax,s are obscene, and that is only a minutae of the problems they load the people of the nation down with,there are to many to go into.

  • Surprise surprise! No not really surprising at all. Happens far too often but we collectively ignore this growing occurrence. Too many people in the world and the only way to get ahead is to take advantage of others.

  • of course we,re all mad did,nt we vote the b!!!!!!!s in

  • No sh*t Sherlock …. !!!!!!!! How about bringing in a budget designed at growing the economy instead of shrinking it, and maybe, just maybe, you may start getting more uynemployed people back to work, and as a direct result, lower the suicide rate in the country. FFg/Labour are killing more people in this country than car accidents!!!!!!

    • That’s right Cal. Use the tragedy of suicide to have a free pop at the Government. You ought to be ashamed of yourself.

    • Donal while I see your point completely and utterly, I doubt if Cal meant it in such a way and to be fair any government that ignores this problem is in effect contributing to the deaths. We don’t see road safety advertising or enforcement being diminished because of cuts, yet, something that causes much more deaths in Irish society, nevermind the carnage depression is causing with other triggered ailments, isn’t even getting addressed, nevermind, a budget being reduced! So I’d have to say I would cautiously agree with Cals sentiments on this one.

    • Diarmaid, road deaths and suicide are two completely different animals. The equation of the two problems does no favours to anyone. By all means, campaign for better and more resource for mental illnesses but don’t use lives saved on the roads as a stick to beat the Government with.

      I just fine the “FFg/Labour are killing more people in this country than car accidents” line to be one of the most grossly offensive comments I have read on the Journal. It is obviously just for effect. Suicide is political-orientation free.

    • Donal Mc Carthy
      Are you seriously saying that it is not the governments fault … the government are big and bold enough to take it on the chin … It is their fault that people are killing them selves .And I will go even one further and say that if certain idiotic Ministers and TD’s didn’t put pressure on individuals and make them feel worthless less people would feel so desperate…
      Even Dan Neville’s comment …….”.the high rate of suicide among the unemployed is partly because people with a psychiatric illness are more likely to lose their jobs ” is INSULTING to say the least . I am sick of FG Blueshirts coming on here with a holier than thou attitude and here this TD comes out with this tripe . How bloody dare he !

    • @Susie, totally agree, that comment Dan Neville made about unemployed losing their jobs because of a mental health issue is so offensive, when it is clearly the complete opposite, this infuriates me, I respect anyone working to help prevent suicide but he really put his foot in his mouth here

  • These are the same effers that did a suicide awareness course last year…… Tell them all to fook off………

  • Ireland has a Social Welfare System that can leave people to starve based on illegal opinions of Civil Servants who prefer to save money for themselves.

    Is leaving people to starve while financing pretentious Politicians, Civil Servants, Corporations and Bankers a reason to commit suicide?

  • “the high rate of suicide among the unemployed is partly because people with a psychiatric illness are more likely to lose their jobs”

    Sorry but am I misunderstanding this person, is he telling me I lost my job 2008 because I had a ssychiatric illness? I beg to differ. The F Fail Government bought the WestLink toll bridge from the Roche family for EUR144million. That’s how I lost my job and was thrown on the dump. I was quite sane and still am, just about!

    • Your not mad

    • Just because all black sheep are sheep does not mean that all sheep are black sheep. Yes, a person with a serious mental illness is more likely to be at risk of loosing their job if the illness causes them to be unable to fulfil the responsibilities of the job. This isn’t nice but it is realistic. But no one has said that, because you have lost your job you are more likely to have a serious mental illness. That’s simply faulty logic. There is also a very clear distinction between serious mental illness and depression caused by social circumstances. The first is not necessarily less severe than the other, but they are not the same.

    • @Thomas McGrory

      Thanks! :)

  • Can I be critical and say that the headline is a bit misleading? From reading the article it is clear that there are a number of factors that contribute to the link however the headline suggest that if you loose your job you are more likely to commit suicide.

    Just sayin ;)

  • Never heard of or seen this man before. He’s a F Gael TD? Tell us something we don’t know. That article should be about a person, from anywhere in the country. Interview him/her, tell us all about their life, somebody that has worked all their life, paid taxes, bills, went out for a meal, for a drink, socialized when they were in employment. Then, the second part of the article/interview he/she should tell the readers what’s happening in his/her life now, now that he/she is unemployed, has nothing, no self-worth, no income, nowhere to go, no social life …. dead …. inside.

    • Sheila, FFg/Labour supporters giving you thumbs down is a statement of their attitude towards the plight of the lower income families in this country. For these parties, it is always Party first, country second. They are mimicking FF to the core.

    • @ Cal Mooney,

      I feel even the people who are fortunate (maybe) enough to be still working, are going to explode! This Government is not only squeezing the life out of the unemployed but is also doing it to the employed. There’s only so much money left to give, and that’s f . . k all! There has been too much promised to Angela Merkel and the French Government and now it’s catching up on us.

      I don’t know where this is going to go, but there’s going to be some sh1t hitting the fan in the next couple of months.

    • Sheila, you might not like the man’s politics but he has long advocated on this issue so cut him some slack!

    • Thejournal.ie should interview 2 or 3 TDs every week. Readers can learn something about their story, history, motivations and viewpoints.

    • Shame on you if you have never heard of this man-Dan Neville. He has been involved in the area of suicide for at least 20 years whether a TD or not, in Limerick, Munster and mationally. His political affiliation should mean nothing here.
      This is my first time ever commenting on The Journal-and I don’t know whether this forum where by anyone can post a common on any issue is helpful.
      This issue – suicide and the discussion on it- is a national, local and personal one. Cheap, lazy and uniformed views help nobody and lower the tone on a very emotional issue.

  • It’s just so sad that people feel that they have no other option but to take their own life, this is a long term solution to a short term problem, there is help out there for people feeling like this, Pieta House is a really good service and staff are caring, compassionate and confidential (if your not ready to speak to loved ones)… Please seek some help, suicide is not the answer

    The government should fund services for suicide prevention more, the Irish suicide statistics are very alarming!!!

  • @Gerard Madden,

    Keep your underpants on! I don’t feel I should feel any shame. How dare you speak down to somebody you don’t know. I live in Dublin, not Limerick! I have personal experience with suicide you’re not the only one. The fact that I don’t know this man doesn’t give you the right to speak to me the you have. Instead of being an ignorant ass you could have turned your message into something positive. Instead you lambased me because I didn’t know the man. If he was known nationally, I would have heard of him!

    I put it to you Mr. Madden, that you are the ‘lazy, cheap individual here, not me. Next time, you decide to insult somebody who may be uninformed, turn it into something positive!

  • :@ Sean Norris,

    Maybe somebody like this individual, Madden could have informed me, nicely, whom this man is. To me the way the article was written it was not informing people/readers whom he really was and the work he has done. As I said to him, he’s not the only one who has had the horrible experience of suicide.

    I find him a very rude individual and it’s a pity he didn’t turn his insult and name calling into something positive. Agression gets nobody anywhere, it just hurts people more than they are hurting already.

  • Dan Neville has been working on the issue of suicide now for years. He’s been wonderful in helping raise the issue and I’m a bit upset at some people trying to suggest here that FG doesn’t care about this when he’s right in the middle of this article raising the issue!

    • Oh sorry, you’re upset. Poor ole Fine Gael sher, let’s ignore the lack of help for people with mental health issues and those committing suicide in order to protect your feelings and one of the government parties. My God David, think before you write will ya!

    • What on earth can he do?

    • mart_n 25/04/12 #

      I’m no FG supporter but even I see the ridicule of Mr. Neville in this instance as being reactionary and not-very-well thought out. Neville, along with his Councillor son; Tom (who posts here a good bit), have been vocally supportive of mental heath reforms and initiatives for quite some time now. It really doesn’t seem to be a ‘hobby horse’ topic which they have latched onto for populist reasons.

      If other FG members were equally as determined in a cause as this guy then the party would be better off.

      Just because his colors are clearly set out on the party-political spectrum ; does not mean that his individually held opinions and outlooks are detestable or even wrong. If this kind of thinking is applied by everyone, and to every conclusion they arrive at; then nobody will ever be permitted to think for themselves, or to reconsider where their allegiances should rest.

      People aren’t robots. Try to be pragmatic instead of basing your defense on the shirt worn by the person passing you the ball.

    • Mart in amongst all your good will and elaborate sentences I fail to see your point. I didn’t even single the man out. Perhaps your post was meant for someone else.

    • mart_n 25/04/12 #

      Sorry Diarmaid. That wasn’t supposed to read as a reply to yourself. I meant it as a passing opinion but must have clicked the reply button instead of posting a new comment.

  • Going to work now 6.20 in the morning yea sure feel like killing myself.