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Department to examine rehiring of retired primary school teachers

Several retired teachers who were recently rehired by primary schools were taken on for more than 50 days.

THE DEPARTMENT OF Education and Skills is to examine several cases of retired teachers being rehired by primary schools for more than 50 days despite the Minister for Education calling on schools to prioritise the hiring of unemployed registered teachers.

The minister recently confirmed that 254 retired secondary school teachers and 67 retired primary school teachers have since been rehired by the Department of Education.

Responding to a parliamentary question from Fianna Fáil TD Brendan Smith, Quinn said that the teachers had retired in February and were re-employed on 1 March.

A spokesperson for the Department of Education told TheJournal.ie this evening that of the 67 retirees rehired by primary schools, 32 were employed for less than five days.

“It is likely that those teachers were employed for very short term absences when it was not possible to obtain an unemployed teacher,” they said.

However, seven of the teachers have been employed in excess of 50 days. The Department will examine these cases “to determine if there are particular reasons why they have been employed for such long periods”, the spokesperson said.

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In his response to Smith, Quinn also said that a circular had been distributed “to ensure, as far as possible, that people appointed to teach are registered teachers with qualifications appropriate to the sector and suitable to the post for which they are employed and that unemployed teachers are offered employment in preference to those who have retired”.

The circular “details a cascade of measures” concerned the recruitment of teachers, Quinn said, and prioritises hiring unemployed registered teachers.

These include a departmental measure allowing for the rehiring of teachers who had been teaching students preparing to take the Leaving and Junior Certs in 2012 immediately prior to their retirement. The minister says that this is intended to reduce the impact of staff changes on the exam students.

According to the Department of Education, returning retirees are paid at the first point of the salary scale and are not paid any qualifications allowances.

Figures obtained by Smith from the Department of Social Protection show that of the 430,000 people on the live register at the end of April, 8,674 said they were last employed in the teaching profession.

This includes people involved in teaching as well as in support roles including special needs assistants, school crossing attendants and cleaners.

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    Mute david whelan
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    May 23rd 2012, 10:26 PM

    Stop this madness – employ those teachers on job seekers and newly qualified teachers. How greedy can these people be?

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    Mute Ann Reddin
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    May 23rd 2012, 11:08 PM

    Blame the government that you voted for David. There should a law in place to stop this kind of thing happening. Utter disgrace.

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    Mute david whelan
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    May 23rd 2012, 11:25 PM

    Ann this has been going on for years – its a system / cultural issue. Lets get it sorted.

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    Mute Rory Conway
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    Aug 1st 2012, 7:30 PM

    Why just issue a Ministerial Order that this must stop? Only new bloods to be appointed

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    Mute Des Keegan
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    May 23rd 2012, 10:27 PM

    how is it not possible to obtain an unemployed teacher for hire within 50 days of getting a substitute retired one? sounds like good old favoritism to me.

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    Mute Mick 'The Bull' Daly
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    May 23rd 2012, 10:34 PM

    This is simply Ridiculous!! Newly qualified teachers and teachers who cant get a permanent job need to be looked at first!! Vote yes for jobs my arse!!!

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    Mute Shayno ZO
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    May 23rd 2012, 10:34 PM

    Its crap like this that gives credence to Europe running our country! The greed & stupidity would make you sick..

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    Mute Terry Turner
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    May 23rd 2012, 10:45 PM

    What is this to do with European rule?

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    Mute Shayno ZO
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    May 23rd 2012, 10:57 PM

    Terry, when people say to me we can’t run ourselves.. I’m assuming this type of thing is what they are talking about; Young teachers on dole and costing us money and recently retired with pension getting employed when they don’t need the money..

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    Mute alan
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    May 23rd 2012, 10:33 PM

    the original decision was first rate wasn’t it: teachers to retire….in february

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    Mute גירארד יעקובוביץ הנט
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    May 23rd 2012, 10:40 PM

    Hang on for a moment, would it be a bad thing if Enda Kenny, Michael Noonan, Micheal Martin and Brendan Howlin went back to teaching, and left the governing of Ireland to those who know what they are doing.

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    Mute Mick 'The Bull' Daly
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    May 23rd 2012, 10:47 PM

    No,These morons are way too out of touch,moreover they not good role models and are

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    Mute Mick 'The Bull' Daly
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    May 23rd 2012, 10:50 PM

    liars

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    Mute JOSEPHINE GILL
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    May 23rd 2012, 10:42 PM

    those teachers a just a bunch of greedy you know what, and certainly no role models for any student.

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    Mute Dexter Gordon
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    May 24th 2012, 1:07 AM

    Josephine, seems to be a lot of teachers giving you the thumbs down there ..

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    Mute John Conniffe
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    May 24th 2012, 2:54 AM

    I appreciate your outrage, I just want to say that teaching methods and perspectives have advanced a hell of a lot in the last twenty years. Yes, get rid of those who are coasting along, but don’t tar all teachers with the same brush. Teaching in Ireland is a two tier system; theres a type of older teacher who’s just cashing in, doing the minimum, getting a nice salary, ridiculous paid holidays, and either is or is looking forward to collecting a generous pension. Generally younger teachers are paid peanuts and are effectively contract workers without any basic benefits ( health insurance, pension, sometimes not even tax contributions ) and without any job security. They’re treated like dirt by management and older teachers, and yet they’re the ones who are sav

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    May 24th 2012, 3:09 AM

    I understand your outrage, but please don’t tar all teachers with the same brush. Teaching is a two-tier system in Ireland – the older teachers have or will get a generous pension, they receive a good salary, health insurance and ridiculous amounts of paid holidays and sick pay and, bitter as I sound, many coast along and do the bare minimum. This is fully condoned by the boards of management and the department of education. Younger teachers are paid peanuts and ate treated as freelancers, no pension, no health insurance, no sick pay, no holiday pay. Sometimes no tax contributions, although this is now technically illegal. They are the ones that put the extra hours in. They are the ones that cover the extra-curricular activities. They are ones who prevent kids falling through the cracks by contributing time and energy and care into what they’re doing. They’re watching the clock, counting the minutes, not because they want a coffee and a smoke, but because they want to shove as many ideas and ways of thinking into the kids’ heads in the time allowed. And instead of rewarding them, instead of giving them incentives, we treat them like dirt.

    I’m not a primary or secondary school teacher, and I don’t live in Ireland. I’m not blowing my own trumpet. But our educational system is good to hell because we’re not offering anything to the talented dedicated workers in education, we’re rewarding laziness, outdated methods and sloth. No wonder they’ll chance jobs or move to private schools. Please don’t have a blurry aim.

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    Mute John Conniffe
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    May 24th 2012, 3:10 AM

    Apologies for the double post.

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    May 24th 2012, 3:11 AM

    Apologies for the double post..

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    Mute Shannon Rooskey
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    May 23rd 2012, 11:24 PM

    My son was smacked in the back of his head by a “retired” teacher when he was 6. The woman was 75 and is still covering maternity leave! Absolute disgrace! Young teachers have the skills and patience to teach young kids, especially those with special needs. Those retired teachers are getting a good pension and taking away from the newly qualified teachers that could do with the wages, off the dole, and the experience would be invaluable!

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    Mute Jackie Crowe
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    May 23rd 2012, 10:42 PM

    this has been going on for years, i know one lady teacher who retired 10 years ago not even for a year, and has been working since, its the same old story and will continue, ireland does not do change, they complain over the pint and then go vote yes to make sure the change wont happen,, enda does as his told and so do all the muppets, we voted in individuals whom we thought had free speech, but can not say a word again the partys, 3 partys and 3 disasters and no chance of change,, all our youth will find jobs abroad, our school teachers can waitress, our bankers, bar tenders, we are welcomed to work in every other country except our own, so many looking for work with degrees and nothing there as we just like to rehire after giving pension and payouts,,,

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    Mute Karl O' Neill
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    May 23rd 2012, 11:14 PM

    This country is a disgrace. Will we ever learn? More of the same…

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    May 24th 2012, 12:04 AM

    @ Shannon. You took the words right out of my mouth. You could very well be talking about an ex neighbour of mine, who is roughly that age. As we speak, she is still employed to teach in primary schools. She retired well over ten years ago, and since then has deprived newly qualified teachers of a position in teaching. This is intrinsically unfair. The person that I’m referring to is also a bully, something that I think she thrives upon. I have witnessed her belittle a three year old child, who had gotten a present of a giant jigsaw puzzle, by claiming that her students, in her class, already had one. This was during Christmas. Mean, is an understatement in this case. Who would want such sad, sadistic and pathetic individuals teaching our children?. Worse than that, who would rehire such people?. The mind boggles.

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    Mute Rosie Kiernan
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    May 24th 2012, 12:07 AM

    just goes to show “its who we know not what we know”

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    Mute Adam Magari
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    May 23rd 2012, 11:41 PM

    Is there any intelligent life in cabinet?

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    Mute Scrap Croke Park
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    May 24th 2012, 12:52 AM

    No

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    Mute Jeff Nolan
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    May 23rd 2012, 11:51 PM

    Is there anything in the cabinet ?

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    Mute Niamh Hand
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    May 24th 2012, 12:44 AM

    It’s a joke. The principles hire back their pals!I have yet to meet a principle under 55!

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    Mute Dexter Gordon
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    May 24th 2012, 1:11 AM

    Principals – sorry, couldn’t help it, had to point out the spelling.

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    Mute John O'Neill
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    May 24th 2012, 8:36 PM

    Principals,(correct spelling) do not hire staff, Boards of Management do. Get your facts and your spelling right.

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    Mute jp quinn
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    May 24th 2012, 1:28 AM

    Has anybody considered the possibility that these teachers have been taken back on until exam cycle students have finished their exams ? Changing teachers 4 months before the leaving cert or junior cert could be damaging for the students ? Replace them in September with new teachers.

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    Mute Tony Mcintyre
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    May 24th 2012, 1:34 AM

    “several cases of retired teachers being rehired by primary schools”.. don’t think exams apply here ..

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    Mute Mark Gerard Lochlainn
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    May 24th 2012, 7:48 AM

    Vote yes for “jobs” my hairy arse…..! What a load of rubbish…! There are thousands of unemployed and highly qualified teachers out there that could fill these jobs…! It’s a disgrace but Ruaridh. And Enda couldn’t really give a shite….! Would love to sent that lot back into the classroom and off our screens!

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    Mute Maire Ni Chraith
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    May 24th 2012, 9:17 AM

    I read on the paper on Sunday that Joan burton has also reemployed two retired Garda for her own use. I rest my case.

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    Mute John O'Neill
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    May 24th 2012, 8:40 PM

    @ John Conniffe. What absolute ageist nonsense. On what evidence do you base your claim that older teachers are no good? The opposite is usually the fact as I find it.

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    Mute John Conniffe
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    May 24th 2012, 10:23 PM

    I said that older teachers TEND not to be the best candidates. Of course there are older teachers who both keep up with modern teaching methods and continue to care about and enjoy teaching. I’ve had the pleasure and honour to know a few of them. But many do not. Teaching is intense work, the truth is that teachers burn out. I’ll take the liberty of presuming that you are an “older teacher”. Rather than posting up an emotional “knee jerk” response, please take some time to reason out why I’m wrong and then post up your view in the form of a rational argument. When students are punished for correcting their teachers, and the students’ are correct, that is the fault of the teacher, not the pupil. That’s not teaching, that’s bullying. This happens far more regularly than we’d like to admit.

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    Mute Irish-in-USA
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    May 24th 2012, 2:27 AM

    Any form of discrimination is wrong, be it “affirmative” or “negative”! You should hire the most suitable person for the job regardless of age, gender, sexual orientation etc. any preference given to any collective or individual is pure discrimination and should not be tolerated!

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    Mute John Conniffe
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    May 24th 2012, 3:19 AM

    Retired teachers tend not to be the best candidates for the post. Teaching methods have advanced and evolved over the years and decades. Would you hire a computer programmer today who had decided in the mid-eighties that he/she had nothing more to learn about programming languages and methodology? That is the situation in the Irish Educational system. The best, brightest, most talented, they’re changing industries or leaving the country because they’re being treated as unskilled labour.

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    May 24th 2012, 12:42 AM

    Department – sorry couldn’t help it had to point out the spelling!

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    Mute Brendan Williamson
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    May 24th 2012, 11:45 AM

    I know it says that 8,674 people currently on the dole used to be employed in the teaching profession, but once you strip away the auxiliary school staff, and people who by teach, mean teach in an environment that isn’t a primary/secondary school that doesn’t leave that many teachers.

    Looking at the school system, that doesn’t seem to be enough to cover the places these retired people are filling. Most of this is short term, odd hours, maternity leave, as mentioned above, and there are a lot more retired teachers that would do a couple of days here and there than there are unemployed teachers. This is exactly the same as the unqualified maths teacher debacle, a school near me spent all summer and September, 4 months, trying to find a maths teacher to replace someone that was leaving. They couldn’t find someone, and eventually I convinced them to take me. I’ve been teaching for a year with no teaching or 3rd level qualifications, because the school couldn’t find anybody else. The same is happening here with retired teachers, the schools aren’t prioritising them, they’re resorting to them.

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    Mute John Conniffe
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    May 24th 2012, 10:32 PM

    Only because the schools are not offering positions that give both the financial incentives and respect that younger teachers rightly deserve. I personally know many qualified and talented teachers who switched to retail and call-centre jobs, or became full-time private tutors because working in a state-funded school simply wasn’t viable. The money they earned in state-schools was their income, not a bonus to add to their monthly pension. If you want motivated, skilled workers, you have to offer suitable incentives. This isn’t happening.

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    Mute Evelyn O'Connor
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    Jun 30th 2012, 8:12 AM
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