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Votes being counted at the RDS count centre in Dublin for the 2020 general election. Alamy Stock Photo

Has a politician 'scraped through' if they were elected in the later counts?

A political scientist from Trinity College Dublin says such a claim is ‘misleading’.

IN IRELAND, ALL elections – Dáil, Seanad, presidential, European and local – are decided through proportional representation with a single transferable vote (PR-STV).

Voters indicate their first and subsequent choices for the candidates on the ballot paper by marking the relevant number in the box beside a person’s name. 

You indicate your first choice by writing ’1′ opposite that candidate and ’2′ opposite your second choice, and so on.

By doing so, you are instructing that your vote be transferred to your second preference if your first choice is either elected with a surplus of votes over the quota or is eliminated.

If your second choice is elected or eliminated, your vote may be transferred to your third choice, and so on.

Many politicians will be dreaming of being elected on the first count, but it can be a long wait for others.

For example, current Taoiseach Simon Harris didn’t meet the quota and was elected on the 15th count in the Wicklow constituency in the 2020 election, while former Taoiseach Leo Varadkar had to wait until the fifth count.

taoiseach-leo-varadkar-at-phibblestown-community-centre-in-dublin-holds-a-sheet-of-paper-with-the-breakdown-of-votes-listens-to-supporters-as-counting-continues-in-the-2020-irish-general-election-cou Leo Varadkar at Phibblestown Community Centre holds a sheet of paper with a breakdown of votes as counting continued in the 2020 general election in Dublin West. Alamy Stock Photo Alamy Stock Photo

“Simon Harris and Leo Varadkar barely scraped in yet both become the Taoiseach,” wrote one user on X in recent months.

Harris scraped through on the 15th count, without reaching the quota,” remarked another.

“Harris didn’t reach the electoral quota in his own constituency after no less than 15 counts, how is he a fit person to lead the country as Taoiseach if his own constituency didn’t trust him,” said another.

So is there any legitimacy to such claims, that an election in the later counts is in some way lesser than being elected on the first count?

‘Disingenuous debate’

“It’s very misleading,” says Gail McElroy, a professor of political science at Trinity College Dublin.

She told The Journal that it doesn’t matter what count you get elected on.

“You get elected or you don’t,” said McElroy, “it’s not even a conversation which count you get elected on.

“It’s a very disingenuous debate and is irrelevant and misleading.”

When asked about former Taoiseach Leo Varadkar being elected on the fifth count in 2020, McElroy said: “Varadkar got over 19% of the vote, one in five people in that constituency voted for him.

“He got elected second and he was very few votes short of a quota.

“It’s particularly disingenuous in the case of Varadkar because he had a good performance for an incumbent Taoiseach and was popular in his constituency.

“For example, in Dun Laoghaire in 2020, no one was elected until the sixth count, so you can’t even compare across constituencies, or even within constituencies.”

McElroy said the same logic applies when a candidate is elected without meeting the quota, as was the case for Simon Harris in 2020.

“You’re the last standing candidate and you did well,” said McElroy.

“It depends on the distribution of the vote, how many candidates are running, all of those sorts of things, but when a candidate is elected it’s absolutely legitimate.”

Michael Gallagher, Emeritus professor of political science at TCD, said similar.

He told The Journal that there is “really no validity” in the claims.

“The order of a candidate’s election isn’t significant,” said Gallagher.

“One candidate might just exceed the quota on the first count while being unpopular with all the other voters, while another might be clearly on course for election from the start and with wide support from a range of voters, even if some way short of the quota on the first count.

He added that there is “no validity in inferring that a TD elected early in the count is somehow more popular, or has a stronger mandate, than one elected on a later count”.

Vote management

Meanwhile, the PR-STV means that political parties have to carefully divide up their constituency if they wish to get two party candidates elected.

For example, Independent Ireland candidate Thomas McEllistrim took the unusual step of putting out an advert with the Kenmare News in Co Kerry asking for voters to consider him as their second preference.

This strange request might have been an attempt to gain the surpluses of Kerry brothers Danny Healy-Rae and Michael Healy-Rae, who themselves published a map of how their supporters should cast their votes in order to maximise the likelihood of the two being re-elected.

Gc_ebDoXYAAEHg7 Newspaper advert highlighting preferred vote transfers for the Healy-Rae in Kerry

McElory told The Journal that while such vote management is “very difficult”, Irish parties are “very sophisticated at it”.

“It’s very impressive,” said McElory, “but you need a lot of information about voters’ preferences and the distribution of their preferences.

“How much of a vote will leak from one candidate to the second candidate within a party is very complex.”

She noted that it is easier to divide up some constituencies than others.

“For example, in a big constituency like Carlow-Kilkenny, a party could simply choose someone from Carlow and another from Kilkenny and kind of manage the vote that way.

“A party could also have a code of conduct and ask candidates to concentrate their canvassing in certain areas of the district, but it is a complex and tricky thing to manage.”

McElroy added that parties will be wary of under or over-nominating candidates.

In 2020, Sinn Féin under nominated candidates and McElroy remarked that the party “didn’t realise there was a vote surge”.

On the other hand, if a party were to over nominate candidates, they may have similar first preference votes but none elected.

“A party might run three candidates, they are reasonably equal and none of them get elected, but if you ran two, you might even get both of them in,” said McElroy.

“But the parties are on the ground doing informal polls to get a sense of that long before the official campaign starts.”

Strategic voting

Elsewhere, McElroy said that while no electoral system is immune to strategic voting, it is difficult for voters to do so under the PR-STV system.

“It’s not impossible, and some people are very informed and sophisticated, but strategic management of the vote by parties is probably a bigger issue,” said McElroy.

While some parties will deliver literature suggesting one-two in one direction in one part of the constituency, and the reverse order in other areas, McElroy warned this comes with potential pitfalls.

McElroy pointed to an example from the Northern Ireland Assembly Election in 2003, which also uses the PR-STV system.

In an attempt to gain a seat from the SDLP in the Assembly elections in west Belfast, Sinn Féin ran five candidates in the six-seater constituency.

But the decision backfired and ended up contributing to the DUP’s Diane Dodds being elected – it was the only time a unionist has been elected in that constituency.

“It’s tricky and you’ll never have perfect information on voters,” said McElroy, who added that another factor is that many voters make up their mind during the campaign.

“Around 80% of people say they make up their vote on the day,” said McElroy, “so it is an imperfect information environment.”

McElroy also remarked that while some voters will follow party instructions, many others will have “strong rules of their own”.

“Strong party voters are more amenable to that message, but the reality is that upwards of 50% of Irish voters are voting on the basis of candidate, rather than party.”

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    Mute FlipBip
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    Dec 31st 2024, 12:45 AM

    Quick reminder that the government could legalise cannabis tomorrow, if they wanted to. But they don’t, for some reason.

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    Dec 31st 2024, 2:58 AM

    @FlipBip: what is the Maroccan government doing ? Follow the money

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    Dec 31st 2024, 8:40 AM

    @FlipBip: the smell of it is reason enough to ban it

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    Dec 31st 2024, 10:11 AM

    @Basildon Joe: Lmao, boomers like you must be terrified from an article like this :)

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    Dec 31st 2024, 3:40 PM

    @Basildon Joe: Erm would one of the main reasons to legalise it not be to ensure the public have safe and legal choices?! Your comment makes literally no sense! I’m assuming you read and comment on the Daily Mail a lot?! Proper Peter Hitchens goo brain conservatism as usual!

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    Dec 31st 2024, 1:17 AM

    It’s legal in some G7 countries and governments collect huge amounts of tax from it and there seems to be no more affect from using it than having a few pints so why not legalize it in Ireland?

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    Dec 31st 2024, 3:00 AM

    @Ned: yes but how ?

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    Dec 31st 2024, 10:05 AM

    @Ned: because as with all commodities that are taxed black markets follow – cigs, car fuels, prescription drugs, alcohol. These are far more dangerous.

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    Dec 31st 2024, 10:12 AM

    @Ned: We’re an impossible people Ned. Never happen

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    Dec 31st 2024, 4:28 PM

    @Thesaltyurchin: you are right impossible people is an Irish problem

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    Jan 1st 2025, 3:21 PM

    @Nerb: The black market already exists!

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    Dec 31st 2024, 1:05 AM

    Legalise and tax

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    Dec 31st 2024, 3:01 AM

    @qffaffaf affrafrfraf: easier said than done.

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    Dec 31st 2024, 7:59 AM

    @offside again: 177 people caught drug driving last week alone putting the lives of other drivers in danger.Think about that for minute.

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    Dec 31st 2024, 8:23 AM

    @Willie Marty: Was anyone caught drunk driving? Weak argument.

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    Dec 31st 2024, 8:42 AM

    @Diarmuid Hunt: the article is about drugs.Read it.

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    Dec 31st 2024, 9:32 AM

    @Willie Marty: I did. However your comment was about drug driving. People use a legal inhibiting substance and drive and risk other people’s lives. Is people acting irresponsibly a valid reason to ban alcohol?

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    Dec 31st 2024, 9:48 AM

    @Diarmuid Hunt: were you ever advised “if you drink dont drive”

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    Dec 31st 2024, 10:53 AM

    @Willie Marty: Yes I was numerous times by many adverts from the RSA as were all the people who chose to drink and drive… it obviously doesn’t stop it happening. Are you saying people that drug drive don’t understand the implications of driving under the influence and that a simple PSA would sort it?

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    Dec 31st 2024, 11:18 AM

    @Willie Marty: Cant lump Cannabis in with all drugs. Still waiting for that first challenge on the courts tho, go to Amsterdam for a weekend the following week your arrested for drug driving in Ireland… gonna be an interesting case.

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    Dec 31st 2024, 11:40 AM

    @Diarmuid Hunt: no drugs no alcohol-less misery less crime and more productive lives for all.

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    Dec 31st 2024, 11:46 AM

    @Willie Marty: False narrative, money creates crime.

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    Dec 31st 2024, 12:14 PM

    @Thesaltyurchin: it sure does and theres money in drugs.

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    Dec 31st 2024, 2:36 PM

    @Willie Marty: More productive or more profitable?

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    Dec 31st 2024, 3:04 PM

    @Diarmuid Hunt: a bit of both.

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    Dec 31st 2024, 11:07 PM

    @Willie Marty: yeah and all the people who might’ve had a blunt a week ago and still fail it. Wake up there’s people with cancer who can’t access is because of these stupid laws.

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    Jan 1st 2025, 3:23 PM

    @Willie Marty: Prohibition worked great in the USA! It caused no crime at all……

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    Dec 31st 2024, 12:51 AM

    There is a huge industry around the so called treatment for cannabis abuse , and do called experts acting like there they are speaking from position of proven facts ,When the truth is there is only limited real facts available as off now ,And you look a bit closer you will see ,the do called experts on cannabis abuse are usually making a fortune from so called treatment programs

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    Dec 31st 2024, 1:10 AM

    @Robert Halvey: yep all a big scam. Really wish the Irish people would do their own research on cannabis. So many smart people using it for various illnesses.

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    Dec 31st 2024, 3:17 AM

    @LegalisationSavesLives: i use it to get stoned. Sometimes i use alchohol to get drunk.
    i use paracetamol for pain. Tea to get me going, nicotine for i dont know what.
    i go to the doctor if i feel i should.

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    Dec 31st 2024, 3:26 AM

    @offside again: Are you a functioning human now though??

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    Dec 31st 2024, 3:59 AM

    @offside again: Tea to get you going? Fluck me, you’re a special case for sure. Happy New Year, tho ..

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    Dec 31st 2024, 4:03 AM

    @Donna Fallon: yes, I have a job. I am a functionning member of society.

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    Dec 31st 2024, 8:57 AM

    @offside again: sounds like you need a lobotomy

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    Dec 31st 2024, 11:24 AM

    @reg morrisey: Sounds like everyone else on this comment has already had one tbf!. Talk about reactionary, you folks are really finding food on those rocks at the bottom! :)

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    Dec 31st 2024, 2:01 AM

    Torn on this one… the weed that’s being distributed in recent years is seriously strong (and or dipped in other substances) compared to the stuff circulating back in my day. I know too many young people who have experienced severe irreversible drug- induced psychosis from it’s usage. If it was legalised and regulated, it might clean up the market??

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    Dec 31st 2024, 2:49 AM

    @Donna Fallon: don’t know a single person who had a bad reaction to weed ,
    Where are all these people who suffer from REEFER MADNESS

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    Dec 31st 2024, 3:03 AM

    @Donna Fallon: sure you do Donna. Funny enough I’ve never know anyone over all the years I was involved in the music/clubbing scene who had a psychosis episode from weed intake,the ones I did know that had issues were with alcohol and cocaine

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    Dec 31st 2024, 3:17 AM

    @sean weir: Go to the psychosis unit in St. John of God Stillorgan Dublin

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    Dec 31st 2024, 3:23 AM

    @HisMastersAlibi: Go to the psychosis unit in St. John of God Stillorgan Dublin. Yup admittedly, my episodes were from uppers like coke, alcohol and ecstasy. Do not try to downplay the affects of weed, hash, resin, oil etc. Honestly any stoner I was in school with is now either in a home or still living with their parents. No motivation.

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    Dec 31st 2024, 3:25 AM

    @sean weir: i do and it was back in the day. Alchohol can also have an immediate and negative effect on some people.
    But that’s not the point.
    Tread carefully

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    Dec 31st 2024, 3:30 AM

    @offside again: You’re offside again.

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    Dec 31st 2024, 3:31 AM

    @Donna Fallon: Legalisation that allowed people to grow a few plants and organised regulated dispensaries to sell to adult consumers as in other jurisdictions, would greatly reduce the risk of young people buying cannabis laced with other drugs, etc, to either increase potency or just to add weight.

    It wouldn’t end the business of drug dealers, but it would give people better options and likely clean up the entire market, especially if testing of cannabis products was easily available to consumers, then any contamination of the pure product would be made evident, making it less appealing and harder to sell, which would therefore force even the non-regulated market to clean up it’s act.

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    Dec 31st 2024, 4:28 AM

    @Dvsespaña: wow man

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    Dec 31st 2024, 10:03 AM

    @Donna Fallon: utter nonsense

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    Dec 31st 2024, 10:12 AM

    @Donna Fallon: I feel you nothing about Cannabis Donna, but it seems you know everything. I’m conflicted.

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    Dec 31st 2024, 11:21 AM

    @Basildon Joe: For the sake of any unsuspecting reader; If a person experiences Psychosis OR an extremely rare case of Schizophrenia it is 100% because they are predisposed to it!… know yourself, don’t wait to find out!

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    Dec 31st 2024, 11:36 AM

    @Thesaltyurchin: Lol I wish I knew everything!! No on a serious note, I have first hand experience of the negative effects of THC. When I was young, I used to travel almost monthly to Amsterdam- wasn’t my drug of choice personally. However, I’ve family members and close friends whose lives have literally been arrested due to abuse of that substance- I’m not talking about those who have the occasional spliff.

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    Dec 31st 2024, 11:37 AM

    @Shimo F: Prove me wrong!!

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    Dec 31st 2024, 11:49 AM

    @Donna Fallon: eh no. You don’t.

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    Dec 31st 2024, 11:59 AM

    @Donna Fallon: Appreciate that’s your version of reality Donna, but that’s a tiny, tiny percentage of people who are mostly fine. My lived experience is one where everyone who enjoys Cannabis is completely normal, with families and very active lives, zero mental health knock on (if anything in the opposite direction!). The only negative is organised crime but with more people growing at home this could be wiped out (never entirely, but to the point where it makes little revenue), leaving facilities and law enforcement free to actually save lives. Genuinely believe society is worse off on the outside of issues like this, in Ireland tho we do like people to be ‘worse off’ tho

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    Dec 31st 2024, 2:47 PM

    @sean weir: You’ve obviously never seen the teenagers with irreversible psychological problems due to early cannabis use. I see these kids every day, crippled with anxiety and depression that they’ll have to live with for the rest of their lives. Every one of them says the same thing, that cannabis is harmless. Multiple independent studies show the harm that this drug does to young brains. Just because you don’t know anyone affected doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen.

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    Jan 1st 2025, 1:58 PM

    @stephen deegan: That’s an excellent reason to legalise and regulate.

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    Jan 1st 2025, 3:25 PM

    @Donna Fallon: That is exactly what it does. Controls the quality of the product and makes it safer for everyone.

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    Jan 1st 2025, 3:27 PM

    @HisMastersAlibi: The new hybrid stuff is shockingly strong. It is not like the mellow pout stuff of the past. Very speedy!

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    Jan 1st 2025, 3:29 PM

    @Basildon Joe: I have never in nearly 50 years of knowing about it. Seen anybody use cannabis and get violent. Other drugs yes they do but a dope head is too laid back to get angry!

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    Dec 31st 2024, 12:53 AM

    Toby and Sam are two beautiful Springer Spaniels, lovely temperament, clever and great with kids!

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    Dec 31st 2024, 2:53 AM

    The article reads like a 12 year old has written it .
    A “dab rig” really????

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    Dec 31st 2024, 6:40 AM

    @sean weir: Google “dab rig” .
    We are not accustomed to this in Ireland, cos the product is extremely unusual here. I believe it’s probably similar to an electric vaporiser, but which will contain the melted substance, which becomes liquid when heated.
    I think there are many such products available to buy online.

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    Dec 31st 2024, 10:17 AM

    @sean weir: It’s hilarious eh? Design to terrify boomers and the good sky fearing Irish, lol. This is all old old, largely inconsequential news. Even the commenter above is mystified by “dab rig”

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    Dec 31st 2024, 11:32 AM

    The country is riddled with Drugs & is the gateway to Europe from Drug Lords. Drug gangs in control of many communities now & communities suffering from Crimes connected to Drugs, all thanks to our ineffective Minister for Justice, Helen Mc Entee, who has overseen the collapse of Law & Order, a failed Justice system, dysfunctional Garda Siochana & overcrowded Prisons, too busy bringing in the harshest Hate Crime legislation in Europe, which became law last night. Govt will now use these Hate Laws to silence all free speech & criticism of their open door Immigration policies. We had a senior Garda figure state inaccuracies on National Television this week around vetting of Immigrants. Eurodac data base does not cover Criminality in Africa or the Middle East !

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    Dec 31st 2024, 9:25 AM

    Them dogs look like they’re on butane honey oil.

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    Dec 31st 2024, 11:50 AM

    @Bills n Stuff: well they’d have to be. That’s how they are trained.

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    Dec 31st 2024, 11:15 AM

    I am sure it’s great for your lungs

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    Dec 31st 2024, 11:46 AM

    Zero tolerance

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    Dec 31st 2024, 12:01 PM

    @James Leahy: ooof we’d love a bit of zero tolerance eh? Walking into peoples living rooms and forcing them to live like us… cannot wait

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    Dec 31st 2024, 12:11 PM

    @Thesaltyurchin: who mentioned walking into people’s living rooms.Zero tolerance on our roads ie drug and drink driving.

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    Jan 1st 2025, 2:02 PM

    @James Leahy: We already prosecute drivers who are completely sober for having trace amounts of non psychoactive THC metabolites in their system. How zero tolerance would you like it to get ?

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    Dec 31st 2024, 10:19 AM

    Jeepers! look at us gather ‘the news’, with no shoes, in the pouring rain. How do we even manage, lol.

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