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This week on The Explainer, we speak to Dog Behaviourist Nanci Creedon who tells us more these headline-grabbing dogs and looks at what evidence there is on whether some breeds are more aggressive than others.

RECENT REPORTS OF dog attacks in the UK has led to Prime Minister Rishi Sunak announcing plans to ban a certain breed of pitbull, the American bully XL.

However, do bans on certain breeds of dog work to reduce such incidents?

Concerns grew over the decision to implement a ban after it was determined that there are severe difficulties with categorising the dogs into the breed.

This week on The Explainer, we speak to dog behaviourist Nanci Creedon who tells us more about how these restrictions and bans impact the behaviours of both the dogs themselves and their owners.

Is there any evidence that these bans are in any way effective? And is there anything to suggest that certain breeds are inherently more aggressive?

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    Oct 10th 2023, 9:45 AM

    Welfare increases for those who don’t contribute
    Tax cuts for those on higher incomes and thosewho are well off
    Nothing for workers on 27 to 39k

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    Oct 10th 2023, 9:53 AM

    @: Those on what you call hgher incomes are being fleeced every month for taxes. Where is the incentive when the govenrment takes most of what you earn?

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    Oct 10th 2023, 9:56 AM

    @: the one payment not listed above in the social welfare increases is the jobseekers! I have no issue with increases to those who have a disability, carers, working family payment etc. V interested to see the new Jobseekers structure as it would appear that working for a period would prove to be much more lucrative than being on the basic jobseeker payment.

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    Oct 10th 2023, 10:46 AM

    So carers don’t contribute, pensioners, those with disabilities.

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    Oct 10th 2023, 11:00 AM

    That’s it exactly,sqweeze the lowest end of the so called middle right down to the lowest continually, disappointing to say the least

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    Mute Donal Desmond
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    Oct 10th 2023, 11:02 AM

    You blame people who do not contribute as you put it. Vast majority of those on social welfare have contributed to the system. People may be between jobs or out on sick leave. Perhaps it’s the politicians who sprout People who get up early in the morning must be looked after and yet fail to even consider them. There will always be a section of society that will abuse the system . On the other side the same politicians gave the banks a 20 year dispensation from paying corporation tax. The same banks the taxpayers money bailed out and then the same taxpayers were forced through austerity to repay for the gangsterism of the banks and developers facilated by the same politicians.

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    Mute James Carolan
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    Oct 10th 2023, 11:28 AM

    @: The government that takes most of what you earn and gives it out to those who are not bothered their a%s£ to earn. Sick of the lazy society getting looked after all the time.

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    Oct 10th 2023, 11:32 AM

    Welfare do contribute though everything you buy is taxed.

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    Oct 10th 2023, 11:35 AM

    @Donal Desmond: Don’t fool yourself Donal. The vast amount of people on social welfare, haven’t contributed in a very long time. They’ve taken more than they’ve given.
    I’ve no empirical evidence for that statement. There … it’s annoying when somebody makes a statement without any foundation, isn’t it?

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    Oct 10th 2023, 12:00 PM

    @xmasbride: Unless you’ve paid or pay a form of income and PRSI, you don’t contribute anything.
    If you live on welfare you whole live, you receive state money and give some back in VAT and other taxes.
    Since you never “earned” the money thru labour, you’re not contributing anything.

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    Mute Brian Meagher
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    Oct 10th 2023, 12:59 PM

    @: Those who earn between 27k and 39k pay between 1/12th and 1/8th of their income in tax. Not to put too fine a point on it, but they have already received very significant tax cuts.

    We should be aggressively lowering marginal taxes rates across the board, to encourage more people to work and attract the key skills we need.

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    Oct 10th 2023, 1:19 PM

    I’m on 62k,I’m a single father,pay for my son,pay my mortgage, health insurance,life insurance,my pension contribution,everything while on the higher tax,I’m entitled to nothing,when I was on 40k,I had more money,I happily pay my tax so pensioners and anyone on welfare get looked after, people that lose their jobs,there is a tiny minority that milk the system and of course that’s annoying but for you to say I’m well off cause I’m on more than 39k, shows you haven’t a clue

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    Oct 10th 2023, 2:00 PM

    @Daniel Roche: you may not get “as much” as some people but you do get child benefit along with a bonus payment this year and 3 electricity credits totalling 450 euro. As a single person with no kids and on significantly less than your income I will not get as much in this budget.

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    Oct 10th 2023, 2:13 PM

    @Gearoid MacEachaidh: No I don’t get child benefit,yes the same electricity credit that everyone is getting,so we are getting the same,nice try,try again.

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    Oct 10th 2023, 2:15 PM

    @Gearoid MacEachaidh: you clearly have no idea about a single father,we are entitled to nothing.

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    Oct 10th 2023, 2:27 PM

    @Gearoid MacEachaidh: You happy to say you are sorry and your comment was a lie

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    Oct 10th 2023, 2:27 PM

    Obviously you don’t intend to become an old age pensioner. Sacrificing your life for others

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    Oct 10th 2023, 2:41 PM

    @: the so called well off are those who actually create jobs and invest in the country

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    Oct 10th 2023, 2:42 PM

    @Brian O’Grady: economically , no. So you want to be paid for looking after family ? One’s main obligation was life .

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    Oct 10th 2023, 2:42 PM

    @Daniel Roche: why don’t you get child benefit? If you are “paying for your kid as a single father” as you claim then I would assume he falls within the child benefit category? If not then he/she is an adult and you’re not responsible for them. And I am not “trying” anything. I’m just pointing out you are benefitting from this budget and better than many others will be. Am I wrong? If so explain.

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    Oct 10th 2023, 2:45 PM

    @Daniel Roche: I work in the system and am very well aware what single parents are entitled to, under law. So go on, what did I get wrong. Or what did I “lie” about lol?

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    Oct 10th 2023, 3:02 PM

    @Gearoid MacEachaidh: single fathers don’t get anything,we used to get €100 a month,that’s gone and only the mother can claim it,you are totally wrong and it’s actually just mad how wrong you are, best of luck my friend.

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    Oct 10th 2023, 3:05 PM

    @Gearoid MacEachaidh: I’m a single father and you are not telling the truth,my god why are you not telling the truth,my god why lie.

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    Oct 10th 2023, 3:07 PM

    @Gearoid MacEachaidh: you are a lying,why are you lying, what is wrong with you my friend

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    Oct 10th 2023, 3:08 PM

    @Gearoid MacEachaidh: education is no burden

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    Oct 10th 2023, 3:10 PM

    @Daniel Roche: Who’s looking after the child you’re on about?

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    Oct 10th 2023, 3:24 PM

    @Daniel Roche: OK so either you’re NOT a single father and the child is living with his mother and you’re paying maintainence for your child, as any father should. Or the child is living with you and you ARE recieving child benefit like every other parent in the country and will benefit from the double payment announced today. Which one is it? You’re being very vague, I wonder why. But if you are a single father and your child is living with you you receive child benefit and will receive the double payment. No point lying about this Daniel or telling me I don’t know what I’m talking about which seems to be your go-to retort to anyone who questions you. Literally everyone in the country knows how Child Benefit works.

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    Oct 10th 2023, 3:27 PM

    If we get work our rents will go up, whats de point

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    Oct 10th 2023, 3:45 PM

    @Gearoid MacEachaidh: I think he means he has a child that lives with the child’s mother and this chap does not live with them he lives in a different place and pays child maintenance like many fathers that have children with women that they don’t live with.

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    Oct 10th 2023, 3:49 PM

    @Daniel Roche: not really my fault the Mrs left you. Also your mortgage is for your own house and your pension is for your benefit too.
    Now come on down to 36 k where you can’t afford to buy a house or invest in a pension. You haven’t a clue pal

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    Oct 10th 2023, 4:59 PM

    @Brian O’Grady: I see a lot of people on disability who’s only problem is the ability to get up before midday, also they seem to have miraculous recoverys at the weekends

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    Oct 10th 2023, 6:13 PM

    @Ian Cryan: yes that’s what I assume his situation is. So why doesn’t he just say that? In that case his wife is a single mother and unless he shares custody 50/50 then his wife would get the child benefit. If he does share custody 50/50 the mother usually gets the child benefit alright unless there is a different agreement between the parents. This can be reflected in any maintenence payment. But we’ll never know because he is being vague and calling everyone a liar. We can only guess his situation.

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    Oct 10th 2023, 6:17 PM

    @Brian molloy: the disability payment system is about to have a massive overhaul. Watch this space.

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    Oct 10th 2023, 6:27 PM

    @Wolfgang Bonow: oh I didn’t know that

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    Mute he didnt take the 120k because he already got it s
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    Oct 10th 2023, 6:39 PM

    @Rob Cahill: the same people that get wage increases every year in the budget through taxes, min wage increase means im barely earning above min wage now, even the scroungers get more than i do out of the budget

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    Oct 10th 2023, 6:45 PM

    @: And where is your evidence to support your presupposition? The unemployment rate right now is 4.2%, the long term unemployment rate is 1.2%. I have no idea what a “a very long time” is to you but according to the CSO, almost 72.5% of people on the dole have been there a year or less which is by definition described as “short-term unemployed”. Many of the long-term unemployed are stay-at-home parents (read the “Growing up in Ireland Reports if you want the empirical data on that stuff). Young people have much higher unemployment rates which skews the average somewhat. For example the unemployment rate for 15-19-year-olds is 18% and for 15-25-year old’s is 12.2%.

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    Oct 10th 2023, 7:52 PM

    @ Hugh De Payans. And where is your evidence to support your presupposition? The unemployment rate right now is 4.2%, and the long term unemployment rate is 1.2%. I have no idea what a “very long time” is to you but according to the CSO, almost 72.5% of people on the dole have been there a year or less which is by definition described as “short-term unemployed”. Many of the long-term unemployed are stay-at-home parents (read the “Growing up in Ireland Reports if you want the empirical data on that stuff). Young people have much higher unemployment rates which skews the average somewhat. For example, the unemployment rate for 15-19-year-olds is 18% and for 15-25-year old’s is 12.2%.

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    Oct 10th 2023, 7:54 PM

    @Wolfgang Bonow: That’s puritan rubbish – if you won the lottery tomorrow, would you consider yourself “worthless” because you hadn’t saved that sum by hard labour?

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    Oct 10th 2023, 8:00 PM

    @Christy Dolan: No. Some long-suffering people do act as carers for a pittance with no respite. They contribute far more than you realise. There are people minding children so their parents can go to work. If people have “an obligation” to look after family full-time, they should have enough to live on and occasional breaks. That does nothing for the hardworking people who were orphaned or indeed taken into care by our State and who either have no family or aren’t allowed to know of family members.

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    Oct 10th 2023, 9:31 PM

    @Donal Desmond: every town and village and city has generations of families that never worked a day in there life and know the system inside out, down the road from me there is a family and the couple have a council house each and they rent one out and none of there family ever worked

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    Oct 10th 2023, 9:41 PM

    @Sill Scoundrel: long term unemployed is classed as 9 months when your assessed for unemployment assistance you are then long term unemployed. That’s when you get Xmas bonus fuel allowance and all other benefits. Short term is the first 9 months and all your intitled to is your stamp you paid and no bonus or fuel allowance

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    Oct 10th 2023, 11:13 PM

    It’s a disgrace Joe

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    Oct 11th 2023, 1:11 AM

    Yes social welfare and pensioners got a increase. As a pensioner I contributed to this state when we were taxed to the hilt. Every time there was a recession and people lost there jobs the likes of FFG within weeks were pointing to the burden of people on the dole. It is the same FFG who state people who get up early should be looked after …Just another soundbite from Varadkar. They are quite willing to exempt the banks from corporate taxes for the next 20 years, and sweet deals for Vulture companies, Tax brakes for the higher earners , and yet people point to social welfare…While the blame is squarely on the shoulders of FFG/ Greens.

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    Oct 11th 2023, 6:47 AM

    @Hugh De Payans: As I stated in any society there will be people who abuse the system, but the vast majority will seek employment. On the other hand the Vulture companies invited in and giving the green carpet by Noonan pay the minimum amount of tax. The banks bailed out using taxpayers money and the same taxpayers including those on social welfare were again forced through austerity to repay again for the gangsterism of the banks and developers facilated by the same political parties. The same banks who now get 20 years corporate tax free. You point the finger at social welfare? Yet in this budget..landlords will receive more than the people who rent…Sweet Jesus.

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    Oct 10th 2023, 10:31 AM

    As usual, there’s more thought of you if you sit on your tod at home every day. Life-long dolers getting double this & double that.

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    Oct 10th 2023, 10:33 AM

    Quit your job so and go on the dole if it is so lucrative.

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    Oct 10th 2023, 10:48 AM

    Carers, pensioners those with disabilities. Agree though, any able bodied person out of work over a year should be cut off, no excuse

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    Oct 10th 2023, 1:41 PM

    @Brian O’Grady: so what about the many thousands of Irish with metal health issues, which also have no access to mental health services?

    Into the ditch with them?

    Remembering that Ireland loses over a billion a year due to untreated ADHD alone.

    And that that is TWICE what longterm social welfare costs the country.

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    Oct 10th 2023, 5:18 PM

    @Dusty Bawls: nah, I’ve more respect for myself. Same can’t be said for you obviously

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    Oct 10th 2023, 5:19 PM

    @Chris O’Brien: everyone has access to mental health services. It’s far from a perfect system, but it’s there.

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    Oct 10th 2023, 6:03 PM

    @Brian O’Grady: Forgetting about mental health, very poor.

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    Oct 10th 2023, 6:10 PM

    @ :Have you tried using them?

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    Oct 10th 2023, 9:11 AM

    It’s a pity every budget is give very little. Take more. Where did this prsi come out of. Mmmm. The pension was 15€ up to yesterday. Now it’s back to 12€. Because health is way over budget. But that’s the case every year. They just keep throwing money at it. But not fixing it. Too many chiefs. Not enough Indians I’m afraid. So carry on regardless. That was film with a good laugh. Much the same as all this. A bad joke.

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    Oct 10th 2023, 10:13 AM

    @Staker Wallace: I am a pensioner over 65. I’ve paid my taxes as I worked. Big taxes too. And I do not see myself as a layabout under any circumstances. I’m only getting back some of what I paid.

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    Oct 10th 2023, 10:18 AM

    @John Flanagan: Which you’re perfectly entitled to.

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    Oct 10th 2023, 10:19 AM

    @Staker Wallace: thank you

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    Oct 10th 2023, 10:47 AM

    @Tomasso San Roque: depending on your current age without economic migrants and their children you won’t have a pension if its a couple of decades away, so think of it as an investment in the future.

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    Oct 10th 2023, 11:12 AM

    @John Flanagan: I think it’s fair to say that when people refer to welfare payments, they are referring to people who are able bodied and eligible to work but who choose not to. I don’t think anyone has an issue with people who don’t have to work because they’ve retired or who physically can’t work.

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    Oct 10th 2023, 1:23 PM

    @Tomasso San Roque: you obviously have no idea of what I’m talking about.

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    Oct 10th 2023, 1:46 PM

    @TheGood Feign: it would be difficult when you have no idea what you are talking about yourself.

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    Oct 10th 2023, 1:57 PM

    @Tomasso San Roque: you seem to think I mentioned anything about state handouts. You’re the one that mentioned economic migrants. I’m assuming that meant workers. They’re contributing not getting handouts. Someone mentions concern about the future elderly population of the state and you immediately go to it’s a humanitarian issue? Of course it is and a more immediate solution is demanded than hoping this nation can somehow suddenly have loads of children within a short space of time. Look at childcare in scandanavia, they have those great childcare and incentives for people to have children, but look at that, they’re having even less children, so yes, you appear to be missing it.

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    Oct 10th 2023, 2:08 PM

    @Tomasso San Roque: it just seems like neither solution is workable, the solution is probably more complex than both of our angles. One, make it more affordable, that doesn’t seem to work going on every other country in Europe that’s done that, bar à tiny uptick, secondly import workers, has an effect but does change the demographic of a country and influences it’s cultural mix. Maybe a combo is the best bet.

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    Oct 10th 2023, 2:32 PM

    @Tomasso San Roque: who do you suggest fills the thousands of job vacancies every week???

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    Oct 10th 2023, 2:20 PM

    €65 a month extra for someone on €42000, giving a total of €780 extra a year. A social welfare recipient gets a minimum of an extra €400 plus an increase of €12 per week, giving a total of €1024 extra a year. Basing this on someone who’s not worked a day in their lives and doesn’t have children.

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    Oct 10th 2023, 8:06 PM

    @Ashling Fenton: I don’t believe that. No one’s entitled to social welfare if they haven’t paid into the system while they were working. If people are completely trapped in poverty, that’s all they’ll have to live on, the bare minimum. Most of the social welfare budget goes to pensions that were built up over decades.

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    Oct 10th 2023, 9:44 PM

    @F Fitzgerald: you are intitled to social welfare when you turn 18 and not in school anymore and if you never get employment you still get it until you reach pension age and then get contribution pension as everytime you sign on weekly you get half a prsi stamp and once you have 520 prsi stamps built up you get the full pension

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    Oct 10th 2023, 9:17 AM

    Ireland 2004 same headline
    Ireland 2024 same headline
    Irish People same conditions, may be worse …..
    Insanity to keep repeating electing same People ,expecting different results.

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    Oct 10th 2023, 12:19 PM

    @ibrahim Sudane: well, I’m keeping my private jet in the garage just to be on the safe side.

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    Oct 10th 2023, 1:01 PM

    @ibrahim Sudane: We should bring back capital punishment for treason. It might deter future “leaders” from destroying this country.

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    Oct 10th 2023, 8:02 PM

    @ibrahim Sudane: It is crazy. Passing money to parents to raise children to work in zero hour contracts who will never be able to afford anywhere to live.

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    Mute a million ,really ! country is gone mad .
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    Oct 10th 2023, 9:14 AM

    A fella jumping into his double parked car at navan Post office shouting to another Lad ” we getting a rise tomorrow “laughing his head off .
    We are the fools, and the bigger fools keep on giving .

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    Oct 10th 2023, 9:58 AM

    @a million ,really ! country is gone mad .:
    Could be an entrepreneur depositing takings in the Post Office.

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    Oct 10th 2023, 12:08 PM

    @a million ,really ! country is gone mad .: Great country

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    Oct 10th 2023, 12:56 PM

    @a million ,really ! country is gone mad .:
    I seen this today at the same time in Navan,
    Totally true story bro, it was a Rolls Royce and his chauffeur opened the door for him as he was jumping in laughing at all of us…
    Anybody who believes these FACT stories are big fools alright,
    It makes me laugh though,
    It’s the new “coming here taking our jobs” line.

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    Oct 10th 2023, 5:03 PM

    @a million ,really ! country is gone mad .: Double parked outside the post office with a Garda station literally across the road. That is mad in fairness

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    Oct 10th 2023, 2:28 PM

    So the Government are setting aside €4b for Ukrainian refugees housing + €3b for the weather! A total of €7b which would build 48,275 modular homes at the current going rate of €145,000 a pop… what a country!

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    Oct 10th 2023, 2:07 PM

    “Mortgage interest relief will also be announced for homeowners who have been badly hit by rate hikes. Around 160,000 mortgage holders will benefit from time limited relief worth €1,250″

    If I chose to take the risky option of a variable rate when agreeing a mortgage with a bank, it should not be up to my neighbour (who was cautious and thought about the long term and chose the fixed rate) to bail me out to tune on 1250 euros when times get tough. This is effectively what is happening here, the taxpayer is being forced to reward poor decision making on the part of mortgage holders. If you chose the risky road you must be prepared to accept and live with the consequences.

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    Oct 10th 2023, 12:06 PM

    The vast majority of carers work harder than any individual moaning about lazy people getting €12. Carers are required to care a minimum of 149.5 hours per week. What job requires that level of commitment for a fraction of minimum wage. Additionally there is billions in savings to the economy through the healthcare system and the social contribution of supporting individuals to remain in the community rather than hospitals or care homes. Also, let’s take into consideration the number of carers getting no support because their contribution to society, including giving up careers, social lives, physical and mental health, is invalidated by having either personal savings or a partner earning over the means limit. Therefore government and society expected some carers to work 24/7 for free.

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    Oct 10th 2023, 3:36 PM

    @Carol: yes and we get lumped into the same category as unemployed too and classed as scrounges. Carers get treated the worst by society

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    Oct 10th 2023, 8:10 PM

    I couldn’t agree more. Carers contribute so much while being unable to save towards their own retirement into the deal. It’s deeply wrong. I’m sure people working in care homes are on low wages also, but they at least can have time off.

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    Oct 10th 2023, 2:39 PM

    Wow! The taxpayer has been failed again. The 20% band should be 50k or very close to it. And the usc scrapped. The narrative on reducing usc rate at a cost to revenue is false. As it is a temporary tax (albeit an eternal one), this should read as a reduction in bonus taxation, as it’s something that should not be there and should have been removed long ago, given its temporary nature. It’s a continuous austerity cost to the taxpayer. A rate reduction is Absolutely not a cost to the state.

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    Oct 10th 2023, 2:48 PM

    @Fintan Stack: They’re going to claw back that USC reduction with PRSI increases over the years

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    Oct 10th 2023, 3:47 PM

    @Ashling Fenton: it’s an insult to the taxpayer. Those who have entered the workforce in the last 10 years or so should be informed that USC should not be a line on their payslip, as it was introduced as a temporary tax. A simple search will confirm just that, despite the government’s attempts to rewrite history.

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    Oct 10th 2023, 8:19 PM

    @Fintan Stack: You’re absolutely right. It’s piling pressure on people who are just about managing so far and no one deserves extra costs that weren’t there when they started working. I’d add that property tax is a disgraceful imposition on people whose bank still owns the property and they’re paying through the nose for a mortgage. Certainly tax people who own a house or two outright – but let people pay off their mortgages before piling on the taxes for property they don’t even own.

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    Oct 10th 2023, 9:47 PM

    @Fintan Stack: if you heard the interview with minister of finance this evening he said the USC is now a permanent tax and will be reduced a bit over time but will never go below 2%

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    Oct 10th 2023, 10:52 AM

    We’re at a massive surplus and no resources available for people with mental health, including Autistic children, the most vulnerable class of society, the people who can’t speak out are being slowly displaced by a careless government. I have heard of so many cases of people being suicidal, they just tell them “take a few pills and off you go” just to find them dead.

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    Oct 10th 2023, 10:50 AM

    The economy will collapse if healthy people able to work are left languish on the dole for years.
    Even.locally places are shutting up early or not at all because of lack of staff.
    It is bleak.

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    Oct 10th 2023, 4:08 PM

    @: there’s a way the non working poor could change their situation , it’s not rocket science

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    Oct 10th 2023, 1:00 PM

    McGrath has 7 children he will do well in the budget lol

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    Oct 10th 2023, 10:43 AM

    What is the point in having Budget Day Dâil Statements when everything is leaked in advance ? Rgds. Joe Lenihan.

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    Oct 10th 2023, 1:08 PM

    @Joseph Lenihan: Kite flying. They se how the media react, then increase or decrease accordingly

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    Oct 10th 2023, 2:09 PM

    Carbon tax is a tax on the poor, it should be abolished.

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    Oct 10th 2023, 12:10 PM

    Enjoy you’re scraps folks,it’ll be well got back and covered with the increase tax on fuel indefinitely

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    Oct 10th 2023, 11:24 AM

    Reminder that Ireland has the smallest social welfare spend in the EU.

    And vast social problems related to poverty.

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    Oct 10th 2023, 11:49 AM

    @Chris O’Brien: I don’t know Chris , maybe if you consider it relative to population size we may be higher on that list .

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    Oct 10th 2023, 11:57 AM

    @Chris O’Brien: that’s an absolute lie. I cannot find the stats for the previous 12 months, happy for you to show me where you found them so i could check them out myself, that would be much appreciated. But I did find the stats for 2019 which is the most recent EU comparative I found. Ireland spent €9,815 PER PERSON on social protection in 2019 which compared to an EU average of €8,769. Thats nearly 12% above EU average. So actually impossible for us to be spending the lowest. We know you are one of either a long term dole recipient or a socialist Chris, thats incredibly clear based on all your comments, but telling baltent lies does not help your cause. Just a thought.

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    Oct 10th 2023, 11:58 AM

    @Chris O’Brien: Per capita, England, Spain, Switzerland, Iceland, Portugal, Greece, Slovakia, Slovenia, Estonia etc etc all have lowest social welfare spends. Source : https://stats.oecd.org/Index.aspx?DataSetCode=SOCX_AGG
    So save us your BS.

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    Oct 10th 2023, 5:17 PM

    @Chris O’Brien: Stop spreading facts, people do not like them.

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    Oct 10th 2023, 1:19 PM

    Ireland has the highest cost of living in the EU and the lowest rate if social welfare, even when adding in things like fuel allowance and child benefit.

    Eg Germany pays recipients rent + €500. Child benefit is 600 for the first child. 500 for the second.

    We inherited the moral compass of Sir Charles Trevelyan:

    ‘Trevelyan is mostly remembered for his relucantance to disburse direct government food and monetary aid to the Irish during the famine due to his strong belief in laissez-faire economics. He also wrote highly disparaging remarks about the Irish in a letter to an Irish peer, stating that “the judgement of God sent the calamity to teach the Irish a lesson”.’

    Of course we claim to be Christian. But no one could look at our slavish obsession with wealth, and hatred of the poor, and assume we’ve even bothered to glance at a bible.

    Today we gave the poor – many of which are poor due to long term mental illness – people who need services we don’t have and refuse to fund, an extra €50/month.

    These comments are littered with people attacking the poor – as always – and echoing the sentiments of one of the worst people to ever hold influence in this country.

    Surely we can do better as humans.

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    Oct 10th 2023, 1:22 PM

    “By any measure, Ireland is a modern, successful country”

    By childcare standards?
    By infrastructure standards?
    By healthcare standards?
    By domestic economic standards?

    By what standards?

    The government is desperate for us to all pretend we live in a country where things work. Will we stupidly believe them?

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    Oct 10th 2023, 3:42 PM

    @Chris O’Brien: and pretend we’re not paying austerity taxes.

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    Oct 10th 2023, 9:08 AM

    No point in watching it has all been spoilt

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    Oct 10th 2023, 3:34 PM

    Whoop whoop, me and the wife, both working full time, will be €20.50 a week better off between us! Let’s start planning next years holiday – to Courtown.

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    Oct 10th 2023, 6:55 PM

    @Tony Harris: yeah but you can’t afford to go there with the price hike in fuel.

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    Oct 10th 2023, 1:30 PM

    “Increased budget to hit target of 800 to 1,000 new recruits next year”

    Reminder we were promised 1000 new Gardai THIS year and will end up with closer to 300, largely due to mismanagement.

    The same will be true next year.

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    Mute and the hit's just keep coming
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    Oct 10th 2023, 3:11 PM

    No wonder matty gave a double children’s allowance payment…..7 kids ….. that’s the holidays paid for

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    Oct 10th 2023, 2:48 PM

    Once again the budget has ignored the pleas of Foster carers to increase the allowance and delayed it until the end of next year.

    14 months for a payment that has not increased in 14 years

    Tusla is in crisis. Foster carers are quitting at an alarming rate and leaving all the training and experience accumulated over decades as they see themselves as less than wanted by the government.

    Foster carers are usually empathetic people who don’t like to speak up. They now feel bullied by the continuing ignorance of the finance department of this country.

    I hope you can help Foster carers with a voice as they are exhausted by this treatment.

    Foster parents have to fight for schooling, services, and the voice of the child. Children who are once again being swept aside by society.

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    Oct 10th 2023, 11:41 AM

    It’s a statistical fact, more equal societies have less crime and are generally better places to live and grow.

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    Oct 10th 2023, 12:01 PM

    @Daniel Gilroy: Give us some evidence and shall we just take your word for it?

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    Oct 10th 2023, 4:48 PM

    @Daniel Gilroy: Cool! Could you show us the statistics, please?

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    Oct 10th 2023, 7:45 PM

    @Daniel Gilroy: Here is what you do, go on to Google Scholar, type in “the impact of inequality” and you will find tens of thousands of peer-reviewed studies from fields such as economics, epidemiology and healthcare, sociology, criminology, and psychology- all of them detailing this subject from different angles and the evidence supports what he is saying- The more inequality you have in a society, the more health and social problems you will have. You will have more physical health problems, more crime, higher imprisonment rates, more violence, higher murder rates, higher addiction rates, higher child mortality rates, higher rates of mental illness, higher rates of teen pregnancies, higher rates of homeless, etc., etc. Just go read the evidence because it is way too extensive to get into on social media but it all points to the same conclusion. The people living in countries with the lowest levels of inequality (even if they are overall poorer) are happier, healthier, and safer than those living in more unequal countries (even if those countries are wealthier). If you want a specific source you can start by reading “The Spirit Level” by Wilkinson and Picket. Or maybe you can produce evidence showing that inequality is beneficial for society?

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    Oct 10th 2023, 8:20 PM

    @Daniel Gilroy: Too true. Scandinavian countries have far better priorities.

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    Oct 10th 2023, 4:55 PM

    75c on cigarettes?! That’s criminal, it doesn’t dissuade smokers it just encourages a black market with unregulated products. They call a 0.5% reduction in USC a reduction? The rumour was 2%. Oh man what am I going to do with my extra €15/month? Oh yeah pay for cigarettes

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    Oct 10th 2023, 3:52 PM

    WHY DIDN’T THEY EXTEND THE HELP TO BUY SCHEME, TO INCLUDE SECONDHAND HOMES.
    NOTHING FOR THOSE WHO TRY TO HELP THEMSELVES.

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    Oct 10th 2023, 8:23 PM

    @Niall English: I disagree, there must be thousands of people who could refurbish derelict homes if they got some tax breaks to buy somewhere to live.

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    Oct 10th 2023, 2:34 PM

    Lissstening to passscal isssss painful. Eamonn ryan asleep again. Better off on the dole

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    Oct 10th 2023, 5:21 PM

    Minimum wage goes to over 12 euro an hour. Meanwhile family carers caring full time for an adult and saving the state billions get less than 1.50 euro an hour with their €12 a week rise. IF they meet a means test. If they don’t meet the means test, they are still expected to provide full time care with no payment.

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    Oct 10th 2023, 9:58 AM

    For once don’t let the taxpayer down

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    Oct 10th 2023, 10:18 AM

    @Fintan Stack: If you think the Taxpayer plays a part in their thinking, you haven’t been paying attention.

    Someone needs to pay for their Green taxes, social welfare freebies, open door migration.

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    Oct 10th 2023, 3:48 PM

    @: ain’t that the truth

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    Oct 10th 2023, 4:57 PM

    Note to government. Life long dole heads will never vote for you so no need to try and get their vote. They all vote SF and PBP.

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    Oct 10th 2023, 2:18 PM

    The Future Ireland fund and a climate fund.!!! Will these take over from The Pension Reserve fund???

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    Oct 10th 2023, 1:47 PM

    Took me a minute to remember Michael is Minister for Finance and not Pascal. Easy to forget the switched roles.

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    Oct 10th 2023, 2:42 PM

    @Ronan Mc: That’s what happens when parties merge. They are on the same team though.

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    Oct 10th 2023, 1:51 PM

    You know all the welfare begrudges are out today. Yes some might not be working. They might out volunteering in their local community. Volunteering is just as good as working although not being paid for the work is a negative. It’s learning a new skill, making new friends and gaining experience. Least they aren’t sitting on their arse doing nothing. How many people here are out volunteering? Not many

    I work and volunteer.

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    Oct 10th 2023, 2:05 PM

    @alan scott: if you’re ABLE bodied there is no reason why you should be on dole. And yes I am angry that my young layabout 23 year old nephew will benefit more per week in this budget than the Whooping €10.60 I will get. Absolute joke of a country

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    Oct 10th 2023, 9:28 PM

    So after using there budget calculator I am €13 a week better off, I live in rural Ireland with no public transport so have to drive.work 55 hours in 5 days no benefits of any kind, yippie do da,
    If I was on the dole I would get the €12 extra a week for sitting on my hole plus a few lump sum payments of €400 plus medical card and my daughter would get the full Susi grant. But no the working middle has to stay working to pay the tax so the rich can pay less and for people to sit at home and get money. Great little country

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    Oct 10th 2023, 10:18 AM

    how many articles over this topic.. pr pr

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    Oct 10th 2023, 11:09 AM

    Ringing the dinner bell…come and get it!

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    Oct 10th 2023, 3:15 PM

    According to the budget calculator my Net Income goes from 110,870 to 112,654. How will I manage?

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    Oct 10th 2023, 5:00 PM

    Fine Gale right wingers out.

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    Oct 10th 2023, 12:58 PM

    @Bomber: Yes! We must deflect from any notion that we in fact have staged this event, as per our usual operandi, in our history of conflict with the savages. To quote our great leader and defence minister Minister Yoav Gallant, “we fighting against human animals”. That is why we must deny these animals food and water. We must cage them, imprison them, eliminate them quick. Now is the time. That Temple ain’t gonna build itself ya know.

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    Oct 10th 2023, 6:32 PM

    As always the comments on these budget articles read like they were written by Sir Charles Trevelyan, 1st Baronet.

    Maybe Google him and read his comments and see if you’d prefer Ireland still be controlled by the English. Because most of these commentators would’ve supported the deliberate mass murder of the poor.

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    Oct 10th 2023, 5:05 PM

    Fine Gale supporters are absolutely racist on here..pure trumpers

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    Oct 10th 2023, 5:03 PM

    Gregory your right I will be voteing sinn Fein.You racist right wing tramp

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    Oct 10th 2023, 5:05 PM

    @Wayne Shoes: of course you will. That’s obvious.

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    Oct 10th 2023, 1:37 PM

    Show me the money

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    Oct 10th 2023, 4:51 PM

    I have scrolled up and down, twice, and I can’t see any disparaging reference to a ‘nanny state’. Have I just missed it or, heaven be praised, is it just not there??

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    Oct 10th 2023, 4:57 PM

    @Sean O’Dhubhghaill: I don’t know how to scroll but I can tell you this nanny state needs to wake up if they think that I can afford smokes after this!

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    Oct 10th 2023, 5:21 PM

    There is no such thing as Santa Claus

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    Oct 10th 2023, 1:12 PM

    Ref as w was A XX Re Zac£eS$

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    Oct 10th 2023, 8:20 PM

    When I get my 300 fuel allowance I’m going on the jar.

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    Oct 10th 2023, 8:26 PM

    @tk: Better go local so you’re not driving home afterwards!

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    Oct 10th 2023, 11:34 PM

    Some people will get a little out of it but the elephant in the room is housing. I think they have more or less given up on it as real action was required around the time of Simon Coveney and ‘rebuilding Ireland’. That was in 2017 and I think they know it’s too late to rescue it even if there was the will which I also don’t think there is. The only thing they do is fuel prices with more demand side measures as a fall in prices can’t be contemplated. Too many vested interests and they have nailed their colours to their mast in the hope that those voters will be enough for another go of the current coalition. The thing is pumping up prices with demand side measures will eventually come a cropper anyway in the general movement of the property cycle.

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    Oct 10th 2023, 3:18 PM

    Please change your ‘highlight’ colour! I normally read white on black background to make it easier to read, so your dark blue highlighting is not legible at all.

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    Oct 10th 2023, 3:59 PM

    @Marie O’Neill: mé fein

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    Oct 11th 2023, 2:58 PM

    I’m totally behind carers getting looked after properly (which they are not) same for pensioners. Same for short term unemployed. I am not happy that career dolers are constantly rewarded for sitting on their holes.

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