and about time too, Garda we are all with you and we’d like it if you were with us when the people rise up against the government, it may not happen tomorrow but it has to happen or we are all feiced, this goes deeper than austerity and is a global concern against the people at the very top that pull all the strings through their middle management structures and who enjoy complete control and power through the finance and big business/pharma and war industries

POWER TO THE PEOPLE \o/

Dear Gardai,

The most effective form of protest was recently done in Spain whereby Policia refused to issue prosecutions. This helped win the hearts and minds of ordinary Spanish citizens who often viewed the police with animosity. It worked against one common enemy: the government.

The DPP are responsible for most criminal prosecutions.

actually all prosecutions joe old buddy old pal, but for summary offences guards have authority to act as dpp. where its a arrest-able crime then a higher rank acts as dpp. only in cases of rape murder dangerous driving causing death and offenses against the state must the dpp be directly consulted. When it comes to summary offences guards could refuse to enforce the fcps system. That would wake up the gov as it would be a massive loss of revenue

Stewie, old friend, don’t forget the cases the Attorney General can still prosecute.

Nice attempt of a comeback, but please, when ur beaten, take it like a man.

Stewie, pal, the DPP prosecutes most cases taken on indictment, except for a limited category of offences still prosecuted at the suit of the Attorney General. Not to mention summary offences which can be prosecuted by investigative bodies such as the HSA, Competitition Authority, Revenue, other regulators, etc without reference to the Director.

wrong again joe. Theft can be tried as its by jury so that’s trial on indictment and its. Dpp is not consulted, garda act as dpp. Love the way you desperately try to come back when you get pwned

Hse mmmm I guess they could prosecute for health and safey. But where the matter is serious its guards

Stewie obviously knows bit more than you. Fairly evident,

I said DPP prosecute nearly all cases.

And I was correct.

Stewy said DPP prosecute all cases. They dont. As I pointed out, the Attorney General and other bodies prosecute criminal law also – hence why I said DPP prosecute NEARLY all cases, whether the office is consulted, or whether gardai are acting under DPP general orders.

No problem Johnathan, we appreciate you more than you know, and we will be expecting likewise support from the Gardai when we say “enough”.

Jonathan
We will support you all the way .

I’ve always had total respect for the Guards,people really have not a notion what the public are capable of doing when they are full to the brim with booze or whatever,I’m very happy for this country to operate on a skeleton crew of politicians and top civil servants if it means the people who keep this country together get the rewards they deserve.in this case the ‘rewards’ are simply fair pay!

They are looking to take 80 euro by July of wages followed by another cut in January followed by another so in total u will be looking at minus 170/180 euro on your wage along with reduction in pay of unsocial hours and bank holidays eg Christmas on top of wage cut!!!!! Not to mention levys and USC already hit by!!

Michelle Stafford
That is appalling . The gov know people can not accept this , they know that the Garda will have to do some thing about that. What are the government up to ? What is their game ? What do they want us to do ?

Jonathan I appreciate what you are saying and I support you all the way 100% and yea need to take a firm stand or as you say it will not be worth picking up your wages Best of luck and I hope the Prison Officers association ,Nurses ,Teachers ,Doctors , Fire Brigade, etc etc come out with industrial action too and I do not actually mean Strikes…… I mean work to rule type of action. BEST OF LUCK

it’s great to read this and i’ve added your page on facebook just now, will spread it round for ye,

one good day is all we need and we can rattle this bunch of crazies, lets hope we have reached the tipping point cos I can’t take much more sitting around waiting

respect to your organisation ;)

Very well said

All we need to bring about a revolution in this country is for the Gardai to join forces with the people instead of protecting the government. The corrupt politicians and bankers should be arrested for their crimes.

Eamonn, all you and your colleagues need to do is stop issuing fines, use descression and just issue a warning, it would cut off funding for the government and get the force some much needed traction with the people. Also, refuse to assist with eviction orders, don’t help the government to hurt the people. Its an easy out really when you think about it!

let’s see how the minister handles this one..

True and the frontline workers constantly being hit seem to be the ones who legally cannot take strike action. Seems like the govt. are saying strike them they can’t strike back. But there is a terrible virus going round and I hope they don’t catchit ;-p

Very good point .

and we need to be out there with them or we’ll be still in this mess in 4 years time

We all need to show support and back them. This pathetic sham of a government have gone too far.
We have had enough of their lies,deciept,stroke politics and sleeveen “divide and conquer” tactics.
Well done folks.

Good man Chris tell them how it is, we will take a stand a put a stop to this bullying, and what’s with making us bear the burden when those well off fu@#s in the Dail still enjoy all their allowances and expense accounts. Down with this sort of thing.

not one person in this country is immune from the very real feelings and suffering due to corruption of this state and the reluctance to do anything but keep the charade going by hook or by crook so I expect this could very well be the tipping point that is needed to see real numbers on the streets immediately

All have to stand and be counted now otherwise divide and conquer wins the day again. The Guards, Prison Officers, Fire Personnel, Army, Nurses, Ambulance Crew, Medics, Doctors, all Front Line Staff Have To Stand Shoulder To Shoulder From Now On. Together ye will Show The Parasites In government and Brussels and IMF That Ye Will Not Be Made Scape Goats Of Anymore. Ye No Longer Will Be Cannon Fodder For The Corruption That Has Overtaken This Country. The Government, IMF, and Their Masters In Europe Can Go To Hell. No Way We Won’t Pay.

Padraig O Toran Exactly Padraig …. Only Some Garda Knockers out there don’t realise …Theres no “getting shot at allowance”… NO “possibility of getting stabbed” allowance…. NO “get ur head kicked in” allowance ….NO “Danger money” …

only there’s no Robocop…

You’re right Joe, Robocop, but without Robocop to save the day… We’re all screwed!!

they’re joking about us all, the fools who keep Ireland moving, while winning at every turn, wining and dining on the finest food and drink paid for 10 times over by us, remember this that if we stop playing ball even one day they will be reminded very very quickly who has all the power

Well said.

I thought u were sick

POWER TO THE PEOPLE FEB 9TH \o/

Demonstrating That Solidarity By Capitalising Every Letter.

No they can’t ”strike” but they can have industrial action, Blue flu …..
I just want to say that I support the gardai 100% in thisd decision,
They are a great group of people who see the worst in society and rie above it .
Shatter , Kenny You just had to keep kicking ,didn’t you ?

There’s always a way Petr.. blue-flu.. about time someone stood up, well done Cork Gardai

Susan Daly
Prison Officers do have the right to strike and have done so .in the 1980’s ….

Susan and others — Thanks for clarification.

@susan- when you say “can” take other types of industrial action, who exactly are you suggesting give them permission to do so. Lets call a spade a spade. When they do so, they’re merely circumventing the prohibition on striking- a prohibition they were aware of when they joined the Garda Siochana. Lets not afford any legitimacy on such tactics. In the private sector pulling a sickie would result in dismissal.

As far as I know its just Gardai and the Army who do not have the right to strike Susan

Vincent everyone has the right to say “enough is enough”..

Susan
Ringing in sick isn’t Industrial action unless the person concerned is not sick in which circumstances it is both deceit and theft. Any employee found to be self certifying themselves as I’ll when they are not should be dismissed with prejudice.

@jamie- everyone had the right to say it. For fundamental democratic reasons the Gardai are prohibited from acting on it. You can’t have a situation when the body charged with the duty of protecting the state can hold it to ransom.

Susan
Can the journal not do something about all the trolls ? We all know who they are ! They ruin debate .

Ignore VD Eileen, he has those initials because he’s about as welcome as a dose of the clap…..

werejammin
Lol.

And nurses Angela.

@eileen- getting to you?

@eerejammin- the international comedy circuit is missing an important voice in overlooking your comedy stylings. I mean the ingenuity and the wit….inspirational stuff. It’s an honour to share in your ruminations and marvel at your keen observational sense. It’s something I will treasure always.

Vincent
Not at all .

Please read over what you just wrote. VD is annoying and abusive, but that doesn’t make him any more a troll than you or I. We’ve all had our moments. I can’t shake the feeling that you’re calling him a troll because of his manner, but because he holds different political beliefs. After all, you don’t ask the journal to bar abusive people who have similar political beliefs to yours.
It’s very bad form to publicly comment that someone should be barred. It’s playing to the choir. If you feel they should be barred, or their comment be removed, you have the option to send an email directly to the article’s author or you can report the comment. Complaining publicly about an individual is just grandstanding and leaves you open to valid accusations of bullying. At the end of the day, you’re not Distilled Media so you do not own this website.

The above for Eileen and Were Jammin , obviously. I don’t like cliques, they’re inevitably elitist and reductionist.

Nikolas Koehler
You are quite entitled to your opinion . But , VD is also known as Dillon Costigan and many other names and has a habit of commenting numerous times on the same thread using the different names, How do i know this , He slips up , and answers a reply to one of his identities with another ID … The journal already know this , as he has been reported as have his other IDs . But he is narcississtic and loves this attention so That is all I will say about him now. He is in the wrong This thread is about our Gardai and the brave stand they took tonight and I for one will support that decision. VD is just that a parasite.

Vincent you badly need an enema.At least it would ensure the “shite talk” would come out the normal route.The 3 billy goats will be so gruff with you when you contaminate their drinking water!

Eileen – you’re right, I am entitled to my opinion. And as long as thejournal indulges me, I can post my opinion here. As can you. As can Vincent. The point is, like it or not, you, Vincent and I are equals here. That probably leaves a bad taste in your mouth, but I think it’s wonderful. Democracy at it’s finest. You have the right to be abusive as you like to anyone here. As does Vincent. As do I. It is not your decision who gets to have a voice here. Ultimately that right is held by Distilled Media, more or less ( the legal structures are always complicated ). You, as far as I know, are not a major shareholder in Diatilled Media. If you were, I date say that this website would be a very different place. Accept that you are tolerated rather than liked, accept that the same applies to all of us, accept that we are all equals here, and finally, stop being a bully. You’ve cone a long way over the last year, you’ve gotten, if not more considerate, at least more intelligent in how to present yourself. You’ve toned down the grinding negativity. Don’t lapse back into rabble-rousing and witch hunts. Have you not noticed how boring this site is when everyone who doesn’t agree with your clique bug**rs off because listening to the same old rhetoric is just too dull to bother with? If you annoy people too much, you’ll have no one left to play with except those who agree with you. And there’s almost nothing more dull than a circle-jerk..

It was funny, as is your caustic wit. Keep up the good work Vincent.

Nikolas K
Why ,Thank YOU for such a studied critique . I think we have uncovered A. N. Other ID.
Fascinating . Needless to say I do not agree with any of your strange observations on me personally
It is strange that you take such an interest in me and my musings.
But I am not concerned ,as it is a long time since I have had to sit an exam or do a test as to be worried on how I will rate…..
Your following comment :
” You’ve toned down the grinding negativity. Don’t lapse back into rabble-rousing and witch hunts. Have you not noticed how boring this site is when everyone who doesn’t agree with your clique bug**rs off because listening to the same old rhetoric is just too dull to bother with? If you annoy people too much, you’ll have no one left to play with except those who agree with you. And there’s almost nothing more dull than a circle-jerk..”

Amazing ! I can not imagine how or why you have taken such an interest in me , perverse even !
Lol , Lol ! You should also know that I am not intimidated and I certainly will not be silenced by strangers on a site like this . As for friends ….. I have plenty !

@vincent,
I think we’d be better off with an objective and relatively corruption free police force who took a stand then a force open to being compromised at every level because many members find themselves unable to meet bills, mortgage payments etc…
Also, if its anything like in the defence forces there’ll already be members struggling as it is and receiving FIS!

And our bankrupt country will pay for that, how? You should drop that blank chequebook of yours into the Department of Finance. They could do with it. Cue “burn the bondholders” rubbish….

Message to the G.R.A –

The Ordinary rank and file Gardai are ready and waiting.

Don’t back down

I’m most concerned about the extra hour… Do they want me to work that in addition to the 13hrs I worked each day last week, the week before, this week, next week, and most weeks? In addition to the overtime that they’re already not paying me? After which they still want me to pay up 60% of my salary in tax, USC, pension contributions?
Two words.
Hell NO.

What this article fails to mention is that the extra working hour is
1) unpaid.
2) is not performed on the day but rather “banked” over the weeks and months that follow
3) this will amount to over 210 hours a year (21 days)
4) if the public servant does not work the extra hours as required, in the following year they will have it deducted from their annual leave.

How does that make sense to anyone?
Who will work 3 weeks for free?

It will cost the Gardai money to do this as they will need to travel to work and maybe employ a babysitter.
They will have to leave their family on their rest day to go into a station and work for free!!!
What idiot in government thought the public service would accept this …

Promissory note to be paid on march 31st…
Noonan , Kenny et all should grow a pair and say “ENOUGH”!!
How come Greece could stick two fingers up to Europe , Iceland refused to burden their citizens with bank debt, but the EU’s lapdog (Kenny ) never even countered the option on this debt.
I’m afraid Kenny is more worried about how he looks “personally” by the EU leaders, rather than have any compassion for the citizens of his own country!!

I presume what they are saying is that if you are working between 8 and 8 you won’t get over time but if you work outside if that you do ? I’m not sure any garda when entering the job thought they would not be working nights on rotation ? I have a a couple if mates in the private sector who
work all nights and the money isn’t amazing either.

@falstaff- who would work three weeks for free? Anyone in the Private Sector working for a company in trouble, fearing being let go- a fate Gardai mercifully don’t need to worry about. And Ireland plc is in trouble…

@colm- you might want to swap places with Greece. Me, not so much thanks.

Rob O Reilly
Have any of your mates been shot dead while doing their job , or stabbed, beaten spat at , rammed by a car , punched kicked or bitten ?

@eileen- if people like you were paying your taxes in full some of these cuts wouldn’t be necessary.

no to be fair the don’t but they don’t get into coppers for free either so I guess every job has it perks.

Vincent
Call a cop !

If the unsecured gamblers/bond holders were not paid for losing their bets, then the money would still be there to pay all the frontline staff. To use an analogy, imagine if bookies paid out even when your gamble lost. This should be the reality for the unsecured bond holders. Strangely it’s not. The game is rigged.

“And our bankrupt country will pay for that, how? ”

On march 31st the government will hand over TRIPLE the entire savings sought from the public sector over three years in a single payment that can be suspended.

Back under your bridge VD

Who organised this meeting? Local GRA? It needs to be nationwide instead of a few going it alone…

There was 1.8 billion euros handed over yesterday to unsecured bondholders ………..

Same sh1t as always out of you Vincent either change the tune or better still stop posting it your worse than a broken record at this stage

Other gra reps aren’t holding the meetings that’s the problem in cork city we have a good gra rep mick Corcoran who is willing to listen and back his local Garda, that’s the difference

Vincent Dolan
“Who would work 3 weeks for free? Anyone in private sector…”
Anyone in public sector who receives an allowance which are not being paid (most have been stopped, those that haven’t are because the state knows there would be outcry if they were stopped – ah yes, the things you never hear from the state), anyone in public sector who works un-rostered overtime, anyone who works overtime that HR deem unnecessary, (I have been working unnecessary overtime since January 1st, despite the fact that if I don’t turn up and replace the 2 people that cannot be hired to work with me – nobody does my job).
Rob, your mates in the private sector are entitled to receive an extra payment for working nights. If they’re not receiving it, they can take their grievances to the labour court, if they don’t do that I’m afraid it’s not my/our problem.
Richard, I earn 57k, of which 3k is not paid (allowance), and 60% of remainder is taken before I see it through PRD’s, USC, tax and pension contributions. I took home €890 for 2 weeks work last week. I have a nursing degree, 3 diplomas, a masters and a PhD. I didn’t do any of those for to take home less than those who work full time in their local supermarket.
That sounds up myself, and it is, but I’m a highly qualified and experienced professional, my take home pay should reflect this.
Vincent, there may well be a recession on, but if you can find a front liner whose job as gotten quieter/easier as a result of it, I’ll eat my scrubs.

I did exactly that in the 1980s; worked for free because I thought it would help my employer out and would save my job. Never again. It helped my employer out but it didn’t save my job. It could have, maybe, but my employer made his decision, and that employer looked on us, not as loyal parts of the team, but as schmucks. Cutting frontline services and applying “doing more with less” with essentials is not going to wash. And we should take notice when the IMF themselves say that this not a road to go down.

Paul, I only hope that this prompts other areas to get with the rolling. It is momentum that is badly needed.

@jonathan- I find repetition helps get things across easier to the less bright. Keep with it, it might penetrate your skull eventually.

No, Yes, Yes, Yes, No, Yes, Yes, Yes. But what’s your point? It’s a dangerous job. But that it is a dangerous job is not the issue here. This comment is like a graphic anti-abortion poster ( thank Christ they’re not quite as common as they used to be ); shocking, but pretty much meaningless to the debate itself. Shock tactics, nothing more.

Because no-one has as yet come up with a reasonable instrument to balance out the payment without having to hand over taxpayer’s money. The magic money tree that was the bank bail-outs must be balanced out. Simply not paying won’t change anything. We’ll still be in the red. “We won’t pay” on it’s own is not a valid option. A mechanism that allows us to balance off the payment without it coming back, biting us in the *rse and landing us in even more debt is very much a valid option. So, do you have a financial instrument that will enable this? Because that is what we need, not more slogans and empty emotive outrage.

Let’s get this straight; you receive a public service pension, but you refuse to pay government taxes and charges? Where do you think your pension comes from? All magic money trees must balance out. That’s why magic money trees are only ever the option of last resort. You can’t magic money up without consequences.

That is exactly what was said on to Pat Kenny on PRIMETIME programme tonight and the people of Ireland have been saying this for years at this stage but it is nice to hear it from a economist from Germany actually reiterating what we have all being saying here we have thrown away everything just to look like the foolish Irish and Enda Kenny could stop these unnecessary and unjust payment to the BONDHOLDERS NOW we have as we all (apart from the blue shirts) agree we have paid unsecured gamblers billions which we as the citizens of Ireland have been bullied and robbed with extra taxes and charges and threatened fines and jail and fear of our future and loosing family members to Australia,Canada, England,U.S.A. etc etc etc and then they talk about us all promoting “The Gathering”

Well Rob. You know what they say. Presumption is the mother of all FOOKUPS. Anybody private or public working a rotating shift receives an allowance for doing so. These can range from 16% upwards depending on the shift. I’m with the Garda on this one. Law and order is collapsing in this country, stations closing, senior Gardai retiring, No new Gardai being recruited, Templemore mothballed. And Shatters rubbish about gaining “efficiencies”. At this point it feels like Shatter is working for the mafia stripping the Gardai of all assets. Enough is enough. Keep up the good work GRA

Someone is a bit cranky Rob.

Nicely said James Connolly.

Yawnnnnn, always reducing it to the common denominator. All bow before Vincent’s superior intellect. It’s getting really tiresome. But please do keep stammering away at your keyboard.

Nikolas
The “pension I receive is not what I pay in.
I pay in on the basis of all my income, so inclusive of allowances, premium payments, overtime (when it’s being paid), everything. All my income.
My pension is paid to me on the basis of my basic salary. Not inclusive of anything but the salary.
As for there being no money, I’m aware if this, every day I am being asked to do more and more with less and less, I cannot keep going, none of us can.
By all means, cut my pay, but do so while making my job better. Do so while making sure that instead of having me work for 60-70 hours a week, that I get out when I’ve worked 40. Or hell, at the moment I’d settle for 50. Anything!
But that is not the case. My job is getting worse, my pay is getting worse, my morale is currently crashing through the basement floor, and still hurtling downward at a rate of knots that would embarrass the speed of light.
We have given more than our share, we are broke. Broken. Broke.

Dats a ridiculous comment how dare u reply with a disgraceful comment like dat u should b ashamed.

Charming as always Vincent….

Extra hour is a disaster if it happens. This will make every day up to 15 hours for many people especially younger members. I can see huge issues from health and safety perspective. Plus in many instances the 11 hour day could easily become much more, as it regularly does currently, when serious incidents occur.

Yes, we have. And that’s the basic problem. We can’t shave more savings off public services, because public services will suffer. We can’t cut low-to-mid level PS wages because we’re taxing them to the hilt and if we cut their wages we’re cutting their ability to pay tax. Same ultimately applies to the private sector, but at least it’s not the same money going in and going out as it is with PS. Absolutely no-one has recommended that cuts that damage frontline services should be made, but that’s what the government has done.
On the other hand, the only realistic solutions are those that attempt to balance the books. If this is ignored, which the calls for unstructured or unilateral default do ignore, then we’re only digging ourselves into a deeper hole. Any default must be a regulated and negotiated one. The ESM taking over all or a significant part of the debt would be better again. But simply saying “no” doesn’t help.

@baldyeggs. think that only applies in the public sector. how is it that bar and restaurant workers are allowed time and a sixth or half when working past 8pm for working Saturday or Sunday ??? its because its considered to be the nature of the work to work late and weekends. again back to my original post, do you think that its outside the nature of a garda’s work to work nights or weekends ??

bar and restaurant workers are not allowed overtime rather. sorry !! dam predictive text.

Rob, of course there is an expectation to work rotating shifts covering nights. No one joins the force on the expectation that its only a day job. I’m actually a bit confused with your point. All I was saying is that rotating shifts carry a premium or allowance, not overtime, and everything worked after 39 hours would be covered with O/T. I’m not sure if making a comparison between someone working in a restaurant and a Garda is a fair one.

here here brother \o/

Well said, I could say the same for IMPACT. I think its time for a stronger line from the unions.

Saturday 9th Feb . Protests all over the country .

Back under your rock.

Why don’t you repeat your normal comments about Garda pay.

@ joe you’ve changed your tune, normally you love your public sector Bashing,
God what a sad existence you have.

While I agreed with the closure of one man stations, I think something’s wrong when front line workers are getting hammered given the obscene level of welfare payments and entitlement culture in this country.

Try living on the dole, as many are through no fault of their own, and get back to us.

Try working your ass off in a rotten stressful job, paying bills, paying rent or a mortgage, paying medical expenses and at the end of it all being the same as or worse off than someone with no appreciation living off the State.

Joe do you,try putting your life on the line each,worrying about paying your bills only to have idiots constantly state you get toi much

Cut social welfare FRAUD which cost us €93 million in 2011
That would be a start

Norman
Are you living on Social Welfare?

You can’t lump everyone in that bracket Joe , there certainly are a fair share of free loaders in this country but branding everyone on the dole as such is callus. For some its the last thing they want, and can far from afford to live but by the bare minimum.. For some its depressing enough to be out of work without having to deal with people tarring them with the same brush as others who have never worked a day in their lives.

I agree Bilbo there are some genuine cases, but I cant help arriving at a general opinion when I have witnessed countless people give up good jobs to get unmarried mother’s allowance and free housing, or when I have seen countless people working on the side bringing in significant income while claiming. GIven my own experience, I wonder how systematically rotten this sort of practice is.

If I were to guess I’d say its somewhere around 150,000 as that’s how many were on the dole when we didn’t have enough people too fill the jobs available. These are easy to target, they’ve been on the dole for 5 years or more. A more targeted approach on that demographic would be much fairer imho. There should be no ability to be a lifer on the dole. The system is designed (or should be) to help people back up when they’re down. Not to hand out cash.

Joe o shea .
you are what is wrong . Go away with your ould divide and conquer routine will you …

You are the most informed trol in journal land

“United we stand, divided we fall” ideology unfortunately doesn’t address the structural deficit problem that is a 20 billion gap between what this country takes in and what it spends. And that’s aside from promissory note payments or bondholder payments, a default on which leaves us in unknown territory as Argentina found out to it’s peril. While an improvement in the global economy would close that gap, unfortunately some stark choices still have to be made on where the cuts happen. Without doubt, FF governments of past created a welfare state buying elections.

We are

@ Angela – There is a huge scam going on in this country which is costing the state (ie we the people) aprx 120 million euro (and rising) every year, and it is being run by godfathers who call themselves politicians.

@ Joe
@ Bilbo

Some research on your parts wouldn’t go amiss.

1 – the only free accomadition in this country is to be had in homeless shelters/hostel. EVERYONE else pays for the roof over their heads regardless of whether they are paying a mortgage, landlord or council. Those in receipt of rent supplement, beleive it or believe it not, have to put their hand in their pocket and contribute. The SW does not cover the full amount of their rent.

2 – During the “tiger” years there were 120 000 people claiming social welfare, of these some – 28000 people were classed as being long-term unemployed. So thats only 28000 lazy feckless wasters in this country. The other 92000 people were in receipt of, lone parents allowance old age pension, disablilty allowance, invalidity pension, blind persons allowance and widow/widower pensions.

28000 lazy wasters and approx 15000 lazy lone peranets are a far cry from you’re assumed 150,000 scroungers.

Apologies – I forgot to mention the most important group that were included in the 120 000 people. That would be those in receipt of Carers Allowance who save this country millions of euros every year and get feck all support or recognition for doing so.

@joe

You seem to be changing your tune a little bit there fella, has it finally sunk in?

Richard thanks for the concern but i had to go to bed up early for work.Lucky to have never been on the dole.
On another note do you expect a fine from the council for the pollution you claim your septic thank caused?

They shot the only rebel they had

The problem is that a burglar in this country got to be well known from repeated crime, and is still out walking around. Under California’s 3 strike system, he’d be serving a life sentence.

yep lots of nice houses in dalkey for him to check out

Have to agree

Vincents a troll. Switching words to get thumbs up..

Rebel County. Now we need a Rebel Country. Let the Gardai and All Other Front Line Staff Show Their Political Masters That They Are Not Taking Any More Pain From Them.

@Les- I’m not sure which is more sad/pathetic -that you think anyone who disagrees with you is a troll or that you attach importance/ self worth to thumbs, green or red…..

Vincent, your energy is infectious.

Don’t ever change
Ade-wha? Adebayo!

Up rebels boy

I don’t think they’ve released a statement yet.

Not as delighted as they are to hear of stations closing and numbers being cut, meaning they stand a far less chance of being caught in the future, or can you grasp that.

Ah yes meanwhile the public sector have had it hard. Our wallets are to small for all our fifties and our diamond shoes hurt our feet.
Wake up you idiot, the average public sector worker has seen their weekly wage packet decimated. They have and continue to carry the burden whilst paying their share. My advice to you stay off the PC and continue reading the indo.

How are we broke when we can afford to extend the Luas at 370 million euros for a 5.6km. That money alone would ensure that Gardai will not have to endure a payout plus new cars and equipment. That paramedics are hired, that new entrant nurses are paid there full amount. That more prisons are built. Do we really need an extension of the Luas

Harry C
This country is NOT broke . AIB handed over 1.8 billion euros to unsecured bondholders YESTERDAY. We are not broke.

We’re bankrupting ourselves paying for the debts of Europe. We are the single highest paying country for the Euro debt crisis. Not Germany, not France. Our entire deficit would disappear overnight were we to stop paying gamblers debts. We would be one of the best balanced countries in the Eurozone were it not for debt that isn’t ours.

It’s time the EU accepted that if it weren’t for the Irish people the Euro would have collapsed. Hand the debt over to the ECB where it should have been and get this dead weight off our shoulders. But they won’t. Because Ireland is paying interest. The EU profits off of Ireland sacrificing its economy to save the Euro. That is why they don’t want to pay the Guards.

Start at the top so Macca if cuts have to be made.

They are not making the saving in the right way.

Legal aid
Prisoner Doctors
Social Welfare
Childrens Allowance

U will still have disharmony! Point I’m
Makin is you will never have a decision that will not cause uproar amongst those in that area be it whatever

@ Brian – you’re right in saying that they’re going about it the wrong way, it’s a pity that all the outgoings you mentioned shouldn’t be cut, they’re essential to maintain our society. Find some better examples.

If cuts have to made Stop paying our money to the gambling Bondholders then Good grief when will they ever listen and not give these gamblers our money

How much have TD’s wages and allowances been cut since 2008? Oh yes that’s right. Since 2008 TD’s wages have remained the same and their allowances have INCREASED.

Cut the parasites first.

You shouldn’t be complaining like that Martin, looks like your well looked after anyway!

Hey Martin, your twitter account says you live in London. How about you mind your own business? Some of us cant run off to another country, and if your not Irish, shove off and complain about something British.

Strangely enough, people have the right to leave Ireland and should be commended for doing so. Taking responsibility and finding work inside or outside the country is far more patriotic than complaining without taking any action. This “I’m more Irish than you” line is always a thought-free argument. Personally, I find it worrying that certain self-styled “nationalists” show nothing but contempt towards “the nation”, i.e. the sum total of Irish citizens and Irish residents. Another oft heard insult is “traitor”, an ugly word if ever there was one, but I sincerely believe the “traitors” are those who belittle and condemn anyone who has chosen to improve their lives and the lives of their funds and families. Immigration or the dole? Multinationals or the dole? Are these really such hard decisions?

Well done, Ornaigh. Great use of police time, stalking journal user ids, berating people who had to emigrate. True patriot.

Arrested by who?

Bambi huh?

They aren’t considering strike as an action. They are just goin to work to rule to show the govt how much the force actually do,without numeration or thanks.

Well they cant get a cushy job at Carphone Warehouse like you can they??

Wha????

Not you Dave!! Ment for Bambi and his smart ass comment.

Stop being an *rse with your begrudgery. Because that’s all it is.

Sean Bambi Keeling YOU are saying arrest the Gardai …. Ive seen a number of options….. WHAT would you suggest doing if all Gardai had submitted a letter of resignation/retirement “to take effect on the same date ….. LEGAL …SAME , outcome – different route ….. (And they insist that all are returned to duty together ……). Please realise they are workers who have handcuffs on their ability to engage industrial actionwise to make their Dept of justice listen to them, … They are at rock bottom re morale, and backs against the wall – what do u expect

Unelected mob eh.
This is not question of these people being elected or for that fact unelected, nor was it ever.
It is very easy for those in power to point to those who would choose to challenge their authority and brand them an unelected mob. I’d be fairly certain that scenario occurred in 1916. So in my opinion your reference to it is nothing but hot-air and hyperbole. You mentioned democratic institutions, surely one of the key tenets of a democratic state is the fair and just treatment of its people. This treatment being based on justice and equality instead of who their employer might be. The PS in this country has in recent years taking a kicking. They have paid their fair share and have carried the burden.
Do try and remember what it is this unelected mob are asking for, a fair days pay for a fair days work. I bet even the Black and Tans received that.