Must have been no advisors around.

‘A lot done…more to do?’….the transformation is complete!

It’s all about the pension

“the adults of this country have had enough of being preached to by a school teacher.”

Maybe you need to get over your snobbishness towards school teachers Culm.

Why are there so many school teachers in the Dail? Thought they were too busy for any outside activities.

Lots of staff rushing around with cans of WD40 spraying FG heads trying unsuccessfully to get a brain to function.

Culm
True democracy is accepting the wishes of the people in the last General Election. That means Culm , having to wait five more years. The Taoiseach doesn’t have to pass your infantile test of democracy. Do you accept this position?

No, Mick. I Dont. I will not accept as “democracy”, a government who were elected on a mandate which they then so comprehensively abandon. You do remember “not another red cent” and other such gems, dont you?

I voted FG – i’m disgusted by the result, it was the opposite of what they promised. Telling bare faced lies to get elected MUST STOP. A REAL democrat would accept that basic principle.

If the people are happy to re-elect that government, they can do so.

Good points very well made there Dave and I couldn’t agree more as an EX FG voter!!! *bangs head off wall* what a wasted vote.

He was a teacher for about ten minutes. Kenny’s problem is that he became a full time politician far too young.

And a elementry teacher at that no major brains needed to get into that 40 odd years ago.
Thankfully he never troubled the admissions officer in trinity.

Dave
I must confess that you are as entitled as Culm to answer any question posed on this site but just for the record note that after all his bluff and bluster he didn’t…
Your position is quite clear ….you expected Fine Gael to implement the policies it campaigned on in the General Election and in that regard you are entirely correct. However Fine Gael weren’t elected in the General Election as they didn’t get enough votes and therefor the people were saying in their sovereign way that they wanted two Parties with their Policies adjusted or amended to allow for agreement and that is what they got.
What part of this is there difficulty in understanding ?

I’m sure Dave is glad to have your permission to answer questions on this site, your highness!

The problem is there is no one to replace them. Fianna F?il are still the same old, same old. Sinn F?in economic policies would destroy the country. Labour are the same as the Green Party willing to sell their principles for the scraps from the big table.

Ryan O’
I thought you were a Sinn Fein voter?

Censored
If your understanding of English was at the basic level I would be spared this tedious response. Please note though that it is a one time concession only.
I was not granting anyone the right to respond but merely indicating the question was for someone else and simply noted so! It additionally recognised everyone’s right to contribute.
Oh dear. I’m tired already!
By the way your name indicates a need to hide your identity or a lack of imagination on your parents part. If it is the former there isn’t any real value to your contributions as you could be James Reilly for all we know!

sorry Mick who is Ryan O. Just wondering maybe the comments got mixed up.

Who the F~~K is Mick Collins.???

Try finding the reply button Mick. And yes, of course my parents choose this name. My real name was hijacked by a moron who spends all day posting tripe. Is that ok your highness, or do I need further concessions?

Any particular reason why?

Incompetence? Bad judgement? His mephistolean looks?

Spot on there Damien, in fact the inclusion of the upper echelons in the CPD was a real stroke of the Irish plitical kind, FF ish in its cleverness.
In what organisation in the private sector is management part of the union, or indeed part of the same union as the employees.
The whole thing was a set up and our government are happy to go along, it can only be that they are themselves protected by it.
What a sick lot we have running our broken country and pocketing as much as they can with their snouts buried in the trough.

@The Grinder
Great point about management being part of the union that had escaped me…twas certainly a masterstroke….What worries me is that the people who gain the most from CP are the the ones who are going to be doing the negociating..somehow I dont think they will be trying too hard

@Damien,

Thats a great point, as I am sure the Ministers wont lower themselves to get involved in the detail, we can look forward to more of the same, with everybody over 70k availing of the protection afforded to the person on 20k, because thats ” the right thing to do “.

Our politicians are fools when it suits their pockets.

I think you’re spot on Terry, they will never do the right thing, an independent body, be it the IMF or whoever else needs to come in and go through the political trough and make massive changes.

Do you seriously think the IMF give a sh*t about anything beyond getting their money back? Talk about out of the frying pan and into the fires of hell!

And how will the IMF get their money back as long as Ireland’s economy is in the sh*tter?

By bleeding every last penny out of you and me and by forcing the state to sell the family silver to keep them from the door.

Could anybody recipient of public services point out anything that croke park has done to improve the delivery of services , anything at all? its the question nobody asks , we are told a lot is being done but what is the net effect ?

17 red thumbs and counting im sure . Could just one of you red thumbers, if you have work in the public sector and adjusted your work practices under Croke park how it has helped the end user or customer . i.e. the public ?Really , i just want to see an example , anything? It would go along way to shuting detractor like me up . For example can an parent point out how education has improved for their kids , anything , please we have paid for it twice already with bench marking?

It’s improved, yeah!

Tensig,
How can you expect education to improve when the government are cutting teachers, sna’s etc. My husband is a teacher in a dheis school, 9 teachers have lost their jobs this year and there are half the sna’s that were there 2 years ago. The school is in an underprivilaged area, a lot of the kids can’t read when they come into first year. A massive number of the kids are non nationals or from the travelling community. The teachers are doing extra hours and there are now teachers teaching subjects they are not even qualified to teach. This is happening everywhere (except private schools). The playing field has never been less level for our children. This is the harsh reality of our schools now…

Thanks Andrea, I agree no improvement in the service because the government will get rid of people rather than address wages , the choice is to take a little from alot or lot from a little, they choose the latter . Young teacher are being exploited by their own unions and the government and its clear that they will cut everything to the bone , get rid of SNAs rather than for example postponse a quater of billion in increments that will be paid to 61 % of public servanst regardless of performance . BTW i have lot of admiration for what your husband does and am truly not interested in seeing the wages of nurses , guards and teachers cut unless of course we are closing hospital bed etc in favour of wage cust . But please do talk about cutback when that is the direct consequence of not being able touch the biggest cost item which is wages

“The misapprehension springs from the fact that the learned jurists, deceiving themselves as well as others, depict in their books an ideal of government — not as it really is, an assembly of men who oppress their fellow-citizens, but in accordance with the scientific postulate, as a body of men who act as the representatives of the rest of the nation. They have gone on repeating this to others so long that they have ended by believing it themselves, and they really seem to think that justice is one of the duties of governments. History, however, shows us that governments, as seen from the reign of Caesar to those of the two Napoleons and Prince Bismarck, are in their very essence a violation of justice; a man or a body of men having at command an army of trained soldiers, deluded creatures who are ready for any violence, and through whose agency they govern the State, will have no keen sense of the obligation of justice. Therefore governments will never consent to diminish the number of those well-trained and submissive servants, who constitute their power and influence.”

Leo Nikolaevich Tolstoi

We do decide not to cut wages for the top 25% earners of the civil service, we do decide to take money from the most vulnerable of society, we do decide to have unvouched expenses, €41k leader expenses for Independents, there’s plenty that we decide that is just plain wrong.

They can’t hide behind that forever , They had a golden opportunity to put this right and they have failed miserably , introducing extras that will be absorbe d by an inefficient public service. Soon enough they will be in the same bracket as FF ad will suffer the same result.

The Irish Govt and public sector is well paid to implement “the rules”. They are being bribed to continue the bank debt payments.