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Enda Kenny: We can’t guarantee water will not be cut off

Taoiseach says that Government can’t send a message to people that they need not pay water charges. However, decision not yet made on how to tackle amount of water “lost” between production and tap – and who will pay for it.

The percentage of local authority supplied water that goes
The percentage of local authority supplied water that goes "unaccounted for" in leakages and siphoning to private supplies. But will consumers pay for water they don't actually receive?
Image: AIRO/NUIM

TAOISEACH ENDA KENNY has said that the Government could not give guarantees that nobody’s water supply will be cut off. Such guarantees, he told the Dáil yesterday, would send out a message that people need not pay anything for their water.

Speaking during Leader’s Questions yesterday, Kenny was responding to Fianna Fáil leader Micheál Martin, who described the Government’s handling of the water charges issue as “diabolical”. The Taoiseach reiterated that “there will be no upfront charges, no charges until 2014″ and that further details had yet to be worked out by Bord Gáis and Irish Water. He said:

The Government will make its decision in due course on the amount of free water. Those who are prudent and conserve this precious resource will not find themselves in financial difficulty as a consequence.

However, TheJournal.ie was told by the a spokesperson for Irish Water yesterday that no decision had yet been made on whether the consumer would ultimately end up paying for “lost” water. That is the volume of “unaccounted for” water that is produced through local authority filtration and treatment systems but never makes it to the tap. “Unaccounted for” water can be water that’s lost through water leaks, but also through the siphoning off of private water supply from a public scheme to a private property.

The Irish Water spokesperson said that the Government has only decided on the organisational structure of Irish Water, as announced last week. How the organisation will tackle the issue of “unaccounted for” water is one of many issues that has yet to be discussed. This won’t happen until a consultation process has taken place between the stakeholders, eg, the Department of the Environment, the local authorities and the NewERA programme.

Who ends up paying for “lost” water?

In relation to who would end up paying for this “lost” water, that too, said the spokesperson, was an issue that had yet to be decided upon. “Any issue in relation to charges is something the regulator will ultimately decide,” the spokesperson said, “It will be regulated by the  Commission for Energy Regulation and will be worked through in due course”. Work on many issues in relating to the management of the public water system and payment is only “commencing” and “it’s premature to comment on that”.

The Observatory (AIRO) at NUI Maynooth compiled a table this week which shows how much treated water was “lost” between production and the tap in Ireland in 2010. It makes for stark viewing. (Note: the graphs are interactive – click  here – so you can change the years shown and bring up the results for a specific time. Follow them on Twitter at @AIRO_NUIM)

How much of the water supply doesn’t reach our taps?

While a spokesperson at AIRO told TheJournal.ie that the “expected” volume of “unaccounted for” water in any water infrastructure system is 20 per cent, the national average is double that at 42.2 per cent. The following graph puts together stats from the Local Government Management Services Board and compares them with averages from the World Bank collection of international statistics.

(graphs courtesy of Airo.ie)

The average loss varies wildly from local authority to local authority – the graph shows that it goes anywhere from 20.89 per cent “lost” in South Dublin County to a whopping 59.81 per cent in Kerry County Council. Again, it has to be noted that this is not just water lost through leaks from faulty or worn public pipes but also from water that is tapped off into a private supply.

Still, the lack of clarity on when targets will be set for reducing the losses – and whether the consumer will end up paying for some water it never gets through the water meter system – is of concern.

Some measures are already in train to try and stem the leaks and wastage, including the Dublin Region Watermains Rehabilitation Project which is attempting “to assist in reducing leakage by identifying and replacing the old watermains that have outlived their usefulness”.

Ireland one of least efficient in EU27 water supply table

On the pure level of economic value, this graph – also from AIRO – shows how inefficient the water supply chain is in Ireland when compared to other EU27 countries. It shows the volume of water that has to be extracted from rivers, lakes and other freshwater supplies in order to service the needs of one person in the State. Ireland is fourth from the top with 141 cubic metres extracted for every person:

eu27water

The question of improving the quality of the water which actually reaches household taps is also one to be tackled. Last February, TheJournal.ie reported that almost half of the waste water treatment plants serving Ireland’s urban centres fall short of national and EU standards. At that time, Dara Lynott from the Office of Environmental Enforcement said that we would need “substantial and sustained investment” to reach EU targets and that clean water was essential for both home use and industries such as tourism, food, agricultural and manufacturing.

Last week, photographer Kate Horgan sent the image below to TheJournal.ie. She has a built-in filter attached to the tap in her kitchen in Dublin 6. The ceramic filter is changed every six months – the image below shows a new filter on the left; the filter on the right is the one that was being removed after six months of use. It shows what Horgan and her family would have ingested over that period had they not used the filter:

Tap filters

(Image: Kate Horgan)

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Comments (54 Comments)

  • The sooner Lidl/Aldi bring out “do-it-yourself water harvesting wells and water filtration kits” the better.

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    • ALDI were selling them about 6
      months ago. I’m sure they bring them out again when water meters finally come out.

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    • You can buy the water harvesting drain pipe attachment for €10 on eBay. I got 3 * 160 litre barrels for €7 each off some guy on Donedeal and connected them together and have a tap connected.

      Ended costing me just less than €40. They always seem to be full no matter how much i water the garden.

      I’m going to plumb them up to a separate tank eventually that will be used specifically for flushing toilets. I think everyone should do this if they can.

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    • Well done Ichy, we need more like you

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    • Itchy you got a blog?! I need blue prints for this highly technical job. Share the secret info!

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    • Can Sombody please, please, please set up an online petition to try and get 1 million signatures to tell these evil, evil arrogant scum to get out of office NOW before they are entitled to their pensions. THEY NEED TO GO NOW.

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  • I spend E20 on bottled water per week from Lidl as my family can’t drink the muck that spews from my tap.
    When I pay my water charges will I be upgraded to the drinkable stuff or will I be forced to pay for a defective product? Consumer rights anyone??

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  • More threats from this lot.
    Anyone surprised??

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  • well Mr Kenny, I cannot guarantee YOU won’t he cut off….

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  • enda kenny is an arrogant arse hole … because he is a teacher he reckons he had nothing extra to learn … but everyone has to learn from him… give him a couple more years in his job he will retire on about 4 pensions and won’t care … this government in office will break the country and we are going to be the next Greece …

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    • I put a bet on it that he’ll be out before the end of this year. No I’m not talking about the Government but him personally, Gilmore will also but I think he’ll walk before he’s thrown! And ….yes, sadly he’ll have a great number of pensions, but that’s our fault. Why, because we’ve done nothing to stop it.

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  • Who does he think he is ? He can’t guarantee people’s water will not be cut off… Think about that one for a moment. A leader of a country telling the people he works for that they are prepared to cut our water supply if we fail to pay… I am genuinely disgusted with him.

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  • I know who’s going to be paying for lost water. The schmuck that will be paying the water tax and negative equity home tax.
    Cancel the phony stakeholder meeting.

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  • You can see were this is going. People will have their water cut of and Kenny and co will wash their hands and say there is nothing they can do as it’s a semi state company and they cannot interfere.

    Joy you already pay for your water. Your just being asked to pay twice for it as well as €800 for a poxy €50 meter and a bit of plumbing.

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    • I hope that Enda & Co do cut people’s water off. Then maybe people will see clearly who we have elected to represent us and the respect these egoists have for us.

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    • Ah but it won’t be Endas fault or even a semi state company, It will be the private sector. Once water goes on sale with a per unit price We the consumer are entitled to choice. The competion and monoplies laws will be invoked and most if not all of the water will be privatised. Goverment knows this so their promises are meaningless. But it will allow them to say in a year or twos time “We wanted to keep water a national resource but that would be illeagle and sure isn’t it for your own good?”

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  • This is hideous! For a guy who speaks on behalf of his own country to say this is barbaric….get this arrogant school teacher out of office NOW…what see you next tuesday!

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  • Hey will somebody help me on this? If you look at the charter of human rights, the official ones set out by the UN or UNICEF or one of these I’m not sure which, but it definitely says that every human being has the right to a water source. I’m pretty sure if the government decide to allow water cut offs, then they’d be in direct breach of this charter of internationally laid out and agreed human rights?

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  • Aurfur 26/04/12 #

    Ireland is the 4th worst performer from the bottom of the graph, not the top as per the article. I am all for harvesting water but ultimately when a significant number of households harvest water, the price of water will increase to compensate the loss in revenue. Whatever grass roots level people do to mitigate their losses they are and always will be thwarted by an as yet unseen increase, tax or levy to ‘bolster up’ an unsustainable system.

    Check out the Lidle price of bottled water in Spain and Portugal compared to Ireland. Supply and demand?

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  • Get this arrogant school teacher out of office NOW!! What person who talks on beheld of his country threatens to cut of a basic human right which is water? Unbelievable! Get this horrible individual out of power now!

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  • The only bit of comfort is that no FG/lab has lasted any length.

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  • B OMor 26/04/12 #

    Non revenue Water… is that including all the water we currently receive in our homes today that we currently don’t pay for??

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  • Enda is a bully but typically a coward also I see he has refused to go Vincint Browne again!!
    I’ll campaign against the water meters and I mean militantly as will others.

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  • So Enda, does sanitation go out of the window when it cannot go down the pipes? Where’s Health & Safety now? Cut off my water supply and I cannot flush my toilet with water collected in my own County!

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  • I have to laugh – in fact, LOL. “Ireland is one of the least efficient in the EU27…”. And “precious resource” says Kenny. Who’s kidding who? Ireland can afford to be the “least efficient” in the world for all it matters. It has enough of the stuff to drown in and then some while I agree with the observing genius of the Kenny comment but only if I lived in a place like Dubai. So no Knighthood for him then.
    What I find insipid is both the phrases themselves and the bother to report them. They are ‘water softeners’ so people will focus more on the tone than the message that the new world order have dictated to him to implement this unnecessary tax burden on the Irish people so we are in line with other member countries. So what’s the point of electing any national government? Control.

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  • Just take a look at those charts guys. If it was about conservation we would be using the money from the NPRF to repair the pipes, through a massive public works program employing 10,000s. Instead, we have a company being set up that will be sold off to rich people to make them even richer by controlling our water supply, meters bought, tenders put out, for fitting them etc. In other words a new revenue stream for anglo, and lots of cash for FG lackeys.

    Ireland: a first world country if you play the game with politicians, a third world country with no fresh water if you’re poor. Oh, and don’t forget to vote ‘yes’ on the 31st to continue this sham……

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  • Come on Enda give it your best make a change we need to see your very best cos all we get from you all in D.E.are threats and waffle and lies and more lies and Bully Boy tactics and if this is your Best your very BEST ? if this is really your very best you have failed miserably .. Not alone have you failed the people of Ireland You Enda Kenny have failed your own Family your Daughters will be reminded what a incompetent Man you are.Your Daughters will also be reminded what a G.S.you were in the year 2011 and 2012 that you smarmed up to Angela and Sarkozy and was patted on the head like a good little 2Year old They will also be reminded each and every day that they see in the papers re-uniting families at Ports Airports that had to leave Their homes to far off lands to earn a living that you have been very instrumental in destroying employment in Ireland… You Personally have destroyed families ,You have left children without fathers,parents without children , siblings without each other and Grandparents without families .yea you gave your best alright Enda… Your best at destroying the People of Ireland a people who are not afraid of putting their shoulder to the grindstone a people who were supportive of their neighbours and A Proud People yes you Have destroyed all this THANKS ENDA you are a traitor to your own

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  • @ryan whether this is relevant to the argument or not I’m unsure but I’ll entertain you all the same ( like the silly girl) that I am. I have no kids. I have a mortgage, I bought in 2007 so you can imagined the negative equity that I am. I’m 27 have one older brother who emigrated two years ago due to unemployment and both my parents are unemployed. I earn less now than I did starting out 6 years ago. I pay tax like everyone else and have recently moved home in order to rent my house to ease financial pressure.
    I don’t know whether it’s necessary for you to warrant all that information or if that somehow qualifies me to have an opinion but there you have it.

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  • Fagan's 26/04/12 #

    Why does Kenny come out with stuff like this. There is no political benefit to this. It’s stuff like this that grates down FG support.

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  • B7584 26/04/12 #

    Inda Kinny: Liar

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  • dare i say it… it was better the devil we knew i think. At least we knew they were curroupt. This crowed, bullies and evil.

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  • I don’t think there will be cut offs but I reckon that if people default then it’ll be taken from wages/benefits at source. They are apparently looking into this now already wrt to non payment of other things and fines etc.

    Also its a good bet that payment will have to be by direct debit in majority of cases like the ESB.

    As to who pays for the water lost between the treatment plant and your tap?—-simple. Nobody. The water will be lost. People will only pay for the water passing through the meter.

    Why is this an issue. Why won’t the government come out and just say these things directly. It’s all common sense. Here’s why: in my opinion the household charge and water rates were always going to cause much debate. Its being used as a smokescreen by the govenment to take some of the focus off the Fiscal Compact referendum.

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    • Unfortunatly Tom the price at tap will be adjusted to pay for lost water.

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    • Francis, its more to do with loss of revenue than water loss, they couldn’t give a shit about running taps or any water wasted, this is solely a financial matter, the whole preserving water bit is just spin.
      They need more money to continue this fiasco, cutting everywhere they can but around themselves to hand over money to the Troika like good little children because they are to dim and spineless to see the real position and strength we actually hold over the bond holders and the EU in regard paying to protect Germany’s banking system.
      They never even attempted to stand up and say No, they just bent over and took their demands which are unfairly being passed down to us now.

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    • Damhsa. Is this the only post of mone you’ve read? Cos your preaching to the choir

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  • I’m not an avid fine Gael/enda supporter but I don’t necessarily think its a bad thing that we have to pay for our water. I think it would be surprising for people to expect the government to declare that no penalties will be put in place if you don’t pay your charges? I do understand the financial plight that people are in but it’s not really unreasonable to suspect that if you don’t adhere to paying the charges that some penalty will be put in place.

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    • franco 26/04/12 #

      But you are a supporter .

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    • franco 26/04/12 #

      If you understood the financial plight people are going through you wouldn’t be making such silly statements .

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    • Silly girl has no real understanding of the word plight! Struggle to pay the mortgage do you, got kids to feed, scrounge to put €5 in the car, ask you neighbour for financial help!? You don’t have a clue about the real world all you care about is the rainbows out of Enda’s mouth. Get real would ya!!

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    • @ Joy. We DO pay for water and always have, through our taxes both direct and indirect. Now, that money is being stolen by government to pay bankers gambling debts and we are being ordered to pay a second time for a basic human necessity or possibly have it cut off. It’s criminal.

      Don’t believe me? Then explain whose being paying for the waterworks up till now…..

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    • Well said too trueleft. I’m blue in the face trying to point this out. In fact in 1977 we abolished rates and earmarked the higher rate of PRSI for exactly this. If Sky turned round and said “Yes I know we have a contract and you have been paying but were going to meter your box and charge you extra per program” would there even be debate I think not. No matter how much they said ” Ah com’on lads we put more moneythan we had on a horse and it lost, so we need to pay the bookie”

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    • Good comment Joy…and a great pic… Dont mind the comments below….

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    • Ryan, you really need to give up the broadband…If your so badly off, maybe spend less time on journal.ie and use your time more effectively..

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  • Hi Franco,
    I voted labour, fine Gael in the last election out of pure disillusionment with Fianna Fail but I don’t really know what I support to be honest. There is a lot I disagree with about the present government but on this issue I agree with water charges being introduced and I do feel like any charge, it’s not unreasonable to expect penalties for non payment.

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