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Fianna Fáil likely to back ‘Yes’ vote in any EU referendum – Martin

Martin speaking at the IIEA today
Martin speaking at the IIEA today
Image: Sasko Lazarov/Photocall Ireland

FIANNA FÁIL LEADER Micheál Martin has suggested that his party is likely to support a ‘Yes’ vote in any referendum on the new EU treaty.

Martin said the treaty was “part of the required agenda” to help the eurozone escape its debt crisis, and it was also important for Ireland’s own recovery. “The relationship between Ireland and the European Union has never before been so vital,” he said.

Speaking at the Institute for International and European Affairs in Dublin, he said:

In principle we are positive to the Treaty and will support it subject to receiving a proper response to our reasonable queries about its impact.  Unlike some in the Cabinet, we have never voted against a European Treaty and I don’t believe we will start with this one.

However, Martin said the treaty does not go far enough in its reforms. He said measures agreed “have not addressed the fundamental causes of the crisis”, and warned the debt uncertainty could continue if no “more radical action” was taken.

“Central to this is a significant expansion of key federal powers,” he said.

He called for the ECB to be given a broader mandate beyond its current role in inflation control, and should become a ‘lender of last resort’ able to step in and buy government bonds directly.

The ECB should also take over financial regulation from national central banks, Martin said, adding that its financial firepower should be increased to deal with any future problems.

The Fianna Fáil leader also rejected the notion of tax harmonisation, suggesting that France and Germany had “use[d] the crisis to push long-standing national obsessions” about other countries’ tax regimes.

He said Ireland’s corporation tax rate is “completely irrelevant to any problem facing the citizens of Europe at this time.  It had nothing to do with the crisis and has nothing to do with solving it.”

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  • Stephen Lowe 09/02/12 #
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    Have FF served their time yet? Do we have to start listening to them yet?

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    • Begrudgy 09/02/12 #
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      No never again.

    • Paul Mallon 09/02/12 #
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      Never again is a bit too soon for my liking.
      ..pretty sure they’ll be back in power next election though. :-(

    • Eileen Gabbett 10/02/12 #
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      Paul .
      Are you trying to confuse us ? ‘I wanted to Green thumb you
      for saying no to having to listen to FF ailures ever again
      and I have to red thumb you that they will be voted back into
      power at the next Gen Election….. I will never vote for FF/ FG / Lab

    • Paul Mallon 10/02/12 #
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      I’m pretty confident you’ll never vote FF Eileen, can’t say the same for an awful lot of people though.

  • Conor Heffernan 09/02/12 #
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    fianna fail and fianna gael should just amalgamate and form Fail-gael. there all the one at this stage.

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  • Ryan Murphy 09/02/12 #
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    “In principle we are positive to the Treaty and will support it subject to receiving a proper response to our reasonable queries about its impact.”

    What a load of indecisive twaddle.

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  • Lelookcoco 09/02/12 #
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    That’s guaranteed to ensure the referendum is defeated

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  • Sheila Murphy 09/02/12 #
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    SSDD

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  • Report this comment

    No need for a NO campaign for this one – all we need is FF and the other pathological liars in FG and labour supporting this.

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  • Gary Clowry 09/02/12 #
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    You cares what FF think and whatever you do don’t listen to many of the ranter in here, just read it yourself.
    A massive 11 pages http://www.european-council.europa.eu/media/579087/treaty.pdf

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      Thanks for the link :)

    • Paul Mallon 09/02/12 #
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      I read it when it was released, it’s drivel, a pointless piece of paper.
      That arsehole above says “it doesn’t go far enough” – it doesn’t do anything.
      The only thing I can see in that agreement is countries can be forced into line if they step out of place.
      Oh yeah, and they can fine countries who can’t afford to pay their debts! how is that supposed to work?
      It doesn’t even have a definition of terms – you could drive a bus through any of the points the gaps are so big – oh wait – that’s the point isn’t it?

      It’s not worth the paper it’s written on, it’s as good as a politicians word.
      They’re not even trying, how long did it take the great minds of the EU to put this tripe together?

    • Paul Mallon 09/02/12 #
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      having said that, I do agree with Gary, have a read yourself check up on anything you think might be “legalise”, I think after some research you’ll find it’s just bollox.

    • Gary Clowry 10/02/12 #
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      One thing to keep in mind, FF may well be useless and unworthy of our trust but that doesn’t mean it’s a good idea to do the opposite of what they suggest. They can be assholes and correct at the same time.

    • Eileen Gabbett 10/02/12 #
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      Bull sh1t

    • Gary Clowry 10/02/12 #
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      What’s bullshít? There’s too much of this crap in here that if FF (or the EU) say something I’ll do the opposite. I was never a FF voter but I’m not going to sit here and state that everything that say is wrong, as that would be nonsense. The can be the worst political party on earth and still have stuff to say that is right.

    • Eileen Gabbett 10/02/12 #
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      Your comment is . :)
      ” FF may well be useless and unworthy of our trust but that doesn’t mean it’s a good idea to do the opposite of what they suggest. They can be assholes and correct at the same time.”
      It contradicts itself …. They are assholes unwothy of our trust but correct !!! Double speak.

    • Gary Clowry 10/02/12 #
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      Doublespeak??!? Someone can we untrustworthy and at the same time correct in what they are saying. Those things are in no way mutually exclusive. You need to get a book on logic.

    • Paul Mallon 10/02/12 #
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      Re: assholes and still correct -

      Not in this case Gary.
      there’s nothing in this document that does anything to help resolve the current crisis.

  • Billygoatmuff 09/02/12 #
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    That’s the nail in the Yes coffin.

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  • jimbo 09/02/12 #
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    Who is looking for brownie points,thats all this is…

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  • Colm Mooney 09/02/12 #
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    so bugger off and wsit for Attorney Generals advice Micheal instead of playing to the crowd and looking for brownie points

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  • Paul O'Keeffe 09/02/12 #
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    There is no viable opposition in this country. This is a huge problem. If Fianna Fail doesnt see this referendum as going far enough and doesnt address the causes of the crisis why on earth would they support it? This makes no sense. Its this kind of wishy washy cowed done yes master leadership that has us in this mess in the first place. *Sigh*

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    • Dermot Murphy 09/02/12 #
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      Paul it does not matter to them what they sign up to.At the end of the day,nothing will alter one bit in their lives.It will be us who will bear the brunt

    • Paul O'Keeffe 09/02/12 #
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      You are so right Dermot. Its absolutely sickening.

    • Cal Mooney 09/02/12 #
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      Paul…. Only people who are part faithful think like you …. SF are definuitely a viable option to all who have their eyes open.

    • Paul O'Keeffe 09/02/12 #
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      Hmmm not exactly. I’m an optimist by nature but tbh I feel completely dejected by the state of politics here. SF have come a long ways in my eyes and have some great leaders (especially with the likes of Mary Lou and Pierce) but they just arent big enough to be a real balancing party. Lab have gone the way of the Greens so they are worse than useless.Anyway thats all besides the point of this thread. The biggest problem right now is the lack of effective opposition from FF. Ok so they are mostly to blame but one would think they would be doing their best to listen to the people right now and claw back a bit of support but obviously not.

    • mur 09/02/12 #
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      there is an opposition in this country. its the govt against the wishes of thev people

  • Paul Carr 09/02/12 #
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    The Republic of Ireland’s corporation tax rate is sacrosanct – like the Angelus on RTE and no abortion.

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  • Dermot Murphy 09/02/12 #
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    Of course they will support it.Nothing will change in their pockets,only ours.

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  • Jimmy Cahill 09/02/12 #
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    So will we have to vote twice for this one too?

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  • Dermot Murphy 09/02/12 #
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    If all this austerity happened years ago,the unions would have shut down ireland.Just goes to show how obedient the union bosses are when their salarys,expenses,and pensions went up.Now they are just like all the others.Greed again.

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  • Karl O Flynn 09/02/12 #
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    S

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  • Bren Adams 09/02/12 #
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    who cares what fianna fail think

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    • Hanly Sheelagh 09/02/12 #
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      In a Country with mature voters it wouldn’t matter what Ff or any other F says or does. Why can’t individuals read this so-called Treaty and decide whether it is right or not for this country at this time. The problem with voters is they don’t vote for policies, they often don’t know what the candidate stands for so with this treaty, they will do what they are told again (and again if necessary)

  • Karl O Flynn 09/02/12 #
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    So true. Another shower of useless, greedy f..ckers lining there own pockets. Six figure salaries and fancy cars. Where are they now?

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    FF supporting it?

    Thats the kiss of death right there!

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  • David Higgins 09/02/12 #
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    This is a further sign of FF’s irrelevance as a party.

    With them on the Yes side, but without a cent to campaign with, they won’t be seen or heard throughout any referendum. It’s like the presidency where they pretty much just sat on the sidelines.

    Sinn Fein will lead the No vote and will cement their position as the true leaders of the opposition. They’ll probably go above 20% in the polls.

    Of course it assumes that a *referendum actually happens (AG advice pending).

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    • Gary Clowry 10/02/12 #
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      I really believe everyone should read this and make up their own mind. That said Sinn Fein have been saying the exact same things since the treaty on us joining the EEC in 1973. Yeah Sinn “We are pro-EU, but don’t ever vote yes to anything” Fein.

    • Paul Mallon 10/02/12 #
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      I’m pro EU but I’m against this treaty. The difference being, I’m actually pro EU, I agree with the free trade, somewhat closer ties and even the fiscal union. But what we have here is faux capitalism – grinding the people of Europe down while propping up failed businesses, consolidation of power in an effort to maintain a failed system.
      I don’t think Sinn Fein have what it takes to fix this either. Don’t think any of the current parties do.

    • Gary Clowry 12/02/12 #
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      The point is Sinn Fein say they are pro-EU but they have actively campaigned against every treaty. Words say one thing their actions say a completely different thing.

  • Gavin McGuinness 09/02/12 #
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    Ha Ha! I see what they’re doing here. Secretly they want the treaty to fail… so what better way to get a treaty to fail then stamping a lovely “Fianna Fail Approved” stamp on the front of it!

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  • John Mulligan 10/02/12 #
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    They want a yes vote to the treaty , yet they were the ones going daft to get a referendum on the matter, rather than have it signed off by the government.

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    • Paul Mallon 10/02/12 #
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      That’s the way it should be done. A government should have confidence in their mandate, if they don’t they make excuses and push game changing legislation through on the sly.

  • Irish Eamonn 12/02/12 #
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    I will still vote no. The collapse of the euro is what Ireland needs to get our export industry to lift us out of this downturn. That has been Iceland’s experience since the collapse of their currency the Krona. I find it disgraceful that they put this poison-pill into the Treaty to blackmail the Irish people into voting yes. There comes a point when the price to be paid for the preservation of a political-project outweights the benefits thereof.

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