Can’t wait for them to turn up at my door!! You should see my new Alsatian!! Bring it on Phil!

Phil Hogan has now set up teams of ‘national household charge collectors’ from the town and county councils, who will come to all households in the country telling those who haven’t paid to pay. He has also has instructed all employees in the department of the environment that if any of them don’t pay it will reflect badly on them. Actions like these are a serious cross of the line and God help the poor sod who crosses the line on to my property. Phil Hogan is a bully who thinks he can use his position of authority to threaten the Irish people, he needs to get a life.

Everyone who is protesting against the household charge, maybe you can do me a favour and please read the linked articles. Then tell me exactly how we’re funding services without these taxes. Genuinely question btw, I’d really like to know.
http://economic-incentives.blogspot.com/2011/11/deficit-and-banks.html
“If we do a simple counterfactual and magic away the €62.5 billion we have pumped into the banks, the projected deficit for 2012 would fall from €13.6 billion to €12.8 billion or 8.0% of GDP. Eliminating the effect of the bank payments would knock 5% off the deficit; 95% of next year’s deficit is not related to the bank payments.”

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/finance/2012/0323/1224313766388.html
“But the guardians of the public finances were as inattentive to the risks they faced as were the guardians of the financial system. They pumped out every cent that flooded into the exchequer with no consideration of the sustainability of revenues streams.”

Gary, these services were being funded without the tax in place. The hard fact of the matter is that the govt. reduced funding to the local govt. fund to the tune of 170 million. They are now saying WE have to fund local services thru this tax. We all know the money they took from the fund is going towards the bondholders. Personally, I won’t be paying. It is an unjust, and ill thought out tax. I pay 130 per month management fee. The local council have not yet “taken in charge” my estate. When the do, and when a fairer tax is brought in perhaps then I’ll think of paying. Until then, the can sing for it.

Aldo, Gary has had this question answered many times, as have whatever government minister is wheeled in front of a microphone on any given day only to be humiliated.

@Too & @Aldo

You haven’t addressed Garys point ;

The country is bankrupt and the funding is required, using a number of methods including taxation.

However being obstructive because you have a gripe with how the country is being run is pointless and serves no purpose.

Redirect your anger at FF and the destruction they caused. In the meantime your citizenship expects you to pay your share

I was there myself and was lucky to get a seat .Amazing speeches , sincere and true. I could not believe that there were more people than seats and the speakers had to go out side with megaphones to speak to the people thgere . Came home ,so happy and revived . Ireland is waking up ! I love you Ireland . :)

Aldo, Too Trueleft and Sue. Was there myself. Unbelievable day. Enjoy the buzz. We have won. They have lost.

Gary and Dub in Naas. If you feel you’d like to donate more for local services donate directly to a hospice, hospital, library. Take your pick. Stop trying to make us feel like criminals. We can’t wait to become criminals against this banktatorship.

I love Ireland too. The energy in the National Stadium today could free the world from slavery – never mind Ireland. Hit us with your worst Phil Hogan. We’re not a bit scared. But you should be. Bring it on…

The news said there was 3000 people. Basing that on a very conservative population of 4 million thats .075 percent or in other words a truly insignificant minority! Just a few politicians trying to get re-elected in the next election. Funny to see them fighting with each other over the lack of airtime some of them got. How people can listen to their lies and propoganda is beyond me!

David
1473796 There is a number for you,
that is one million four hundred and seventy three thousand seven hundred and ninety six ….. Guess what that number represents . Have a nice evening :) Very Positive news and numbers.

@ Gary: I wouldn’t bother trying to get alternatives from the anti Household Charge brigade. They only do self-righteous anger and misplaced nationalism. They ignore people who point out that regardless of the bank bailout costs, there is still the deficit. We hear glib slogans like “no more cutbacks”, “end austerity”, “tax the rich” and “burn the bondholders” but none of these would address the deficit.

I saw Clare Daly on the news this evening. She’s opposed to the household charge. She’ll still oppose it next year, when it is changed so those with larger and more valuable homes are charged more. The hard left in Ireland are truly unique, being against progressive taxation.

@ Susie. That number is the number of people that your crowd say wont pay the charge and guess what. They’re wrong about that too. How many households is that by the way? It’s approx 30 percent of the population but how many households is it? And how many of that magical number of 1.47 million are already exempt from the household charge. Still though, If numbers like that get people like you excited and you get a day out of it sure how bad?

David
My Crowd ? Not at all , thank you for the plaudit but it is certainly not my crowd, we are a group of people who have come to the same conclusions , because we woke up and looked and listened to everything we have not been shown and not been told .To get back to that number tho, that is the official government number as at yesterday evening :) Great ,positive news !
And How many are exempt from paying it ? I do not know but I do know , none of that number is exempt from registering . And to get back to exemptions , how many of the people who have ”registered” are exempt from paying ? Maybe you can get those figures from your leader !

Well fair play to you susie for “waking up and looking and listening to everything you have not been shown and not been told”. You make about as much sense as the rest of your crowd of nah sayers! Go on away to bed now, You must be tired after your big day out!

David
Thanks for your concern , I am tired , but way too bouyed up to sleep . I am listening to music :) And we have so much more to look forward to in the future , This campaign is only going to gather mopmentum. Don’t let me delay you tho . Good night :)

David. It was an activists’ meeting. We only expected 2000. They had to hold a second meeting in the car park so many turned up. The only people “banging the doors down” to get into your Árd Fheis next week will be the thousands marching demanding a government of the Irish people, for the Irish people, for the ordinary man and woman of Europe in fact.

Wrong again Réada. I’m not politically aligned to any person or party. I just have to laugh at all the people like you that are falling head over heels for the lies and propoganda from the don’t pay brigade. I do feel sorry for the naive people being caught up in the whole thing though. And as for giving the don’t pay brigade money, now that is just ridiculous in the extreme.

#Aldo. Government services are being funded with up to 15 billion borrowed from the troika each year. So yes they are being funded but funded on the never never and the piper will have to be paid.
#TooTrueleft. The best answer I’ve gotten was we’ll get out of it with growth, which indeed we would. However they didn’t explain how we achieve this growth in a world recession. And that’s by far the best answer I got which doesn’t say much. But perhaps I wasn’t listening then so why don’t you explain it again?
#Réada. I have donated to hospices thanks. The country is in dire straits and any true nationalist would step up and do their bit. Not hide behind nonsense that says there a way for us not to pay and keep going along.

So is anyone going to read the links above and explain how we’re funding the country exactly?

Gary. I prefer the term Republican. I know Irish nationalism has a different ethos to nationalism from say a British perspective. A republican is against imperialism, in this case Banktatorships. I’d like to see what we do in this and the Austerity Treaty benefit all the people of Europe. The system is not fair. Pure and simple.

#Réada. I must admit I do take my hat off to Sinn Fein calling the fiscal compact the ‘austerity treaty’ at every possible opportunity. Great strategy. Unfortunately the truth is we will be having the same austerity whether we vote yes or no to the fiscal compact.
“I’d like to see what we do in this and the Austerity Treaty benefit all the people of Europe”. This is an interesting statement because I’m pretty confident you know that this fiscal compact only needs twelve signatures and we can be bypassed. So there is nothing we can do for the people of Europe by voting yes or no. It makes me question your bona fides.
I (like everyone else) don’t want to pay taxes or certainly more taxes than I need to but I have the honesty to admit I am going to be paying more, I am also going to be on the receiving end of more austerity. This path we’re on started out with Fianna Fail abolishing domestic rates in 1974 to win an election. This took away a sustainable tax which needed to be replaced. Fianna Fail continued to buy elections with their less tax, more spending mantra. We are now paying the piper and a property tax will be reintroduced whether we like it our not, there is no alternative given the hole in our finances. And all this misdirection of blaming the banks on all our woes won’t change that.
It genuinely amazes me though that lefties in this country are against a real property tax which will always be a tax on wealth and it is used that way all over the world.

http://economic-incentives.blogspot.com/2011/11/deficit-and-banks.html
“If we do a simple counterfactual and magic away the €62.5 billion we have pumped into the banks, the projected deficit for 2012 would fall from €13.6 billion to €12.8 billion or 8.0% of GDP. Eliminating the effect of the bank payments would knock 5% off the deficit; 95% of next year’s deficit is not related to the bank payments.”

Gary. I can’t speak for Sinn Féin or ULA as I’m not a member of any political party. I no longer support Labour so I will be voting for an anti-Austerity party soon in next GE. Had thought it would be GE13 but rumours abound that there’s trouble ahead in Labour so might just be GE12. This time ppl will vote for those who stood by them, not threatened them.

Réada. You can vote for anyone you like, it’s your business. But I’m genuinely confused as to why anyone would vote for an anti-austerity party. I’m pretty confident in saying no one wants austerity but I’m also fairly confident we will be getting it no matter what. I’m really serious about this, I’d love a way to not have tax increases and austerity, I think we all would. I’d love someone to tell me how it will all work out with no tax increases and austerity, I truly would. No amount of crossing our fingers, or blaming the banks or voting for anti-austerity will make it go away… sadly.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/finance/2012/0323/1224313766388.html
“Three claims are frequently made:
* Most public debt is a result of taking on banking debt;
* The economic and budgetary outlook would be transformed if banking debt could be offloaded;
* A bailout would not have been needed had it not been for socialised banking debt.

These claims are, respectively, plain wrong, wrong and debatable.”

Well done Ireland just stick together and don’t listen to likes of Phil hogan.

@ Gary: I’d give up if I were you. Like I said before, they love protesting but don’t do feasible alternatives. And when it comes to answering questions directly, they make Bertie Ahern look good.

#Ryan. They keep telling me they have answered the questions I’ve asked them previously. But when I ask them to tell me again I get silence. Then they repeat the next time that they have answered my questions so I’m still none the wiser.

The articles I’ve linked clearly show the money raised from this charge is not ‘going to the banks’. It’s going to fund the deficit. A deficit which is not going to magically disappear if we don’t raise taxes and accept austerity.
Pretty please will anyone address the points I’m raising, if you truly believe in what you’re doing surely you have some evidence to support it. How are we funding the state without additional taxes?

Someone with an 8 Bedroom house in Dalkey is more likely to be in negative equity/unable to pay their mortgage and so is far less likely to be able to pay more than €100 when compared to you.

And no I dont live in an 8 bed house, nor do I live in dalkey.

@Orion. Oh really? Because CSO stats indicate that the type of people who own 8 bedroom houses in Dalkey have by and large INCREASED their wealth over the last few years.

That’s right jimbo. You don’t pay anything. Just don’t you dare bitch and moan about education or health or when the libraries have to restrict their opening hours or when the streets aren’t cleaned. Maybe your comrades will stump up the readies.

If we can widen the tax base and move away from transaction taxation like VAT and Stamp Duty then, and only then, will we ever be able to have a stable, functioning budgetary policy.

Can someone in the ‘not going to pay’ camp please tell me where the money should come from?

(and please, don’t tell me from the rich bankers ets, etc)

@ Steve.. You’ve actually highlighted the point!!? Where is the money going to come from for WHAT!? Fergus O’Dowd was on late late last night making a plea and saying ‘we have NI money’.. At the same time his colleagues continue to sign off 20 and 30 grand salary increases for advisors, over the supposed 92 THOUSAND Euro Per Year Pay ‘Cap’
Don’t be telling me that they have no money

Wonder how many people went from the stadium to the pub or the chippie and spent more than the €2 a week the household charge is. ????

If they did then fair play to them for contributing to the local economy and the tax take like good citizens. ;)

@Steve from the top 5% who have 220billion in wealth that workers in Ireland created!

Interesting angle Gerard. I am paying in instalments, €25 every second month for the next 6 months. I hope those who don’t pay are fined. Anarchy is a dangerous thing. I hope those who need to use public services, enjoy using our parks etc will be happy when they are all closed down due to lack of funding.

So Steve you are paying 150 euro

Couldn’t agree more.. Especially the continuity fianna fail bit.
Me sister lives in an unfinished estate and is supposed to be exempt. But good aul Michael Kennedy and his FF buddy in north Dublin has issued her with a caring letter on behalf of FG/Lab telling her she’ll have to register to qualify for exemption. They’re all wearing the green jersey.

well said 100% with u on that?

And where did the bank get the money from????

Actually it’s 73 or 83 % tax on fuel…. Not 60.

If any one knocks on my door looking for this , I will set the dogs on them .

Slight mistake there Will, I think. Presumably, you meant that until the mortgage is paid, the bank own your house and therefore the liability of paying the property tax, should be directed towards the bank.

Ther

@ Suzie Chester .. Can I Borrow your Dogs please?
Shatter brought out a new law that if you are threatened in your OWN home…………

Eibhlin. With the greatest of respect, suggesting that the property tax will eventually be €6000 is the kind of stupid comment which makes me embarrassed to be Irish.

I could’t care less about you. Your selfishness is apalling. Can pay but wont pay, well done. Hope they increase the USC and reduce social welfare to see how you all feel then.

What, like the homeless?

caroline I’m with you on that one ?what’s the difference we all use the same things must be. somthing wrong with this page I’m after emailing them it won’t let u like comments only unlike are u finding that?

The thing is ladies, no one should be paying this tax, The truth is there is too much public money squandered in this country on stuff that is not thought through.It is not brain surgery , and the question needs to be asked , how much is enough for anyone to live on ? Nobodt denies that people should be paid according to their qualifications and status ‘.

You have no problem paying your way? I think you have buddy…

Spot on , Well said D.S.

Steve, you are buying all the usual rhetoric if you really think that parks will be closed down as a result of people not paying this tax.. Cmon, wake up and smell the coffee!! Why, unlike the 2nd home tax, is this being collected centrally!? Do you also know that the local authority funding for 2012 has already been cut by 178 million

For the record, I’m married. My wife is currently unemployed and I work as an electrical engineer. We have no children. I have taken a 15% paycut over the last 3 years. Am I wealthy? Far from it. Am I sensible with my money? Yes. I gave up smoking last year as U couldn’t afford it. That saves me €1500 per year. We don’t go out every weekend like we used to but we go out every second weekend. This has saved us €3000 every year. I sympathise with everybody who literally does not have the money to pay but for those who can afford it, even if that means making sacrifices like we have, then I think as citezens of a proud nation, then you should.

micheal your on the ball I don’t know were steven lives? as we are paying as it is? look I know I’m getting off the point but when they brought in parking staff they said it would go back into were u live?were I live I don’t see we benefited at all we don’t even have a public swimming pool so really don’t no were steven is comming from

@Steve we have the Violins out fir you

@Bernadette. I paid €25 this week and I will pay another €25 in 2 months time, then another 2 months after that and then the final €25 2 months after that.

25+25+25+25=100

Is there no calculator on your phone?

Tobacco? Christ, stop smoking and you will have €100 to pay your household charge.

Why have 5 people given the thumbs for the above comment? The woman is right.
These people making negative comments about todays protest bring to mind those people who spate at the leaders of the 1916 Rising. You know folks somdtimes you’ve got to take a stand.

The people who are giving the thumbs down are all for ”the party ” FG/ Lab /FF not the country . They are not loyal Irish people and they do not care who has to pay the wealthy . They will even sacrifice, their children and future generations to pay of these gamblers .

What an ignorant person you are moira. Check your facts before you spew.

Boycott the Dail?

Jesus wept.

I think you are a nutcase!!!!

That nutcase remark was meant for Pauline. In case there should be any doubt.

Pauline Mulpeter
I fear you have taken serious the threats by leading members of our government that they can go in and take money from your accounts or add money to service accounts ….. they can’t. This is all scare tactics , and mcbab and steve here are just adding to your discomfort . Don’t mind these boyos, they are young yet and lack finesse in their comments.
We can not ”boycott rhe dail” .I am not altogether sure what you mean , but we can boycott en masse this house hold charge along with your family friends and neighbours. Keep your comments coming Pauline :)

THey can’t do that liam …… scaring people is all your buddies in power are good for ….. leave it out . Things are bad enough . I wonder at the reasons behind some peoples comments on these threads …. Do they enjoy upsetting already vulnerable people. or are they compensated for time spent insultiung and terrorising already worried people . This smacks of ,dare I say , ..”sturmarbeiteilung.” and people should stop and think before it gets out of hand .

John, if you bothered to read my comments you would see that I have paid. I find your comments rather strange. I have let the country down by paying? I think you’ll find that I have done the right thing.

If you don’t agree with me then thats fine but please don’t call me a bully.

Actually john the people on this page that say they won’t pay the charge are in the majority here but they are a tiny minority of the national population.

No Kevin, just the landlords.

Sucker

You should have come along , we listen to every one , SNA’S, Vita Cortex, Indirect taxes of all kinds !

And James have you protested about the fuel tax or are you organising a protest about it? If you have you should let us all know you might like a bit if support. if you are just being negative just go back to the blue shirts and tell that WE WILL NOT BE PAYING THIS UNFAIR UNJUST TAX ON OUR HOMES and to be polite then just go and get list

Reassurance that there’s strength in numbers.

True- more Irish people did not attend this rally than did attend it. That is strength in numbers.

So clever.

Orion
1473796 There is a number for you =
that is one millionfourhundred and seventy three thousandseven hundredand ninety six ….. Guess what that number represents . Have a nice day .

Orion The stadium only holds 3000 and it was packed with a crowd outside that had to be addressed separately. I heard nothing about it , so maybe next time they will advertise it better and hold it in croke park. With 80% of the population either against this payment or undecided you can’t argue the wouldn’t fill it.

Martin Byrne
Next saturday 31st , there is a march and Rally in Dublin , Parnell square , the Garden of Remembrance at 1pm.Come along. March to the Conference centre . :)

You mean local authorities such as Dublin city council Paddy! Just ask the priory hall residents what they’d like to do with them! Personally I’d rather spend time in jail than give in to that bullying bastard HOGAN! Thugs like him have to be stopped!

It’s 8 euros a month now paddy, but the dogs in the street know its going to be 50-60 euro a month. Lets be realistic instead of repeating the spoonfed FG soundbites.

I have seen the report, it recommends €586 a year household tax for homes of €150k- €300k value. €100 is just the opener.

Sure bring back Bertie so. FF never raised taxes. In fact FF abolished local authority rates in 1977, a stroke to buy an election. We had household charges up to then. This stroke worked, short term. They won the election. but it was all paid for by loans from foreign bondholders who came looking for their pound of flesh. Led to the 80s decade of austerity.
Sound familiar ?
Yeah let’s bring those FF boyos back. They know what people want. Cash in hand!

“Chop! Chop!” I think your comment is the joke and so is the fact that you left this comment without showing your face. Cowardly to say the least, ass.

:-)

Your a fucking muppet, now run along and troll elsewhere.

If the government gives back the stamp duty to all the people that paid it, I’d say pay up ya cheap feckers. But thats not going to happen coz that would be fair, and Enda and Eamon are not interested in whats fair when it comes to the people of this country.

Will

Will you ever grow up ffs. What is with the name calling you fool

I hope you see the hypocrisy of calling somebody a name because you have a problem with them calling you a name.

Your attitude is typical of people who cheered on as their idols drove this country over a cliff that will now take a generation to lift from the sea. Shame on you.. But as they say, what goes around will come around on you also!

Carmel is right you don’t even give your name. You could be Phil Hogan for all anyone knows. You sure sound like him or one of his lackys.

Youbetterpayup go ahead cos I will not be paying Cos I am sick of paying for everyone else’s Debts and in this case it’s the gamblers and bankers debt

Well we will chop chop all right lol lol lol if anyone comes to MYdoor about paying the home tax it will be chop chop for them

And how do you think we’ve been paying for these services up to now? Through direct and indirect taxation. Now, if you want to cheerlead our taxes being thieved to pay rich peoples gambling debts, leaving a hole that has to be filled with these new unfair anglo taxes, thats your own business. But don’t insult peoples intelligence that somehow we’re looking for a free ride rather than being forced to pay twice for the same thing.

Really, do you think increasing the scam that is the USC is fair? That will hit people who don’t own a property.

Just slash the social welfare and tear up the croke park agreement. Simple as.

Steve get a grip the services are paid from our income tax the Bondholders, Bankers are taking the home tax SIMPLES

Anyone knocking on ny door trying to extort money from me better watch out.Had enough of these moneygrabbers.Let them take a cut in their own salarys,and rte,lawyers,judges,the whole lot of them.Huge savings to be made there.

Or instead of hitting the poorest the most, they can close tax loopholes, create a third rate of tax on high earners, do away with public tax subsidies on private pensions, not pay unsecured bondholders and so on…………