”Investigation into banking crash needs to hurry up – Howlin” ??

No Brendan

Your plan is
to wait until every working person in the country is either kicked out of their home or has emigrated before you will do anything.

This has been going on 4 long years.

”Howlin said that he would not comment on whether politicians should be questioned by gardaí or charged over their role in the crisis as it would be inappropriate”

That’s probably because he was not asked to comment by anyone, especially the ”bought out” toothless opposition media.

typo
opposition and media

this guy howlin is talking more dribble there is no investigation of any real meaning in to the bank heist , if the truth ever gets out which it will in about 25 years and all these guys who are responsible for the heist will be dead .could any body guess how many judges barristers political elite would have to resign due to being bankrupt if that bank went under ,

Howlin you really are joking
How dare you Howlin insult the Irish people with this crap

The unfortunate reality is that unless people can be found guilty under the laws at the time, there won’t be many court cases. What we need to focus on is the naming and shaming of those responsible and that we learn thoroughly what mistakes were made. The Oireachtas inquiries route was the best as it allowed members to make findings of conduct of persons involved in matters of national importance.

What will be ignored in any inquiry is the states roll in the property bubble/bust. The state played a key role in this whole sorry episode. From cheerleading & introducing tax incentives to further inflate the bubble to the disasterous bank guarantee.
Awarding enhanced powers to the state to investigate the crisis is like authorising an accomplise to a crime the powers to investigate that crime. Any findings will be distorted to protect the investigator.
Any banking inquiry must be undertaken by a party with no involvement in the crisis and no vested interest in it’s findings.

David, here’s the thing, People don’t like truth. I often have this conversation with people:
Them: There’s too much cuts
Me: You’d be moaning if they didn’t cut
Them: True.
People just don’t like being told the truth unfortunately. They just oppose every good government does because of some of it’s failings, its quite ridiculous but unfortunately that’s the current electorates mindset, not a good one but hopefully the electorate I’ll be on will be smarter, I know I won’t just say no to everything government does like the current electorate.

Yeah Karl,
Just because it aint nice doesnt mean it aint the truth.
We know some arseholes screwed everything up for the rest of us – now we have to do whats the best to fix things up again, and that isnt nice either.
They still should find a way to string up those aforementioned arseholes so they wont stay rich while we pay for their mistakes.
BUT not paying household charge and voting no on the upcoming referendum wont punish those arseholes, and protest votes got us the shower of eedjits in government now
Argh I dont know

There’s little clarity or concensus as to what the actual cause of this crisis is. There are vague accusations directed at banks, bondholders, Fianna Fail, Greens, ECB, property developers, bank regulators, Department of Finance, Merkosy, the IMF.
All of these actors have one way or another behaved with criminal negligence, corruption or both. However, these are merely symptoms of the dysfunction rather than the cause.
The cause of this crisis is the currency we use. Every episode in history where fiat currency has been used has resulted in economic collapse. This one is proving to be no different.
Taxes and fiscal controls will not address or resolve this problem.
http://papermoneycollapse.com/book/prologue/

Charles de Gaulle predicts the current crisis in 1965.
http://www.transcend.org/tms/2011/10/de-gaulle-predicted-the-us-monetary-crisis-in-1965-video-of-the-week/

Don’t vote no on the up coming referendum to punish politicians, vote no because the route the EU is taking is the wrong one. Vote no because the suggestions are a sham. Vote no because the powers in the EU are only out to save themselves. Vote no because you want a real solution – even if it is more painful than the current one in the short term.

Dave, we haven’t got the laws and can’t backdate our laws, unfortunately we are pretty helpless and the Fianna Fail party knew this so took full advantage. Now we just have to name, shame and clean up the mess. Bite the bullet and get on with it once and for all.

It’s 11 Gardaí.

Why not – did not An Garda Siochana perform such dark art brilliantly for decades in pursuit of the notion of their infallibility and to put the fear of God into any person challenging their utterly corrupt ways. The system worked very well for those gougers.

Now now Dave. FG didn’t just get in because everybody was pissed off with FF. They also got in because they brazenly lied through their teeth during the election campaign. Theres 310,000,000,000 red cents being thrown into the anglo black hole at the end of the month to confirm this.

They got voted in and whether you like it or not your vote is valid for 5 years and can’t be changed unless government collapses before then. There 5 point plans fundamentals still remains in the program for government and they’ve stuck to it. Unfortunately they are in a coalition with Labour who aren’t the best partners, pretty clueless at times. No party can get their full election manifesto done in a coalition.

here’s the 5 point plan Karl

1 Growth and Jobs
NewERA: A €7 Billion Investment in our Future 6
Every Job Counts: Beyond the Smart Economy 7
Race to the Top: An Education System for the 21st Century
FAIL
2. Fair Deficit Reduction
Protecting Jobs – Protecting the Taxpayer
Sharing the Burden: A Fair and Effective Banking Solution

FAIL

3. Smaller Better Government
Smaller Government: €5 Billion of Savings
Better Government: An End to Command and Control

FAIL

4. A New Politics
Abolishing the Seanad – Reforming the Dail
Empowering the Citizen: Real Power to the People

FAIL

5. Healthcare for All
Radical Reform of the Current Health System (2011–2015)
Universal Health Insurance (2016–2020) 2
Making the Current Health System More Efficient

FAIL

There’s some facts for ye Karl

Oh Dave, you didn’t read the program for government did you(or you picked what you wanted to see was it?)? They are changing the healthcare system from 2013 with some pilots and fully in 2014. The short-term deal for the taxpayer might not sound too sweet but in the long run, it’s a lot better than what Fianna Fail done. The abolition of the Séanad has to be done through referendum and that referendum is widely expected to be this year as was promised. The Daíl will be smaller at the next election which is what I remember them saying during the campaign. The money for NewEra simply isn’t there but when we get back on the markets they’ll start judging it and try get it done however they are in a coalition with Labour who are fairly opposed to such schemes. The Universal Health Charge is to come into force in 2013 or 2014 last time I checked. You can’t do everything overnight or in a year as you seem to expect.

You are incredibly innocent Karl, now run along and fetch Uncle Enda a nice cold can of Lilt.

Ok Dave and Karl, this is getting a bit heated. Worth taking a look at our comments policy which asks readers to play the ball, not the man, and to avoid getting stuck into arguments which start getting too personal. Worth bearing in mind before posting again.

Okay Christine I didn’t mean to be offensive to Dave. I’ll stick to what I was looking at and take the person out of it then. I do appreciate your moderation Christine, it’s always helpful to have a moderators guidance on every website. B7584 I’m not innocent i just have a different set of ideals than you.

Thanks.

B7584, They haven’t failed on everything. They’ve got the troika targets met and are engaging with businesses. They’ve started employment programs and done cuts:tax raises on a 3:1 ratio. The majority voted for a conservative government and they got fiscal conservatism with that 3:1 ratio. The country is spending too much (€20 Billion per year to be precise), we have to make cuts whether you like it or not. Would you rather they continued spending that money every year they where elected to office and added even more money to our already out of control deficit? Ye, didn’t think so. We can’t have it all ways we have to give something to get something.

Ok Enda.

I’m not Enda but I must admit I’m glad you likened me to him, he has shown great strength defying public opinion and maintaining his parties lead in the majority of the polls.

lol Karl, while I admire your confidence in the government – why don’t you check out exactly how much money we’re paying to defunct banks on top of the deficit. Come back with some hard facts and figures on justifying that spend, then we’ll talk. All this talk of the overspend is not the issue, it’s the cover-up.
Have a read of this for a start, some interesting facts and figures in there:

http://www.investorsinsight.com/blogs/john_mauldins_outside_the_box/archive/2012/03/12/european-countries-that-make-you-go-hmmm.aspx

Skip down to the heading “Things That Make You Go Hmmm…” and read from there.

Easy there, Enda.

B7584, I’m not Enda Kenny tho I would like his job. I must say if you’re writing off a person/party just because of some of their failings(for FG,Europe is the only one I can think of tbh) that’s not going to work out for you in the long run.

are you really 16 Karl?
Get some more life before you can make proper comments

Dave, I’ve stated nothing but facts now stop being ageist. The thing is your generations mess isn’t my generations problem.

Not being ageist when I say a 16 year old is not qualified to make serious comments.
Have you a family?
A job?
A mortgage?
When the financial meltdown started you were 12. I rest my case

Facts Karl?
Really?
I think you mean opinions. Very few actual facts Karl

Actually you are mate, I know what’s going on and as I said your generations mess isn’t my generations problem. Yes, I was 12 but I was 6 when I knew the euro was too good to be true. The thing is I’m allowed to make the comments from my perspective otherwise I wouldn’t be making them. You can join a youth political organization from Age 15. You can run at 18 and vote at 18. There’s only a 2 years difference between when you can vote and my current age and I can already affiliate with a party through their youth organization tho I do not. If all you can do is comment on my age you really have no argument. Dave I said there’s surprises in everything that’s a fact, I said from my perspective I think the only thing FG have failed on his Europe, that’s a fact because that is indeed my honest opinion. I’ve stated you’re ageist, that’s a fact as you have went against what I said with the only argument from you being my age. I’ve stated facts.

Opinion is only fact in your head Karl

No it’s not.

Hate to tell you this Karl but it is your generations problem, and your kids problem too. That’s a fact. nothing’s going to change because no-one is willing to make the hard decisions. Everyone out for themselves, no one looking at the big picture. If I was you I’d be making plans to get the hell out as soon as you’re 18.

If you think getting us out of this financial hole is part of the plan you’re sorely mistaken. The governments actions are those of cowards, they haven’t the nerve to take the decisions that are needed, they’re all about self-preservation, they only secure their own futures.