You ok, Peter? A comment that didn’t include an attack on the Catholic Church?

Then figure have increase thanks to the FANTASTIC DEAL that was rushed through in the middle of the night while most of us slept. It is now I could be slightly off but I am close, we now have 55 % an it is somewhere near 14-15 thousand per capita.
Great deal!

John
Hello! We haven’t met but in some respect I’m glad that is so because I don’t believe that I would like you. Most of the people in my circle are honest and trustworthy and the sort who enter into agreements which are always fully honoured. You probably don’t really meet many of these people because your views reflect the type of honour dodging that has got us into so much trouble in the past. You remember the eight hundred thousand bogus non resident bank accounts? Of course you do and the five hundred thousand fine citizens who haven’t yet paid the Household Charge which is a lawfully imposed tax on domestic dwellings.
Well you see John if I was operating a business with customers like that It wouldn’t be long before my business would be bankrupt.
These nice folks in Europe who lent us money when nobody else would will want their money back John and you want to shortchange them. John do you not see that our Government dont want to be seen operating in the shady dark alleyways that your ideas and attitudes come from.
John we are a sovereign and a proud Nation. Don’t make us sound like people trying a shakedown that you would see on the fringe of a racetrack.

@Peter , if I may , you are absolutely correct about honour ! Just one question Did Anglo Irish Bank act in an Honourable way when it extended the boom and therefore the number of victims of the bubble by organising the B and B loans , take the bonuses and dump what Michael Noonan has admitted was illicit debt on every worker in Ireland ?
Did the multinational depositors who withdrew their funds and caused a run on our banks act with honour ?
I hae my own opinion on this and I appreciate yours whichever way you look at it !

@Peter Daly. Don’t assume that you know me, or indeed the type of individual that I am. But it seems assumptions are rife in your lengthy reply to my previous comment.

I’m minded of the old adage, play the ball not the man. You seem to resort to insult and ridicule to make your argument.

If I were to make assumptions based on your comment I would likely assume you’re a FG supporter/sympathiser blinded by party loyalty. But I don’t know you, so I won’t commit to such an assertion.

Peter, the fact is that I am a hard working individual. I pay my taxes. I have paid my Household Property Charge and all other taxes that are lawfully due. So that is one assumption you can park away.

Peter, I assume you’re in business as you refer to your customers. Tell me this. If I made an investment in your company and your company engaged in reckless business practices and your company subsequently became basically insolvent. Would you still expect that I should make a full return on my investment?

While you ponder that. I am not endorsing that we not honour our lawful sovereign debts. But I am seeking fairness. It is not fair that a small nation such as ours be forced to take on the debts of failed industry, and indeed the debts of other European banks that contributed to the EU banking crisis. We have been made a scapegoat.

Fairness is all I seek. And I ask that our Government seek write down of the banking debt created by private individuals, firms, banks and investors.

Dermot
My apologies for not coming back to you earlier but I was dealing with a business matter. Your attempt to link the behaviours of Companies with the manner in which the State just doesn’t wash with me and the decision about the consolidation of Banking debts into sovereign responsibility was democratically taken a long time ago and you should know that any write down of these sums will be seen by those outside the country as a default and the consequences on what I see as a fragile early recovery could just wither on the vine.
Your referral to me as a businessman is quite correct and interests lie in the Pharmaceutical field and inward investment in Ireland. I also fully support the current actions of the Government as they have worked hard in the past two years to restore our reputation abroad and recover our sovereignty. I do know Dermot that any slip up in the next few months could be catastrophic for us so we need to support the present Government as they must be under enormous pressure.

John
You misunderstand me. I never accused you of it paying your lawful debts but you do belong to those chattering classes who don’t believe that the current way that things are being done by those who have lawful responsibility to those things are doing them the right way from the perspective of fairness. Well they are so busy I guess they key get some of those things wrong but on the other hand they have done so much against all the odds you could not be but impressed with their achievements.
John lets give them support rather than harassing them and abusing them

Peter I never referred to you as a businessman, but anywho ; Short answer and no disrespect to you personally : Tell that to the Cypriots ; I’m sure they are delighted with this Government’s tenure as President of the E.U.
They got their devaluation and so will we ; It’s called evictions !
Just note further point I was told never to trust anyone who lies to me!
Again not referring to you but to the current political European System!

A perfect display of blind party loyalty and denial of the truth, why do you bother to argue with him Dermot? It’s obvious he is determined to remain delusional. Have you not noticed that these die-hard fg supporters do not let truth or reality get in the way of a good sermon?

On the other hand 74 % of people want to keep the euro indefinitely or else are happy with the status quo.

I don’t know if “gambling addition” was a Freudian Slip or on purpose, either way, brilliant way to describe it!!

No indigenous industries? Do you live in Ireland?

The Americans pay a lot of salaries here. Dollar hegemony will continue. I don’t know anybody who works in Ireland’s indigenous industries. Agricultural I presume.

Yes. Agriculture. 10% of all exports. Worth about 24bn a year. Employs about 7% of the workforce. Quite indigenous in my book. We’re not Greece ya know…

spot on o’reilly it has massive massive potential and even a smal investment would reach huge rewards

John Cash , potential for whom? I’m a farmer and I haven’t a notion of investing into a system that allows horsemeat directly destroy my income ! I’d rather be poor thank you very much than truck with that type of corruption !

The Irish do ,in fact,owe the money. Separate fact from emotion.

What money do “we” owe Rory?
Show me the money!!

@rory Conway – yes – the Irish banks and entepeneurs owe most of it – they should be ones paying it .

God. That line is do boring. So wrong. So embarrassingly naive. And so overused on the Journal. The representatives of the Irish people signed up to the debt. It’s done. Get over it. Move on.

why do you think the government didn’t appeal the Dunne ruling to the Supreme Court ? …………….. foreign agents wrapped in a tricolour is all the vast majority of T.D.’s are as far I am concerned in my opinion !

Oooooh. Jim Corr much?

@ Kevin Shaw .
If hitler [ a democratically elected man ] signed the death warrant of 6 million jews – was that ok . He was the elcted rep of the German people – just tell the Jews – get over it !!.
How many will die and suffer from this and previos govts corruption and obeying the Crimnals that run the planet .
Does it matter if eg someone kils one person or a thouasand [ apart from the 999]- —–
————should they go to jail ??

No. But it does lend culpability to the German people for his crimes. Which was my point. FF signed up to the debt (or more importantly allowed it to develop in the first place)…they were appointed by the people. So the people bear responsibility for the debt. As Germans bear a collective responsibility for the holocaust and paid a collective price for it.

Godwins law never fails…

Have a look at how hitler used propaganda to get people to think the way he wants them to.

Now add years of technology advances to that imagine what hitler could have done had if he had the technology available to our eu dictators.

And you think that’s ok Higgins… Oh i mean Kevin

@ Kevin Shaw : re Fianna Fail , whom I dislike intently, and the debt could you please remind me of the voting patterns of the Labour and Fine Gael Partys with regard to the bank bailout ? I’m nearly sure Fine Gael voted for the bailout and Labour abstained ; which means they didn’t vote against it ….but as I said I’m fairly sure not certain ….. by the way in typical Irishman style – do you have a vote in Ireland ?

Tell you what, Maurice. I’ll buy you a St. Patricks Day pint if you can in any way substantiate that Michael Noonan is crooked or corrupt. I don’t want to hear about a policy you didn’t like, a decision you don’t like or any mistakes you think he made. I would like to see your proof that he has engaged in any criminal activity ( as defined by Irish law, not you). If you can’t, you’re just another waffler and need to sit down and shut up. I’m waiting with bated breath. This should be good.

Builderberg meeting Kevin. I believe you owe maurice a pint.

So far 12 red thumbs from the FG traitor brigade. Not bad for a Saturday.

Dermot. We are going nowhere. And Europe is not breaking up. Wishful thinking on your part.

Mick; or wishful thinking on your part ……….. that’s democracy !

I don’t know of any referendum about leaving the EU. Do you? Nor is there any move by the Germans or the French to leave. So where you ate getting the idea that the EU is breaking up I don’t know.

Your profile picture ….I don’t like violence ………….. plus have a look at Euro news ……….. Italy with no govt. , spanish evictions illegal etc. ………..
only joking about the profile pic but – it is scary ! I t reminds me that the “E.U. war ministers” are meeting in Dublin on Friday !

And again where is the vote for us to leave the EU. And what has the Italian election and Spanish repossesions got to do with the EU breaking up? No potential governing party in Italy is even considering leaving the EU and neither is any in Spain.

@dermot- you don’t have a vote, do you?

@ Kevin …………….. yes I do , unless my name was removed from the irish register of electors ….what made you say that Kevin ?
Mick…. it’s gone beyond political partys ….. the people are leaving E. U. ……………..
just because there is no referendum today doesn’t mean it won’t happen by the end of the week or month ……….. look at how quick the I.M.F. came into ireland ….they may leave just as quick !

As I said. Wishful thinking.

Dermot is there any chance that you could lose the full stops (…). It makes your posts hard to read.

Sure! sorry Lee,
Mick a repeated argument is usually one learned by rote e.g. how you know the A.B.C. , not saying your’s is but it tends to indicate indoctrinated thinking ; another example is prayer !

Are you talking about your own argument?

It is you that is repeating the phrase “Wishful Thinking ” ; so no I’m referring to your argument – no need to thank me for the clarification to your confusion I’m glad to help !

Where have I heard that before.

Of far more concern is the agreement on Cyprus which sees the funds of depositors robbed to pay off bondholders in return for a bailout. Bad enough the precedent created by Noonan robbing pensions, now even deposits are not safe within the EU even where laws exist to say they are. Yet more barmy economics by the EU.

@o’reilly I think you may be a bit naive to think things are going to get better…this is just the start

The start of what Paul?

But its a fact Ryan? There’s like, actual evidence… Why always shit on everything?

No good news just different levels of bad news………

Richard. A lot of those depositors are Russians. Thats why the Russian Government has given 2 Billion so far and is in talks with Cyprus to lend more.

We shouldn’t of even had to borrow money.
So how is this good?

Leonard we borrowed the money to pay for the day to day running of the country…

It makes for cheaper borrowing so we can keep the lights on. And pay social welfare. And pay the PS/CS. Hospitals stay open. The little things…

A small section of society blow billions but the average working guy/gal should be delighted that we get longer to repay their debt.

I’m delighted can’t you tell!!!! Thanks Enda and Eamonn, you’ll see how grateful I am at the next local and national elections.

Conor & O”Reilly.
That’s what our “fine leaders and protectors said”
However they have been proven to be liars , who take their “advice” (orders) from more liars.

That’s nice…

Well they aren’t lying about the fact we spend more day to day than we take in….

Do you want welfare to be cut by about 30%?

O reilly is one them government gimps.. Took our jobs..

Correction they borrowed money because they spent what was supposed to be used for the day to day Spending on bailing out privately owned banks.

Tooka tooka tooka

Shoving the bailout debt on to the backs of our grandchildren is not progress it just adds more debt.

See my reply…