Exactly, it should but it doesn’t

I cant get my head around how the government are going to get a deal on the bank debt that they have fought tooth and nail to pay back every penny….. One those two is another Fianna Gaelabour Party lie… But which one will be crucial. Are kenny and co fighting for a debt deal or a job for themselves in the eu pig trough after their removal from office….

We only got the post because enda bent over for them..more to the point how dare that little cur have the tri colour removed from Dublin castle and hoist that insult of a eu flag in its place

To be fair, we got the post because it’s rotated.

The 27 countries are split into two groups – one of ‘big’ nations (any with a population larger than the Netherlands) and one of ‘small ones’. It’s rotated in alphabetical order, with two small countries and one big one.

The alphabetical order is determined by each country’s name in its own native language. The last president was Cyprus (‘Kypros’ in Greek); after us are Lithuania, Latvia and Luxembourg.

I love Europe I mean all the nice people love Ireland we need Austerity, it’s what we were meant for. Ireland loves suffering, we were built for it,more tax please in 2013 :)

What can we possibly achieve in six months? It seems more of a symbolic role than one with any real clout. Hope I’m wrong

I suppose I should be interested.To be honest I think I will wait for the box set to come out.

it doesn’t, &
it shouldn’t.

And Enda Kenny on the radio this morning saying we should treat all our visitors like V.I.Ps . What about me and mine.

You dont count Maura… They already raped you for every penny you have…. They want you as bait so they can rape your cousins, siblings and friends from abroad now…. I’ve sent word to every one I know abroad to keep away from this country for as long as possible… The 4 million people here supporting european banks is enough…

@charlie, prepare for weak rebuttal from the sycophantic lapdogs

Sheep more like…. Funny sheep too… They are getting sh*gged just as badly as the rest us but they still tow the party line…. Hard to believe how many educated stupid people we have in this country really.

So basically your telling people not to come spend money in this country because you dont like where the taxes spent go … Well sir when your jobless homeless and the counrty is in a worse state than it currently is we have the like of you. Making te bad situation worse. .. Congrats your adding to the damage … Kind of suits you least youll always have something to moan and be bitter about well done

Treat them like VIP’s… Ehhh will we hide the dole q’s and shut the newspapers up as well as the visitors pass and party in “Utopia”.
Don’t worry kenny ,we’ll banish all the people that are complaining and let the “VIP’s” think you and your decietful shower are liked.
Jeasus Christ how detached are they.

@Charlie have you ever watched Capitalism: A Love Story by Michael Moore? there is a priest talking about the power of propaganda, he points out how it persuades the victims of a corrupt system to uphold the the very thing that victimises them, this is blatantly obvious to anyone with the ability to think independently

Same old same old Charlie. Keep up the good work…

Have you not benifited from capitilism peasant no????

i have indeed Jay, i have absolute faith in enterprise and believe there is nowhere near enough being done to support local enterprise here, quite the opposite in fact, small business is taxed and regulated to bits here, my objection is to big business controlling government, which it does and its wrong, do you know why? ill spell it out for you then, big business controls government to one end only, to look out for its own interest i.e. to make as much money as possible from as many people with no regard to society

That old news big business generate huge job allocationa which generate huge taxes in wages thats been unfortunatly the way its been since long before our time .. All big businesses began as a small business so whats you answer when a business is getting big tax it down to a small business so we can controll its impact ?????

see theres your believer in propaganda, the truth is that small business in ireland generates vastly more tax income and supplies a lot more jobs than ‘big business’, also, not all big businesses start off small, unless you consider multi million capital investment as small, and no thats not my answer, my answer is to not allow a minority of rich elites and corporations to control government, i said nothing about taxing big businesses, i mentioned supporting small businesses, can you not read?

I like the idea of capitalism mainly because i feel if i was to work hard enough i could become as sucessful as possible and wealthy and theres plenty of storys to prove it. I just dont see why big business ad government sare where u always have the issues .. Im interested in knowing Whats your alternative?

like ive said twice, big business should not be allowed to interfere with government, whats so hard to understand about that? its an ethics issue, not an economic one, if you want to allow big business to do whatever it like regardless of the consequence, i guarantee you that your mid-atlantic ideal of the american dream would not save you from slavery

The more sucessfull they are the more they will have influence in the government thats the way it is i dont fully agree with it but that how it works governments need them and they need the governments. And if it generates alot of jobs in this country and keeps people off the dole so be it

so you agree with me then

Revolting, you’ve a lot of energy. How about you put some of it into improving your own situation and achieve a good life for you and yours? Better than fighting shadowy forces…

im doing a leaving cert in 1 year instead of 2, 6 honours subjects, got 5 a’s and a b in my xmas exams, is that improving enough for you?

Good for you. But why bother?

why do you bother getting up in the morning?

Revolting, just trying to understand your motives. You’re all doom and gloom on the one hand but would appear to have aspirations on the other. On another thread last week you said you weren’t working and had no intention either while this Gov were in power…I suppose its easier to bitch and moan and hide behind conspiracy shite than actually join the rest of us out here trying to turn things around…

Hahaha its hard for him to get a job when the fight against “THE MAN” is still going strong

you see o’reilly thats a typical response to a blinkered, right wing, fg supporter, i am planning on getting a degree and leaving because of people like you, i wont work in this country untill they stop repaying this false debt, it translates directly to theft and i will never support it, having worked for 20 years, and paying almost 400k in tax i am now reclaiming some of my contribution, i am not all doom and gloom and naturally anti-government, but i am a realist, and in this country we have never had a government with any intelligence since i was old enough to vote, we needed one in the last election, fg and labour had an amazing opportunity to show real leadership and deserve a place in history, instead we got the usual nest lining con-men with their blind sheep for followers

Stay for the welfare stary for the education then leave when you get what you want ….. Sounds like ur in it all for urself kind like everythjng you harp on about with whats wrong woth our current government … Would expect nothing less

maybe you missed the part where i paid almost 400k in tax jay, but then you arent the brightest spark are you? i spent 3 years looking for work before i went back to school, cant win with you people, i will leave after my education after paying for countless others, and with no qualms either

Do you want a medal for contributing to your country via taxes 400k in 20 years big deal theres plenty of people me included paying tax now and have no problem but unlike you im not in it for what i can get out of it so you sit in ur social housing on ur 188 quid a week and educate yourself for free and plan ur trip out of here while real people work to get the country back to a stable footing ..

how so? no jobs… 3 years looking for one, thanks for all your hard work :)

Revolting, not blinkered. In fact, I couldn’t give a damn what bogey corporation has what Gov in their pocket. I work hard, pay my way. Paying your way too actually. Best of luck with your education but I suspect the world is passing you by while you rail against the machine…

well you can pay the thieves all you want, more fool you, its not for me now, and by the way, i get €298 a week not €188, just thought id mention that in case you were feeling sorry for me

Wouldnt expect anything diff from you

and i suppose your education was free then? the building was heated by magic and the teachers didnt need to be paid, i had no opportunity for education past 14 so i deserve one as much as you or anyone else in this country

Ive no problem wit anyone being educated in this country i actually think more should be done to educated people further from the tax payers money But the like of you fights against the very system your scabbing from and im not claimin that people on the dole are scabbing but people like you certainly are

how am i different? i worked all my adult life until the economic collapse, havnt been able to find any work despite moving 3 times in my search, then i went back to school, how am i scabbing more than someone else? its the political system i abhor, not the welfare one, so if you are going to make an idiotic accusation like you usually do can you at least try and explain its relevance?

Both systems go hand in hand

as usual you fail to address the point jay, i suppose i should show a bit more sympathy, its not your fault…

Answer my question how can you be so critical of the government and the system when the very system that you have a problem with is the one feeding you ans housing you with your 298 per week while your being educated not to improve your life ere and contrabute back but to get out of here

ill answer your points when you answer mine jay, also if you cannot see the difference between a political and welfare system there’s no point in discussing current affairs with you as you clearly do not have the cerebral ability to do so

Mass national strike is required but don’t expect ICTU or their friends Lab to agree to that.

In fairness, the additional numbers of people in Ireland (the delegates are effectively business tourists) will boost tourism revenue and the hospitality industry to a certain extent. To what extent this offsets expenditure I do not know. But it is not entirely a one way street for either gains or losses to the net wealth of the country.

Una, you already know the answer to that!

Mike
Are you seriously suggesting that we provide no Garda escort for visiting EU Leaders? I thought recently you had lost the plot but now I am certain of it.

Ahh the Troll is awake.
As I said yesterday and judging from the red thumbs you accumilate “nobody really gives a bit of slurry what you think “.
Have you not got ” I support kennys lies” banners to make .

Why is he a troll? Because his opinion differs toy yours and he asked you a question? Do you know what a troll is?

Morgan,I know well what a troll is and he/she fits the discription only too well.
The poster likes nothing better than stalking and bullying and indeed making snide fun of people behing a false identity (just one of many)
I have no objection in a person having differing views,in fact I welcome them and try understand their views.
In fact I am the first to eat humble pie and apologise if I am wrong or unwittingly offend.
This stalker trolls every thread that may contain any refrences to his “glorious leader”.
I hope my reply is accepted in the manner it is intended and that is friendly and courtious.

Yeah, ‘Stability, Growth, & Jobs’ but where?… He didn’t say where!! I doubt any of that will be CLOSE to these shores.

Peter
Sometimes people have a dream like state even when they’re awake and this can be a result of illness or drugs. This may be why you keep hearing The Taoiseach saying , over and over in your mind , those words……” not another cent “.
Just to try and help you could I advise that this voice you keep hearing is not real. In fact Peter its completely imagined. Does that help. Look, let me try harder. Those word you keep hearing were never uttered by Mr Kenny at any time in the past. Someone else said it during a TV interview and he confirmed after that this was only a personal opinion and not Party Policy.
I hope that helps with your voices issue.

two things kenny did say paddy/michael collin/rodgers
‘it is immoral to tax a persons home’
‘a nation cannot tax its way out of recession’
self obsession its a terrible auld disease

Poor Michael still trying to defend an inept, lying, self serving gombeen gravy train government. How’s that new job working out for you? Kenny say he’ll sort you out for a big boys job in Europe. Your posts are so very tiresome. I only hope Kenny and Gilmore have patients for you.

Enda Kenny didn’t make any such quote so I’m not sure how it can be ringing in your ears.

The statement is attributed to Leo Varadkar. And actually the statement is constantly misquoted by anti-government people to suit their agenda. The policy was the no more money would be paid BEYOND THAT ALREADY AGREED UNDER THE BAILOUT TERMS. To do anything else was to default on our debt and that was not Fine Gael policy at the last election.

And by the way that is exactly what has happened. NO MORE MONEY HAS BEEN PAID BEYOND WHAT WAS ALREADY AGREED. Of course most people don’t want to accept that or even hear that and I’m sure I’ll get plenty of red thumbs here (not that I care) for stating it but the facts are the facts no matter how much you try to twist them.

Oh, grow up would you with your Nazi references. There are plenty of arguments that you can use to express your opposition without resorting to this lazy one.

It’s costing us €66 million for the privilege. That money wasted could have restored the carers respite grant and made child benefit cuts far less severe. It’s typical of the right wing bastards that run this place, in that they’d rather spend our money on fancy hotels and big receptions, when ordinary decent people are struggling to survive.

Let’s never do anything again Rodrigo. Let’s sit on our arses till it all passes…

If that’s the case our government should have said “thanks but no thanks we would rather send the money on our people” that would have been the good European thing to do. But jobs for the lads in Europe later are calling.

Exactly and for that reason it was a success! Whether we like it of not, in the entire history of Europe, there has never been a time of peace that has lasted this long. And as a direct result, while in the current climate it mightn’t feel like it but there has never been a time of such prosperity.

Doing what they do best? You can say that about every European country. Have you read any European history beyond the last 100 years? Nearly every country in Europe was at each others throats throughout history some wars were big some were small, and some countries like Italy and Ireland were once made up of smaller territories which fought each other. The 55 years after the Napolionic wars was the longest period Europe went without a war before now.

I really don’t think we can equate any previous wars to what happened in ww1 and ww2. If the whole aim of Europe was to never see a war like what was witnessed in ww1/2 and to provide peace and stability on the continent, then it can’t be argued, it was a success. All I know is that as lord Mountbatten said “if the Third World War is fought with nuclear weapons, the fourth will be fought with bows and arrows”. I am happy to support Europe if it stops another world war

And how will you replace the credit that the ECB are currently providing our banks and which is about the only thing keeping them afloat? Or do you just expect them to continue to do so even after we leave?

Jim,
Re issue the old pre decimal currency with 240 pence in the pound.swiss locked their currency at 1.20 against all world so it can’t be attacked by speculators and the Swiss are running out of deposit boxes to handle the influx of money. We can’t we be the same with control of our fishing oil and gas reserves all nationalised.

+1

lold

Imperialism in Europe gave “us” two World Wars.
Antisemitism along the rise of Nazism and Fascism gave us the holocaust.

Blaming Germany for starting World War I is definitely the most eyebrow raising comment so far in 2013!!
What we could learn from WWI though is the punitive damages placed on Germany, and what that lead to.
There’s an argument that our leaders should be constantly fighting on our behalf for a fairer deal that doesn’t cripple us long term. I’m not hopeful though.

And Godwin’s Law is still in effect.

Can we not debate the issues without calling each other Nazis? Merkel and co. are not, repeat not, Neo-Nazis. You may disagree with them but it does not make them Nazis. It diminishes the force of your argument when you bandy around words as if they have no meaning.

I hate accusations of racism, as I am sure that you did not mean your comment to be interpreted this way. But if I was a German I would be deeply insulted at the casual implication that German politicians can be referred to as Neo-Nazis in an ad-hoc fashion.

I’m not saying that your underlying point is invalid. I don’t agree with all the aspects of it but its certainly worth debating. But please try and express the argument in a way that respects other people and does justice to your own ideas.

Happy New Year

People are just so annoyed at the complacency and deciept shown by our “so called” leaders and the constant beating down of “difficult decisions” made by people that earn wages that most of us couldn’t even imagine.
People (myself included) are hitting out at anything in desperate hope of finding a soft spot that will inflict some pain and let these smug,self serving leeches see that we are mortally wounded.
We say things out of character and use it as a scatter approach.

David,
Maybe people feel with FG have become the financial version of the neo nazi’s financial Germanic purity division aka Frankfurt’s Gestapo.FG in place the neo nazi’s are back with financial tools to control Europe to suit a germanic financial purity paradigm.

I can see the headlines .
Kenny sinks Europe .

Julie
It’s one six months pet.

it cant be

EU rules state that the country hosting the presidency is not allowed to push their own national agenda. So in other words by hosting it any potential deal on bank debt is going to be delayed by 6 months. That means an unnecessary 6 extra months of cuts in the health service. Therefore hosting this farce is not in Ireland’s national interest, we should have just passed the ball to the next country and got on with negotiating a bank debt deal. The whole thing is a farce because we all now know that the EU is not a democracy- Germany and France rule the roost and the rest of us have to tow the line.

We are hosting it so Kenny and his ilk can schmooze a bunch of European technocrats in the hope of being picked for some plum EU job. Enda Kenny is not acting in the interests of the Irish people, nothing new there- he never has since he became Taoiseach. A joke of a puny man.

We’re hosting it because its our turn to host it and not because of anything else. And while it can’t be used directly to influence things it does have a bearing in agenda setting and prioritising.

I’m not saying that this will help a deal of bank debt but it does increase the profile of the country at a critical time. That’s why I voted “A Little”.

if only ‘we’ were looking for said deal

I doubt it will even be on the cards Paul. Nice sentiment though and sure who knows.
Maybe I will get a chance to eat humble pie.

No chance.

Another ragbag of right wing cliches. I am surprised you did not mention the Grabbing (sorry, Gathering) as well.

Were you one of those who told us that the visit of Queen Elizabeth would boost British tourist numbers? It did not.

Hot air is no substitute for reality!

oh yes! because all this exposure from our jet setting, self congratulating ‘leaders’ has led to massive investment from abroad and has created thousands of jobs, oh wait… thats for the opportunity for my ‘populist sound bite’, when you come back to reality we can talk

Sad, really. Oportunity passed you by so you’ll bitch at the injustice of it all…

hahahaha sad, good one, if only you werent paying my way :)

The Irish are demonstrating their ability all across Europe, most travel there for work as Ireland fails to provide the basics, is that the type of ability you’re referring to? We will be on the European ‘stage’ in a very minor way, I mean who held the presidency last time round? I honestly couldn’t tell you and honestly couldn’t care either, it matters not, so any exposure will be minimal at best. It will not be good for business.

Revolting, the fact that you’re getting 300 euro a week while the respite grant is cut is sadder…