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Muslims protest outside US embassy in London

Muslim pressure group Hizb ut-Tahrir, who campaign for an Islamic state with sharia law, protest outside the US embassy in Grosvenor Square, London.

HUNDREDS OF PROTESTERS gathered outside the United States embassy in London on Sunday to protest an anti-Islam film that has caused outrage throughout the Muslim world.

Around 300 men and women joined in the protest, waving placards and chanting slogans outside the embassy building in central London, an AFP photographer reported.

Demonstrators chanted “Allahu Akbar” (God is greatest) and waved placards reading “USA dead” at the demonstration against the film, which has sparked sometimes violent protests in Muslim countries.

Furious protests targeting symbols of US influence have flared in cities such as Cairo in retaliation for the crude film made in the United States by a right-wing Christian group that ridicules the Prophet Mohammed.

In the worst incident of violence, the US ambassador to Libya, Chris Stevens, and three other Americans died when suspected Islamic militants fired rocket-propelled grenades at the US consulate in the eastern city of Benghazi.

Muslim group protest over film

Muslim pressure group Hizb ut-Tahrir, who campaign for an Islamic state with sharia law, protest outside the US embassy in Grosvenor Square, London, over a film mocking the prophet Muhammad. Image: John Stillwell/PA Wire/Press Association Images

Meanwhile, Canada has closed its embassies in Cairo, Tripoli and Khartoum today as a safety precaution for staff.

“We take the safety of our personnel and our missions overseas very seriously,” Foreign Ministry official Rick Roth told AFP.

- © AFP, 2012

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  • Barry 16/09/12 #

    I’m curious,

    If this group think it’s wrong that America is in Muslim lands, why are they then in non Muslim lands?

    Now personally I don’t give a monkeys that they are in the UK or Ireland or where ever as long as they obey the laws,

    I just find their signs somewhat ironic

    • Down with this sort of thing
      Careful now

    • You beat me to it Barry. Reverse the roles and they would be the first to cry racism and discrimination…

    • You have to laugh don’t you, Middle Easterns in Western countries telling the West to get out of the Middle East. Huh? And when things went belly up in their countries, who did they want to come and sort things out for them? The “Great Satan” themselves, America.
      These folks want Sharia Law imposed on the entire world, for it to be illegal to make any satirical comments about Muhammad or Allah. This is their religon, not mine, I have none. Why do they always say “peace be upon him” but then impose violence upon everyone who disagrees with them? A nasty religon.

    • Correct Barry & Rusty Balls ( great name, btw ). Honestly – these people really need a good reality check & need to grow up. They have no problems being disrespectful towards other religions. But, dare to slag or criticise Islam ? Boy – do we hear about it. Grow up.

    • Saw this online today – “If u need to prove your faith by killing those who make fun of your faith & morals, then u have no true faith & morals”.

    • Barry
      My question would be the meaning of Muslim lands. That simple and ignorant declaration is horrendous in its implications!

    • Hypocrisy comes to mind….if you hate us please feel free to head to more welcoming climes

    • Well said Barry,irony is laughable if it weren’t so painfully sad and true.

    • Funny that! I was just thinking the same but our laws dont apply to them ? Do they, u cant tell them what to do u will get killed if u do, but hey its ok for them to make death treaths but if i done that id be off to prison

  • Ah .. so it’s Muslim “lands” – I presume they mean Afghanistan and Iraq. What about the Christians, Jews, Hindus and Atheists who live there? It’s not their land then?

    • Barry 16/09/12 #

      Didn’t afphanistan have those giant Buddha statues that are hundreds or is it thousands of years old?

      Clearly this is proof that a non Muslim religion prospered in the region before hand, would this not mean that the Muslim religion is technically in a non Muslim land also? :-)

    • Islam is a relatively young religion only dating from the 6th Century AD. In most places we regard now as Islamic, Islam only became widespread a few 100 years ago. Describing anywhere as “Muslim Lands” is really quite silly. I don’t understand what problem they have with the Liberal Democratic states that allows them to peacefully practice their expression of Freedom of Speech. Which you would be able to do under Sharia Law which is a barbaric medieval concept

    • …you 37 thumbers …. clearly have that ” Irish Atlas” with “afphanistan” in it …. an all an all Hahaahaaahaa!…. you lovely people

    • Ireland will soon be their land by the numbers coming

    • You are right there Michael, but the naive paddys welcome everyone with open arms

    • This picture was in front of Sunday Times.

  • Annie 16/09/12 #

    Agreed Barry. And the sharia law they are calling for is inhumane

  • Just for a bit of balance all Muslims do not seem to be taking this stance. This stoking up fear and anger between different religions/communities seems to be on the rise. http://imgur.com/a/tlCyI

  • These protesters are in London ffs. They are enjoying all that western society has to offer. Why don’t they go back to Muslim land…

  • mike 16/09/12 #

    If they hate western society so much why did they move there.

  • The irony of Muslims living in the west telling some westerns ie the americans to get out of their lands!

    • exactly my thoughts

    • exactly my thoughts. if they hate western style of live, in back to your countries.

    • The muslims are in the west because the USA and British are bombing their countries for oil. Cop yourselves on.

    • Richard, that is simply not true. I would say that the majority are in the west because they are looking for a better life or could be considered political refugees after fleeing persecution or the risk of in their own lands. How do you explain the Syrian, Iraqi, Iranian, palistinian etc communities in the USA. Their population number in the hundreds of thousands.

    • @Richard The richest of the “Muslim Lands”, Saudi Arabia is an ally of the USA and British, unless I missed something when was it bombed. Muslims who immigrate into Western countries do so for the same reasons as everyone else, economics. Their own countries may have plenty of oil but they usually have corrupt governments too who don’t like democracy and allowing their people to have certain freedoms.
      Oh they enjoy having all those in the West, the freedom to do as they wish, to protest as they wish, and they certainly take every advantage of our freedoms, but they would not be available in their own countries.

    • It was the Muslims who started it back on Sept 11th 2001.

      No Americans were on their lands then.

  • I agree with you Barry. Like yourself I have no problem with people going to live in what ever country they want as long as they respect the culture and laws when they get there. But to stand in some else’s country and demand your home country be kept only for your people I think is a bit off.

  • em…. Muslims get off European lands.

  • As you said ignorance breeds hatred and I agree with this statement. Don’t you think it is totally ignorant to say Islam is a religion of peace ? Don’t you think it is ignorant to want to introduce sharia law into our society? Don’t you think it is ignorant to treat women like possessions or cattle? Don’t you think it is a tad ignorant to cut the clitoris off girls to deny them any kind of sexual pleasure in the future?
    I do not want anybody’s imaginary friend telling me what to do or influencing the kind of society in which I live, we in this country have had enough of that crap in the form of the Catholic Church. People are good,religion is poison, its the religion that keeps people ignorant and not that people are ignorant about religion. Do yourself a favor and return to reality.

    • Excellent & well put.

    • Joe it is a great comment. Agree all the way.

    • I have never heard anyone calling for sharia law in Ireland.correct me if I’m wrong.i don’t treat my wife like a cow.i have a daughter I never had female circumcision done to her.i don’t believe in sharia law as all my friends don’t so I think It’s a little unfair to say all Muslims want it joe.

    • 37 percent of Irish Muslims would like Ireland to be governed as an Islamic state. Though 50 percent said they would not. The majority (57 percent) of young Irish Muslims (under 26) believe Ireland should become an Islamic State. 36 percent of Irish Muslims said they “respect” Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. 15 percent said they “respect” Osama Bin Laden. 11 percent said they “respect” Mullah Omar. The Irish people that convert to Islam; do not represent Islam. Only 3% of Irish people convert to Islam. They are not from the Middle East and have not experienced Islamofascism; so for them Radical-Islam is something they don’t want to understand or are in denial of. I’m sure you are a great guy Edward and fully condemn the violence/intolerance (I am not being sarcastic). But for non-Muslims in Islamic countries the idea that Islam is a “religion of peace” is absurd and offensive to them.

    • Edward that is exactly what is being called for, the Vatican has called for new blasphemy laws to protect Muslims, Muslims themselves have petitioned the UN to introduce such laws. The maker of the movie which provoked these protests has been arrested for probation violations, the Obama Administration have asked Google to remove the movie trailer from YouTube, who refused on the grounds of free speech. We live in a society where free speech is a basic freedom, right? I’ll give you an example. Last month in the UK an ex soldier was jailed for 4 months for tying a pigs head to a mosque and spraying racist graffiti on its wall, in his defense he said he was outraged to see an extremist Muslim group, Muslims Against Crusades, burn poppies and chant ‘British soldiers burn in hell’. Emdadur Choudhury was fined just £50, the 26 year old said: ‘I don’t have any respect for British soldiers, and if they lose a limb or two in Afghanistan then they deserve it.’ A little one sided don’t you think?

  • People can spout all their anti-American propaganda as much as they want. But one thing is for sure America is the best country in the world for what it provides to those persecuted, discriminated, and those who face genocide. My father is Pakistani went first to Australia to study the first thing said to him at the Sydney airport was “not another Mother-F*ucking Indian.” In Ireland he was told “that you don’t belong here.” “you’ll have a hard time finding a job if you’re not Irish.” My Irish mother was told to divorce my father by some government lady because “mixed marriages, don’t work.” We then moved to America; it offered us equality, tolerance, employment, great friends, and a great life. My father also left Pakistan because it is one of the most corrupt, intolerant, Islamic fundamentalist countries in the world along with all the other Middle Eastern countries. My mother visited Pakistan they had problems that she wasn’t a convert to Islam and that she is from the West. The first thing said to her on arrival to Karachi Airport “is she a converted?”. She wasn’t allowed to allow leave the country unless my father’s family paid bribes to the government. All of this happened in the late 80s/early 90s. America is the only country that ever we have felt was really home and accepted us. God Bless America. Love Ireland, America, and all Democracies.

    • Its not about countries. The people that are behind this don’t care about Americans, Europeans, Asians, white, black, it doesn’t matter as long as they achieve their agenda.

    • Their Foreign policy stinks the EMPIRE mentality is causing alot of death and misery around the world not the U.S Governments world they dont own it not yet anyway.

    • I agree Derek. What worries me is that this Islamist movement is growing very fast; the use of social media has helped them brainwash many Muslims that are not even radical. US foreign polices/aid have been nothing but a disaster in the Middle East; everything has been dealt with very unrealistically. The Arab Uprising countries aren’t sending good messages at all; they are overwhelming voting for extremists. Ex: The Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt.

    • Jack stop blaming the US for Islamic Extremism. I don’t agree with many of US foreign polices in the Middle East; but this is all about a video. What does Denmark have to do with the Middle East? When their embassies were bombed over a cartoon? Nothing.

    • Kevin obviously there is and always will be extremism Christians Muslims Jews they all have extremist factions .All im saying is the majority of muslims are peaceful people but they seem to becoming more and more volatile and its not because of a stupid video its because they are in fear of US foreign policy and this video just pushed them over the edge and not all but only a minority considering there is1.6 billion muslims in the world a Government from halfway across the world is directly involved in the invasion and overthrowing of regimes that do not agree or want no part of US empire building. If the people of the United States knew half the crap their government were puling in their name they would be sickened .Their is no logic in US forces been in the middle east and if their is why dont they just say the Banks ran by Zionist Jews are pushing for complete control of the middle east and anyone that gets in their way is going to be invaded and their country will be thrown in turmoil just like Afghanistan Iraq Lybia Syria .Its crazy and who suffers only the innocent.

    • Seriously, Jack? Every country has interests; if you’re so against Europe/America getting oil, then don’t drive a car, have heat in your house, or anything that requires oil. Please name one country that doesn’t have its flaws or interests? Why are you bringing Jews into this? Why are you comparing Christian fundamentalists with radical-Muslims? The only threat Christian fundamentalists pose is lowering their children’s IQ’s and Pat Robertson irritating us with his stupid 700 Club show and milkshake line. There is no reason for America to be in Iraq, yes that was wrong. But they have every right to be in Afghanistan/Pakistan; 9/11? “All im saying is the majority of muslims are peaceful people.” Sorry but I have a problem with that statement, have you lived in the Middle East? It was interesting one poll done in Jordan over 85% of Jordanian people believe Muslims who leave Islam should be executed. The “moderate” Muslims in Jordan said life in jail would be more appropriate. Most Muslims who immigrate to the West are the moderates, but at the same time there is a large radical-Muslim minority. Please don’t tell me how tolerant Islam is; my father comes from Pakistan/Middle East, we have seen how tolerant it truly is. Honestly what does any of this have to do with the violence, happening now? You are just trying to shift the blame on the US and justify the violence. I’m not going to discuss this any further, since it so ridiculous/absurd. You have a nice day.

    • Kevin your going to defend the U.S why would’nt you.US cant wipe out people for oil man its wrong just buy the thing problem sorted.

    • This article isn’t about Iraq or whatever. It is about a “Muslim pressure group Hizb ut-Tahrir, who campaign for an Islamic state with sharia law, protest outside the US embassy in Grosvenor Square, London, over a film mocking the prophet Muhammad.” WHAT DON’T YOU GET? People have a right to disagree with Islam (even by making an offensive video) and not be killed, hanged, tortured, mutilated or have their family murdered. Why can’t you just condemn the terror without blaming United States? What did Denmark do to deserve all the terror that was brought against them in the past, over the cartoons? You keep dodging the essential questions. This really is just sick. The US is not wiping out people? WTF. That’s if you are counting terrorists. Your one of those people when 9/11 happened blamed the US; I’m most sure of that. Fine be anti-America but don’t defend terrorism; that is what you are doing. You and you’re selective condemnation of certain nations. What about China and Russia in Africa for oil? Where’s the outrage over all the rhetoric/threats coming from the Islamic Republic of Iran? Why am I even responding, you see nothing wrong with what you say at all.

    • Im one of those people that dont like superpowers and imperialists invading peoples countries occupying them taking what they like and pissing off leaving the country in ruins ..Just in case you forget we had the British in ours on and off or 700 yrs same colour nearly the same religion they just anted to rule us with no justification just to rule and strip the land same scenario here .Yes they should’nt burn embassys of course but the bigger picture is they do not want US involvement in their business the US has enough problems on home soil they should concentrate on themselves and leave Arab lands alone.Anyway life goes on and a bid a good day to you.

    • Oh you’re against superpowers? So you think by America no longer being a superpower, that another superpower won’t come along or replace it? Would you rather Iran, China, or Russia be in control? There will always be a superpower. Where do you suggest we get oil from? Tibet? Antarctica? Atlantis? Every nation uses oil and America didn’t invade Saudi Arabia (which is another piece of crap the Saudi Royal Family) to get oil; they are allowed. Though like I said the invasion of Iraq was wrong. America is not the only nation that uses oil from the Middle East. Seriously don’t compare the Irish struggle for independence/freedom with Islamic Jihad/Terror. Last time I checked there was one Irish flag (the Arab nations all share a common flag, The Islamic Arab Empire? Reminds me of the British Empire), and Ireland doesn’t have Sharia Law. Also Irish Catholics/Protestants aren’t actively hijacking planes, bombing buildings, beheading people, mutilating people, stoning people to death, killing gays/lesbians, killing prostitutes, killing adulterers, slitting people’s throats or killing non-believers in 2012; and they don’t want to take-over the world. Great analogy, I can see the similarities? Yeah thanks, I will have a good day and hopefully life will go on without anymore terror over a YouTube video.

    • Iraq was wrong you say..shock and awe kev remember that over a million kev big mistake haven’t seen any muslim blow the shit out of over a million people.

    • Your against America’s so-called “imperialism” but ok with Islamic Imperialism, WOW. America pays for the oil it gets and sells it; though the ways they get it sometimes are not the most ethical, which is known to most people. This article is not about America and oil; all you have done is hijacked it for your own hatred and justifications of Islamic Imperialism. What’s clear is that you are extremely mad by the fact that so many Irish people are condemning Islamic terrorism and defending America in this situation. It’s really pathetic/sick that you spew your anti-American propaganda on articles which are condemning violence/murders against Americans. We’ll just have to agree to disagree.

    • @kevin . You keep telling everyone that can keep spouting there antiamerican propaganda , that you were raised there that it’s the most tolerant country on earth . Well if u were raised there u must be instilled with the good values and tolerance you speak of , yet every post you write and you have been posting on all stories relating to this video ,all you do is say how bad Muslims are how they all want to kill the infidels and cut there heads off etc etc . Where sir is your tolerance , this great tolerance and good will you speak of cos from your posts I’ve yet to see it

    • Mr. Byrne you’re comments on other articles don’t depict tolerance and are one-sided; and have been shown to be unpopular. Of course in your mind the reason is that everyone is brainwashed/stupid who do not share your opinions. Don’t talk to me about “tolerance”; I have cousins who are Muslim and I make distinctions between radical-Muslims and moderate-Muslims. But don’t expect me to be tolerant of a religion that never game me any tolerance or the people it slaughters in Islamic countries. A former-Muslim woman made a very smart quote “tolerance of such intolerance, is intolerant itself”. I dont generalize, whatever I state about Islamic countries and their people is true. Have you lived in a Middle Eastern country? No. You are intolerant, why would I care what you label to be “intolerant”? It’s like how Ahdmanjad lectured Ireland about tolerance towards Muslims. Last time I checked Muslims were not persecuted/executed in Ireland. Iran and Christians, Jews, etc? Woah, talk about “tolerance” more like extermination. I think I’ll pass on your so-called “tolerance” lessons. But thanks anyway.

    • Jack, Kevin is on the right track here and btw the US did not kill a million Iraqis. That’s a effing lie!!

  • “America get out of these Muslim Lands”, I have an atlas in front of me, hold on for a minute I’ll just look up “Muslim Lands”. I seem to be missing a page or two.

  • Jack Daniels – please google the history of Islamic imperialism and see what you think about that! Edward Carr please read Ibn Warriq’s book, ‘Why I am not a Muslim’ to learn the truth about Islam and the teachings of the Koran. I am amazed at how naive and uneducated people are about this issue. I would love nothing more than to say that Islam is a tolerant religion of peace, however based on what I have read, this just is not the case. The evidence is there in the Koran, all of those who don’t submit to Allah are infidel unbelievers who should be beheaded (hence the signs we saw in Australia), one of Mohammed’s wives was a 9 year old girl Aisha (and so explains the shockingly low ages at which girls are married off in the middle east), women are lesser than men (their testimony is only worth a fraction of that of a man in a court of law) and the ‘tolerance’ that was extended to Christians and Jews in Islamic states was one of a subordinate “dhimmi” status (dhimmis had to pay extra taxes). I could go on but I hope I have made my point.

    • I have read the Quran and several books on Islam I know there is some bad teachings but is there not in most religions?

    • Yes all religions are oppressive and have some real barbaric laws and customs, some more than others. What exactly is your point? Do you think that ignorance and superstition can justify savagery, just because it falls under the guise of religion?

    • Exactly. Most religions spout this vile nonsense. The bible is full of it too, which is why separation of religion from state governance is for the better, in ALL cases.

    • ….as you say “based on what you have read” then it must be very one sided writing…possibly…do you think…is it worth considering….hmmmmm!?

  • And yet they find it utterly fine to make fun of, persecute or racially belittle Christians, Jews, Blacks, Asians, Isreal, The US and so forth.

    But the second one dares to do the same to them, not matter how serious, or slight the breach, they act like blood thirsty savages at the slightest provocations.

    While the powers that be in Western countries are too busy playing appologists to a people who, by and large, consider us to be nothing more than 3rd class people to be used as slaves, to be killed outright for not folloeing Islam, and wish to impose Sharia Law which is 100% incompatable with the laws, rights and freedoms of Western society.

    • Well said, Dean.

    • I agree with your first point, but with regards the inherent elitism of Islam, I feel that it’s only fair to point out that this exists in both Christianity and Judaism – before the Infidel was the Pagan, and before that there was the Goy. The Bible isn’t exactly all love and light, but that’s the impression we are given, by the followers who focus upon those parts and skim over the bloody bits.

      By the same token, there has to be many Muslims who see their faith in the same way, so as much as I reckon these protests are too much, it’s unfair to insinuate that only this religion is this violent – because that is something that they all have in common.

  • What are Muslim lands?

  • Leaving out all the US v Islam and who’s right and who’s wrong. I can’t get me head around these guys and their mad blinkered beliefs. I can’t grasp how many can be so so violently mad for their beliefs – there seems to hundreds of thousands of them.

    Is it more than religion? What if Christianity or some other faith had took hold instead of Islam? Would we have a million mad Christian marching? Of course not all Muslims react this way and many have apologised but if it is more than being religious……

    • I take it you haven’t seen Jesus Camp?

      Sadly if you actually look at what’s written in the books, besides all the popular lovey dovey quotes that we tend to hear so often about unconditional love and all that, there’s also genocide, elitism, bigotry, and frequent calls for gruesome deaths to those who do not believe as you do (there were the goyim and the pagans before the infidels)

      It’s all about the people reading it. Some see it as a metaphor, but live mostly in the real world. They realise that the bible isn’t fact and are generally decent people – this applies to Jews, Christians and Muslims alike.
      Then you get the ones who have been so badly brainwashed that they reckon it’s all historical fact. These types are scary because a) those books are pretty gruesome and vengeful, and b) they believe in the whole return of the messiah and end of days malarkey which they seem to be aching for to validate their beliefs..

      It is quite scary to believe that at this stage in evolution there are those who believe that the bible is fact.

  • Whoever was behind this video got exactly the reaction they wanted from both sides. Its not about us v them, its about divide and conquer. Its also been reported that most of these are being paid to turn up at these embassies. Its doesn’t reflect the muslim religion. Its a big game all relating to the bigger picture in the middle east and to undermine Obama in the forthcoming election. The global warmongers are sharpening their knives.

  • Isn’t multi-generational brainwashing great? All based on supernatural spacemen on flying horses and virgins but I suppose if it wasn’t this it would be something just as bad, people seemed to need to believe in some crazy s…t to cope with their day to day lives.

  • Mohamed Jesus. and all the other leaders are a load of chancers leading a load of idiots up the garden path.
    The Muslim brain has not developed fully yet.

  • Coming Soon To Ireland no doubt, don’t tell Shatter though, he is still holding welcome ceremonies for them.

  • This video was made for one reason only , to provoke the response it has received . Sure we all know it’s a ridiculous response but never the less this was exactly what was expected by the maker .

    • As I just said above, he couldn’t have paid for a better marketing campaign..
      Had it not been for the response, I never would have known it existed..

    • As I just said above, he couldn’t have paid for a better marketing campaign..
      Had it not been for the response, I never would have known it existed..

  • Denise , I resent that ! I my self am first generation Scottish/Irish American with very strong ties to the motherland. I love my America as my home and I love Ireland for my CeItic heritage. It is people like you that are part of the problem. Rather than recognize a direct and straightforward hatred for western culture, you defend the very same people who’d have you and your countrymen annihilated. Bare in mind this is (Supposably) over some silly youtube video that no one paid any attention to anyway. In my opinion it was just an excuse to lash out. This sort of behavior (SHOULD NOT) be tolerated. This is not a peaceful religion (Obviously). It’s not just a handful of them, this is Thousands of them in all different countries. WAKE UP ! Learn to stand by your own people and not against them. America was found on the hard work and blood of English and Irish immigrants. SHAME ON YOU.

    • Thank you, Jade! It’s pretty clear all of the journal.ie members didn’t like her comment lol. People like her only target America; for some reason they never get outraged by Middle Eastern countries, Russia, China, Iran, etc. and their human rights issues. The pictures state those Muslims protesting in London want an Islamic state and Sharia Law implemented. Polls in Ireland also showed over half of young Irish Muslims wanted Ireland to be an Islamic state with Sharia Law. I don’t care if they are offended; they don’t have respect for Western Liberal Democracies and want to force us into an Islamic state.

    • ….yes the blood of innocent natives…”How the West Was Won” …merely continues into the east…

    • The overwhelmingly majority of deaths are caused by Islamic terrorists. But you have family who lives there, so you would know of course.

    • This is most definitely not a peaceful religion jade…..look at all the horrors and hatred committed in it’s name and the countless loonies who have a fanatical and scary devotion to it

  • Unfortunately so much ignorance on both sides , thanks to media s stereotyping and reporting incidents with no facts . there is a history to what is going on here. People need to read objective history of middle east and how it has been divided and conquered.

  • Seriously TheJournal? Soon enough we will be able to post a comments that only fall into your liking. This is disgrace. 2 comments I have made in here and both were deleted!! Why exactly did that happen? What the hell are yous doing? Who’s interest are yous protecting. Great news room great articles but God knows yous are bunch Of hypocrites. There is option on your side not to allow any comments, so of if you want to delete them, than just opt for option of not putting them on this.

    • Religion is not making these nuts do anything they change things to suit themselves they do not represent Islam.

    • Edward, they ARE representing islam. If they’re not, then official “islam” should get pro-active in making a counter-protest. The best we’re getting on that score is a bit of lip-service here and there.

  • …….yes…..Richard …..we………do……..hahah…..ha…….!…….&……..@………4……..9…….6……..z

  • Hardly free maralyn

  • Seriously did nobody in their merry group not see the moronic irony of their demands!!

  • 300 is a large minority? And it also seems to have passed off peacefully. That’s called exercising freedom of speech, something people here seem to be so proud of

    Kevin, there’s a lot of comments on here which say if they don’t want Americans in their country they shouldn’t be in a western country.

    Take off you star-spangled blinkers

    • They have every right to protest that we need to be all ruled by Islamic/Sharia law and if we don’t then we can be beheaded. Also that we have no right to insult a peodophille prophet. But if they hate the West then why are they here? And no they don’t have a right to implement Sharia law over us. 300? Have you turned on the TV?

    • You’re an idiot if you think any western country is going accept sharia law… You sound just as brainwashed as any religious nutter. I’ll also have a stab and say you overcompensate for having a Pakistani father, and Islamic connection, by denouncing Muslims everywhere and stoking up the hatred against them. I also don’t believe in any god, but I’ll wear my birth name with pride…. You’re full of sh*t and as soon as your American friends hear about your Pakistani links they probably take a moment… Which is probably when you start denouncing Islam and Mohammed the molester just to reassure them. Pathetic.

    • WTF did I ever say any Western country would? Clearly you can’t read. As for the Pakistani; it’s not a race, it’s a nationality. When people ask me what I am; I’m more than happy/proud to state my heritage. I have no reason to tell people that I am not Muslim; it’s none of their business. I don’t need to reassure morons what I’m not or what I am; because I am proud of my heritage. There are millions of Pakistanis that are not Muslim; I don’t over compensate anything. Your mad that I tell the truth and are trying to make me out as someone with a complex. I am very proud of my Pakistani/Irish heritage it makes me who I am! Good try, lol. Pretty cheap shot.

    • People are not born Muslim or are genetically Muslim. Your an idiot; for bringing race up.

    • Lol not supporting, condemning, and actually acknowledging there is a radical-Islam problem; is all about being ashamed and having an identity crisis. Your thinking is so tribal like. You basically support Islamism because your more concerned about betraying Islam but your an “Atheist”, interesting. I am Pashtun/Punjabi by blood not Muslim. Pashtun people reject the idea that a Pashtun person can not be Muslim; if your not Muslim your executed as a traitor. That’s where the hatred is; get your facts straight. Stop defending radical-Islam and denying there is a radical-Islam problem. There will always will be people who are racist; that won’t change and they’re bigots for hating someones background.

    • 3 replies in a row, I clearly hit a nerve… I was talking about the religion that’s associated with Pakistan, and how it might upset you if people thought of you as a Muslim based on your heritage. I would find it hard to believe you’d not react strongly, based on your ranting over the past few days here.

      Any you actually dare question my beliefs, and suggest I support radical extremists based on the fact I refuse to tar 1.6 billion people with the same brush because on the actions of less than 10% of them?… are you really that stupid? Please tell me so I can stop conversing with you….. And you have the bals to call anyone else a bigot? Priceless

    • Yeah you did hit a nerve because you claim Islam represents being Pakistani? You purposely are trying to make this about so called “loyalty” and being “proud” of Islamic “heritage” whatever that means. It would not annoy me being asked if I was Muslim and most have never asked. But my name is Kevin not Mohammed; so most don’t get that impression to begin with. Because again people know there are moderate Muslims; but your 10% less figure is wrong. Most Muslims in the Middle East are radical. The majority of Muslims that immigrate to the West are not. But there is a large minority that are radical and this is a big problem. A person who makes distinctions is not promoting hate; that’s your assumption/opinion. Your more worried about sticking up for nut jobs than condemning them or condemning Islamic countries/terror. It really irritates me when Muslims play the race card; that’s bullshit. The more people deny there is a radical-Islam problem the worse it will get. The Middle East basis of laws is hatred not Western countries. All the other relgions have civilized except Islam.

    • Well, Kevin… with the likes of you leading the fight against the impending caliphate, I’m sure we can all sleep soundly.

  • Journal readers demanding Muslims go home because a small percentage of London based Muslims protest against the huge US military presence in and around the middle east.

    There’s a huge difference between wanting a foreign country’s military out of your country and wanting foreigners out of your country. All Irish people should leave the US because of the few protestors that hang around Shannon giving out about the yanks if that’s the case.

    Laughable

  • I am really sorry to see here that America’s War on Terror is working perfectly. Maybe it’s time we start a War on Error

  • The tv ha that’s laughable

  • Joe.im not asking you to believe in anything that’s your choice. As is my choice to believe

    • Paul 17/09/12 #

      You choose to believe it even though you say there are some bad teachings? What about all the contradictions? Do non Muslims get credit from Allah for their good deeds? Mohammed sometimes says yes and sometimes no, and there are many other contradictions in the Koran. If the Koran was really the truth from Allah’s mouth the story would always be consistent, what is true is always true unless circumstances change. Any all knowing god would know whether circumstances can change and would give the answer that is true for all time. The Koran is clearly the words of a human who changed his mind to suit the situation.

    • Will you give your children the same choice?

  • So much ignorance about Islam it’s just unreal.all the experts on the religion of Islam on this page please take the time to read about Islam before you make comments about something you know noting about.ignorance breeds hatred.
    When we all know enough to know we know noting then we are learning.

  • …Marc Anthony Powers… Looking forward to seeing your head on the palisade….

  • …hahahahaahaha….now here’s some rational thought…

  • @john byrne
    true.agree with you

  • The film is merely the tip of the iceberg . One of the straws breaking the camels back .

  • So what your saying is it has nothing to do with U S foreign policy .

  • ….Ahaahaa…. this entire site reads like a Monty Python Film script….love it …more ….more…. Ahahaha!!

  • please dont make cartoons or mock our prophet as we dont do to yours,is it really too much to ask?

    • That’s not too much to ask for, but you saying Muslims don’t do it is very false. It doesn’t make it on the news because other religions don’t go nuts. The video was trashy, but the man who created the video has every right to make it.

  • Someone says leave the muslims alone on here and gets 15 different people calling her names.The same commenter’s that call the muslims fanatics ya yere pro freedom alright that why yere on defending U.S foreign policy .. The mob eh only problem is they have a reason to go off not like the little Irish people hiding away on the western tip of Europe.They have more guts than us at least they will try and defend themselves Denise Friary is right yere all brainwashed.When U.S moves on Iran ye will all convince yereselve’s that the Iranians are best off been blown to smithereens.

    • It’ll be Israel that moves against Iran, not America.

    • BEST buds Gearoid but your right the Israeli’s are pushing if they go U.S will finish it.

    • In the interest of World Peace of course eh hem..

    • yeah but who runs the council on foreign relations & sets us foreign policy?

    • @jack Daniels . Your wasting your time mate I agree with u one hundred perc . I tried having a conversation with Kevin niazi last week no point . When I brought up the fact that the us created the mujahideen to fight the Russians and then fcuked off and left them , his response was I’m sick of people bringing up the past it’s over . What a mentality he doesn’t think that by sh1tting all over people for years there won’t be some blowback as the CIA like to call it . Or the fact that the only wmds Iraq ever had we’re supplied to them by the us . And Denise is spot on too . The whole place is brainwashed it’s classic Orwellian doublespeak we are being fed . Remember the speech Obama made last yr about Iraq . He said yes Iraq still has its problems but saddam is gone so it’s better . So even though more people die there everyday than used to its still better cos saddam is gone . So worse = better . War =peace . Worse = better . Doublespeak . I think some people here should watch 1984 they might learn something by comparing it to where we are now .

    • …hot dog …take it to em batman..Denise you are a human being ….you clearly have got beyond a diet of potatoes…hardly brain food is it…!?

  • Admittedly it is an over reaction to the film. But the film has merely been the spark. They are fed up with Americas crusade of globalisation and exploitation

    • Liam, come on the Americans are not exploiting Muslims in their own lands! Muslims are being exploited by themselves in their own lands.

    • @Liam Let me get this straight, you think America is exploiting the Middle Eastern countries? How, by buying the oil that they sell? Have you seen the price of oil recently. Oh if only America would exploit Ireland in that way, our troubles would be over lads.
      There is more wealth concentrated in the Middle East than any other part of the planet, it’s us in the West who are reliant on the oil they sell in the Middle East and that oil that has given several countries vast wealth. The problem is Sharia Law, just because there is great wealth doesn’t mean there’s freedom to enjoy it for everyone, while some are vastly wealthy others are extremly poor and there isn’t the same freedoms we enjoy in the West. While these folks are free to protest here about perceived insults to their religon, we would not have the same freedoms in their countries, in several of their countries Christians are being openly targeted and killed.

    • But they are selectively happy to do deals for dollars with the USA and collect American ‘foreign aid ‘ , or if thing are going totally tits up then call for intervention , or complain that America is standing by while some civil war massacre is being undertaken ,or call on them to put boots on the ground in Somalia , or help stop Rwanda genocide , there is often so much hypocracy from some of the regimes , they seem pretty selective in outlining their own foreign policy ..

  • @Barry, The Americans are the bullies of the world just like the British before them.

    • Disagree, Richard. Yes – they are not perfect & neither are we. But it is a helluva lot better than the alternative.

    • But the Americans and British allow freedom of speech and the right to protest. Can you imagine this protest in reverse, and in Afghanistan-Iran-Iraq-Pakistan etc? It’s easy vilify the west, particularly when we are free to do so, but perspective is important.

    • I too disagree Richard, how about the Chinese in Tibet, the Taliban bullying women and girls out of their jobs and schools and into a burqa, the soviets who bullied all of eastern Europe, the Khmer rouge who bullied a million Cambodians to their deaths, the nazis, the fascists, the list goes on and on but to some people it’s always the US and the west at fault.

    • @kenneth well they allow free speech selectively.iv seen plenty of videos & articles of people in britain & the us being arrested for free speech.they even have free speech zones where protestors are only allowed stand in.

    • Did you tell that to the customers in your pub?

    • Dublinlad, the customers in his pub are too busy looking at his girlfriends boobs. Remember? :)

    • @Graham- freedom of speech is protected. You are confusing inciting hatred, etc with free speech. Can you imagine the limitations that would exist in a Sharia society, or any Middle Eastern Muslim society for that matter? The tendency to vilify western powers is all fine and dandy, but let’s not forget the realities bestowed on us as free citizens. Many, and I don’t mean you personally Graham, conveniently highlight movements they feel are being oppressed and deprived freedom of expression, such as the Occupy movement(s), but they ignore the reality that these groups ONLY exist as a bi-product of real freedoms. Can you
      Imagine such movements in Iran, Afghanistan or Iraq? The state would crush them. And With extreme Prejudice.

    • Very well said, Kenneth.

    • Yes but they are our bullies

    • ….and the Dutch….and the Portuguese..the French…the Spanish….come on my man recheck your back of the cornflakes box knowledge…..

    • Yah, it was terrible the way they bullied the Nazis & Japanese.

  • I take all major news networks with a pinch of salt . Yes there is unrest and violence all over the middle east , I just wonder if it is a direct result of American foreign policy around the world . No cant be sure why would that piss people off. .

  • can u even post one link for a video or any article written about jesus or moses by a muslim guy? bet you cant!!
    if they had every right to make that video then muslims have every right to protest about it.freedom of expression as u call it.

    • Wasir I have no interest in providing any more links to people; when I do, there is no response or denial. There are 1.6 billion Muslims, you really don’t think any mock Jesus or Christianity? In the Koran they ridicule Christians and list them as enemies. They burn Bibles in the Middle East and execute Muslims who convert to Christianity; is that respect? Your right Muslims have a right to protest; most are not protesting, that is the problem. Do you have a problem with those who sleep around, gay rights, adultery, Muslims leaving Islam, and those who criticize/mock Islam being allowed to do so?

    • How about killing them, apart from the recent attacks and a willingness to burn flags, effigies, embassies etc. Protesting is fine, that IS a right, a freedom. Attacking people, violence is NOT and should be met with force. I’m an atheist but I imagine if the approximately 2.2 billion followers of Christianity protested in Muslim countries because of the deaths of their colleagues your governments wouldn’t afford them that freedom.

      http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/ChristianAttacks.htm

    • You do have the right to protest, peacefully.
      Placards calling for people to be beheaded sorta flies in the face of the “peaceful” part, in fact, it seems more vengeful.
      As does the murder of people who are in no way affiliated with the films makers.

      It was a piss poor movie, one that should never have seen the light of day. You can tell that it was some amateurs attempt to make a controversial movie to get famous quick, and the response around the world to it has done just that. Really that guy couldn’t have paid for a better marketing campaign. Now millions of people who wouldn’t have ever known it existed have seen it.

      You do have every right to protest, but this wasn’t the best laid of plans.. If anything all this has done is make many people outside of your faith view you in a negative light that may or may not be deserved, the response was disproportionate. No one denies your right to peaceful protest, or your right to practice your religion, or your right to be offended. But it may be worth bearing in mind that some people are offended by the way in which your protest took hold.
      Don’t worry though, I’m sure they won’t be calling for you to be beheaded.

  • Kevin can you please provide me with where u got them stats.not that I don’t believe u.thanks

  • It’s a matter of choice mick.i choice to believe in a better life than this hell we live in.

    • and will you meet the king there? or will you be all shook up and find you don’t have a wooden heart? funny that I was born on Jan 8th

    • we can’t go on with suspicious minds eddie, it only ends at heartbreak hotel, and then it’s only a short ride to the ghetto and oh how you mama will cry then

  • I agree with them poor people, they are fed up with the Americans telling them how to live their lives.

    • Unlike us, is it?

    • Barry 16/09/12 #

      Denise, the deaths and protests have been outside American embassy,

      This is nothing about America telling them what to do, it is more about a total overreaction to a film that doesn’t represent the thought, beliefs or government stance of the American people,

      It’s paramount to every irish person hating and protesting about the entire French government and country over a documentary made in a studio in France about Ireland, it’s just stupid…..

    • Barry,Thats the trouble with us Irish we dont protest enough. Barry we are brainwashed by the Americans they even have a military base at Shannon airport and the goverment keep that quiet.

    • Barry 16/09/12 #

      Denise, so don’t you agree the protests are a overreaction?

      Do you think it’s okay that people were killed over a documentary that didn’t represent the thoughts and beliefs of the people that were killed?

      Not even going to bother commenting on your nonsense response with conspiracy BS

    • “The Americans telling them how to live their lives”, exactly how do they do this? Americans constitutionally value free speech, it’s this that has upset muslims and it is they who are demanding Americans make it illegal to insult Muhammad or Allah, just as it is in Sharia Law. Some are even calling for the maker of this movie to be executed.
      Remember Denise a woman in a muslim country would not have the freedoms you have and could certainly not protest as freely as you would wish to.

    • Niall 16/09/12 #

      Denise, all the red thumbs are a sign that your comments are idiotic and badly informed. Seriously.

    • Ireland brainwashed by America? Last time I checked US foreign policy wasn’t very popular with the Irish or the rest of Europe; they don’t make a secret of that. What is the issue with letting the US stop in Shannon? Forget how many Irish-Americans we have in America and our ties? Forget how many US companies reside in Ireland and how many jobs they provide? Forget the perks the US gives to Ireland; US clearances at Dublin/Shannon (only country in the world to have that), business, dual citizenship (one doesn’t have to give up their pledge to Ireland. Only ROI and Israel have that priority), and not to mention proposed immigration bills that favor giving Irish citizenship (which aren’t given to other countries). If Radical-Muslims in the UK, US, Australia, and the rest of Europe aren’t ok with free-speech maybe they should leave. There is no justification for this violence that is happening around the world. Being poor doesn’t justify committing crimes; this argument was used for Germany when they put millions of Jews in ovens and chemically exterminated them.

    • We have a spoiled generation in this country, Kevin N. That damn Celtic Tiger destroyed this nation & what it is to be Irish. Denise F typifies this Celtic pup generation who seem to think anything USA = bad. Denise F is very welcome to leave Ireland & live as a woman in a Muslim country. Guarantee u she’d be back as quick as a flash. Easy to be a so-called “cool, hip & trendy leftie” sitting in suburbia surrounded with all the trapping a democratic western nation provide. In a Muslim country all the Denise F’s wouldn’t be allowed to live as here.

    • Very true, Declan. My Irish mother stayed in Pakistan for three months; she was extremely happy to be back in Ireland. It’s hard to come by tolerance; when all the laws there promote intolerance. You only come by tolerance when you come across not religious/practicing Muslims or non-Muslims (who face persecution themselves). Did no one hear about the 11 year-old Pakistani Christian girl framed for burning the Koran by an Imam? If it hadn’t been found out she were framed, she would have been executed (a little girl). These laws are all common throughout Islamic/Arab states; it’s not generalizing, it’s hard fact. Not to mention Pakistani Christians homes were burned down during this and a number were killed. No one cares about us do they, selective outrage and hypocrisy as its best. The people who are the “victims” are the ones who are offended over a pathetic YOUTUBE video and are holding signs saying “behead those who insult Islam.”

    • Denise , I resent that ! I my self am first generation Scottish/Irish American with very strong ties to the motherland. I love my America as my home and I love Ireland for my CeItic heritage. It is people like you that are part of the problem. Rather than recognize a direct and straightforward hatred for western culture, you defend the very same people who’d have you and your countrymen annihilated. Bare in mind this is (Supposably) over some silly youtube video that no one paid any attention to anyway. In my opinion it was just an excuse to lash out. This sort of behavior (SHOULD NOT) be tolerated. This is not a peaceful religion (Obviously). It’s not just a handful of them, this is Thousands of them in all different countries. WAKE UP ! Learn to stand by your own people and not against them. America was found on the hard work and blood of English and Irish immigrants. SHAME ON YOU.

  • The muslim people are friendly and peacefull Why cant we in the so called west leave them alone.But I repeat we in Ireland are brainwashed by the Americans,

    • so peaceful that those attacks on embassy is minor accident , never killed people for having different opinion… yeah so peaceful 11-September…

    • Go live in a ‘Muslim Land’ where they practice Sharia Law. Tell me what you think and come back?. P.s if you don’t like these ‘Brainwashed’ lands, leave.

    • @Denise I assume you base this opinion from your experience of all the years you spent living in countries like Saudia Arabia etc?

    • Don’t forget Denise that in Islamic land women have no importance at all. Good luck.

    • No Denise, I am not brainwashed. Nor are most of the other posters here. We are capable of nuanced views, judging each situation on the basis of the evidence. You, on the other hand, appear to have a very black and white view of the world, where the US is responsible for all evils. You may well be brainwashed, therefore, by anti-American faux socialism.

    • Denise, as you are a woman I would like to ask you about female circumcision as performed in Muslim countries. Do you approve or disprove? If you were born in one of those countries it could have been you!

    • Denise is a troll. Please stop feeding it.

  • Everyone has a short term memory: Afghanistan Occupation,  Iraq Invasion, More than 2million Muslims slaughtered since 9/11 in the name of War on Terror, Abu Ghraib, Bagram Torture, Guantanamo Broken Promises, Aafia Suddiqui, Rendition, Urinating on dead bodies, Quran desecrating, Drone attacks wiping out whole family, Cosy relationship with Dictators, Falluja: Muslims are not culturally backwards for attacking U.S. embassies: Americans are culturally backwards for not understanding why.

    • @One Ummah. I codemn the insult to the prophet. You claim the West subverts Islam but the truth is that Islam subverts itself by the actions carried out in its name, the West does not need to take any action to assist it. But the real problem is that you are blinded by your own intolerance of the West. Though you live among us you refer to us in the derogatry as Kafirs, do not deny it. Your logic is that you twist everything around to blame the West for the problems in Islamic countries and the actions of your own corrupt rulers. I support your rights to make protests even loud ones. However, when the protests decend into uncontrolled mob violence, mayhem and murder, I ask where is the cry from the Islamic leadership? The silence is deafening. You would rather fuel the flames and by doing so you play into the hands of the foolish and intolerant morons who made the film you protest so much about.
      Do yourself a favour and protest about the real problems in Islamic countries deal with your corrupt politicians and leaders, the poverty, unemployment, nepotism, and abuse and maybe the West wont have to step in to clean up your own mess.

  • …An “Irish Atlas”….Ahahaaaha… there must be a joke in there somewhere

  • Islam permits inquiry, debate & discussion. What isn’t allowed is libel, slander or denigrating prophets, any prophets not just Muhammad (saw)

  • Hadith: 
    The Messenger of Allah (saw: said:
    “By him in whose hand is my soul, you will not have complete faith till I am dearer to you than your own self” [Bukhari]
    If challenging Freedom2Insult of MyProphetMohammed extreme, then I’m happy to be one as Rasulullah (saw) is OurProphetOurHonour

  • Well I care about Islam.thank god I have the choice what religion I follow.

  • If Britain says her red line is the publication of topless photos if her future queen, then why is the West baffled by the red line of the Muslim Ummah: the honour of the Messenger of Allah (swt)?
    There is a push by the West to subvert Islam, like playing down the insult saying for instance it’s just a silly film. But for all those who follow this line of thought let us not forget that Salman Rushdie was knighted by the Queen for ‘services to literature’ or was it ‘hate literature’? The cartoonist who denigrated our Prophet (saw) was rewarded by Angela Merkel on the dodgy ground of ‘Freedom of Expression’. Let’s get the broader picture of the agenda of the West here. Let’s not forget that this latest vilification of the Messenger Of Allah (swt) didn’t start with that filthy video.
    Has anyone heard about this Turkish film “Valley of the Wolves: Iraq”? This 2006 film was banned in America & Germany on grounds of anti-Americanism. So America can ban a film that didn’t show in the best of light but Hilary said she can’t do anything for this latest video because the 1st amendment protects ‘Freedom of Expressiom’ or is it ‘Freedom to Insult’? Hang on a sec: is it not the same Hilary that says burning of Quran by Terry Jones isn’t illegal in America?