nobody should be fired for their orientation

Would you care to elaborate on that statement Joey? The standard of teaching has dropped dramatically in the last 20 years or so! Now you got me wondering if this is down to homosexuality being legalised!!

@Mike Scott. Get a grip.

@Mike First of all, it was 19 years ago. Second of all, gay people were teaching in schools before it was legal to be gay. Gay people didn’t just suddenly come into existence in 1993. Do I have to spell it out for you or should I let your child’s perfectly addiquite homosexual teacher do that for you.

Right on Joey – that this discriminatory bypass for religious schools was ever allowed to exist in the first place is a complete outrage.

@Mike Scott Did you even read what you said before posting it? If you had you might realise how utterly retarded it makes you look. A sudden drop in teaching standards mysteriously comes as gay people as allowed freely roam the land. Really?

they dont need to know but it may come out (ie if the teacher enters into civil partnership, is seen out with their partner, just general staff room chats about the weekend) in which case the teachers job could be at risk

@abi – so if one of the “heterosexual” teachers was seen with a number of different partners over a w/e wud that put their job at risk? I get wat ur saying – I just think its bizarre that it’s even relevant!!! Once teachers are showing up sober and able for a full day of work that’s all that is relevant!!!

Well said Paul

transgender didn’t occur to me but you’re right

well said, the t isnt silent in lgbt

Fair point, Paul. I think what’s needed there is a law/ruling saying a person’s acquired gender has total legal equality to one with which someone was born.

As I said in a comment own below, the effect of FF’s law would be to remove the religious immunity from discrimination on any of the nine legal grounds (age, gender, marital status, family status, sexual orientation, religious belief, race, disability or status as a Traveller).

Once a person’s acquired gender is recognised as being their gender, without question or qualification, then they’d fall into the ‘gender’ category and they would also be immune from discrimination.

It’s an issue because at present schools have the right to discriminate against people based on their sexual orientation. Removing this right is a simple and right thing to do.

Thank you for that lecture Shelia.

That you know nothing of me, my family or my situation makes it even more didactic
(theres a nice teachers word for you !!)

Hey Dub
Homophobic is another word !

ha ha love that comment Brendan, fair play to ya brother

I don’t think they will, actually. Irish law defines nine areas under which people cannot be discriminated against (age, gender, marital status, family status, sexual orientation, religious belief, race, disability or status as a Traveller). These are defined in the same law that grants an exemption to institutions run by religious orders. If the FF bill is made law, this exemption will be removed and schools wouldn’t be allowed to discriminate on ANY of those nine grounds.

Yes but the technical nitty -gritty of it is that “religious belief” allows for equality of all faiths, but atheism, as the absence of any faith, could still be excluded. Just my reading of it. Constitution is the same.

This is about equality and you bring in strange connotations of Islamism- explain?

o_O

I know a certain mayor in Naas you’d get along with very very well.

Not sure I’d want my kids educated by gay teachers!

@Mike Scott: Why? How would that affect your child or your child’s education?

@Mike. Can you say for sure YOU weren’t educated by a gay teacher?

@Mike: I certainly would not recommend home teaching.

@DubInNaas I’m sure a gay teacher would teach Sex Education like every other teacher/subject. Teachers don’t have to give sex tips to teenagers based on personal experience.

How about teaching your kid the facts of life yourself, like any normal person. Then again, I’m sure the 24 yo gay guy would do a better job explaining them than your vile ideology ever could.

Fiachra (9 messages above)

Another proposal exists within the suite of changes that Ruari Quinn is proposing that would seek to remove religious involvement with (non-private) schools.
In Germany in a few short years after its introduction, there can be no religious symbols of any kind in a school, including a simple crucifix on the wall.
I am not particularly religious, but I do think we should think hard before going down that road, as once there its almost impossible to return

@Damien (2 messages above)

I can’t wait to live in your world, it sounds very fair – we can all have an opinion provided its the same as yours !

Is it not a little ironic that you imply I am intolerant, and you do it by resorting to intolerance

Religious symbolism goes completely against Islamism, which you cited- why? And also I 100% agree with secularism, if you want your child to learn a single religion- send them to Sunday school, or as the parent is obviously religious should be able to teach their children about it anyway.
It is a complete farce in primary education that children learn about first communion etc. but learn little to nothing about science. We want a educated society with practical skills and logical thinking, yet subjects like Physics and Chemistry get far too little teaching while Catholic Education gets FAR too much, religion as a subject (if taught as a subject) should be a teaching on religious ideology in general with a topic on each major religion.

DubInNaas
can you be sure your 13 yr old son is not gay ? You brought your son into the discussion . I know gay teachers and They all, without exception, are a credit to their profession. Time for you to catch up to the 21st century :)

@ Frank 2521

Hey Frank, I wouldn’t mind. I’m unemployed through no fault of my own, 30 years driving experience, full clean licence, and a Certificate in the “Advanced Driving School of motoring”. The retired garda sargent has his pension, I don’t.

can someone tell me why Shiela has been thumbed down?

@Leslie

Who knows? maybe they’re garda! or people that are bias. Probably thinks a woman shouldn’t be offered that kind of job. I wonder have the ’7′ people that gave me thumbs down have the ‘advanced driving test’ done?

I proudly have done the advanced driving course also Shiela. My first thoughts were that they thumbed you down because you are a woman.

He doesn’t have a Merc, he has a Skoda. Sorry to burst your bubble.

@Leslie,

Well done! I don’t think there are many that have done it actually. The tester I had on the day was a motorbike garda! I found the part where I had to do a ‘running commentary’ very testing. During it I happen to mention the surface on the road, what it was made of etc. Very impressed!

Pity the cowards that are giving ‘thumbs down’ down say why. I won’t lose sleep over it anyway Leslie!

@Diarmaid MacAongusta

That’s ok, I’m not bias. I drive a merc, but it would be an experience to drive a skoda! :)

Er, no. The teacher doesn’t have to tell their pupils anything, this deals with their employers.

Point out where it says that in the article please. Take your time….

you could have done with more time in school yourself Mike. It might have thought you to read properly. As in this article.

And Mike still gets to vote…..the mind boggles